Michael Malice - The Case for Anarchy 

He most certainly is.

Malice is an idiot.

He brings very interesting ideas that you rarely hear at the forefront (wonder why) yeah he doesnt have all the answers but sparking minds is his calling.

I like Michael Malice. I literally don't know what the fuck he's talking about. He sounds as barmy and Utopian as the Marxists. But I like him.

@@nealorr5086 He doesn't advocate for utopia he just advocates for the ability to have a state that reflects his views. He doesn't want to force it on people like utopian dreamers do.

Sociology is wrapped in so many conflicts of theory and has yet to establish fundamentals that are largely agreed upon so it'd make sense that people would have conflicting ideas of how sociology should be applied. Doesn't mean people aren't valid in their opinions just because they use RU-vid as a medium. Maybe not 5 minute videos but I can watch psychology and sociology lectures from Stanford on RU-vid as well as A.I lectures from M.I.T. People don't give enough credit to the wealth of credible information on the platform.

@@LlibertarianGalt Any system that doesn't have the potential of force beneath won't work past the very short term. People just don't work that way. Say Michael finds 500 acolytes and they build their little town. The next day I show up with my AR-15 and make myself king. It simply does not work. Wishing and holding your breath until you turn blue in the face won't change the fundamental nature of people.

@@nealorr5086 He never says he wants violence to not be an option, just not let the government have a monopoly on the police.

Yeah, communities came together and people generally gained mental resilience thru non-hierarchical group survival. I'd say more of our inherent survival instincts are honed in such adverse conditions. Leads to tapping into creative thinking, problem solving, networking. Don't know if I adhere to Mr Malices ideas as a whole, but he is a valuable thinker & I align with some of his beliefs.

I lived through it but was only 7 so didn't notice anything. If I was 7 in lock down I wouldn't have even gone to school.

Truth is he is a simpleton who would've been too triggered by the host challenging his ridiculous claims to say anything coherent. Hes a braindead moron.

What's your favorite thing about him?

He was on Cash Cab, check it out.

@@shane727 Great question! His ability to coherently explain complexity in a way that's engaging and fun. He's brutal, funny (reminds me of being back in the 1990s) but also emotional - when he speaks movingly of all those killed by Democide ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SbH6zj7R3FM.html )

Humble?

Refreshing, smart, but not humble by any stretch of the imagination.

Who happens to come from the complete opposite direction so I’ll give him credit for that.

He has Moldbug on his podcast often. Check out Malice's "You are welcome" 😊

What's Ancap?

@@weediestbroom anarcho capitalist

Being screwed and lied to by both sides will do that to you.

Why do you use the word Ancap instead of anarchist?

@@steveryan1799 most anarchists are commies.

The human race are pack animals and have always and will always have people who want to rule and control others. The dangers come when they become unaccountable

For me the issue is how do we decide on the rules and when they are violated who responds and how?

@@NealeTurner Why would you assume anarchism would not hold those people accountable?

@@lylemacdonald6672 you do realize that politicians, and rich folks hire private security, yes? There is no reason an anarchist society could not have a court system. "Government' does not have a monopoly on those things.

well actually it does right now....that's the problem.

Thankfully they showed us hes just an idiot who scammed a bunch of morons into buying his garbage books

Never trade freedom.

nonsense.

ahhh good ol' uncle Ben Franklin quote. (my name is actually Erin Franklin, hence the uncle part, haha).

Those who fight for freedom aren't safe either, so humans tend to choose the path of less resistance, especially those living in the comfort of modern world

@@mrmr4622 Than it is incumbent on those who will to stand in front of those who don't. That is what holding up your own principles means. Give me dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

Quiet statist swine!

STUPIDITY

How will you force people to accept your Universal Principles? Or are you happy to help me inflict mine on everyone else?

Natural Law

@@jonahtwhale1779 We must learn how to eliminate force. The problem is that conflict is considered a legitimate means to ends. Politics is conflict. Michael Malice is on the right path but "Anarchist" is not a term I would use describe his philosophy.

@@lisajarvie9650 "Natural Law" is correct, but we need to find a way to communicate it more effectively. The focus should be more on removing conflict in human actions than on rights, and equality. Removing conflict is more basic than the assertion of rights! Collectivism requires conflict for every human endeavor.

Natural Law and the Non-aggression Principle work together. See Andrew Napolitano “Taking Rights Seriously”.

very similar to communism... it works great in a small, hippy commune, but on a massive, country wide scale, it would be a complete failure. i like Michael Malice too, but he's almost just as idealist as those supporting socialism and communism today.

@Bob Charles is that not already the case? Are the ones with the most guns and ammo currently the ones in power?

@@cpebud what are often considered critiques of anarchism are inevitably descriptions of the status quo

@@nickc5408 so how is anarchy better if it essentially creates the same outcome?

@@jillybeangaming it doesn't seem to work even on a small scale, look at what happened to BLMs "autonomous zones"

I don't think the aim of anarchy is to have no government. It's to destroy what exists so something new and better can be built.

That’s because he’s a right-wing anarchist, or libertarian.

@@P-lo_ol-9 yep, ancaps are pretty much libertarians in an extreme form.

@@P-lo_ol-9 its pretty much the same thing. Different words.

@@hugow.5973 yeah because liberals of yesterday arent the same as liberals of today

@@hugow.5973 you are wrong. In Europe, they are called 'classic liberals' (check the definition). In Europe, liberals believe in free speech, low taxes, low regulations, individual liberties. In the US, they believe in high taxes, hate speech, gov control over the economy, no responsabilities... The ideology is very different.

That's not decentralised security, that comes from the centre, try doing a search in bitchute under "South Africa Kill" and hearing from the Minister's own lips.

sounds like you’re saying native africans need the boot of the state on their neck to behave civilly

SA are essentially socialist.

Working better than the state at the moment

Centralised security in detroit is working like a charm

If I remember correctly, I lays it out more in Lex Fridman's podcasts with him.

Anarchy isnt a system. Its a relationship. Buy his book.

Tere are plenty of books you can read to find that information. Anyone who thinks they are against anarchy and yet are willing to allow government to have a monopoly on all criminal activity is very lost. Monopoly on anything is always bad. If the government continues to turn on the people as they are doing now you will soon see very clearly that the positives of anarchy far outweight the negatives. Anarchy is essentially choice. Its the difference between going to a supermarket and only being allowed to buy one brand of item (i.e. the government in the current system) and being able to buy multiple brands as well as the current goto brand if you choose to. Choice is always better

Yeah, it's very shallow. It's a very immature idea

@@crushinnihilism it needs a system to function otherwise it's just a pointless thought experiment

I agree....but seeing the police enforce Covid tyranny gives me pause.

@@hugow.5973 lol...you don't thing local thugs would replace the cops?

@@hooterville1863 thugs don't have the backing of a state. The police are the teeth of authoritarianism and calling them "the filth" is the pretty mild as they beat OAP's sitting in parks "breaking" insane covid rules, drag kids screaming out of restaurant's for not having covid papers, or as we see in Canada, shutting down free non violent protest sand tramping disabled women with horses. Fuck em.

They are the filth. They’re the armed enforcer of the state, how could you not despise these people?

@@hooterville1863 Except there will still be cops...it will just be in the form of community security or even personal security. There will still be security/cops, it just won't be the government monopoly version that you can do nothing about.

KK told MM this story after the interview was over. It wasn't recorded

Do we have stats about that? Because I suspect post-tyranny embellishment of recent history, in order to avoid revenge against public servants. A bit like what we had in France, where according to common knowledge, many gendarmes supposedly joined one of the resistance networks. Except there wasn't that many according to the stats, and most defected only after D-Day... This legend (among many others covering this period of French history) was wanted by De Gaulle I think, in order to avoid the people seeking revenge against the police forces which in reality collaborated massively (and sometimes needlessly, even) with the Germans. It even evolved into a "joke" stating that everyone in France was a resistant during the occupation ! I'm not saying that's the case for sure, but I can imagine the same practice happening in USSR.

@@europeansovietunion7372 I don't have stats. My own grandmother told me about it happening in the town where she lived.

@@brucehutchinson9527 I'm sure it was one of those spontaneous things that they regretted not having the camera rolling for afterwards. At any rate, KK could still share this story with us in any later episode -- it is not dependent on MM.

@@brucehutchinson9527 - just shooting the shit with someone, you get a cool exchange. Not everything is entitled for you to hear.

Why do you suppose that is?

What are you trying to say with that?

The public deserve their misery for being such ignorant peasants. Especially gamers, desperately sucking the corporate teat and bending over to every attack against them because they were too clueless to understand that's what it was. Buying virtual "horse armor" was the gaming equivalent of opening the castle gates to an angry horde of rapists and welcoming them to your sisters bed.

Eh? That gives me shivers

@@smoothcortex No denying he said it. 9:45

He said that to make a point, he didn’t mean it literally. I think you either can’t follow his line of thought or you are purposely misrepresenting him. Which is it?

@@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH Purposely misrepresenting him. In the service of humor. Nobody is seriously saying that Malice is a Blair acolyte.

@@janso7979 fabulous.

Whose emotions, his or yours?

@@stvbrsn My question as well.

Same. Cheers.

SAME..

No. He’s an idiot.

Care to share the rest of your top 5 list in case there's someone else worthwhile that others haven't heard of yet?

@@Vates104 It's utopian nonsense.

You can stay ruled over. Let me be free. IOW, don't advocate for me to be ruled.

@Bob Charles you don't need a government to adjudicate disagreements. Anarchy does not mean you do not create frameworks to handle things like this.

@Bob Charles that would be agreed upon by the members of the community you live in. Anarchy does not mean 'no rules'

@Bob Charles Those aren't the only options.

@@furyofbongos what's IOW?

Why?

What can you not agree with?

@@frankdouglas8146 There's loads of areas to pick fault with but I'll just pick two. Who runs the prison system if there's no state? Another one is how is immigration control enforced in terms of visas/borders?

@@frankdouglas8146 😀 like I said... the vast majority of what he said... over the course of an hour... but his dislike of democracy and in particular parliamentary democracy is a red flag for me. He's one of these irrational "lefties" that wants to tear everything down with no real ideas as to what the world should then look like. He makes a point that everyone should be fed and watered, that they have shelter but doesn't seem to realise that that would require organisation on a mass scale. Anarchy is not going to solve world-hunger. And all that is funny coming from an academic that looks like he's never got his hands dirty in his life！living a sheltered life on the humanities corridor no doubt. He also has no appreciation of the fact that "no man is an island". Our incredible evolutionary path has depended on cooperation, organisation and the division of expertise and labour... so yeah the vast majority of what he said...

You spelled "too" wrongly, I think! Or is it wrong.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a jab against anarchism or not...

Like manure to a farmers field. That kind of treasure

"Anarchy is a mind game for the middle classes" - Johnny Rotten

1. Rand was not an anarchist which you seem to imply even though Malice himself is both a Randian and anarchist. 2. Friedman's justification is also a moral one- his is a consequentialist justification, Rothbard's is predicated on what he saw as the moral law.

@@chernobylcoleslaw6698 You are correct saying that Rand was not an anarchist, but her "Objectivism" as she called it, was a (in my opinion wrong) way to solve the Hume problem of is-ought, and many anarchist (mr Malice too) use the same approach to justify anarchism. Rothbard in many ways tried to do the same thing with his "Natural Law" paving the ground to an ethic defence of anarco-Capitalism. but you're wrong saying that Friedman's defence of anarco-capitalism is based on ethics; in fact (even on his own website) he describe how in his view Rand's is-ought solution and Rothbard natural law are inconsistent and self-referencial. he then proceed to say that himself follows moral rules and that they are very similar to Rand's one (Consequentialist as you pointed out) but since he cannot find any argument to dismiss moral-relativism (or moral-nihilism as he calls it) he cannot and doesn't base his theory of anarco-capitalism on ethics, but only on economics. (he himself in fact admits that his model may very well generate non-libertarian laws and societies)

@@chernobylcoleslaw6698 lol hi Cheryl

@@alcoholly18 Most people know me as Cheryl Cole, but this is my full name. My husband is Elongated Musket, but you might know him as Elon Musk.

Are you seriously comparing the broadly global reaction to the pandemic to the Nazis? And by extension calling your fellow citizens proto-fascists capable of a holocaust? For most people this a minor inconvenience in their lives not in anyway comparable to 5 years of total war. I'm so glad I'm now 75 years old and do not to endure living with such unremittingly stupid younger generation for much longer. Are you really so weak willed that you will pull-on the jack boots if this government told you to do? And really! is that likely? Cut out the hyperbole and start thinking!

@@keithchapman109 I am! That's exactly what Brits are. Uneducated and selfish and primal and destined for something similar.

@@keithchapman109 Did you even listen to what he said in this?!

Get a dictionary.

Don't they go hand in hand? I don't understand how you can have one without the other?

A complete deference to freedom is great when you live a comfortable life. When you are in a less privileged position it is not such an obvious mindset to have.

@@alicedoors4826 "Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are FREE, they are NOT EQUAL. And if they are EQUAL, they are NOT FREE." ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

to say the least. xD he does Tim Pool's podcast a lot, if you want to hear more from him (if you know who Tim Pool is)... he's such a character for sure.. always brings an interesting take to the situation.

@@jillybeangaming If that is the one with Alex Jones, it's a great interview! Very entertaining but a lot of truths.

Yes; he talks a good game.

You would need to deconstruct the ideas that you have been conditioned to believe. You will have cognitive dissonance about anything conditioned, until you do so.

Yeah democracy is terrible nothing good about it

Dystopia is a feature, not a bug.

The Mafia and cartel almost exclusively target other mafiosos also what you don't seem to understand is the state are the cartels in Mexico and the same in Italy. There will always be murderers but hasn't the IRA been exclusively against British state interference in Ireland? I also don't get how not having a state that rules you a Utopian ideal. Farmers would still farm mechanics would still fix cars and life would go on.

But the state has caused the most bloodshed in real life. Reality demands that people consider anarchy

An evil state causes more bloodshed. The average Brit will never understand this because they are incapable.

You didn’t watch it, did you? He literally said he understands human hierarchy. That’s fine if you don’t agree with him but don’t try to debunk something you didn’t even listen to

@@bigz5262 Not that I really have any interest in interacting with you, but yes I did watch it all the way through. Not every comment on the internet needs a response from some random fan boy of his, but thanks anyways for your assumption.

@@689moose nah dude you’re full of it. Your comment is that Anarchists don’t believe in hierarchy but in the first 15 minutes he said he acknowledges human hierarchy. Why would you even post a comment if you weren’t looking for some kind of interaction

@@bigz5262 You are doing great.

How does any nation survive? The support of others and the capability to use force to defend itself.

@@cleanjimmy support of who? What other nation is going support a random rabble? What force does random people spread out have? What other nations do in situations like this, is start taking bites out of the unclaimed territory. Ancapastan ends

@@cleanjimmy how is that organised without a structure - most of which is maintained by the state?

@@si_w8201 is your argument that if I can't think of an answer right now that one doesn't exist?

@@robertmacdonaldch5105 you're assuming that without central control that people don't naturally move together, which is untrue, why does everyone go to a nice beach on a sunny day? no one is coordinating them. once you understand incentives this world view makes a lot more sense

So hopefully you now finally realise that he is INCAPABLE of making sense - on any of his lunatic assertions. Just a self-absorbed shock-jock - the Milo of the Left. He clearly finds himself hilarious and ironic .... and lots of other little attic-dwelling snowflakes clearly agree.