The Truth About Incels 

Hey. I read your comment, and it moved me. I can't explain why. I am not in the same boat as you, but I feel your loneliness and can recognise it deeply. It's harder to meet new people later in life, I have found. I am 28 and feel so lonely a lot of the time. As you get older, people begin to settle into their own lives with their own families and so are less inclined to be out making new friends, whereas when you're young you're part of all sorts of programs and events and you go to college and uni and school and are constantly mixing with a wide variety of people, making it more likely to meet someone romantically and develop a relationship. I guess when you have spent your younger years being extremely phobic of sex and relationships (a fear of rejection maybe?), you miss out on a lot of opportunity to develop a relationship or have friendships. Then when you get older it's just that much harder. I do think staying in one place is also probably a factor in not getting anywhere. I think travelling, especially in a group, exploring, taking volunteer opportunities abroad, or just in other counties/states/etc (no sure where you live) will help you meet new people and broaden your horizons. I honestly think it's about meeting new people and being introduced to other people and it just snowballs from there. Like you say you have ambitions of being a writer - there are these cool writers retreats and writing agency events and festivals you can go to, meet other writers and like-minded people. I know my advice probably sounds stupid, as I am not in your shoes and cannot possibly relate to or understand what you are going through, but I am writing this because something in your words struck a chord within me and I just wanted you to know that you may feel lonely, but you're never truly alone. I hope you manage to find your happiness and peace.

My heart goes out to you, man! FWIW, I'll say the 'stop looking' advice doesn't really mean stop looking. It means stop seeming as if you are looking. You have to be out there, exposed socially, but just not giving a damn, just being who you are regardless. That's why dating apps are the absolute last place certain guys, probably most average guys, should be. It's not a place where the 'dance' can happen naturally or at all. As you know. Best of luck.

I know how you feel, I felt the same way until I was on the verge of turning 31. I had my first kiss and relationship at that age. I used a dating app, but that was 10 years ago and things have grown even more difficult since. I have been through a number of more or less short relationships since then, and what they taught me is that the two things you need the most to attract someone are, at least, to project confidence and to know whom might be receptive to your charm. Once you’ve got those two things down, then finding someone will stop being that much of an issue, but you really have to work on your fear of being unlovable. That’s what worked with me and I even managed to end up in a stable relationship, and still there are parts of my life that are far more messy then yours. I wish you good luck, I am sure you can do it.

Guess what, mate, you are worth far more as a human being than just your sex drive. I was an " incel" woman for decades and fell into abusive short term relationships because of alcoholism. I finally cleaned up and found my "Mr Right" at the age of 50. So hang in there, the old saying " there's somebody out there for everyone " really is true. And if you find your Mrs Right who doesn't want her own kids, what is wrong with adopting?

@@vivienneb6199 Not likely. I practically consider any woman I meet as potential. Problem is, I don't meet that many single women.

Good comment, but double thumbs up for the name😁

@@konmoe121 it’s Poland, my friend 😂

@@bobanrajowic Oh my gosh, that's not your real last name is it??!!

My best friend is an incel. He hates it. But he won't go out and try to even talk to a woman.

Hey, I remember you from the war! (the second one)

Agree.

Totally agree

Yes...and more status to traditional moms, raising kids is probably the most important and meaningful job in the world.

Agreed. I long found the admiration young men tent to have for the womanizer a little confusing, even gross. I used to hold to the adage of just "wait until the right one comes along." That however is bs advice to pair with "wait until marriage."

Disagree. Many women and man have very high sex drives, it's not a notch on the bedpost, it's living your sexual desires. For some people it's part of their inner fulfillment. With every choice you do in live, you'll have to endure a compromise.

Indeed. Many in the blackpill space sleep on neurodivergence vs neurotypicality

I missed that. Cheers for picking up on it for me.. is a very interesting and potentially telling stat.

Controversial take: perhaps it fulfils an evolutionary purpose that they are not sexually successful- screens out the autism genes reproducing. But what explains the increase in autistic population? Is it environmental or is it becoming easier for them to date/reproduce?

@@jayjaydubful the increase in the population initially would imply that either 1)There may have been some benefit OR 2)The negative nature if the trait was not sufficiently bad to be selected out . Aka was not sufficiently deleterious But as our environment changed, that may have also had an impact sure.

@@jayjaydubful You owe technology to autists.

Utter Rubbish You are Projecting Tyrone and Dusty dudes, which is relatively small portion of the population, to all of black men. None of the Black Men I know have, including me, have ever been put on pedestal.

Hi there,black man here. I am tired of this rhetoric of 'men being coddled'. I am responsible, have no children and ai have worked legally my entire adult life. I have not lived at home since I was 19. My single mother lost us our home as she refused to cooperate with local authorities. She has no income and we were forced to live in poverty mostly due to her decisions. I have zero sympathy for single mothers. They take one of the most important decisions a woman can make (who will be the father) and waste it on men who clearly are going in one direction down. But hey they're 'G's though right? Women make bad decisions them blame all men (including the one's they overlook) for the consequences of their decisions. Black men either have to be Uber successful or thugs to get a woman who is not obese. It appears to be the same story across all races of women. The truth is most women fund stable men boring which is why they have these issues. Single mothers (outside of rape of course) deserve no sympathy. My mother even told me I was conceived thru rape but my younger sister was conceived thru love (same father). Maybe you have an explanation for this because I don't!

Accurate. And that’s why it pisses me off that black men repeat white incel stuff. They have no clue what white men are going through. I think black men feel they are better than black women and are bitter about being “stuck with us” so they don’t want to put in any effort cos they feel we aren’t worth it and don’t deserve it. I also think they resent us for making life and sex easy for them because it’s emasculating (even though they could choose to do better). It wasn’t surprising that his work in the UK showed that men were upset that white women didn’t want them lolol

It's true, skin color has far less of an impact than culture. Unfortunately, ingrained cultural inertia means that change is often hard to accomplish.

@@crazytown1146 your comment as well as the original post has many points worth considering. I suspect not as many blacks subscribe to the victim narrative, as the media often peddles but, I'm certain there is a fair number who does. Some of this is undoubtedly comes from within the community as well as from the outside. I say this because as a native American I occasionally get mistaken for Hispanic and, sometimes it's accompanied by a huge animosity for not acting Mexican enough. This never happened when I was young but has been happening with increasing frequency over the last ten to fifteen years. I've been told not to be ashamed of their culture. And I've been told I act too white. I even had a death threat over it because he refused to believe I was anything but a "wet back" like him. That was his words to describe himself and it's made me hesitant to be around any numbers of Hispanic people because I'm not certain one might not try and carry out that threat someday. And I've seen how some black people display this same animosity for one's who don't act black enough, though they tend to use a different word. I suspect there is nothing "white allies" can do to help with these internal tensions and most what the "progressive liberals" are doing is only making it worse. I don't know that any of this matters but, this whole comment section and video is more than I can process right now. I need to sleep. 🖖

I moved away from the west coast after experiencing several psychologically controlling relationships with “woke”/lefty men, who would figure out what I wanted and valued, pretend to offer that, and then mess with my mind, and shame me for wanting to have a family. I think there are many single men and women out there looking for the real thing, and that’s part of why it’s so infuriating to see free speech shut down on social media-we’re not able to find each other very easily.

Not childless if you don't want children Childfree.

I wish you luck in finding a mate. Look in the Christian community. They always want to be baby incubators for life. Lmao 😁 🤣

@@humansarenature I straight up know two lefty guys in California who I worked with that spent years gaslighting their wife/girlfriend that "next year would be the time to have kids" until they got to their late 30s and could not have kids anymore. The guys didn't even think they would be bad fathers or anything, they just didn't want to have to give up any time/hobbies/space to kids, even though they were making six figures and owned large homes.

Back in the day it's was no video games and technology , media but now kids can have accees to social media, internet , drones, tablet, and phones now.

Your tale really touched a nerve. I'm sorry you've had to endure all that much loneliness your life.

I'm 42 and my situation is pretty similar to yours. The only two things keeping me around are my parents, who I could not do this to, and the fact that I'm paranoid of it not working and me being a vegetable for decades instead of just gone.

But you sure felt entitled to rent a woman's body. No wonder no one will screw you.

I genuinely feel for what you have gone and are going through. Are there things in your life that you look forward to that are a result of your action? Cooking, woodwork, programming? We are social animals and place great priority on forming connections. It is very hard to ignore that drive, but it’s important to love yourself first and give yourself a reason to have pride in yourself. I personally think it’s great to have an insular hobby you can be proud of.

Thank you for sharing your story. I have no idea what I can say to help you other than your story touched my heart. I pray you can be satisfied with the fact I think you’re a very nice and honest person.

Your people being slaughtered to the last will be the result if you don't remove them from your midst, and the ones who flooded your land with them.

Ditto the UK

I remember telling my brother's German wife that bringing in a million single men is different than bringing in families. She denied the problem and then the rapes started happening. Leftists are slow to wise up.

And most of those asylum seekers generally do not know and do NOT give a shit about political correctness and woke stuff! 🤣🤣🤣

The Tribe imported them for the purpose of white genocide.

i think people are tryiing to make a living dude, have you noticed inflation?

By "culture" you mean work propaganda and bullying and canceling

@William Tell A person that is secure enough to care about others.

@William Tell See what I did there?

That king of nuance is pretty rare. I put "incel" into my search engine, and get a lot of hateful articles maligning incels as misogynists.

Philip Zimbardo mentions hikikomori alongside NEET in his "The New Shyness" article from 2016 for psychologytoday.

It has already reach North American shores as well...

Ironically their advice for helping incels was identical to the bluepilled advice I was given as a teenager. It isn't really designed to help but to encourage men to be beta providers waiting for women at the end of their 'exciting' twenties.

@@rwatertree You're not wrong. I'm just optimistic because I remember a time when nobody had even heard of terms like "beta provider" so I figure the manosphere must be growing despite all the pushback.

because SJW's, like women generally, only look & consider the men at the top when they describe "toxic masculinity", completely disregarding all the male peasants, laborers and soldiers who built society throughout history and were the true victims of the "masculinity" they describe.

@@rwatertree ​ beta provider is a crazy way to say generous and loving partner. The stats don’t lie. Try to work on being so scared of being rejected, stop expecting it to happen just because you think you deserve it. Earn it bro. Also unironically saying manosphere is one of the big reasons you’re not getting any bro.

@@cristiancastaneda1336 So you support ho^^es? High body count as statistics shows result in cheating and dead bedroom - so better to be alone.

I agree. Triggernometry's understanding of the difficulties modern men face is expanding. It's good to see them become more sympathetic. But it's also good that they still don't offer men false hope. At the end of the day, you can only help yourself, no one is going to do it for you. Get to work or accept the consequences of choosing not to.

The important thing for me isn't that everyone agrees with incels, but to atleast try to understand their plight instead of just ignorantly writing them off as lazy misogynists who are there because of their own doing.

@Jane B Robbins I suppose not. But I don't think I'm in a minority of men who have been told that our preferences are sexist. I doubt that happens to women. Or does it?

@Jane B Robbins No, but anything which involves government interference should be tested for sexism, both ways, not just one way

Got to love how they refuse to see any man under 6f as a person but then say “Men refuse to date women taller than them”

Yes! Pharrell Warren (who wrote The Boy Crisis) said a heartbreaking statistic. A survey done around the 1950s showed that most men would prefer to be at home with their children rather than at work. They were sacrificing their happiness for their families. To say being at work was a privilege was a lie.

@@tomcoop9750 In those days, most men had careers to support their families. They put up with a lifetime of soulless drudgery for it. 'Liberated' women have careers for themselves.

You see in this feminist world if anyone criticizes vvоmеn its immediately is labelled as hate.

Definitely, I never understood the vilification of incels. They're people who's suffer misfortune, not some kind of sinister creature. I wonder where this comes from. Perhaps it's some sort of psychological rationalisation which gets them off the hook in regard to not having to care about others they view as beneath them.

@@221Dw the lamestream media is the source of most of the vilification. "If it bleeds, it leads."

@@221Dw Incels are perceived to be predominantly white (even though William's research says otherwise) and white people (especially men) are the one group in society that it is still okay to vilify and ostracize.

@@221Dw what's not to understand? women are disgusted by losers, and men want to distance themselves from losers. society has no use for loser men, so it shames them as much as possible. whereas society ALWAYS has a use for women no matter how much of a loser they are, hence they get sympathy

why do they deserve compassion? You have compassion towards people who want to kill others based on envy?

Haha, I thought the same. At least he didn't say "swipe right", which would've been a nice pun, considering the topic at hand.

😂 I hesitated on that too

lol i actually kinda liked that xD

It defo will 😂

I thought he meant "double back" but made a mistake. At least I hope it was a mistake rather than a new phrase.

Yeah guys. The intro theme music has took a weird turn. I prefer news programs jingles...But ok. Keep the images...

I'm a female and a lesbian and even I went through an incel phase.

Having a partner or a relationship just isn't a human right. We're not going to redistribute females.

@Fabian KirchgessnerI'm not sure why you brought up this point but I totally agree. You don't have a right to be "safe" or "protected" by anyone. I don't disagree. You're right on the money.

Incel here, and If I don't get a BONK ! .....I'm going to jolly well write to the times😠

Interesting! Do you have a link to more info? Thanks!

@@AmanitaWoodrose sadly only in danish, but you could check University of Copenhagen their sociology department. A lot of good research in Scandinavia sadly don't reach beond the language barrier 🤷

Mental health "Profesionals" encourage people to see their feelings this way. Never mind that people get diagnosed over Nora feelings brought on by life problems. Thus happened to me and I can say, it ruined my life. I kept seeking help, kept getting brushed off because no one wanted to explore the problems, they just wanted to diagnose me. Anxiety, social anxiety, depression. So explain why ay 29, now that the shyness and low self esteem have dried up........ I'm FINE. Only because of everything, I'm worse off than before.

Yeah, it seems to be used as a crutch and a status symbol in some circles. Both are very unproductive and need to be used as you pointed out: a hurdle to overcome

After reading this all I can say is,”yes.” I’ve noticed this happening. I even think some people do it on purpose.

with incels it's a mixed bag. On the one hand yes, using mental health as a shield stops you from getting better, but on the other there are genuine societal issues incels face and it's often not that simple.

I'm an exception to that. I work out constantly but am very lazy and undisciplined in every other aspect of my life.

I am 18 years old I doesn't have a girlfriend yet

I think the opposite men who are in the Gym all the time are self-absorbed. Studies have been done that say women prefer Dad bodies.I.E normal.I believe that's true.

@@Tara-zq3il Studies about women's preferences in physiques are all over the place. Wording in the question plays a major role in the outcomes of the studies. Also, sample sizes tend to be small and unrandom. Regardless of what majority women think, I prefer being muscular over having a dad bod. My ego would hate myself if I was Mr. Doughboy.

@@jzen1455 I didn’t get my shit together until after having kids. Get your shit together - you are already part way there, just need a reason…

Indeed, and in particular when, according to today's guest, it's a small minority of them that are engaging in anti-social behaviour.

what plight? that they don't get dates? boo hoo.

Living solely to be exploited while others keep the fruits of their labor is their plight. Monogamy was created to bribe slaves with women in order to keep them passive. The mostly false belief that their children would have it better than they did was essential for sanity of slaves. With the polygamous slave system today, slaves don’t even have that. If SHTF, it wouldn’t surprise me if the ruling class did a 180 and offered to bring monogamy back but by that stage most men will be in Nat Turner mode and won’t listen.

Agree. 100%. The more we demonize and alienate and ostracize them the worse it's going to get. Most of these mass shooters are isolated, angry, aggrieved and lonely men. Pushing them further into the margins by diminishing them even further is only going to compound the problem. We do so at our peril.

@@Trecesolotienesdos that they don’t get a family. That’s nothing to laugh at, it’s a big deal and what gives most people purpose and meaning in life.

There are female incels. Just more rare because men will usually plow it wherever they can find a willing woman. What do you want society to do? Force eomen to service men we don't want to?

Good point

No it wouldn't. Women have always been told to "work on themselves" so their men don't cheat or abandon them, women's magazines have been about that since the dawn of time. When it comes to incelism, women are more happy single than men, plus women don't have the sexual entitlement.

No lies detected.

There are female incels

Why not marry a blind woman then and stop with the excuses.

@@cxjar5890 are you for real?! Just find a blind women? Not realistic at all.

@@MR-el2ym I think hes just trolling lol

Yea, thats how i became blackpilled women never liked me and i never knew why but it turns out its because im a 5'6 big lip large forehead ugly incel

@@MR-el2ym These dudes crack me up. There was another guy unironically telling some dude struggling to get a gf to find a homeless drug addict woman and rehabilitate her. That's how low they expect you to go, like Konstantin said, you cannot even try and be a victim as a dude, just eat your bowl of sh*t and shut the f*ck up, hilarious.

Idk I'm a Seattle-area doctor and I see quite a few of women who fit this profile.

And will inevitably become the 95/5 rule

It already is 95/5. Data collected by dating apps like Tinder show that women on average will only agree to match with about 4.5% of all men on the app.

Technically, it is 64/4. It's actually just a double application of the pareto principle (the next level down is where you get to the '1 percenters' that get the top 50%)

Paying a woman so she'll dissassociate enough to let you fuck her IS not a positive experience. Having sex with someone who hates you will not make you happy or fullfilled. And it makes you even weaker and women will rightly find you répulsive for it. Also you have NO way of knowing if the women are traficked. And then it's rape.

Paying for sex sounds like it would just increase depression. A woman who has no interest in you whatsoever and would never have sex with you otherwise, is desperate enough to accept money for her body to be used.

You’re an incel deal with it

Some guys are ashamed of their lack of experience especially in our sex obsessed western societies so getting some experience, even if not ideal with a partner. It might increase confidence for a nervous guy just to actually do it!! I think my first sexual experience was in Thailand and one was bad and another really good ( not too far from a girlfriend experience) it definitely helped me. It made me realise sex isn't like doing a Rubix cube....It isn't rocket science. I suppose I was quite attractive, young guy so I could delude myself 😅

don't worry, many many many beautiful talented incredible women choose to be ALONE and HAPPY because of horrible experiences in relationships, or just their temporment or whatever it is. women are alone too, even hot ones. why is everyone so shallow.

As a single 38 year old female who has been single for a fair few years now I can actually agree with his comment about waiting until your 30s. Personally I would not mind an inexperienced partner aa it would make me more comfortable to know that they haven't been as much of a risk than men who has slept with God knows how many women and nowadays I think the risk of sexual diseases are way to common.

@@louisep9623 I suspect you may be the exception that proves the rule. From studies that have been done, in general, experience is desired in a partner not because of the danger of STD's but it's a sign that other women find that man attractive as a potential mate. It's known as pre-selection. It's why you hear of men who get a girlfriend say that they get more attention from women when they are partnered. It's also why I mentioned that divorced men have better outcomes in dating compared to long term single men.

@@tgheretford divorced men are also much more likely to get divorced/breakup. Yes they get a girlfriend easier, but their relationships are less likely to last than men who are not divorced and have fewer partners.

Give women opportunities to have a job too.

@@tgheretford I'd agree I'm definitely the exception i seem to be so far from normal.

That's because without men producing more than they consume, there IS no society. Hardly fair, or 'equitable' but it's the way it is and this will NEVER change no matter how much we pretend women are equal

Get over it. Involuntary celebacy is an accurate descriptor. The are few such women but many more such men.

@@rwatertree 7 billion people on the planet… few such women is a massive understatement. So how many women do you think are voluntarily single? 10… 15? Give me a break, there’ll be plenty. Regardless, it’s not a good thing to happen to a person most of the time so there being less of one than the other doesn’t really make a difference to how the problem should be viewed or handled.

You are not wrong as men are seen as human *doings* whereas women are seen as human *beings.* Therefore women are given support and sympathy while men are left with responsibility and accountability.

I thought incels weren't "deciding to take a break". That's the point

The guy is clearly a shill. He's full of bullshit. Talking about hot air... Especially the vikings were the period incels had me laughing

great comment! very wise I think. I can totally relate to your words.

Very true.

Worth pointing out that if you do manage to "be better" despite everything, and get the lizzos chasing you for long enough, they might lose enough weight to be attractive to you.

Go East and find yourself a trad lady

It’s for men who want the women who are available. If the women are unacceptable to you then you should remain single.

Excellent comment! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@@nowwhat1434 Another way of saying “woman can be as fat, lazy, not cook or clean as much as she wants and if you want to have a bare minimum standard then you are a bigot!”

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Incels are just like SJWs they both adopt victimhood as an identity.

Just move to countries where the men are typically shorter...Southeast asia or Latin America....or poorer. I think American guys now know this and have become passport bros. Maybe the answer is a one way ticket to thailand😅😅

@@graduke1 "Just move away from all of your familial wealth, everyone you know, away from the language you speak, away from your culture, quit your job, and go somewhere else." How about fuckin NO?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory explains who gets a relationship and why.

Imagine how I feel after the decade of my life devoted to trying my best to overcome my autism, and having it all brushed off like it was nothing.

@@logan_wolf i have autism too lmao. although i overcame a lot of anxiety so im not upset. overcoming autism is about trying to function as a normal human being. being brushed off is better than being hated/seen as a weirdo

@@klimtkiller But I was seen as a weirdo my entire life.

@@logan_wolf same man

How do conclusions become invalid? Wouldn’t a completely subjective self-rating system be completely invalid anyway? And yes ‘improve yourself bro’ isn’t great advice for men seeking beautiful and successful women, but if these men lower their standards and worked out they would be able to find a partner, wouldn’t you agree?

@@isoakkfgy4462 putting the subjectivity of the rating aside, if attractiveness is the primary cause of inceldom it is pointless to measure other irrelevant or consequential attributes. For example, if I want to measure why someone is failing at maths, I would best measure IQ and schooling rather than self-esteem and height.otherwise I might draw invalid conclusions. If you’re short, bald and ugly, no amount of gym will make you more attractive. Black pill community has found that it can sometimes work against you. Lowering one’s standard can marginally help but given hypergamy women will not settle for you especially given the male access they have now. Experiments on online dating were done where pig ugly or old ladies were still getting hundreds of matches from even decent guys.

@@caseybanana8114 I think that is a bit disanalogous, the survey looked at political alignment and area of origin, which are factors that women take into account when finding a partner. Its not as if the survey asked for favourite sports team or something. Sure, from your point of view as a good looking women, if you’re short bald and ugly there is no amount of gym you could do, but what if he was also financially well off, confident and had your ideal body? What about your less good looking friends?

@@isoakkfgy4462 attractiveness trumps every other attribute in the current dating market. Nobody cares about about who Brad Pitt votes for. Look up Meeks… If you lead with your wealth, you’ll end up with a gold digger in a sexless marriage. Poor advice. You can mitigate some of your physical characteristics but for most ugly men the improvements in dating prospects are negligible. Blaming their lack of “effort” is just victim blaming at this point and cruel where they waste effort on a false promise.

@@caseybanana8114 attractiveness isn’t a sole attribute, it is the combination of all attributes. And yes when dating obviously women care about politics, conservative women like conservative men and vice versa, you are minimizing the point to ‘who did you vote for’ when its clearly about the values that one holds around family and society. And no, I didnt tell anyone to find a gold digger, i asked you a question which you conveniently didnt answer. Its not victim blaming men, its encouraging self improvement and to accept rejection as a normal thing.

Acquire pop-corn, sit back, and watch the world burn. The next 40 years are going to be such fun.

Depends, if they really mean, no man is better than dating down....

My standards aren't that high. I'm looking for a man who doesn't watch porn, wants marriage and kids, has similar political beliefs (moderate), and isn't abusive/a cheater/in to the manosphere stuff. Try as I might, I'm not finding that.

@@erinrhianne I feel for you. Check out an Orthodox Church that does services in the vernacular and you'll meet lots of men like the ones you're searching for.

@@polyglossia3671 There's a number of reasons why that's not possible for me, spiritually, socially, etc. But thank you for the suggestion, genuinely.

@Ungabunga.44 The problem is a lot of the time the damage has already been done. These men are addicted. They refuse to stop. They can't cum without it. They get no pleasure from normal sex. It changes the way they view women and sexuality in general. I'd be happy to date a man who has watched in the past if he'd be actually willing to sit down with me and go over the issues with it. Fight the new drug has some great resources. My ex didn't watched it and shared my views on it but unfortunately we had to break up because his mother is in love with him.

They don't hate women, that's the thing. It's a cover to hide the pain of not having women's company. Naturally our woke-oriented society calls this 'misogyny'.

@@fredneecher1746 True and their issue is really about loneliness and isolation.

Short men are the only type of individual with a characteristic that can’t be changed that can be hounded endlessly about it

I'm 6ft tall and a woman and every man who's a manager at my workplace is shorter than me and the CEO is the shortest of them all. Short men can achieve success. They just need to stop crying about the short stature as an excuse and just go for it.

@@Opal5674 it’s not crying. Short men as a whole don’t have any movement. Every other oppressed group rallies around each other and bitches incessantly but short men don’t. Short men have it the hardest out of all the normal deviations not including actual disabilities.

@@jofieji5312 Yes you are crying. Did you know that the super tall men are often perceived as being dumb?

@@Opal5674 So as a 6ft woman, you’re an authority on the lived experience of short men. Lol. Typical though. Also typical that as a 6ft woman, any man who’s shorter than you is filed under ‘short’.

and when Rome started importing tons of foreigners and using slave labour to do everything on the cheap

Totally false hahah WTF man study history.

@@Francio-fu5oj- no not at all.

Well the idea that it was only located on one side of the political spectrum was a dumb idea to begin with because the problem with incels is that they are sexually and romantically unappealing to women, not that they have the "wrong" politics.

This world need to clear they head and find some sort of change and them

@@Hooga89 The left are always looking for demons outside of themselves, and incels fit the nicely in the white male misogynist demon, which, naturally, cannot be any of them, so, ipso facto, on the right, even the 'far' right or at the extreme, no different from fascists.

@@Hooga89 It’s used as a slur against those who criticise woke leftist politics.

The left quite likes attaching anything socially undesirable to the right so that they get more mental incentive to hate the opposing political party.

@ O.C.: There's a bit to unpack here. The statement this woman made is a verbal cue to look at here body language, not at the words in that sentence. Some people refer to this as a 'shit test', but it's not really. It's a responsibility test, more accurately. And essentially, all supposed incel-dom is around the ability to quantify and negotiate responsibility as a man, which regardless of consent laws, divorce conditions, etc, remains on the man. Always had, always will be. That statement was to get you to take every last bit of responsibility for what happens, and it's up to you to decide what parameters fall within that. These will include her safety and her happiness, and if she defines those as being sated at the time, that statement has been correctly negotiated (by you, for her) to whatever you do with her from that moment. By your actions, you negotiated this moment anyway. You were responsible, but you have left her safe. but not happy or sated. I'm guessing by the the comment structure that you have nearly no chance of maintaining a friendship with this woman despite having no quarrel with her to the point of goodnight? If you do, then her friends have a chance at you, and has been vetted by this woman as 'old style respectful'. That has cache. But again, your comments hint at a brute force method of trying to get laid, not trying to obtain a relationship through as many contacts that are potentially available (a business/customer service thinking approach). None of the above says that you should've made a move on this woman even if the body language betrayed the verbal shut down. The issue is the level of responsibility that us men have to biologically carry, no matter the circumstance or the supposed society re-wiring. Your conversation, your intent, your plan, your goals, etc. It's all on you. It always has been (sorry for the Never Back Down movie quote, but it's actually ridiculously true!). True InCels appear to lack this ability or lack their recognition of it early in life (and some will understand this and correct their own problem) and that coincided with some other usually physical factor that provided an easy cover for instead. Some are neurologically incapable or are non-fully responsibility functional, some are but need to be unlocked by some input, either direct instruction or other praxis based approach (counter intuitive unfortunately).

Dude, can you say, do you also have depressions?

@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project thank you for such an insightful comment. You have impressively articulated what friends said to me “dude, she wanted you to chase her. She’s already invited you inside at 2am, she wants you to lead from there on so that A) she feels desired and B) she doesn’t feel like she gave herself away. Kinda like a shit test, as you said. Meanwhile, others tell me that No means No and that I did the right thing by leaving. I left her safe but I can’t assume she wasn’t happy or sated. She might have been very happy leading me on just to shut me down. Some people are cruel like that. On her body language : she invited me to sit while she made us drinks. I sat on the only couch. A large 3 seater couch. She emerged from the kitchen with cups of tea, handed me one, and sat on a chair across the room from me. After a some more chatting I jokingly remarked “you know, there’s an awful lot of comfy couch going to waste over here.” That’s when she said “yeah I know but I don’t want you to think anything is going to happen “. She physically distanced herself from me for the first time that night. She wasn’t smiling coyly. She seemed serious. I wasn’t just out to get laid. I thought it might be the beginning of a relationship (prior to the rejection). I hadn’t had any romantic encounters for years at this time so I was very excited but not surprised when she shot me down. I didn’t ask for her number as I figured she would refuse and that it would make things more awkward. I continued to chat as we had been until my tea was finished. I said goodnight and left politely. This is just an example of life as an incel. There’s plenty more that span over years of rejection and bad encounters. I’ll give you another: I was in Copenhagen travelling alone. I met a girl from my home town in Australia by total chance. We both happened to wander into the same bar. She was also travelling alone. We hit it off. Had a lot to drink, went out for dinner together, back to the bar for more drinking. Having a great time. She invited me back to her hotel. Firstly, at the hotel bar, and then up to her room. She told me to get into bed while she made a phone call. I Stripped down to boxers and got into bed. She called her boyfriend. Apparently he had cheated on her while she was away. She was exclaiming “I’ve got a man in my bed right now!”. After, she called her mother to let her know she was safe and that she had a guest in her room. I should have left but I was drunk, tired, it was 3am and I had no idea what part of town I was in. She eventually climbed into bed but slept fully clothed above the covers. We never touched. In the morning I left. On another occasion, I was in Berlin. I bought some concert tickets on eBay. The seller, a girl a few years younger than me delivered them to my hostel. We had a nice chat. She seemed sweet. Two days later she contacted me and asked if she could show me around her city. I accepted and we spent the whole day together. I invited her to a dinner some of my friends who were also visiting Berlin had organised. We went back to her place so she could change. Romantic tension was building. After dinner we all went out clubbing. From then on, I was invisible. She locked on to my more attractive mates and wouldn’t even talk to me. My friends gently refused her advances. Some had girlfriends or weren’t attracted to her. Either way she was rejecting me. In front of everyone, no less. Weeks later she emailed me to ask when I was coming to Berlin again. I said I didn’t want to see her because of how she treated me. She acknowledged that she had behaved poorly and apologised citing drink and her recent breakup with her boyfriend as reasons. I may be an incel but I have more self respect than date a girl who drops me at the first sign of a more attractive man. Even tinder dates. One girl in Japan told me that nothing romantic would happen on the date in our tinder messaging. I didn’t know if it was Japanese modesty or language, or a shit test. We met, had dinner, a couple drinks. She seemed to enjoy my company, laughed at my jokes etc.. while we were laughing I playfully enquired about her no romance comment as we were clearly getting along well. She stopped laughing and smiling and told me she was serious. And she was. We continued to chat and laugh but once we were outside she coldly said bye and left. Left me standing there like a stunned mullet in the middle of the walkway amongst hundreds of Japanese party goers. Another girl on tinder in Japan invited me to a salsa dance club. She was the dj. She danced with me, taught me to salsa, had fun with me. But I noticed other western men there. When I spoke to those men they said she had invited them on tinder too. I felt another lead on and rejection coming so I left. I speak Japanese , but even so, it’s very difficult to find romance in Japan. They’ll call you kakkoii (cool looking and handsome) and seem to enjoy your company, they’ll even flirtingly touch your arm (I have nicely sculpted arms) but when you ask if they’d like to meet for dinner or coffee sometime they firmly refuse stating the classic “let’s just be friends”. It’s happened to me countless times. One Japanese girl spent the day with me, accepted an invitation back to my hotel restaurant. Had a couple drinks, but when I suggested we go upstairs to continue our chat, she refused. Another Japanese girl came to my hotel room (small rooms with no where to sit) but refused to sit on the bed with me. She didn’t seem uncomfortable. She stayed for a while chatting until I walked her back to her subway station. I could go on and on. So you see, this results in years and years of being single and inceldom. Guys like me, we aren’t in a community, there’s no philosophy to it and we aren’t monsters. We’re just dudes who no one wants to get romantic with. We attempt to take responsibility and lead, escalate, as well as be chill, have fun, make the girl feel safe while having a laugh. But if they ultimately don’t want romance with you, what can you do?

@@denis_lengart no, I don’t. Why do you ask?

@@JezaLoki Cause I do have and as far as I understand the most inc_ls have. You are seemed quite successful man and definitely the problem is not in you.

Do yourself a favour; STAY OFF REDDIT.

'but men back then also understood and accepted from an extremely young age that their value as a member of society and a mate was directly tied to achievement and hard work.' - guys in the 50's got married and bought a home and all they had to do was drop out of high school and get a job in a factory. They did not have to work their ass off

What is “NEET”? Genuine question.

@@iwantthe80sback59 Not in Employment, Education, or Training.

@@mawnkey Thank you so much. Hadn’t heard that one before. Cheers.

It’s not most, it’s 17% of incels that are neets he said. Oh and also women’s value is conditional on how attractive we are which is a total lottery.

Most incels arent even ugly. Thé poster boy Eliott Rogers was even good looking. He just creeped women out with his attitude, looked at them like they were a subpar species who owed him sexual access, he never interacted with women outside of pornography. Most ugly men have a chance at dating if they groom themselves correctly, have good manners and do a minimum of physical exercise. And actually meet women IRL of course, dating sites like Tinder are around 80% men, the market is already skewed there.

This is in no way a "social trend of our time."

The pool of marginally sexually attractive women is dwindling as the standards of what women expect in men continually increases. Women are becoming more narcissistic and hedonistic with little regard for how their actions affect society. I know way too many single moms with highly dysfunctional kids and too many poly/alt lifestyle people who are f@cking there way through society like tornadoes creating paths of destruction.

who do ugly women date long term then?

Maybe that is the new Darwinian self selection?

wow...that is kind of heartbreaking.

plenty of married men and men in ltr's laugh at incels but they dont get sex either, plenty of attached men suffering in silence

Men that cheat reported higher satisfaction in their marriages

@@harsh3948 Presumably those who had the opportunity and didn't get found out. I'm guessing we'd each have to make a cost-benefit analysis and risk assessment where the impact on kids and probable financial destruction would weigh heavily for some of us against the delight of a tryst. Others might feel differently or have different opportunities.

Sorry to hear that and perhaps it's too late for you now, but for anyone else (male or female) who has low libido or has a partner with low libido, a drug called cabergoline (and other dopamine agonists) are a very promising treatment, if you can find the right doctor.

You can. Anxiety is irrational. Study the logic of it and practice meditation and with time you'll learn to overcome negative emotion. It is all within your control.

@@zeno2501 anxiety can be extremely physical in the way it manifests. When I was suffering , I wasn’t anxious on a conscious level, but my nervous system was just misfiring, being on constant alert as if I was in danger. I had all sorts of weird symptoms. Emotion based strategies never worked, but trying to calm my body did, and meditation is sure one way to achieve that

@@szfrj I'm so glad to hear about your progress. Well done. I would recommend meditation to everyone if I had a loud enough megaphone.

Meditation has always had the exact opposite effect on me. It merely opened my mind to experience the dread further. Yoga could put me into a blind rage. Medication could help, at least I haven't gone into full scale panic attacks very often since becoming medicated. But, the depression that was uncovered when I was no longer on constant fight/flight mode all the time, has been unaffected.

@@zeno2501 the way i see it, anxiety is the symptom of an over-sensitive device. the device in your brain that's designed to detect/predict threats to your body and mind. anxiety is experiencing fight/flight type response to situations that do not require it. you can't simply logic and meditate your way out of it, but you can work to become less sensitive through repeated exposure also yeah, i agree with Rhoetus - meditation always made my anxious feelings worse

Maybe the Ukrainian army just needs to 'be better'. They're losing at the moment

Well said.

Not quite some are mgtow or just religious but close.

@@wingsoffreedom3589 incel is a state of being not an ideology

@@gillmsnfillman1691 the last to groups could be categorized as volcels.

@Monika Golab These men are as good as virgins- for the foreseeable future. Sex aside, they have no hope of having a family or a meaningful relationship with a woman

@@markmansell until the robot waifus come these men will be praising the Omnissiah.

Up to those born in the 1980s, it is still possible. But I do not hear such stories from those born in the 1990s onwards anymore...

Just be confident bro.

Great interview

Add to all that the added pressure wrought by massive immigration into all western countries, where the young foreign born males then pursue the local women as trophies pushing out societies "B" males. IT'S GONNA GET UGLY.

it's like the state is testing men, like in tribal times. only the greatest of men are allowed to have offspring.

I think also men can be put off marriage because he could lose almost everything in the the event of a divorce. Also even dating can be a minefield for men as they can so easily have the finger pointed at them accusing them of rape. I don't blame them for opting out. I just wish they didn't hate women because of it as we're not all harridans.

What you describe sounds more like "volcel" (voluntarily celibate)

Well, don't go for a feminist, there's one problem solved. Polygamy is still INCREDIBLY rare, particularly in western nations. Like he said, most women don't want to share. Sex of course has value, you just need to find a woman who, shock horror, isn't going to be easy to get. Or on the flip side, don't discount a woman who is looking for commitment based on her previous promiscuity. The continuation of your bloodline and having a partner far outweighs whether some is fat or not. Maybe some men just don't want it bad enough. Everyone compromises.

There actually used to be films in the 40s and 50s teaching men how to court women

Your dad is supposed to teach you, or you can learn by trial and error. It's not that difficult and achieving it only gets you a shit prize anyway.

And yet young men today are on a steady diet of porn, so how are they not being "educated"? (Rhetorical question. Turn off the devices and get out into your community and live your life).

Based and black pilled

I was the same...but never had a girlfriend because I was ashamed😢

Relationships aren’t treated with respect. They seem to be viewed as disposable. Too many marriages end in divorce, and those that enter marriage do so with a casualness that will result in catastrophic effects. Character and morals matter, and I can’t see myself getting into a relationship with someone who doesn’t value or cultivate the character required for a successful relationship.

Precisely.

For me the reward is no longer there. I'm not interested in women or interested in what women are interested in anymore.

Why do you no longer see a benefit to having a wife and children?

For me it's disgust, you could be disgusted with any attractive woman if you overthink logically and your hormones don't overpower your logic, same can be said with emotions and social relationships, I'm ASD,SPD,DDD

@Jane B Robbins its all the same, women control western society. why do you think men are trying to leave this society. i know i will.

@Jane B Robbins putting words into my mouth, im sure you a women knows everything lol probably never talked to a ugly guy ever. why even comment if your just gonna be ignorant, either speak your point or go be a bitter 40 yr old feminist