Jordan's mere existence overshadowed the NBA and people like Pippen and young fans are jealous and go out of their way to belittle his greatness to even the playing field. Saved you 17 minutes but a lot of folks realistically weren't even watching past 2 minutes and want to burn me at the stake. More annoying fanbases like the swifties and barbs have tried and failed. I'm going to make a video bashing Lebron AND Jordan fans on some joker timing now. It's not about baskestball.....it's about sending a message....
It was a good video my friend, and well stated. It’s the reason why I hope you become more successful. Build slowly and with care and consideration. I spoke on a post of mine that Jordan’s mythos is prominent due to the fact he relied on others to tell his stories. Modern media and NIL has turned athletes into leaky garbage trucks.
I do not think MJ is the GOAT, LeBron is in my opinion. Without MJ, the NBA would not be the global brand it is today. However, his playstyle has done more harm than good. This is not me disrespecting Jordan, this is me telling the truth. MJ's playstyle worked back then because of the coaching, the team around him, and the front office. Also the fact that championships are seen as "individual accolades" rather than "team accomplishments" makes me sick. This whole "ring culture" needs to stop. Jordan may have won more rings than LeBron, but he never had to face the Popovich Spurs or the super team Warriors like LeBron did. I am not saying LeBron did not have help or MJ had an easy road, I am saying that MJ was it a better position because of his supporting cast and competition at the time.
The funny thing is I'm willing to concede that a lot of things now are way way way way way better than I was a kid. I still watch a reasonable amount of NBA today, and for some unexplicable reason, it doesn't hit like watching MJ. Oddly enough I feel like peak Curry was the closest to capturing that feeling when he was hitting circus shot 3's in the mid 2010's. Still, it's not to poo poo on the new players, they're great. Something is missing and I'm not entirely sure how to articulate the void I feel when I watch basketball now that MJ is gone.
I wouldn’t say it’s Jordan - it’s the NBA being determined to artificially re-create MJ rather than move on to the next thing. That goes hand in hand with LeBron’s narcissism - thinking he is entitled to be “the goat”. MJ wasn’t entitled.
Agreed. Sounds crazy but this is why the nfl keeps some people watching. The nfl moves on they don’t constantly reminds us of Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, Michael Vick, Randy Moss etc. today is Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow. 10 years from now the next great players. It’s like the NBA is still stuck in the. 90s chasing the next Jordan as opposed to building the current generation of what you have
@@zeekjones2492 the NBA used to do this. We honored Kobe and Shaq - we enjoyed AI. We still revered MJ - that didn’t make Kobe’s titles not worth as much etc. This started with LeBron’s entitlement to be “the goat”. It’s been a straight decline since they went from honoring their history and being about competition - to being about entitlement and minimizing competition and winning. There will never be another MJ. That does not mean there can’t be something else great. LeBron tried to be a cheap knockoff then take credit for being the real thing - people know he isn’t and he has pulled the entire league down with him lowering the standards. NFL teams don’t get trapped with guys like Bum Simmons or DeAndre Ayton - who truly are just stealing money and not caring at all. Those guys never make it to the NFL - and if you are entitled on the NFL you are out of the sport. The NBA used to build stars in college like the NFL does - now they try to microwave stars instead of using the oven. Caitlin Clark used the oven - they let her bake in college for 4 years - people knew who she was - now she is dragging the WNBA into relevance as they kick and scream in resistance as many of those women clearly are not as good as they thought they were and want to be an insular charity or mean girls club. The NFL is always about winning. No one acts above competing or uses the league to make a fake documentary like LeBron just did to team USA. LeBron has cheated the game of basketball and is leaving it in a far worse place than he found it. MJ left and Kobe and Shaq came in. LeBron won’t allow other stars any shine and has minimized winning to where the league is a clown show.
also bron copying mjs number, movie, and openly admitting to "chasing" his legacy doesnt rly help with that either. neither does his general egotistical antics, and dont even get me started on the "chosen one" tattoo he got before he was drafted. le-ego
@@LouSephThis is the definition of YAPPING. Are you serious? Maybe the NBA has struggled with marketability because they almost EXCLUSIVELY marketed Jordan (not even in a strictly basketball sense, but also as a celebrity, as an icon, etc.) which pulled in casuals who never really cared for the sport and the namosecond he retired, the ratings fell off a cliff. The NBA already had YOUNG STARS (Duncan, AI, Kobe, Garnett , VC, to name a few) and that did NOTHING because the most famous man in sports retired. The ratings did not fall in 06, 08, 13, they fell immediately.
@@LouSephThen you try to pretend as if college has any effect as if (checks notes): Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Garnett, TMAC, Dwight, Vince Carter, Chris Paul, KD, and more are not all of the most marketable players and practically all were one and done or straight out of high school
I would just like to point out that the same Lebron fans that criticize Jordan for losing with no help against a literal Celtics dynasty in the 80s make excuses and defend lebron for losing to the warriors dynasty multiple times in the 2010s. They also refuse to acknowledge how important Kyrie was to that 3-1 comeback in 2016. It’s almost like they forget that basketball is a team sport
@@LuvnAries23 I just can’t understand it like MJ is my goat but I’m not gonna act like he was some perfect human being who’s untouchable, he was flawed bc he’s human. We all are, but lebron stans are unable to grasp this concept, and do anything they can to prop up their glorious king who has no idea they exist. And the second u criticize anything abt LeBron they instantly jump down your throat and say ur a hater. It’s pathetic
@@0w3n_5 And we know MJ is flawed because he told us himself. He knew that he wasn't perfect. He didn't hide it because that's what made his career what it was. But that's the thing with LeBron. His career is centered around MJ. So he (along with help from the NBA) makes sure that he keeps a certain image. We know MJ had problems, so all LeBron flaws has to be covered up, that's why the media works overtime to make you think that what you saw didn't happen. His fans are brainwashed by this image, so they repeat what the media says. And if you say anything that goes against that, you're getting attacked.
Nobody with two braincells to rub together is blaming Jordan for losing to the Celtics but it's a response to people holding finals like 2007 vs the Spurs with Varejao, Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden, 2015 with Dellavadova, Shumpert, Jr Smith and Tristan Thompson, 2017 vs the Warriors dynasty, and 2018 vs the Warriors again with an even worse team. You can argue 2014, for sure 2011 and even 2007 if you wanted to but when you put the Warriors losses on him, then you get people disingenuously using that argument against Jordan. Also, I don't see people refusing to acknowledge Kyrie in 2016, anyone with eyes knows they lose without him outplaying Curry but I've seen people call him the finals MVP and that's objectively wrong. Basketball is a team sport but people let their biases distract them from it
God, Pip has got to be the most bitter ex-wife I’ve ever seen. He won 6 championships with Jordan, why is he so jealous? Jordan had nothing but praise for Pip throughout his entire career! It’s not like he was trashing on him all the time.
A. The whole uh....situation. and B. Michael Jordan is a bigger character in Scottie pippens own story than Scottie pippen himself is. That's a pretty tough pill to swallow. You can bear it while you're winning and people can see what you do as well. But as the decades pass and context and more Importantly his reputation go out the window. It creates this negative back feed of basically being reminded you were second fiddle. Whether deserved or not. That's got to be really really annoying after a while.
@alatreon7451 no but he's in in by association. If you felt some type of way about a guy going between the legs with your daughter that'd naturally extend to the father hell the whole family really. This some Hatfield Mccoys type s*** even if you not part of it you are.
@thekidfromcleveland3944 nah Jordan was never a bigger character in Pippen own story, fans/the nba community acknowledged Pippen regularly for his contribution to the teams success. Pippens problem even during that stretch when he entered the league to 93 was that he was apparently jealous of Jordan and wanted status and acclaim that he did not earn. Nobody should think more highly of themselves than what they actually are. Pippen lied to himself that he was more important to the teams success than he actually was, even Jordan didn't do that. If your thinking is corrupted like that no amount success and praise from others will make you happy.
The problem is that the players after him tried to emulate his game thinking he was just about high competitive spirit, dunks, air time, tongue wags, sneakers, one man takeover games, high shot volume, and all the glory. However, despite his high shot volume, his efficiency and offensive IQ within the triangle offense was off the charts and could not be duplicated by the players after him. His fundamentals were so strong and polished that players just glossed over them. Only Kobe really ever understood MJ's true game, but it took him a long time to figure that out, and how to be a leader within the triangle offense. MJ's mid-range-low post game and savy wisdom really carried those Bulls to that 98' title. Scottie Pippen was nearly useless throughout those playoffs with a hampered back. Rodman was full Rodzilla in 97' and 98', and not focused on the Bulls as much as he should have been. The guy was getting benched for Kukoc a lot. MJ did ruin the game in the early 2000s, but inadvertingly more so than intentionally. Players and most fans just did not understand that MJ wasn't just jacking up shots and being a ball hog in the 90s. He was often picking his spots wisely for a scoring onslaught. Guys like Kobe, T-Mac, AI, Vince, Arenas, Tatum, Westbrick, Harden, etc all often forced shots up too often thinking that is how MJ played.
Perfectly said. Too many get fooled thinking be like Mike was the way to win but didn't get how tough it is to replicate his game and what he did so team oriented perimeter players became a rarity.
You have some good point except all those guys but Kobe you mention didn’t play defense and didn’t really love the game like MJ with training/practice that is why Kobe and MJ could play that style and carry teams to titles elite defense and non game training and practice(AI we talking about practice??) Kobe and MJ put the work in that what was missing and also the illegal defense rule was custom made for MJ that would have been a literal cheat code for Kobe and some of those other scorers in 2000s
@@davis2k1234 Lmao Kobe got a paint defense where the bigs couldn't sit in the paint for more than 3 secs. Kobe's era was incredibly weak, and he was the clear 2nd fiddle behind Shaq's dominance. Especially in 2000. MJ had to go into the paint against Cs and PFs who could camp all day in there. Kobe didn't even possess a truly great dependable jumper until the mid 2000s. The guy often lost the grip on the ball as he pulled up. MJ never had the luxuries of Kobe Bryant for his first seven years. Save me your Kobe stan bs lol.
@@QuestionEverything562 Really you got to go extreme Kobe hate right away? I watched a video on Thibidue defensive game plan in the 2008 Finals w Celtics I’m not joking would have been a illegal defense call every single time Kobe touched the ball and your saying somehow illegal defense helped Kobe? That is pure delusional hate man Kobe is on record of how he would have destroyed with illegal defenses not a coincidence 2001 was the last year of illegal defense and a 22 year Kobe was unstoppable that season/playoffs
When MJ was winning championships every year he was NOT the selfish guy. In fact his average time per posession during his championships years was significantly lower than a lot of modern superstars. And the center position losing it's importance is a result of the rule changes, mainly the 3 seconds rule. Don't forget that the 90s were the best era for Bigman. Shaq, Hakeem, David Robinson, Patrik Ewing and etc
Jordan made you think winning NBA titles was easy. It's not. That's why choking in the finals makes you unworthy of goat conversation. Winning while giving everything or overcoming injuries doesn't count. Straight up choking.
None of this would be a problem if modern players were just actually better than Jordan. 😂😂😂😂 Media is a problem for trying to force the modern players to be better and force older fans to like the new rules. I'm 25 and I just do not like the modern NBA and how it's played. I'm not gonna blame Jordan's greatness for that like a fucking idiot
@@garfieldheathcliffe5535 Deny it all you want. Those of us who are not old-heads and have a common sense acknowledge the cult of MJ. MJ fandom literally call "blasphemy" when MJ gets the least bit of criticism. This is a cult
@@1vaultdweller I'm pushing back on the idea that Lillard saying something legitimizes it. I think the LeBron cult birthed the MJ cult. Both are foolish to me. You can't say anything about either guy without some fanboy getting their feelings hurt. Actually the idea of old heads vs young heads is wild. Most young heads I know are Jordan die hards. There's a ton of old heads that ride for the LeBron cult. They would never admit to Jordan's dominance over LeBron. Real hoop heads, old or young, can admit to the facts. The idea of "even if they were all better than MJ..." isn't fact, so Dame's point is, well, pointless. It could go both ways. Young cultists would never admit MJ is better than Bron.
The difference between Jordan and all of that modern players is that Jordan learned how to play in a system and adjust to his waning athleticism while a lot of modern players didn't. All of these new superstars are excited to play hero ball no matter what. I just can't agree with this. I was expecting the take that Jordan was ruining basketball because modern players are chasing his clout and not his work ethic.
All that hero ball shit started with MJ. Ppl from both the old and new generation don’t see it. Whether it’s a good or bad thing is all up to interpretation
MJ learned team ball under Dean Smith(the only man who can hold MJ under 20Pts was Dean smith) in college and was always a great off ball player wasnt hero ball was winning basketball
@@davis2k1234 stop it. He wasn’t a team player til the Bulls actually built around him and drafted players that complimented Jordan. Even then, multiple L’s (something yall cooked LeBron and Kobe about for years) from teams like the Pistons and Celtics humbled him and he became that team player, then they won championships. Playin hero ball was something he was doin a lot of in his young age
Jordan is the nexus point for the NBA. The zero point for the NBA in terms of how things are understood or evaluated . The previous nexus point was bird and magic for what made a great player. The NBA wants LeBron to be the new nexus point but the mythos (and achievements)of lebron don't add up in viewership or cultural relevance. Jordan is the standard
Unfortunately for Lebron and his media, It's Curry that is the next Nexus point. Unless you want to claim the nexus point is building super teams and collusion. That will be Lebron's legacy.
Exactly. They bet the house on the wrong pony and the paid-for media has been doing damage control for nearly a decade now. Not the best look and rather obvious to anyone paying attention.
@@Kings0424 i dont agree that jordan should be the standard as its not fair to bigmen or other players. like no player the size of curry or smaller has been expected or had the stats he was expected to have during his finals runs. the same can be said about giannis where most big men are not expected to be able to be a closer for the team. like thats never been the expectation for big men
@@zenith2930okay the same can be said about Jordan . A guard winning championships in a big men era , never done before , a shooting guard 6’6 having a team built around him . He changed the game forever . Took it globally , that’s why he’ll always be the standard . He was picked 3rd overall in 84 , with 2 big men chosen before him . Bcuz teams back than knew you needed big men to actually win championships.
Jordan is a Messiah figure, leaving all that follow inevitably coming up short compared to his storybook ascension, peak dominance, clutch,, aesthetic game, loyalty, and global impact.
I don't get why Scottie's bitter. Brother, you signed the contract. You chose to stay with MJ for most of your career knowing you'd be the second option. You're a Hall of Famer, you've made generational wealth dribbling a ball. Why turn on MJ two and a half decades later? Edit after finishing: I get what you're saying Commish, but I can only partially agree. MJ isn't responsible for ring culture and selfishness in basketball, the people who tried to emulate him instead of being their own players (looking at you, Kobe) are responsible for that. Yes, I agree, mindlessly praising MJ is annoying, but that isn't Jordan's fault, that's the fans' fault. That said, very good video an analysis, and it's sad that a lot of Jordan fans are just trying to attack you for some very valid points.
@@antoniotrivelloni8191 It's because people now know and they're talking about it. Just like Will and Jada on that episode of Red Table Talk. Lol He knew what Jada and August was doing, he just didn't want to discuss it in front of the world.
I'm 43. I stopped watchng NBA as much after Jordan retired. I'd watch some Kobe games here and there, but no other player had me as invested as Jordan had. He set the bar so high that the new generation really won't know what they missed.
Kids fought over the number 23 in the sports I played. Jordan was on virtually every weekend. He delivered more often than not, and that is why we still revere him to this day. We don’t see his qualities in the modern player, much less his tenacity. With NIL coming into the picture I don’t think we will ever see anything like him again. No one has that drive to be that great because the monetary goal is easier to attain than ever. Jordan’s biggest strength is he never said anything to anyone beyond a simple interview. We let others speak his lore, and that is why he is so cherished. Hearing some knucklehead on a third tier podcast talk about his gambling habits doesn’t have the same tone as the stories we hear about Jordan’s mythical benders, losing and winning fortunes just to blow off steam. Oral tradition speaks stronger than any in most cultures. If Lebron had just kept his damn mouth shut, we would be speaking this way about him as well.
People don't understand what the goat is, the goat is a moment in history. Not necessarily the most complete played, the reason Messi and Pelé are so head and shoulders above everyone else is That they were moments in history That will have tales told abolish them for generations, the goat is what a player means for a sport not how good or smart they are Lebron isn't nearly as mythical as Jordan and That matters a lot
Correct me if I'm wrong, I might be, but I think it was actually Bobby Knight, the NCAA coach for Indiana University, who said (paraphrased) "if you need a Center, then draft Michael and play him at Center."
Yea I find those rating numbers interesting. Game 7 of the 2016 finals where a 73 win team is trying to go B2B and the other team is trying to overcome a 3-1 deficit with Lebron, Kyrie, Kevin Love, Steph, Dray, Klay, Iggy and it could only get to #3 for eyeballs on the game? Then in 2017 add KD to that group of players and the same 2 teams facing off in the finals for the 3rd year in a row for the rubber match and it doesn't even crack the top 10?
@@roboninja3194 The 2016 one is a bit surprising. I thought it should be in number 1, least likely 2nd, but third? Also the 2017 is very understandable because it's the same team over and over again. I mean we all know whice team is going to win.
I actually agree with this. It really is unfair to compare everyone to Jordan. Kevin Garnett is my favorite player but he's not on Jordan's level. And now it's just gotten so personal on both sides that it's toxic. I actually blame Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe for this because yes, it was always a bit heated but those 2 are the first guys I heard come with "Kobe was trash and Michael is trash" takes and people who are leBron fans heard this and being unable to form an original thought jumped on it and now it's gang warfare
Man's gotta work on himself. Gotta respect yourself or you'll go after trash. And tbh even a young lustful me sees doja as trashy. Her best was in the cow outfit. She's been going down hill ever since. She looks worse than the presidents do after a 8 year term. She got a full body and nice complexion. Otherwise very unimpressive and overall gross.
I think that Curry will be the ones that the young generation will look up even more just like Jordan did before which is ironic to begin with. The cycle of basketball life just continues on.
People forget Michael Jordan already addressed this topic back in '08 with his "Maybe it's my fault" commercial. To quote him, "Maybe I destroyed the game...Or maybe, you are just making excuses." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PH8nTfxwByY.html
I understand what you are saying, but one thing I don’t understand that is constantly repeated is this idea of “ring culture”. There simply is no such thing- the whole point of playing a sport is that inning or coming in first . That’s why you sign up to play. It’s not a culture
This is honestly one of the most refreshing videos I've watched in a while with a lot of points I've never considered before. Good work on this, screw those who didn't watch it
Thank you Jeremy. I know how people feel about subjects like this and many are stuck in their ways but managing to get some people thinking is cool. MJ is the player that made me an NBA fan and I like many know that not only is he the GOAT but the NBA was taken to heights never before seen thanks to him and especially the Dream Team.
If you stop watching basketball because a certain individual got retired, then you aint a basketballl fan. You may be this individuals fan sure, but definetely you dont have love for the game This is why MJ has the most casual fanbase in NBA history. His fans dont even know NBA before him or after
Playstyle-wise, I respectfully disagree. I don't think you should blame it all on Jordan. Dr. J created a generation of slasher, dunker, that includes Jordan. Jordan created the next generation includes Kobe. Kobe created Booker and others. And like other in comment said, Wilt played hero ball almost his whole career. 80s is more about teamwork, yet Bird often take things on his own hand. So, did Jordan raised every ballhog on the world? Hell no, they were always here However, I do agree that Michael Jordan raised the hurdle too high that it is harder for those who have watch MJ to enjoy "average greatness". And some fans are just toxic.
Funny how so many comments say "here comes the jordan fans..." "Who doesnt say only good thjngs about jordan is a hater right?"... and things like that...like, people can say anything about jordan, but of course if people say "well I dont agree..." Its because they are glazers...who says that, its as wrong as someone who only admits to hear good things about MJ, is going from one extreme to the other...
Jordan is the man...no matter how hard the fake news espn and ledong's clutch sports or all the independents with podcasts etc say...Jordan was levels above anyone...he absolutely demanded to guard the best players when it mattered in the post season, he didnt need to assist bc he was awesome but definitely did when it made sense, and he rebounded decently, i mean the hate is 1000% unsubstantiated 😂😂😂
Interesting point of view. Thanks! Just wanted to add one thing. As we know, Jordan made basketball global. However, many people do not fully understand how outstanding this achievement is. There are only two team sports, which could qualify as global: football (soccer) and basketball. Of course, there are other team sports, but from the global perspective, they are popular just "here and there" (my prediction is that eventually rugby would become third global team sport). To give you idea how pathetic was basketball before Jordan, let me recall transfer of old Pele to New York Cosmos in 1970s. Pele was 34 years old and did not play competitive game for 8 months (at that time 34 old footballer would be equivalent of todays 40). And he was paid salary around 2.8 mln USD, when prime Abdul-Jabbar had just 450K :D And that happened in the country, were soccer was not even very popular.... In short, Jordan not only made basketball much more popular, he literally changed hierarchy of sports in the world...
Interesting analysis! Jordan was such a superstar transcending his sport into N American pop culture and into all the other continents, who knew little about basketball, so that even people like me who were not particularly interested in the NBA, were in awe. I'm trying to think of any other athlete, who had the same supernova star power. Serena Williams? Messi? C Ronaldo? Brazilian Ronaldo? Even if the rest of the world knows who these footballers are, probably the majority of North Americans don't know and don't care - and that's why they don't compare to Jordan. I'd love an analysis of the impact of the Air Jordan brand! Surprised you did not mention the growth in population between the late '90s and 2016. There were a lot more available viewers in 2016 who decided not to watch NBA playoffs. 1995 US population size = 266.6 million 2000 US population size = 282.2 million 2016 US population size = 323.1 million Thanks for the video!
Probably because He is a Detroit Pistons Fan,Which is understandable. Because I know that The Pistons and The Bulls are never like each other during 1988 to 1991. One of the best rivalry of all time. But Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, it was Scottie Pippen who playing like garbage in game 7 when he has 2 points on 1-10 shooting.
Also,Scottie Pippen got carried by Michael Jordan during the three Championship in 1991 to 1993 and 1996 to 1998. Michael Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals and he is not allowing any teams in game 7 in the NBA Finals.
@@Assante-wb6zqfax and lebron fans try to act like Jordan’s teammates carried him yet say every player was trash in the 90s. The hypocrisy and contradicting is insane. And then they defend lebron on joining the heat back in 2010 and make up all these bullshit excuses. Also Lebron couldn’t even go back to back with a super team. Lebron fans only listen to facts when they have a possibility to prop up their glorious king that they idolize
Also Commissioner Dynamo, I feel your pain for what you been going though as a Pistons Fan. The Pistons is a Badass and Tough Metor City. I love the badass Pistons when they win back to back titles led by Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars,John Sally, Dennis Robman, and Bill Laimbeer. To 2004 When the Pistons beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers led by Finals MVP Chauncey Billups, RIP Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Ben Wallace, and Rasheed Wallace. These are the good old times.
There is not an athlete that is remotly compared to Jordan for me, what he did for the league is something that no one can do and yes there are your Ronaldos or Messi but they are that famous because fotball is just more popular than basketball, but dont have near even half the amount of weight that Jordan has for basketball. If Jordan played fotball instead of basketball he would probably be the biggest superstar ever. He is so far above anyone else that there is no discusion. I wish I could lived Jordan but unfortalatly I couldnt.
I think what modern-day fans don't seem to understand because they didn't live through the times or even talk to people of previous generations is that: He was the catalyst that changed sports, Michael Jordan wasn’t just a basketball player; he was a cultural phenomenon, on par with icons like the Beatles and Michael Jackson. His impact went beyond the game-he revolutionized marketing, advertising, and how athletes were perceived and compensated. Wilt Chamberlain even said that every player should give Jordan a portion of their salary because of how he changed the game. Just like Steve Jobs revolutionized technology, Jordan changed how we view sports.
Um most Kobe fans have MJ as the GOAT but Kobe hate is way out of control mostly by Lebron fans because he was better in the 2000s/rivalry back the and was hated on by the media his whole career at least til the end then he got some nice things said about him and then post 2016 retirement they are right back to trashing his legacy so me personally I got stand for Kobe against revisionist history
To be fair Mike ruined casual ball, it’s impossible to play 5’s without one guy taking 6 shots in a row, eventually passes to you, and if you miss he uses that as an excuse as to why he doesn’t pass. 5’s at the park is just a joke right now
While I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, I'ma have to hard disagree that "ring culture" or ranking titles and all that is new. That junk is a tale as old as time. We even got Wilt doing it to Jordan early in MJ's championship runs. It also wasn't crazy to hear people say MJ was the G.O.A.T even before he won a ring and it also wasn't crazy to hear folks say the opposite. I also gotta disagree that MJ started this whole "I'm the man" mentality. If anybody did it was Wilt.
Jordan is the Blueprint, Like Walt Disney is for Entertainment: Walt Disney didn’t invent the idea of animation, but he took it to heights no one had imagined, creating an empire that shaped the entertainment world. In the same way, Michael Jordan took basketball and turned it into a global spectacle. He wasn't just the best player; he was the reason millions around the world fell in love with the game. Just as Disney created a world of imagination, Jordan created a world of aspiration.
Jordan had people that don’t even watch basketball watch because he was so amazing!my grand ma used to watch because of Jordan!lebron don’t have nobody grand ma watching cuz he so amazing
For you to be so young and accurately describe the fantastic feeling that fans felt back when Jordan was playing. Is pretty impressive because. I’m 50 years old and I remember it like it was yesterday.
@@DaCommishDudeRight! and I look at it like this. Let’s take how LeBron fans feel about him and multiply that by 100. because in this social media era, you’re able to see your favorite athletes and stars whenever you want and see what they’re doing throughout the day back in the 80s and 90s we didn’t have that so whenever we did see our favorite athletes or entertainers it wasentertainers was magnified that much more. that’s why when people describe Jordan that seen him back in the 90s they describe him as having a glowing aura around him. I remember what Iverson said about Jordan and his HOF speech and he had the legendary crossover on Jordan but keep growing your channel. I’m going to check out more of your content.
There were definitely guys long before Jordan that played a far more selfish brand of basketball though. Wilt is the easy example, taking 30-40 shots per game, and his brand of basketball was frequently to the detriment of his own team. It's only when the offense started running more through others that he started winning a couple championships. The whole "Star-Centric" style of basketball would've come into prominence with or without Jordan, though I don't doubt he helped it along. If for no other reason, than because it's massively profitable for the NBA to have guys like that.
Commish, you make valid points. I became an NBA fan because of Jordan and you're correct in stating that as the NBA is a copycat league they've been on the hunt for the next-Jordan since his retirement and have failed miserably in the endeavor. Jordan completely redefined: winning, domination of a sport, and great individual performance. These things were never discussed in this manner before Jordan and have become the albatross that every other player since Jordan has had to overcome. Great video.
Thank you for watching and for sharing your point of view. I knew people would find fault with this video before even watching and everyone doesn't have to agree but it's great when people absorb everything before typing up before assaulting their keyboard by typing an angry message
Now, about the league’s obsession with replicating Jordan’s success-it’s not MJ’s fault that he became the gold standard, your right. His arrival coincided with the NBA’s golden age, and his greatness, both on and off the court, made him a global icon. He was approachable, loved by fans, and had a storybook career that was the perfect narrative for marketing. It’s tough to capture that lightning in a bottle again. The league saw unprecedented viewership and revenue during his time, and it’s only natural they’ve been chasing that high ever since. But greatness like that is rare.
Shortly explained. Jordan made it awesome. 90s had hard play, trash talk and players who fought like warriors on the field. He was rhe best at that. He was a hero to everybody back then. Post jordan NBA became more restricted. LeBron was great and still is, but we saw with Jordan what was possible. To this day we still dont have a single player that matched Jordan.
I like your video but a couple of points and corrections....JPhil Jackson, who coached the Chicago Bulls during their championship runs, has indeed acknowledged that Jordan initially resisted the triangle offense. However, this resistance wasn't due to selfishness but rather Jordan's preference for a more individualized playing style that allowed him to dominate the game. Jackson's challenge was to convince Jordan that by involving his teammates more, the team would be more successful overall. In his book "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson discusses how Jordan eventually bought into the triangle offense, realizing that it would lead to more championships. Jackson praised Jordan for his willingness to adapt and sacrifice individual stats for the team's success.
That was Bob Knight who told the Trailblazers to draft Michael Jordan at Center because they was going to pass on him and they did. Hakeem Olajuwon was going to go number one regardless back then because he was that good and he was a center but Bob Knight told his friend who worked with the Trailblazers to take Jordan even though they already had Clyde.
I'm 39 years old (turning 40 at the end of the year). Chicago Born and Raised. And my earliest sports memories are the Bulls winning titles and celebrations in Grant Park. In 97 & 98 as you mentioned at around the 16 minute mark, winning just felt like what was supposed to happen... Then the rude awakening. Winning is hard, just having 1 title should be celebrated and have a sort of reverence that I feel fans and media both lack. And Honestly, I think it is because of Mike. As much as he is my favorite player ever, people have unrealistic expectations on greatness. And now, the youngins that have never experienced greatness on that level (and are being told this constantly) are fed up and bucking against it. Anything that is not now is trash lol
Bro, I love your videos. Your sense of humour and delivery are always on point, but you seriously gotta stop with that simping stuff m8, it doesn't add anything to the video, just takes away from your amazing quality. At the end of the day, it's your channel and I still love the remaining 95% of your video, but I'm positive that's the one thing keeping your videos from chef kiss-perfection. All love bruv, keep up the good work.
Jordan was lighting in a bottle. All the stars aligned for the right celestial soup of basketball greatness. He had the right mind, heart, body and skill. He had the charisma, the swag, the looks. But he was also in the right place at the right time, when the lack of social media increased his mysterious aura to Godlike levels, when Nike needed a saviour and somehow the shoe was created. When the league was looking for another messiah after Magic and Bird bowed out. There will never be another one, and Lebron is right up there in the conversation with MJ, but that's as far as he goes. Lebron, is not artistry or poetry. Lebron, is a tank. Be Like Bron doesn't have that *ahem* ring to it.
I grew up watching MJ and Scottie Bulls dynasty when MJ retired, I stopped watching NBA for a while until Shaq and Kobe Lakers dynasty I only watch playoffs now you are speaking facts I will have to agree with you but growing up during MJ era is way different than watching the Bron and Curry era 90s era was about winning a🏆 or getting over the hump now is about 3 point shot and stats🤔
I get the point, And I don't want to hurt you. You made your case quite clearly. The reality is when you have a generational talent the best ever, everyone will try to find something that looks and plays like that guy.
Hey, Commish. I enjoyed the long format and in-depth analysis. I agree. Even Lebron is a 2nd generation MJ clone. The main argument I have for MJ being the GOAT is that when I tuned in to see Michael, I expected him to win. Every single game, I expect amazing play but I also expect victory. With Lebron, I just expect amazing play. No one else in basketball is synonymous with winning like MJ.
Most people watching this probably don't even know the single most watched basketball game ever. The 1979 NCAA Men's Div I Title game (Magic and the Spartans vs Bird and the Sycamores) to this day remains the highest rated basketball game ever. Not even Jordan could get more people to watch a single game.
I was thinking a lot about this before. There is still a search for a player who can always take over the game in such dominant fashion. No way, Jose. Play your own game.
I'm hearing this stuff in football now, because if GOAT discussions are already formless and interminable in a game with 5 players, how about one with more than 22? ESPN commentators asking who's gonna be the Face Of The League is telling. Normal people don't care. They've got their teams. If you're a Lions fan, then you'd probably rather see Amon-Ra St. Brown's face rather than Patrick Mahomes'. ESPN, on the other hand, care a lot, since endorsements generate hype and viewership. Normal people aren't wistfully looking at their Wheaties box waiting for guidance and inspiration from the League's most marketable mug.
Great video and great points you bring up. Especially the point you made about how now, just winning a championship is not good enough. Different sport but I think Tom Brady will have the same affect.
On point and concise my dude. 3 of the worst days in sports history are the 3 times MJ retired. It was like being dumped by my girlfriend but she also took my puppy that i adopted...
Ngl I did low-key feel this way that's how good he was. There are downsides to his greatness, if there's no Jordan, there's no tiresome goat debate that's fabricated. Players can play in peace without their legacies being constantly compared to someone else's.
If you want to talk about someone who ruined the NBA it would have to be Steph Curry. To be fair, kids on the playground shooting 3s started long before Steph came on the scene(which is odd when talking about Jordan's influence because he wasn't a perimeter shooter). The NBA itself still valued the mid range game and post game. Once Steph showed up, all of that disappeared. the NBA now is essentially a rec ball league of drive, kick, open 3. You made a good point about those 2016 finals. A game 7, the two best players in the league at the time, one team trying to cap off the winningest regular season and the other team trying to win its first championship for the city in a couple generations coming back from 3-1 down. None of that could eclipse people wanting to see Jordan.
All of that drama in the 2016 Finals can not trump what Jordan did in the 98 Finals the reason people like Jordan over LeBron it's like asking why people like Muhammad Ali telling people what round he was going to knock somebody out and then he'd do it my point is people like chip winning and dominance. In my opinion that Golden State Warrior team wasn't going to be the greatest team had they won that chip in 2016 anyway because I can never disrespect Jordan's Bulls in general who never really had a lot of game sevens in MJ's championship era in favor of a team that had to come back from 3-1 down to OKC, if the Warriors are the best team of all time because of a *regular* season record then why were they ever down 3-1 to OKC we don't even have to talk about what the Cavs did to them. Now was that 2016 series mad drama yes but I'll take dominance that you just got to take and go home any day. I get it it's no basketball going on right now to talk about and anytime somebody can bring up the Billy-🐐 Jordan's name everybody's going to get some clicks. But what people love about Jordan is the fact that there is no MVP team carrying caliber player that's ever won three or more rings without having at least one L in the finals and yes that goes for Bill Russell also after you ball stole ins no not even Hondo because John Havlicek was clutch but came off the bench in the 60s for the Celtics and there was always a center who was their main go-to guy when he played it was of course either Russell or Cowens. Jordan didn't mean to cast a shadow over the NBA he was just doing as you always hear him say winning at all costs it's not his fault that other players like LeQueen has the same amount of L's in the finals that he has in chips. Why do people act like Jordan was wrong for never letting people take his teams to seven games in the Finals Jaso somebody can say "ooh we saw drama" is beyond me this man did what he had to do. There's a reason why Killers like Bird, MJ and Kobe have more rings than losses in the Finals and the facilitators either have almost as many losses in the Finals or they have more losses in the Finals. Call it selfish ball or ball hogging all you want just don't ever say it doesn't get results at winning because that would be comical. Air Jordan said it best it's not an I in team but it's an I in *win* .
And to your point with Curry. Curry needed Jordan to happen, so that he could have the keys and leyway he was given to be the focal point of the offense and not be a big. Jordan completely changed that like you said. And Curry is the evolution. Before Jordan (bigs, Inside, a few jumpers, mostly layups and shots from passes out of the post). Jordan (midrange shots, and shots from doubles, slashers, divers, and guard heavy play) Curry (shoot the 3 and layups... that's it)
You wrong on your point when you said Jordan made winning a championship some what common. This error has made it seem common, because everybody winning. Lebron got 4 curry got 4 Durant got 2 hell even the international stars got one each
This was great, extremely well-done and hilarious. Bravo to you Commissioner. 💯💯 MJ definitely made Ring Culture what it is. And yes, Gannis got the luckiest ring ever and Jokic played the weakest path. lol
Pure Hogwash. I believe people who say that fundamentally don't respect team basketball . Some of the best players of all time won rings due to systems and great offensive schemes.
9:29 I think it also a combination of what Jordan did, and the internet blowing up. Before the internet, it was newspaper articles, sports illustrated, sports on the news, and barbershop talk. By the time MJ was out of the league there were message boards all over the place. All of a sudden people could share their opinion all over the world.
