@@remyjanus2385 Cause Jordan fans ruin basketball along with every good player in history not named Kobe. Except the most outrageous Jordan meat rider.
Mike has more championships, A better jumpshot, better handle, he's more clutch, more K!&&ER instinct, had a bigger impact on the game globally . 3 peated...took a year off. then 3 peated AGAIN! And while we're at it, Kobe is the closest to MJ in all those categories. Bron can chill at #3 in my opinion.
If it’s about having points then why haven’t we mentioned Kareem Abdul Jabbar as the goat??? Because it’s more than just points that help determine the goat
That just speaks on cultural impact. Not hard to figure out that’s what Nate was trying to say. Is cultural impact not a factor when talking about who’s The GOAT? It is…
@@bhill005 So if cultural impact is a major factor to where you use it like how Nate just used it then ok lets make another factor way more amplified....Influence. So if we using that brons influence on the league itself is second none. Only Steph is even mentioned to be as good or above bron in the influence league wise category. See how that work..
@@juspronto9386 Bron’s influence did what for the game? Steph’s influence did what for the game? You want to compare the so called “player empowerment” movement to create superteams that ruined integrity of the game and more 3 point attempts for inflated scoring that have caused certain aspects of the game to become lost over a legacy that has globalized the game of basketball? Wanna talk about how viewership numbers of the NBA have plummeted since Jordan’s time? And, you wanna talk about influence??? Let me guess, you’re done with the 90’s, too? Your priorities here are backwards, homeboy. It doesn’t work how you think it does
@@bhill005 sound absurd cultural impact has no effect on who THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER IS….what other sport do u use that argument for? Football? So Tom Brady had cultural impact???? Df outta here 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭🤦🏾♂️✌🏾…if that’s the case Deion Sanders the GOAT of NFL….
People with that argument of "Everybody wanna wear Jordan's and I never seen anyone wanna wear Lebrons, so therefore Jordan is the goat" is my favorite thing ever lmao. So I guess we can all agree that Penny Hardaway is a better all-time PG than Steph, right? 😁 ...I see a pair of Foamposites on someone's feet every other day, but have *never once* seen anyone rockin a pair of Curry Under Armours 🤷🏾♂️
Its funny how the Beasley constantly beating LeBron in 1 on 1 stories going around social media suddenly brings Beasley onto a podcast to repeat the Klutch talking points. How much they pay this man.
This lame said 40k points and longevity make Lebron the G.O.A.T. Lebron can't even beat the top 5 much less be apart of the group. Kobe destroyed Lebron EVERY match-up but somehow he's better because he's a stat hog and not an actual winner. I give Lebron 11 because he's not even a clutch performer. Curry is the best right now period.
I’m a Kobe guy and I know that’s not true. Matches between them Bron avg 28 and Kobe avg 24. Bron has the better record 16-6. You gotta do your research bro.
@sokrazytv did you not read? the Lakers won more games yes but in individual match-ups, Kobe school Lebron 100% of the time. The same way Zion made Lebron look like a rookie the other night before faking an injury, to throw the game to the Lakers. Watch the games not the highlights.
Micheal jordan took basketball to its pinnacle like muhammad ali in boxing the conditions to make a goat no longer exists. Yall have no idea what the greatest mean yall keep talking about 40,000 points but he has no scoring titles so its because he has been playing for 21 years. Jordan went to college and Left basketball in the middle of his prime came back and Dominated again If Lebron played the same amount of years as jordan where would his name be lol. Yall have to stop with these silly debates.
That’s a bad argument, LeBron playing for 21 years and achieving 40K points helps his argument for being the greatest. Jordan always had help from Scotty Pippen and a coach who went on to win 5 more rings. Jordan came in with no expectation and was pushed by the NBA because they hadn’t had a player like him since Bird and Magic. By the time LeBron came in the NBA was already a globally recognised as the highest level of competition in basketball which meant the league wasn’t so eager to push LeBron but LeBron exceeded expectations and some of you just can’t accept that he has done more than enough to be the GOAT
It's really not the championships that make people say Jordans the goat but it's actually the fashion and amazing fashion that he won those championships..you can have a player with 6 rings with no losses in the finals that win them silently with little influence publicly but puts up numbers and just as good as Jordan but will not get the same praise
@@OGSavage720 and been winning in 4 different decades lol you know it’s real hate when you call him QUEEN 🤣👍🏽 I’m so glad that shit ain’t in me #ThankGod #Solid
Problem with diehard LeBron fans, their only argument for him is his longevity. No one’s denying his greatness. We all know he’s great. But, all that is, is a lazy argument without context. There are too many other layers to peel away for it just to end at 40K points. Especially, as that was accomplished in an era where defense has been watered down entirely; practically nonexistent. Also, that 40K loses its value when Jordan still holds the highest career PPG average. Like I said, context. And, too many continue to overlook it. Seen LeBron’s whole career. If I could sit here and say that he’s The GOAT, trust me and believe me, I absolutely would. There’s still so much more that can be said for Jordan. LeBron’s in year 21 still playing catch up to everything Jordan primarily accomplished with 11 total seasons played as a Chicago Bull. When that’s the case, LeBron doesn’t deserve that title. If that couldn’t be matched or surpassed in respect to that point of his own career, the debate was already over then
@@sokrazytv I didn’t hear facts. I heard points made without context. You’re not putting 2 and 2 together, man. Rate of production speaks in far greater volume. Which, is why I mention the 11 year comparison. When Jordan has done things like attain the highest career PER, displayed the greatest 5 year peak, holds the greatest season score ever recorded, highest career +/-, highest VORP, has beaten more 50+ win teams, has had 3 times as many 60+ win seasons, and is also the ONLY player in the 30K point club to reach that mark in less than 1000 games played. And, the list goes on. More Finals MVPS, more scoring titles, more All-Defense Teams, DPOY. And, sometimes you even have to put those what-ifs into consideration. Like how would Jordan’s numbers look if he had 20 years to his name? The difference is, when Jordan left, he had nothing left to prove. LeBron’s still in after 21 seasons because he’s still trying to prove himself and really convince the masses that he is The GOAT. He’s not. There are simply too many holes in his resume. You’re a Kobe guy? I got mad love for Kobe, too. Would you put him over LeBron? Because the more I think about it, especially considering the rules and conditions he played in, I would. LeBron’s whole career has been on easy mode. Just look at how he got his 40K. Was that earned or given? I like LeBron, I really do. But, I’ve been watching this game for too long to be a prisoner of the moment. Jordan’s legacy is unmatched and will continue to stand the test of time
I get your point brother. You sound older than me to. I didn’t watch Jordan at his prime he was washed up in the early 2000’s. I had to watch old games of Jordan. I love Kobe but I can’t put him over Bron. The only people I can have a Goat conversation with is people who think Kareem the goat or Jordan. Those the only 3 players that should be discussed in that conversation. You picking Jordan we can have this discussion no doubt.
@@sokrazytv I respect that. Because it does sound like you’re willing to learn. All these guys going around talking about “We done with the 90’s.” Meanwhile, here I am as one of the older Millennials who actually grew up in the 90’s. So yes, I know what it’s like first hand seeing Jordan in his peak winning all of those championships as he did it live. I was tuned in for all 6. He just couldn’t be stopped. Can’t say the same about Bron, haha. Then, there are the differences of their respective cultural impacts. What LeBron is doing today is nowhere near the same as what Jordan was doing then. All I’m trying to say is there’s just too much to address among both resumes for it to end at just 40K or 6-0. Those are nothing but lazy arguments and too many get caught up in that way of thinking
Why can't they both just be great, why do we put so much energy into this issue. They are both great players irregardless of people's personal feelings.
96% of the dudes saying what beasley saying are friends, business partners, or opponents and teammates. Let’s be real and no disrespect but they trying to boost him up to boost themselves up. To have seen both of their careers from start to finish you have if you’re being real, you have to know that Michael Jordan was a better player than LeBron. LeBron is very physically gifted. He is a great player, but he didn’t do the spectacular everyday like Michael Jordan did consistently on a daily basis and win.
Yes Jordan got 6 rings ....but which team he beat we talk about thats a all time great team ?? Lebron lost to Golden State and San Antonio led by Tim Duncan (2 teams better then any team jordan beat in finals) ....
Peopel gotta stop that shoe part. Toddlers. Every age group wears jordsm even those who weren't even born when he retired. Those who aint see him olay not 1 minute..i dont wear noother ball player shoes accept pennies bo Jackson and barkleys and its nothifn to do with the player..bron my goat. Dame my fav player. Sneakers are trash so im not copping that simple. Jordans are dope culturally acceptsble and just dope sneakers 1 through 15.
Jordan had Pippen and Phil Jackson, stop it. Jordan came in with no expectation, you’re just mad that LeBron exceeded those expectations with rookie coaches
4:34 Nate tripping , he knows we have RU-vid and we can now see how Jordan went missing in the eastern conference and his team had to get him to the championship. Jordan quit on the game twice , Lebron has went to the finals 10 times , not because of his team it was because of him. There is no way any of the teams he helped get to the finals would have got there without him.
When Jordan left the NBA, he had nothing left to prove. You should be highlighting how he has 3-peated TWICE. LeBron made 10 trips to The Finals, yet for some reason could never 3-peat ONCE as he always had the most stacked team with everything handed to him. Don’t forget his losing record. A record that should be 7-3, not 4-6. Neither team on either side gets to The Finals without Jordan or LeBron. Jordan’s team grew as a unit, establishing themselves as a TRUE championship team. LeBron’s on the other hand crumbled without him when he decided to go elsewhere. All that says is he never truly made his teammates better. You praise a false king, haha
MJ is the goat I’ve been watching basketball since the age of 10 yrs old and I use the watch those game on tape delay cause at time there were no live game … MJ change the entire hemisphere of basketball 🏀 I remember hearing Magic Bird and the new kid on the block name MJ on the black top playground they were like the dude is literally flying through the AIR Mike is my Goat cause he never loss in the finals those are the game you to come at your perfection and these are the facts 🧾 LBJ has 6 losses and he play more years then MJ … put it like this LBJ he’s in his 21st yrs he should have 10 chips by now MJ played less years and still has more chips then him and never mind he never allowed a game 7 … cmon guys there is no argument LBJ is a great player but he’s only playing for stats now cause he knows he’s not going to win any more chips … at the end of the day it’s all about winning championships 🏆
@@Roadrunner0077 He’s the goat 🐐 cause the team and him never loss in the finals how many losses LeFlop has in the finals? Not 1 not 2 not 3 but 6 losses 👎🏾
@@westwilly6353 yeah he finally won when bird magic and pistons got old ...but MJ only played 6 years right where was at them other years at least LeBron made 11
I'll end this goat talk right now, 3 consecutive high-school chips , 3 consecutive collage chips , 6 nba titles, 6 mvps, goats win, if Kareem ain't the goat nobody is, put some respect on his name...lebron ain't close..... now how can you debate that? I'll wait.....
Nobody is knocking what Lebron did clearly yall knocking what Jordan did.. there only been 5 three peats in the history of the nba and Jordan has 2 of them
The commissioner is helping today’s soft ass players they had to include a playing that help the 9th & 10th seeds to getting in the mixed of the playoffs they saw the product was bad and they added an season tournament cause they know player were going to load management the season prior to that players didn’t need help from the nba to compete
Question: How much championships Jordan has? And tell me how much LeBron has. LeBron is good. But Jordan had the fire. Now if LeBron wins three more championships then yeah. But as it stands now. No!
Man imma report u for false time bs ..I’m not calling LbJ no Goat ..he had to hop on different teams to win and need hella allstar to win…on top of that he got 6 loss In the finals …so yall forgot bout Dallas 2011😂😂 or San Antonio 2014 🤔🤔
2014 was on his team. Wade was banged up and couldn’t do nothing you know Bron avg like 28 in that series right. 2011 is the only finals he stunk it up.
MICHAEL BEASLEY REPPIN’ that “LEFT HAND POWER”……Love His Game, He Deserves To Have Been In The League until he was Ready To Retire On His Own Terms….!!! It’s said said that 🐝’Z used to take it to LBJ in Practice 1V1’s….I’m sure Kang James downloaded some of 🐝’z Game….But nobody had that Herky Jerky Face’Up 2 Post’Up Lefthanded Game….I watched MJ & LBJ Ball…LBJ Is The Greatest-Best Complete Player Ever….MICHAEL JORDAN was An Offensive Assassin & A Great Defender…Kareem & Wilt are G.O.A.T.’s…. Now We Got WEMBY….Watch Out Now….He’s going to have A Video Game Cheat Code Career If Most High Blesses Him with a 15+ NBA Career…..Much Respect To You Mike 🐝’z, We Got love for You Too Nate, but keep Yo’A$H out them Damn Square ⭕️’s
Hoe did Nate attack him? I can’t say bron the goat in comparison to MJ after Dallas lost you telling be Jason terry locked the goat up? Anyone in finals ever hold MJ to 8 pts ?
@@Darealtwill let’s be serious if Jordan fucked up a “series” like bron did Nick wright would be all over it! Plus sometimes all you have is just one time to get it right
