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The thing most people don't recognize is that Michigan was the deepest team in the country last season. The wolverines rotated players constantly, so even though many "starters" are gone, there are plenty of guys with experience. Not to mention we still have a blue chip ratio higher than 50%. Every year people doubt Michigan. The blind hate is the norm, as well as them being wrong.
For the 50th time: Substituting was easy when they were subbing in one or two guys at a time, like on the OL. This is replacing all 6 at once, including a 1st team All American. Without the threat of a legit (JJ) pass game, this brand new OL will be MUCH easier to defend. Teams won’t have to defend them straight up. This exact thing affected Ohio St in the reverse direction. The lack of a consistent run game meant teams didn’t have to defend them straight up. It becomes a self feeding loop. Much like UM, everybody good came back, and now there is an elite OC calling plays.
Everyone acts like Coach Moore is “Unproven” - the man has already proven he can beat TTDS, the staff is proven, our 2 deep players had more playing time in 2023 than some of the other elite starters on other teams being shown respect. Another year of Michigan vs Everybody - BET! Go Blue 〽️
What? Just because YOU proclaim he has proven himself? How UTTERL myopic. Its like you are CHUGGING the Koolaide! Moore has NEVER been a colligate head coach. At the collegiate level, he has two prior schools that he coached for. He coached on GAMEDAY last season. Harbaugh was NOT prevented from being on campus coaching Sunday-Friday. In otherwords Moore called the games and THAT is NOT the same thing as being a HC. It is STUNNING that you cant seem to see that. At ANY other program, FORGET that Moore had to hire an ENTIRE staff... set that aside for a second... Had Harbaugh stayed, replacing 40+ starters and upperclassman, it was STILL going to be a step back just on the number of starters and UPPERCLASSMEN who provide LEADERSHIP. Oh, and by the way Moore ISNT HARBAUGH... At ANY other program if that data were provided YOU would say NO ONE can sustain that kind of loss of personnel, entirely new coaching staff, an OL with 0 starts collectively and a new QB with 0 starts that universally spells TROUBLE... if these issues were at ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY you would MOCK fans that say what you CLOWNS are saying... You all are pontificating BS like you think you're going to win back to back titles...How about you worry more about getting out of September... Fresno State was a 9 win team last year and returns 14 starters from that team. You drop that one and a 1 win September is staring you in the face.
All Moore has done is be in charge of 4 hours of the 168 hours in the weeks he subbed for Harbaugh.Llast year he had to do NONE of the many responsibilities of the CEO head coach of a Top 10 program. He will have to do 10 TIMES what he did last year.
@@johnmandock56oregon, texas, ohio state all worry me big time as a UM fan. i believe our defense will hold up, but its the offense that, along with most others, have questions about. obviously there will be a slight drop in offense, but we also don’t necessarily need an elite offense. let em keep sleepin
You need to look at the schedule to understand the oddsmakers’ cutoff point for wins and losses. They play 3 of the preseason top 4 teams in the entire country. First year HC and first year QB.
I presume oddsmakers think that Michigan will lose to Texas, Oregon, and Ohio State and potentially drop a game to USC, Washington, or someone else. I still, respectfully, disagree with that. Yes, Michigan has a first year HC and first-year QB, but they return more than enough on defense and good enough offensive role players where they have a better chance of beating one of those Top 4 teams than losing to all of them.
@@collegefootballwithsam that’s not how the oddsmakers think. They have to set the line against what the public will bet on and is within the realm of possibility. I’m a not one of those people who treat them as if they always “know something we don’t” but the odds are set to attract bettors and putting Michgian at 8-9 wins when the average Joe knows they got gutted by the NFL and they play a bunch of brand name big-time programs is easy money. Look at how they set lines in the NFL for popular teams, it’s really no different because they attract casual bets. As for Mixhgian this year, I do not have them at the elite level because of that talent exodus and the coach drop off. I don’t think Sherrone Moore is in Harbaugh’s ballpark and I don’t expect him to be Michgian’s David Shaw, either. Enjoy your work, regardless!
@@collegefootballwithsam also doesn’t mean that he’s correct. It’s just numbers people don’t want to lose games on paper the ad makers usually correct yeah sure why they make all that money doesn’t mean that I was right.
Sam, you are 100% right. Michigan is still elite. These players filling in have been in the system for years now. Sherrone more is a "new HC" but he's not new to the program. He's not new to developing an OL. He's not new to coaching this program to wins against PSU and OSU as the Head Coach. Michigan's offense might be slow coming out of the gate but they're going to have the best or second best defense the country anchoring them down to keep every game winnable. I think it takes more faith to believe Michigan isn't going to be really good again than it does to think they will be really good/elite.
Lets not forget that Michigan’s season was very easy up until the Penn State game so as dominant as they were, I would not consider them to be historically dominant. They kept it fairly close with all of the half decent teams they played. BUT their lines on both sides of the ball were crazy dominant
Michigan used the portal to address key needs like more talent in the secondary. Picked up 3 starters. A starting LB. A starting O Lineman. Some depth at WR and a kicker!
Its not about returning talent. The biggest issue that i dont see anyone talking about is depth. We won the natty because harbaugh had built incredible depth. In several games we would separate ourselves in the second half becauese of it. This is the biggest thing lacking right now.
I got 9-3 personally…but I actually agree w u, they can definitely be elite-that Texas game is going to dictate the rest of the season. I’m a nobody tho. Oregon and UM r the games I worry about but also can’t wait to see the games. Great show brother. Happy 4th
That's because of the past, Three years does not change the opinion of what Michigan was prior to the past 3 years. Another couple of 1 loss years will THEN and only then convince the football world that they are a Top 5, program
I'm an Ohio State fan and agree that they're being underrated but they are more than likely not an elite team this season. Their defense will probably still be elite, but there's too much unknown on their offense to call them elite
That's respectable. The offense does have a ton of unknown and while I think the rush offense will be one of the best in the country, the passing offense has questions and will likely just be average.
@@collegefootballwithsam how is an entirely new OL supposed to be one of the best in the country? When a below average passing game allows people to sell out to stop the run..?
@@liamdaly2727look at every line under Sherrone. He’s a genius with o-linemen. Josh Priebe and Giovanni El-Hadi are beasts. 3 years of elite o-lines isn’t an anomaly, it’s a pattern. Hello? Basic pattern recognition? Anyone in there or are we just ignoring what’s in front of your eyes?
Michigan needs to have a QB who can CONSISTENTLY pass the ball accurately and on time, otherwise they could lose 4-5 games. We have NO idea if they have a QB like this on the roster right now. But people expecting a HUGE drop off with the O line are wrong. They have another bunch or junior and senior O linemen who have just been waiting their turn. They won’t win the Joe Moore Award but they will be way better than average.
The only reason OSU, Bama, Georgia reload every year is because of top 5 classes every year and their culture is proven for a long time. Michigan just got this again. Let’s just wait and see. I read OSU has only lost at least more than two games 1 time the last 19 years. That’s not easy to do going through multiple coaching changes in that time.
I love your channel Sam ! I think Michigan is being underrated as well it's just a lot of disrespect considering they are the defending national champions. Nationally I believe this ties into ESPN's narrative where they continually talk the Big ten down as a conference. I can't see Michigan going undefeated this year but I have a strong hunch they will win more than eight games
1 returning starter on offense. Almost a whole new coaching staff, and also a strength and conditioning coach. Doubt they will shock anyone and Vegas is more right than wrong when it comes to odds.
Lost entire defensive staff, HC, S&C coach, top 10 QB, best RB in UM history, and your only competent WRs. Sure, they have great talent left on defense and an elite TE; but the QB is highly suspect, no WR threats, and Edwards had 497 and 5 TDs on the season (104 and 2 of those TDs in the last game of the season) when he was healthy all year. UM isn't criminally underrated, they are properly rated based on returning talent and an almost entirely new coaching staff
@@MrMelon-gs6bq the also love winning 😂 Michigan beat OSU, Bama, and Washington without cheating, but if you wanna keep running around the Internet crying you can
Be nice if they can keep it up but that subpar recruiting will probably catch up sooner than later. I can see them being competitive with the penn sts of the world on yearly basis but ohio st and Oregon be lucky if win 1 out of 4 against them going forward now. Vegas probably right around 9ish wins.
The coaching change is the only problem for me with Michigan. If Jim was still there, I’d be okay with your statement. Just not sure how I trust Moore yet
If Michigan lost either the coaching or the talent then I'd easily be picking 10-2 and higher. They lost both. They lost the core of that developmental program. Until results are seen on the field it is hard to see anything better than 9-3. Each year from 21 through 23 they also had at least one home run recruit or transfer. That didn't happen for 24.
@@collegefootballwithsami hope lol, these past 2 years of michigan state football has been awful to watch. And I do think michigan will be elite again.
Your defense was elite. It's always an unknown year in and year out because of how Michigan develops talent. I call Michigan, "Iowa and Utah on steroids*. I never really hear of their players during recruiting but they are very great players.
I’ve been saying the same thing what you said the whole video Sam .. basically everyone’s cutting off Michigan’s natty run from last season, although they lost a lot of “starters” not third stringers or second stringers aka players haven’t played yet, The naysayers act like Michigan just completely fell off the map, which is not the case, Michigan has a lot of bunch of talent on the offensive side but the offensive line gonna be fine and the run game is gonna be fine. Hopefully the passing game too and the quarterback play but us Michigan fans and Michigan football have been in situation before. I got them 10-2 for right now. but if Michigan gets rolling early in season and beat Texas. I have them go in 11-1. GO BLUE 💛💙💛💙〽️〽️〽️
Agree completely, they have become developmentally elite in the trenches. Question is whether it sustains 3-5 years down the road. Shaw kept Stanford elite for a while after Harbaugh left, but eventually it fell off. Everything for next season comes down to Orji, but Michigan +3.5 against Texas is one of the best early lines. Even if Texas wins, very hard to beat Michigan by a significant margin because there are less possessions in the game.
People acknowledging that we don't have a QB isn't underrating anything. It's the truth. Y'all can have these fantasies of Orji winning a heisman but some of us need to see him throw more than 1 pass in his Michigan career before we talk about what this team can achieve this season as far as the offense is concerned. we don't have great WRs this season and we don't have a great QB either. Jake Moody and James Turner aren't kicking our FGs and our whole starting OL left. It's OK to not think you're going undefeated every year 😂
If Jim took over Mich in Oct/Nov with a strong roster and 2015 class he would have dominated sooner. You’re missing on this comparison pretty badly in my opinion. Urbs situation when he took over both FL and OSU were far better than Jim at Michigan. Jim is the better football coach and it will be undeniable when his career is finished.
I think 9-3 is definitely my expectations this year even if Harbaugh came back. But I’m excited to see what differences the Sherrone Moore era will bring
Too many unknowns to say they’ll be elite. Probably have the firepower to win 8-9 games. Contrary to what others believe, JJ McCarthy was a freakin’ stud and it will take years to replace that kid.
The offense all comes down to QB play IMO. If we can get average to slightly above average QB play, UM is a B1G title and playoff contender. Their defense is absolutely loaded and the offensive has a decent amount of returning experience.
As a Buckeye fan this is a very interesting take. I think they go 9-3 or 10-2 but thats just my opinion because of the coaching turnover and 1 offensive starter coming back!
When GA won the National Championship in 2021, how many starters did they return in 2022? It's hilarious to me that this is an issue for Michigan, but it's not applicable to GA, AL, OSU, Oregon, etc. The only thing holding MI back in 2024 is the fact that they don't have legitimate starting QB; Alex Orji ain't gonna get it done.
True, they don't and never will recruit at the level of those other schools. However, there's this thing called player development sir. Mason Graham was a 3 star, Blake Corum was a 3 star, and so was Roman Wilson. Two of those guys are already in the NFL , and Mason is projected to go first round. We see schools like Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Florida get more 4 and 5 star players than Michigan, but they rarely do anything more than what Michigan does.
@@kevinjackson2122 Michigan has gotten elite there last 3 years for sure. Development plays a big part in success but so does recruiting. Teams with good development and recruiting have longevity.
Orji is like the second coming of Cam Newton running wise. Dude is a monster. Can he pass, like, at all? If he can pass "well" Michigan can go undefeated again/ (11-1) because the great college QB's have been run first guys with adequate passing. But that is a big if at this point.
2016 Ohio St had returning all Conference QB. JT Barrett at that point was a much better player than Orji has proven to be. No offense to that young man. 2016 Ohio St offensive assistants were a big problem for that team and is why they were fired soon after the Clemson loss. Then Ryan Day was hired.
I think it is unlikely that all three of those things happen. The only reason I have them playing for a Natty this year is because I think they get a weak draw. If my bracket shakes out differently and they have to play Georgia or Alabama early, then they will exit early.
I'm taking the under. 8-4. Toughest schedule I've ever seen for UM. Losses to Texas, Oregon, USC, and Ohio. Sucks, but unless they get elite QB play I don't see them beating them teams. Teams are gonna stack the box knowing what Michigan's DNA is
1:24 that’s OK I don’t mind being underrated. The team will still be good. Will it win national championship next year? No could make the playoff think so. How good are we going to be a quarterback Israeli my main concern
I am trying to look at this staying in the middle and objectively open. I just dont see elite happening. I see a competitive team and challenging. No way they will win the National title. Its hard to do when you bring your whole team back let alone a new staff. I also dont believe Michigan has the elite depth to handle a very potentially long season with expanded playoff. These kids no matter what team are going to be driven into the ground with exhaustion and injuries. Can you be 2 deep in starting talent and maybe even 3 deep at critical positions ? I only see 3 teams that are close to that and Michigan is not one of them !
As a Michigan fan it’s very possible they can lose 4-5 games if everything just goes the opposite way for them. It’s really depends on how our offense plays out this year. Not worried about the defense but relying on your defense to save you every game is taxing. So we’ll see. They can definitely go 10-2 or be 8-4. Gotta wait and see
8 home games helps with the record. No doubt Michigan is really good, but not sure I'd claim they're "Criminally Underrated" as they're rated Top-15 from what I see. We'll see in a few months how it shakes out.
If Michigan goes 1-2 against Texas, Oregon, and Ohio State and takes care of the rest of the schedule, then they’ll make the playoff. If they can’t beat any of those 3, no shot at the playoff.
Michigan will be good, not elite. Most all the coaching is gone. They will be a ground and pound offense hoping to lengthen the game and win a lot off 17 to 14 games. How do you figure Harbaugh left them in a great place? They lose 3 games this year and worse next year. Keep this message, it will age well.
I would love for that to happen this year, but I am NOT predicting that even though I think it is possible. I believe Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, and maybe a few other teams have a better shot at winning it all.
I can’t see them competing for the natty for the pure fact of how new the offense will be. The 2023 offense was OLD by college standards. Those were guys that have been playing with each other for 2+ years, they knew each other and the team chemistry was there. I believe that level of coordination is near impossible for guys who have not seen nearly as much game time as the old guard.
No question that Michigan has elite talent with Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Colston Loveland. But key positions like QB, OL, and WR have big questions. Going up against Texas, Southern Cal, Oregon, and OSU will be a challenge with an unproven QB and OL. Michigan may win 11 games, who knows. I also completely disagree with the Harbaugh comparisons with Meyer and Saban. Saban and Meyer had elIte talent through their tenures, Harbaugh did not. Furthermore, Harbaugh is a proven winner in the NFL. How did Saban and Meyer perform in the NFL?
MICH played its cleanest game v OSU. As much as people deride Day-OSU trended up all 3 years and were some of Day’s best - just caught a really good MI playing its best games of season v OSU BTBTB. QB’s down this year - questions at QB OLINE WR CB. If 4 answers ELITE ceiling. Might catch TX D early with run game.
Players gone, staff gone, JJ gone, Corum gone, stallions gone which lead to three years of a build up of a roster to get transfers and keep players from going pro. The cheaters will take a big step back
If Michigan returned a good QB they could repeat. Unfortunately, QB is probably the weakest position on the team. 9-3 is the best case scenario with the QB play we have currently. 8-4 is a real possibility. It just sucks because they have the best Defense in the country, the best TE in the country, a very good RB/OL too! They don’t have NFL type WRs but they’ve got a couple guys who can make plays (Morgan/Moore/Morris). But then you go to QB and it’s dismal. Orji: clearly not impressive because if he was dominating this wouldn’t be an issue. Struggles to throw the ball accurately and could be a turnover machine. I hope I’m wrong because he NEEDS to win this job. Then you have Tuttle- 7th year guy from Indiana who isn’t scaring anyone. The safe option, but definitely not a game changer. If he’s the QB 8-4 or 9-3 Warren, looked the best in the spring game, Tuttle didn’t play. Actually threw the ball well, but he just doesn’t have the feel of a big time QB. I think the record would be similar to what Tuttle would produce. Davis - he definitely needs a redshirt year to develop. Not ready, looked shook in the spring game. Denagal - stop it (Missing out on Moore, Carr, and Underwood - 3 five star guys from the state of Michigan - in successive years is why we are in this position…sucks because outside of QB - we have everything ready for a repeat run)
We are no longer rebuilding. We’re back to where we need to be as a team program in the elite you now reload we will reload and we have a whole Lotta talent that’s gonna be shown. I really feel we have the capacity to go 11 and one beating Michigan State beating Ohio State beating Texas, we’re gonna have to see the kind of team Oregon has those 12 teams that are coming over to get a rude awakening. I really feel we have the capacity to at least be 11 and one past 10 and two was unacceptable the theme in the beauty about the playoffs now you don’t necessarily have to be undefeated so I think with an 11 and one or two still gets in I want to win the big 10 I’m old-school Bo schembecler mindset when the big 10 that’s where my mind is at and I think we still have a chance to win the Big Ten even with an 11 and one record going into that game anything that is a little difficult but I will be just fine take one game at a time bring on whoever it is that we play have no fear go defend our championship and win it again go blue
New HC. Half of last year's coaching staff gone, including the strength and conditioning coach. New offensive line. New QB. And shitty recruiting. Nobody is underrating scUM. They're right where they should be.
Come on man! We’ve seen this same story before with elite teams being gutted, and the only reason some of them didn’t lose bad the next year is because they recruited well, and the staff was returning. In both cases, Michigan fails with those two things. When a team is gutted, you need top5 to top10 recruiting for 1 to 2yrs before that gutting, so the sophomores and juniors are elite. The unfortunate fact is Michigans recruiting is sub par, and they only reached this elite level for one year by building this for three straight years, and then they peaked. And I didn’t want to bring this up, but that was three years of knowing the calls for every challenging team they played in conference. And it doesn’t take an elite team to play elite when they’re in the right defense, every call. They don’t have that advantage of cheating anymore either. But back to the main three issues, and the last one is coach retention. The fact is Michigan was gutted, and I believe they can try to hold it together when they lose. But with a new coach with no actual experience that isn’t substitute teaching for one day a week, 6 times…if they lose three games, and they get blasted by Texas and Oregon. They can spiral since we all know what the media will be saying. And that best case. If they get blown out by Texas, and then follow it up with a typical new coach loss that every new coach has, they’ll have two losses before they even play Oregon or OSU. I think that’s the most rational take as to what will happen. Either 3 losses, and one is a blow out. Or the other which is a minimum of 4 losses, and the media is barreling down on their new HC, and they know it’s not remotely the same program that needed 3yrs to build with a different staff. And there’s a chance that they fall off a cliff if the have a couple key injuries…like at RB, and the offensive line. And maybe a couple spots on defense. If they have any major attrition, they could go 6-6 or 7-5 really easily.
@@jefflampas7759 LOL. Quit being naïve! I know that Connor Stallions attended an Oregon Duck game when he thought Michigan might face them in the playoffs, and I know he helped Michigan get the calls for every team that Michigan needed an advantage against. There is actual footage of stallions on the sidelines, and when Ohio state changes their call, he makes the hand signal change, and so does the coaches and the players. They were all in on it, and they all knew that he had their hand signals! Harbaugh couldn’t beat Ohio State, and he had to reduce his pay because he was about to get fired, which is why Stallions was so welcomed with the cheating scheme. Without him cheating, Harbaugh wouldn’t have been around in 2023 to win a national title. Thats how big of a deal it was.
This fanbase is back to their entitled ways of only just 5-10 years ago... Sherronne Moore is unproven, fact. Anyone thinking he's going to keep Jim's program running as sucessfully as he did without all of the staff is dreaming... Jim also had proven himself at multiple levels and multiple programs over the span of 20 years before coming to Michigan... Sherronne "coached" a few games last year... We'll be lucky to go 9-3 this year. I love Michigan Football but they win one natty and their fans are back to their same old entitled selves that plagued us for the last 20 years before Jim got it together... Temper your expectations, OSU built a war machine over the off-season and Jim took practically all of his staff with him. The good ole days are over, wake up.
Michigan has 13 players drafted so is going to fall off. Texas has 11, but is a top 3 team? Even more alabama, fsu, wash all had 10. Fsu and especially washington going to fall off big, but bama is a top 7 team? Hmm, seems a bit inconsistent, thats weird
@@liamdaly2727yeah that's true for Alabama but not for FSU Texas or Washington Texas is just now started to have decent recruiting again and they lost the toddler offensive production even though we lost our offensive line to the NFL we still have others that come and played quite a bit plus transfer in at center our biggest question marks are going to be wide receivers and quarterback if orgy can be a good quarterback at at worst Michigan will be all right
@@GregWilliams-no1oj thats true for all of them. the person i was replying too wanted to know why people are high on Bama and Texas and low on washington FSU and um when they all lost 9+ guys to the NFL. The reason is Bama's last 3 classes are 2nd 1st and 2nd. they have the ability to reload. Texas' last 3 are 6th 3rd and 5th. they have a total of 15 3* across all those classes . michigan had 14 3*s in 2023 alone. michigans ceiling is 9 or 10 wins. if they regress its more like 8 wins. the schedule is signifigantly harder and the tough games come much sooner. hope that helps
If UM can beat Texas, they have a 50/50 shot at going 10-2. That is a big "if". What UM built for 2021-2023 took a long time and alot of factors had to come into play. Alot of grad students, covid year, perfect staff, best qb and rb they've ever had...ect None of those things are at play now. UM does not reload. This team is in rebuild mode. The championship has clouded your veiw @collegefootballwithsam
They have 2 elite players. They will still have a top defense. However, they will miss out on the complimentary football aspect that made them generational. The offense will be too inconsistent, even as talented as the QB is.
I’ll give you Saban as the greatest college coach and is in a tier of his own but Urban above Harbaugh, come on now. Urban walked into a great situation with OSU and needed Tebow in Florida. UM had Urban the first two years but BAD UM QB play lost those games. If Harbaugh finished his career out at UM. He would be close to reaching Saban. Also, isn’t one of the main skills of a great HC picking their staff?
@collegefootballwithsam yeah and how many of those teams had to replace their entire oline? Michigan doesn't return a single starter on the online. But yeah sure there will be no drop off.
Don't forget Donavan Edwards and watch out for some scary new stars like Samaj Morgan and the kid that caught the 10 yard cross route and took it to the house down the sideline in the Rose Bowl (sorry I forgot his name...very fast)
Michigan is going to absolutely BULLDOZE Texas. That will be the game that shuts everyone up. Now we have ANOTHER angry Michigan team. The critics keep making this mistake lmao good luck
