You know how many people I have seen get there ass beat by smaller and or weaker people a shitload ask Mike Tyson's opponents if size matters they were all bigger than him.
@@shawnsmith2610 The same with Rocky Marciano...and he was undefeated throughout his professional boxing career and was world heavyweight champion. One of the best, according to many...he was very short for a heavyweight.
@@roybeckerman9253 height doesn’t equate to weight mike tysons big as fuck him and Sean o malley are the same height but mike tysons clearly way bigger bro
@@roybeckerman9253 he was very short but in today's world of heavyweights, he'd get obliterated. Marciano is so small that in today's weight class, he would be a crusier weight. He wouldn't be a light HEAVYWEIGHT. What is he? Like 5'9 185lbs and slow. Put him up against Lennox Lewis. 6'5-6'6 254lbs. Or fury 6'9 270lbs and fast. RUMMY'S corner did an interview with late great trainer Emmanuel Stewart and he said that Rocky was great, but his talent couldn't be enuff to make up for the massive physical advantages of today's boxers. Especially if that boxer was fast.
I am a BIG Bruce Lee fan. But, not because I think he was the greatest fighter in the world but because his beliefs about the marital arts were way ahead of his time. He is like Einstein in that his ideas are now commonly accepted as valid but in his day, "Studying multiple styles" was blasphemy!
Bruce Lee worship is one of the biggest impediments in understanding JKD as he intended it. The correct answer is, it depends on the situation, but yes Bruce Lee could definitely lose against him but nothing is guaranteed. Because all things are not actually being equal The Jack man fight is the reason why Bruce abandoned wing Chun
There is literally no bloody way Bruce wins that fight. He wouldn't have the power to stop him and would be overwhelmed quickly by the bigger stronger man.
@@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi In a padded ring, without shoes, we’re both fighters have a chance to study each other, and then face off, Bruce would have maybe a %10 chance of survival. In a sudden violent encounter in a parking lot, on asphalt, with boots, I give Bruce about 50/50 because the only real play Lee would have is constant low line attacks to the knees and groin, with evasive footwork, and maybe a lucky fingerjab to the eyes. He would have to fence with his feet, tap and run, there’s no other way for him to win
@@robertvondarth1730 MJW is way too skilled, your talking about the same techniques that MJW also knows. Its not like your talking about a boxer who never trained in self defense techniques.
I stayed in and trained. You got me started some months ago, and today all the lifting and push ups paid off lol. Carrying heavy things from basement to trash at work and this has never felt this easy before. Thanks coach!
I once fought Bruce Lee in the Kumite and he was no better than a white belt. He kept dropping his guard so I kept landing strikes on his face. I won by technical knockout after landing a Dim Mak on his K9 pressure point. I made it to the semi finals but lost to Frank Dux.
Did the 50 pushups. At the start of this year I stopped lying to myself about my level of fitness and weight, "I'm not out of shape or overweight, it wasn't that long ago that I could do 20+ pull ups, 53 push ups in a minute, 200 squats in a row etc.." That was 5 years ago, I've gained 40 pounds of fat during that time, can't even do 40 pushups without breaks anymore. Lost 25 lbs in 3 months, really suprised just how easy it has been.
Also I don't think Bruce Lee ever mastered a martial arts. MJW is in his 50s and has been training since 13. He's been at it longer than Bruce Lee was alive.
People keep embellishing Bruce Lee’s strength and making up stuff about it. The only real information we have about how strong Lee was consists of a copy of his old gym card where he recorded the numbers of his lifts. Lee’s biggest lift was a 90lb squat for 10 reps.
@@RamseyDewey again u have zero proof that dan inosanto would be some idiot who would lie for bruce. credible witnesses makes it true. otherwise u better not believe ANY history at all. and that would be insanely absurd if you did that. look at louis cyr, never even trained for the back press, but did 4300lbs which was the record until a canadian farmer who trained for like 10 years just to beat his record, and he did with 5300lbs. some people have natural freakish strength. u gotta realize that.
@@RamseyDewey that was when he started strength training in 1968, he later on incorporated obercoming isometrics with the ISO chain and became very strong, there is a pic of him one arm over head pressing a barbell with 95 lbs aprox
It's amazing how far people's biases will delude them into thinking someone can beat a guy 100 lbs heavier (lean) with technically more martial art credentials. I've probably spent hours trying to get through to them that weight classes exist. Thanks for covering this!
In Bruce's situation I don't care about his weight class ,it's his credentials...I'd put money on Diaz vs the Rock but then again we are talking about the proven Diaz brothers while Bruce actually has no credible evidence of pro fighting history
@Hoosayne Lol! Oh man, that takes me back. It's been a long time since I've visited the Goku vs. Superman page. After that universe shaking feat with Beerus, I felt I had nothing more to prove. Some DC fans conceded and I left. You might see me on some Geekdom101 manga spoiler/review comment threads sometimes, but I haven't had interest in much else DB community related. Have you been doing alright? Thanks for the shout out.
@@cedricbauman9537 Those bigger people were not nearly as experienced as Gracie on the ground. As I said before, it's about size *and* credentials/skill. Outside of a high school boxing match, Bruce Lee has no competition record. There's no evidence that he mastered any style. But Michael Jai White has 8 black belts and been in Karate tournaments. He has trained in martial arts like twice as long as Bruce Lee at this point. Then on top of that, he is literally twice his size. All of the evidence is clear. The only way Lee beats a man that size is if the guy is a talentless, walking tomato can with no more than 6 months of training. That's not what Michael Jai White is.
I wouldn't say the Wong Jackman fight meant Bruce Lee could fight. Wong was using Wing Chun and although I love WC, Wong probably just needed to be tackled by a teenager to lose
Still remember when a local prime-time news anchor actually asked CroCop in his prime in an interview if he could beat B. Lee :megafacepalm: OK, if movies are the only interaction with unarmed physical combat I can understand that, but people actually training something being so delusional is realy perplexing, and I have seen similar comments from some of them too ( "traditional" MA by default). With that much size difference I'm not sure I would not pick the athletic guy double the size even if he had very little MA training. And White probably had more and better than Lee just from being from a different era and exposed to much more things for much longer. Some conversation are not worth wasting time on.
There’s a the video of Ryan Garcia giving body punches to people and most of them can’t take it, as you’d expect. He’s a world champion boxer. Then Francis Ngannou a bigger stronger combat sports champion took the punches with ease.
He is bigger. Might be a fight in his favor. But MJW also claimed Shaolin is not real because Shaolin tempels got destroyed and therefore all Shaolin are not real.
@@maddinkn Its like the Ninja's. Or Greek Pankration. The ancient schools and techniques are lost. Any of the modern ones arent really connected to the ancient. The Shaolin Temple in China is a tourist spot.
Let's be clear about the two. In the 70s, Bruce was the man. From the 90s on up, Mr. White is the shit. Bruce devised "the art of fighting without fighting," i. e., JKD. MR. White studied many styles of martial arts and many black belts. If he's that good, he'd be like Guru Inosanto. I do remember some of Bruce's students talking about actually trying to shut the kid up. Some of those kids were over 225, 215, and so on. Bruce, cleaned the floor with them. Bruce belived point fighting was useless. He's right. Take all the rules out and find out who's the better fighter. My money is e Bruce. I'll tell you why. Did he not mention that JKD will always evolve? There's no set standard for it. JKD isn't the gospel truth. I stand corrected. The basis is Wing Chun Kung Fu. From there, anything else is whatever. My JKD is going to be different than urs. Mr. White's fighting style is different from Bruce's. So who's better? I'd say Bruce. Even if he got, beat, he'd want to learn bc he didn't want to get beat again. Absorb what is useful, discard what is not.
When I was a kid (a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ...) I believed Bruce Lee could have beaten anyone, anywhere, ever. I was a kid. Of course, eventually, you get past that kind of thinking, reality sinks in, at least to some degree, you realize there are perfectly legitimate reasons for weight classes. I'm still a Bruce Lee fan, though, he was still an inspiration to millions, still a positive influence in the world of martial arts, still the first international martial arts superstar , the first worldwide asian superstar, Bruce Lee still is what he is (you might say was, but he still stands head & shoulders above any other martial arts icons). None of that proves he was a world class fighter, obviously, but, so what? Who he could or couldn't beat up doesn't change anything meaningful about him or the mark he left on the world, it's kind of ridiculous to fuss over these silly, speculative questions ...
@@Mbq-sh6bj sorry for the inconvenience. My name is John the Baptiste. After I host secret mass and baptize babies I teach my friend Jesus Christ of Bethlehem Karate. Thank you for your time my friend.
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 Thanks for the reply Sensei John the Baptiste. During mass, do you still do that ceremonial wafer thing or something more dramatic like breaking boards & bricks while exclaiming "Be gone! Christ compels you!"
I know everyone is probably gonna bring up Micheal point Karate fights but he really hasn’t competed in other fights full contact or a street fight I still think he would beat a large amount of the population just because of his pure size abviously he can’t beat a high level combat sports practitioner but he can probably beat most people
@@leroyalflush5026 yes but like I said those are point karate tournaments I’m not saying his kicks aren’t powerful as they clearly are but we don’t know if he can apply them in a full contact fight
Well it’s kinda common sense let’s paint the picture a 130 something pound Asian dude is talking about Kung fu and styles mimicking bugs and the pros and cons of different arts and was saying this to boxers, wrestlers, karate and or judo guys and other martial artist do you not think someone tried to call him out and challenge him or at least “demonstrate” what he’s talking about, or when he became a superstar ppl didn’t have gunfighter syndrome and want to fight him? Bruce had to fight a lot and did
@@anthonyurso9366 that's some very fluffy speculation. So did Frank Dux. He fought all the time to prove himself. Amazing how I can just say that with not even a record of what happened. No witnesses, no names of the other fighter. Just "sure he did"
@@fullcontactdownhillgymnast2572 that’s not true has been plenty of witnesses they are just discredited because “close to Bruce”but you don’t obtain that kind of skill unless are fighting I mean just read his books and look at fight choreography how would he know so much and be a “fraud”
What you aren’t understanding is he was getting messed with by everyone the Asians messed with him because Bruce isn’t 100% Chinese and everyone else was messing with him because Asian he had to fight a lot
@@anthonyurso9366 Still just citing made up shit. This idea that there are rogue fighters going around challenging martial arts "masters" (no matter how small OR asian lol) is something straight out of an amateur screenplay written by an angsty teenager. It is complete nonsense. Have you heard the news about chinese martial arts masters being beaten up by random people? You know why that's newsworthy? Because it isn't something that happens outside of 90s action movies and comic books. If he has fought so many people, name 2. And tell me what makes you think these nameless henchmen were worthy combatants.
I appreciate this video, I feel like I'm on the wrong side with my opinion. which is basically to forget what you think you know and bet on what you know for a fact.
If you wanted MJW to be really ultra PC about it he could've said: "I believe that the difference in skill between him and me is not enough to compensate the difference in size". But that'd be policing speech to a level never seen before 2017.
if you transferred Bruce to being born in 1967 like Michael jai white instead of 1940, and having had an equivalent cultural phenom to himself having popularised and developed martial arts prior to his own interest. In that hypothetical situation, Bruce could beat Michael jai white in pretty much everyway except dunking basketballs or lifting weights. Bruce's special power was his mind. Innovative, philosophical and amongst the most charisma of any screen star to have ever existed. In terms of fighting, a Bruce born further into the future would probably be fighting something more like Dominick Cruz. And Cruz could wreck Jai White.
I have a question. I see that UFC fighters lack athleticism and Psychology of the needed level in my opinion. Some of them might even lack enough range of skills and techniques. They are too tiny as well. Why there is classes? What do you say? It would be perfect to make a video on this. In my opinion a pro fighter should be more than enough Olympic level athlete in many things at once ,Needs high altitude training + breathing techniques and exercises mastery, very good conditioning on everything, high flexibility and everything of that type like a gymnastic, pro at bodyweight exercises and weighted calisthenics ( maby some bounce of additional bone flexibility so it is harder to brake or dislocate or force a postion , more hardering or more focus/breathing/timeing/reaction) also with very strong psychology/mentality of no fear and mad unbreakable well of titanium and diamonds. Basically high status at the triangle of profomuse. What is your take? My channel Gate of Babylon the gate to everything ru-vid.com/show-UCEfLnHQMC7pusRgqDTlUJrQ By the way Bros Lee wins Lol
Would love to know what Ramsey does to recover from a heavy workout. Watching the video after a workout today (1st after a heavy cold) and feel like poop.
I'm not so sure about the size thing. I've seen a match With Don Wilson, were he knocked out an opponent, who was bigger. I think a lot of it has to do with how much force you can put behind your punch/kick,Where it lands,and how much damage it does.+How much stamina you have.
You beat me to it! I've been planning to do a video on MJW saying this on Rickey Smiley's show and then how DJ Vlad asks every single guest about it 7 years later.
Hi Ramsey you might be right about people worshipping bruce lee. How ever you do not know who would win that fight. just because someone is bigger does not mean they can beat the smaller guy. and just because someone is an acter does not mean they cannot fight. do not forget you guys are doing a sport. there are no sports in a street fight. also people are worshipping Brazilian jujitsu. so you see there are plenty of worshippers.
@@michaelperrins2848 Bruce was a pioneer he was doing mma striking and graplling . Most influencial marcial artist in the world . I think mr Wite would beat bruce lee being that bruce was a more complete fighter both in skill and in mindset. But White is so big strong and fast i think he would win (Fast for his size).
I remember reading an article about Bruce Lee being asked if he can beat Muhammad Ali. He said Ali would win and listed all the factors. Bruce Lee was honest about himself and made improvements. Too bad he died young. I'm curious what he would have done in JKD development if he lived longer. Haduuken!
I agree with Michael Jai white...still the biggest fan (lots of shirts of him)of Bruce lee and I’m sure a sparring session would be fun..but I think even he would admit (like he did with Muhammad Ali) that Jai White would win.
It's pretty unfair to expect so much from Bruce Lee considering the martial contributions he's already made considering the time in history, his smaller frame, and his legacy. Beating someone significantly larger with proper sparring skill is too much to ask of almost everyone. Proof that if your life revolves around being tougher or more lethal than the other people you don't like will make you miserable. I'm afraid that Anglosphere culture can exacerbate this, which definitely includes Asian American men. I do HEMA but I learnt to manage my expectations and goals so that it's fun and not stressful.
I prefer to remember him as the man who transformed mystic monastery culture into a small business they teach people how to open in universities. he was the Ronald Mcdonald of karate schools all of them. there would be no ATA and no McDojos if he hadn't helped so much to systematize the business of teaching martial arts.
Ramsey with a cap?! NO WAY! What an amazing sight, trillions of people have died and will die without seeing this. Nice cap, I like it, I like caps. You should wear it more on camera.
Ackshually... The very first time I saw Coach Dewey's face (courtesy of YT algorithm) years ago, he was wearing a cap, a flat cap to be precise, talking about when a black belt meant something "back in the daaaay" , and I think he donned it several times
NO! indoor caps on middle-aged men project baldness insecurity! Ramsay has already embraced his iconic, perfect dome and must continue to be a beacon of self-acceptance for the rest of us losing our hair!
@@luisvelazquez5420, I didn't say any of that. I was responding to the guy above that BL will get wrecked by MJW because size does matter. Both of them are great actors and a respectable martial artists. But MJW win in this fight. No disrespect to BL but a fact is a fact. People who sees that BL is unbeatable are the disrespectful ones. BL never wanted that. Read his books. As he gets older he became a more humble kinda person. BL's cultists are nothing more than a bunch of butt licking garbage.
@@luisvelazquez5420, It doesn't matter. I'm not talking about BL's past achievement. This video is about a fight between MJW and BL, and MJW clearly win this one.
I think any person who actually practiced for a while knows size matters a great deal. And yes of course so is skill, mindset and endurance. And they know no matter how good you are there is someone who is better than you. And yes that you are objectively better than some other people. Neither one these things makes you a better or worse human being
In Martial Arts size doesn't matter, it only matters in sport competition with rules, when there are no rules, size means nothing, if I poke out your eyeballs and you weigh 300 pounds and me 200 pounds? Too many people comparing true Martial Arts with Sport Competition, two different things altogether.
@@JENDALL714 so in your hypothetical situation where you're 100 lbs lighter and try an eye poke...what level of cognitive dissonance prevents you from making the inference that he can do that exact same thing to you, and much more effectively too, being 50% larger than you? The fact is, any "street" techniques go both ways. You can groin kick your opponent, sure, but can you execute it well enough to avoid getting clinched up and bitten in the neck? Or better yet for him, why can't he just grab your much lighter and weaker body, pick you up, and throw you head first onto the ground? Unless the guy you're fighting is both huge and clumsy af, you will get steamrolled with a size difference that big. Size always matters, dumbass, and it matters a LOT more on the street.
Bruce Lee actually taught me to "embrace my own potential", even though it was achieved in a significantly different way that anyone would think at the first glance... I used to be BL's die-hard fan in the older days. I even studied Wing Chun for a couple of years (I know, I know...). I realized later, in a humiliating way, that WC was not the most useful fighting tool, when I tried to spar with a guy that did boxing. We didn't spar during WC classes, because - Sensei's words - "you cannot spar in WC, as it is meant to actually hurt someone, therefore sparring is out of question" ("it's for DA STREETZ, hell yeah!"). Yet the funniest thing from these times was that Sensei was telling stories that he went here and there, got into a bar fight, kicked someone's ass... These events happened very often and always "right after we separated" so that none of the students could see it. What a strange coincidence(s)! So anyway, after this famous sparring with the guy that did boxing (not even a boxer), I thought to myself that perhaps it's time to grow up and as a result, I signed out of the "Cult of Bruce Lee" and never had any idols to worship ever since. I got bigger, got a job and got into urban exploration. And you know what? Even when visiting some old hotels, hospitals, bunkers, palaces, often at night and meeting homeless guys, drunks, there were no fights. Never. Ever. Yet real fights "happened" to my ex-Sensei all the time. In public, crowded places. Life can be full of surprises sometimes! Now I know this story sounds like it was made up by some sworn BL hater, even I find it hard to believe and try to deny it (as it is downright embarrasing to me), but that's actually how it was. Unfortunately... But hell, I'm much happier nowadays than back then anyway. And yet BL's movies are still fun!
@@strikingitrich7630 Larry Hartsell (RIP) was one of Bruce Lee's students and was a lot physically bigger than him. Check out an old youtube clip of an interview where Larry admits that Bruce beat him so easily when they sparred with each other. I saw a youtube clip where Ric Meyers did an interview with co-star Jim Kelly (RIP) from ETD, and Jim witnessed Bruce having friendly sparring matches with some of the cast members. Jim said that Bruce could spar with anyone at any size because he was that fast and that efficient. I think the Bruce Lee haters simply have an agenda, and won't admit to Bruce's greatness.
The only time size doesnt matter is if both opponents are relatively close. But you take someone 3 inches and 20 lbs heavier and it makes a huge differenc
The big man small man argument was solved thousands of years ago ,when a little Stone Age man faced a big Stone Age man .Said screw that and smacked the big guy on the head with a rock lol
Bruce Lee should be remembered for his philosophical contributions and shining the light on training methods that lack pressure are inferior. Otherwise, that scene in 'once upon a time in Hollywood' is hilarious.
@@echelon2k8 do you realize that Bruce has been parodied many times in film, video games and anime? Dragonball had a caricature of Bruce that gets beaten up by a child Goku in a fighting tournament, Fei Long and Marshall Law are both often portrayed as joke characters in the Tekken and Streetfighter games especially in their story cut scenes, once upon a time in Hong Kong cinema there were a slew of Bruceploitation films where kung fu movie directors would cast actors who bore a physical resemblance to Bruce Lee in order to capitalize off Bruce Lees fame, they would often market these films as authentic Bruce Lee films too, look up actors like Kim Tai Chung, Bruce Li, Bruce Lai, Dragon Lee, Bruce Le and gosh the list could go on, in fact... Game of Death was incomplete by the time of Bruce Lees death, they hired stuntmen like Kim Tai Chung, and the then unknown Yuen Biao and Yuen Wah to don stage make up and wigs to play Bruce in order to finish the film and they even still went on to make a sequel Game of Death 2 which featured a cardboard cut out of Bruce and clips from Way of the Dragon in the film to give the illusion that Bruce acted in the film, Donnie Yen and Sammo hung both also made films where they play caricatures inspired by Bruce called Enter the Fat Dragon... So you wanna talk about disrespectful, the very same people that praise him today also disrespectfully profited off his name and have portrayed him in a mocking manner before in the past, and mind you these were fellow Asian people, for all those that like to say, the reason Tarantino did that was because he's racist.
Even if MJW weighed 132 lbs he would still beat Bruce. Bruce Lee was an actor. next people with be asking if superman or batman could beat Mike Tyson. come on guys this is foolish.
Yes. After Bruce Lee created day and night, he went on to invent entertainment overall and martial arts movies in specific. Those were good days. Show some respect for Bruce Lee, everyone!
MJW would handle Bruce fairly easily. He is a highly accomplished martial artist and he is insanely fit. Size doesn't matter if only one person knows how to fight. If both know how to fight, than size 100% matters.
Agreed. Bruce was a pioneer of modern martial arts, and for his time, he was definitely very profound and I’m sure he could handle his own in a fight, but MJW grew up in a different time period, with better training methods. He’s trained with professional fighters, he has trained in more efficient ways than what Bruce Lee had known or had access to 50 some years ago.
Yes, but there's still knowing how to fight and then knowing how to fight. Not all fighters are created equal. Also, don't forget that Bruce Lee was also a highly accomplished martial artist and insanely fit.
Can you do a video on teep vs side kick. In Sanda they use the sidekick like a jab whereas in thai boxing they use the teep like a jab. Pros and cons of each? Thanks dude!
What's your opinion on Savate? Considering its huge growth in popularity since 2010, I would like to hear your opinion on its applicability in actual fights.
do you have any opinion on "Indian clubs" for exercise? I live in North America and I have never met anybody who has trained with them. But they seem like a popular training tool in Southern India, parts of the middle east, parts of Japan, and maybe elsewhere. Do you think swinging clubs is a better or worse way to exercise than conventional weight training, for any given martial art? A useful tool to supplement weight training? any efficacy beyond just being an activity that makes you sweat?
I weighed about 135 through most of high school. So now I’m just imagining a 235lb man beating up a high school kid. I don’t care how skilled that kid is, that doesn’t look good.
Bruce can't do anything about his size but mustered everything for strength. Bruce Lee might get scared of muhammad ali but actually he has same punching power as muhammad ali.
Bruce Lee would have loved Michael Jai White, because of his blazing speed for His size. Michael honestly expressed his opinion. Bruce Lee was a trailblazer, that’s why he’s a legend.
Bruce Lee is the greatest martial artist. No one is saying that he's not but he's not beating Michael Jai White, he's very fast especially considering his size, he's most likely more powerful (because science) and he's very well experienced in martial arts and fighting. Bruce Lee will forever be the greatest but he's still a human being who can be beaten.
Only because Bruce Lee is dead. Bruce himself studied different Martial Arts and trained with friends that boxed, trained Karate, Judo and Jujitsu, and Filipino Arts. Bruce would be 81 if he was still alive. Not weighing in on the who could beat who debate, though.
@@RicoMnc those people that fought weren't that far off from each other's weight anyway, if someone as small as Bruce would have entered he would have been koed
@@guts7958 That is most likely, but sometimes there are exceptional fighters who overcome great odds. Watch the documentary "Choke", it is here on YT, a guy about Bruce's size makes it to the finals against Rickson Gracie after very courageous, if not insane efforts to defeat much larger opponents. He was a Japanese judoka with Japanese pro-wrestling experience. After losing to Rickson he trained BJJ and many years later earns his black belt despite having lost sight in one of his eyes due to participating in that fight tournament. Never fought professionally again tho', I think.
I haven't seen all of the video yet, so you may cover these points, however, there are some points that need to be addressed: 1. I don't have an issue that he thinks he can beat up Bruce Lee. It's an opinion at the end of the day. 2. People say Bruce Lee never fought anyone need to use that same argument against MJW. 3. MJW was publicly insulted and challenged by Platinum Mike Perry and he didn't step up - he can't be all that confident in his abilities. Perry fights at 170lbs - 60lbs less than MJW 4. People say MJW trains with the World's best fighters - Bruce Lee did as well. Size is obviously a factor, so the question becomes is MJW's size greater than Bruce Lee's skill? It could be, but that's what makes this a fun discussion. Interestingly, almost everyone is picking Floyd Mayweather to beat Logan Paul. Logan Paul weighs around 215lbs + and cuts to 190, whereas Floyd fights at his natural weight of 150lbs. Not many people have an issue with that prediction. Many people would also pick Floyd to beat 50 cent, who is well over 200 lbs. So, it's not out of the ordinary for a smaller guy to beat a bigger guy it's just that their skill level needs to be extreme. It just so happens that Bruce Lee does have an extreme skill level as evidenced by fighters like Chuck Norris.
You know you are leaving out some pretty significant points about Mike Perry challenging MJW ... like maybe include the fact that at the time Mike Perry was 28 years old in the prime of his life MMA fighter and MJW was a 52 year old man. Kind of unfair to basically call him a coward for not accepting a challenge from a man 20 years younger than him don't you think? I think I more shows the cowardice of Mike Perry for challenging a man 20 years his senior. Just saying.
@@dahamet5003 You're also missing the part that MJW said he could beat not only a Mike Perry, but also a bunch of other MMA fighters, even at his age. He even thinks he could've beaten Randy Couture. The point is, Mike Perry called him on his BS, and MJW went missing.
@@robiulahmed MJW actually just said if they met in person it would be interesting. After Perry called him the N word. Another point to be made is that every person who fights should believe thet can win otherwise what's the point.
@Snap your fingers snap your neck had he not died is moot, as he did. You cant compare reality with speculation. Bruce Lee was ahead of his time because he learned from many masters and styles and was developing his own style based on what he felt worked. But he lacked what we have now, there wasn't even kickboxing in the US then, let alone MMA or any full contact sport MA. The full contact sports are the anvil where efficacy has been forged. The Bruce Lee of 1972 wouldn't beat a modern UFC lightweight...but that modern fighter has the benefit of learning from people that took the seed of Bruce Lee's philosophy and grew it into what we have today. He was a pioneer. But he was no where near where we collectively are now. Had he lived, who knows?
You're a child fighting a child, sums up the useless bully fights in schools. It's really not a final boss or a beat em up videogame. It's just kids letting out steam because of school stress, home stress and personal problems. As for Jai White winning, he has the build and technique to beat anyone as long as it's a fair fight and nothing dirty. Also I'm doing 50 push ups now after this comment.
Would Michael jai white beat Bruce lee. Who knows. When two people are fighting you have to look at the advantages. (Fighting experience, strength, speed, fitness, size, aggression,) More then lightly the one with the most advantages wins. Even then it’s not guaranteed. I’ll say it’s more then lightly white would win but we’ll never know for sure. I think if anyone gets excommunicated from the church of JKD it’s probably the best thing ever. I’m pretty sure in the beginning of the Tao of jeet kune do Bruce states this isn’t another style but a way of thinking something to add to your martial arts. After his death it was clearly turned into something that it wasn’t meant to for money.
There were people getting angry at Chuck Norris for saying that Bruce can't compete with him in real life because of the fact that Chuck actually competed and won in real tournaments and the fact that Chuck is a much bigger man. The Bruce Lee fanbois are beyond help. This one time I ran into one of them and when I commented that Bruce Lee has no actual competition record, he looked like he was going to have a heart attack. There's the other extreme too where these well known RU-vid commentators were saying that even they could beat up a 125 lb Bruce Lee, or the awful representation of Bruce by Tarantino. Bruce was probably a super lean 140 when he was healthy and before he had the pain killer issues and couldn't eat properly. In his last movie, he was unable to eat properly and overworking so much that he was down to a frail 125 lbs when he had drug complications and died when they were afraid to call the hospital because he was at another woman's house. So yeah, probably anybody could beat a dying 125 lb Bruce Lee.
so drug complications caused the brain enema or something that killed him? And are you saying he was off on an affair while this happened? Maaan, if that’s true... damn. Add that on top of the total cynicism the martial arts community has developed toward him and Bruce seems just to be a big con of a man who also has shitty morals. Jesus, okay, like Bruce Lee worshippers are a problem, but I feel like people in the martial arts community have been influenced by backfire effect and now say everything about Bruce was shit as a reaction. And it’s not racist, but you can’t blame people for bringing race into it, because Bruce is like, the only reason Chinese culture has any semblance of tolerance or respect in the West. Which is why there are sensitive feelings around his reputation.
I agree with you. MJW would have a good chance of beating Lee, but let me add this. Lee himself named two karate fighters that he said would have a good chance against him, and he didn't ever want to test that - Jim Harrison and Mike Stone. I believe. I can think of another, Gene Labell would rag-doll him. I was fortunate to learn several of Lee's techniques through Joe Lewis, so I understand that there is no magic there. Just genetic awesome speed and explosive power, along with a great work ethic.
Docinaplane * * * * *Your reply is interesting to say the least * I never heard this story about Harrison and Stone. Lee was also a very smart guy and knew how to be humble. For me that's important. In the 1970's I remember they interviewed Bruce Lee, and asked him how he thought he would do in the Boxing Ring with the then Light Weight Boxing World Champion ROBERTO DURAN ! (Same Weight as Lee) Bruce answered with humility and great respect for Duran . I sure can't make a quote as it was near 50 years ago that I seen this interview... Lee said something like this " Duran is training to fight champion level boxers and I (Lee) am making movies ! Hope all is well and good for You Your Pal Paul
@@PunchProfessor Thank you, Paul!! Love the Lee quote! I imagine Lee was very keen on being a movie star and worked hard at that, but as you say, was humble and respectful as a martial artist. Peace, Jeff PS: From Jim Harrison's obit: "Bruce Lee was once quoted as saying: “I fear no man, but Jim Harrison and Mike Stone are the last two men that I would wish to meet in an alley fight. Jim Harrison’s fighting style is not flamboyant or spectacular, it’s just simple and deadly! He’s one of the most dangerous men in the world.”
I have actually seen Bruce Lee fight. He knock out a 120kg man with a single one inch punch and threw him several meters into the air. If you dont believe me you are just a narrow minded hater.
@BigJohn Hansome yeah man, I saw the whole thing :d back then I was In China working for the mafia, but I had to run , because the soviets wanted me for the keys for the nuclear missles that I stole.
@@Dark89Avenger nah I feel like you're lying.....obviously you're just watering it down, you probably did way more than that, I'm sure there were ninjas involved too, come on tell us the whole story.
MJW can literally break a bags chain from a hoping sidekick and kick burst a bag with a roundhouse kick (that’s not joke btw the last one, leather bag burst one kick no joke)
@@w8ngr Exactly.People seem to omit the size thing when it comes to Bruce Lee.Being that I'm a michael jai white fan, it's easy to say I'm biased in this case.🤷🏿♂️
No one saw any of Bruce Lee's fights because he was moving so fast. Bruce Lee could turn off the light and be in bed before it got dark! Before Michael Jai White goes to sleep, he checks under the bed for Bruce Lee!
There is a reason Boxing, wrestling, powerlifting, and MMA have weight classes. Assuming both fighters are trained, the one that has 100+ lb advantage is going to win.
Generally speaking at least, just ignore the Bob Sapp videos from Japan. Though I guess we can debate on whether Bob was ever a skilled fighter, to begin with.
@@shinjig he really wasn't a good fighter at all, he was decent, but even though he trained in martial arts, he only used his strength to win, hardly ever to no skill or technique
he could have just said Bruce was no match for a Grizzly Bear with a machine gun rather than himself. But if he needs to give himself a big pat on the back, let's see him try that shit with a REAL martial artist like Frank Dux or Sensei Seagal.
Kyokushin is a great style but it doesn't just magically make everyone who trains in it unbeatable. I've seen kyokushin guys get knocked out by taekwondo fighters.
@@jackslater5886 sure but wouldn't that apply to Bruce Lee as well? Most of his street fights were school yard brawls rather than martial arts travel matches.
@@wanabisufi8843 it sure does, Bruce and Michael are in the same category as far as I'm concerned. Both incredibly skilled and probably dangerous guys but neither with an official fight record so all just speculation at the end of the day.
You are just in the middle level my young padawan. The entry level goes as 'can my friend/relative beat your friend/relative' and the final level, or master degree in bullshiterology is 'can fictional super hero defeat another fictional super hero'. Also, once choosing a side you cannot switch it or else you will be killed for your sin !
Funny thing: I did a project for my speech and commune class and I made a very similar joke about the little Cult of Bruce Lee cancelling people who slander his name, because I was there to dispell with the crap, and the fact of the matter is that Bruce Lee cant take on 10 people at once, that was a movie.
@@TaoistSwordsman Right? Like It gets quite old, people saying Bruce Lee is like this unbeatable whatever, but in reality, from the Tao Of Jeet Kun Do, because yes I did read it and Bruce Lee's Fighting Method, its not about who is the best, its about what Can you do to perfect the skills you have. Like come on people.
@@charrleschervanik3632 Well said, though this basic notion and logic of yours would very much upset the cult of personality of a certain weak-bodied standard person-actor (whom in his life particularly appreciated pumping his ego with glorifying set-up movies about his imaginary combat prowess).
@@charrleschervanik3632 Hey, its actually not a style. Thought you read the book? Its a scientific and philosophical approach to fighting. The book has more to do with breaking personal barriers than anything else.
I think people the world over just need to stop equating fighting ability with “who would win in an actual fight”. Size, strength, etc. are not the same thing as ability. But they most CERTAINLY MATTER in a REAL FIGHT…
@@joshuabean9409 it’s so bizarre how people like that think and Bruce (Rest his soul) would have disagreed with them completely yet they still whine on and on
stop Asian hate ramsey!!!!! jk mjw would win pretty easily size matters a lot especially in grappling and especially if the skill gap ain't that wide and mjw already competed in real fights way more than Bruce... respect to both.
I think it wouldve been cool to hear Bruce's opinion about combat sports. I imagine, from what ive read about him, that he would probably appreciate those athletes for getting out there and putting their skills to the test.
"You got out there and trained, right?" *curls his dumbbell in approval in front of the computer* I am my own gym (plus some assorted weights) :P Doing pull exercises as I write this.
My view as a JKD instructor: Bruce Lee was someone who was in fact ahead of his time in martial arts, in what regards training methods (sparring, focus mitts and heavy bag training, conditioning, nutrition). In the world of martial arts in the 60's and 70's almost nobody trained with a scientific approach. Also at a technical level, Bruce Lee brought different approach, combining boxing, light footwork and kicking, different from the more static Karate approach. Bruce Lee's approach would have a big influence in American Kickboxing. Also at a philosophical level, the idea that styles are limiting and you should be able to express yourself was also something new. Having said all that above, I don't think that BL was a super man that he would defeat Mike Tyson like some fan boys say. Finally the latest stage of JKD is a great martial art, different from other striking arts and in a way it's still very effective martial art, even with all the evolution in martial arts in the past40 years.
Bruce Lee is like your friend that's a traditional martial artist that messes around with his mma friends, he knew some stuff but his style isn't that much better
I believe he had a superior sparring method also that was coming to age. It would of been what TKD should be with the use of lower kicks. Unfortunately. RIP
Do I think Michael could win? Absolutely, guy’s a pro and he’s experienced modern martial arts, Bruce was ahead of his time, but at a nearly 60 year disadvantage. However, who would I bet my money on? Bruce. No guarantees either way, but he was doing a primitive version of what people do now when he was active and he had some actually insane speed. Pack that into a guy who could punch in the same weight class as Ali, and you’ve got a lethal fighter.
I love Bruce lees movies but I don't like the claims given to him. He didn't invest mma. he was a chunner n he came to America, and learned how to punch from Ali, learned to kick from Chuck Norris and was learning from gene label. that being said, ,any other nations and known fighters and military practice punching and wrestling. the truth is although rude broke away for mcdojo arts, he is the posterchild for mcdojo mentality
