Micky Flanagan Takes On Modern Art - Class Dismissed - BBC Two 

Bloody right ,it's a load of old bollocks 👍🙄

😂😂😂

The skill isn’t with the artist nowadays, it’s with the critics making up all the insane twaddle.( which should be spelt twoddle.. but some other intellectual has had to mess with that as well)

haha love it

That story reflects Modern Art.

*pollocks

I Drew a Cock on them!

No one's waiting for Gardot to produce a real work of art.

You couldn’t have said it better!

Lol, ive just stumbled across this comment now but its comforting hearing you say you have no talent, I feel like im so BAD bro and everyone else in my class is good, do i just give up or make up some bs?

@@bronwynmarshall404 I can't tell you what to do but I guess it depends on how bad you want it. A lot can be made up for with hard work so that is an option. For me personally, I only went to art school because I thought it was an easy way to get my high school diploma. So yeah, if you love it then don't compare yourself to the other students but compare your current work to your previous work. And just work your ass off 😊

Why then you don't do it? Don't you want for your work to hang there for a decent amount of money? I think you should do it if you can. Maybe I also can, but you know why I still can't bring myself to actually do it? Because I don't have the art skill of BEING DARING ENOUGH. But those people did. And they won. I suspect not being daring enough - it's why 90% of people don't do such things although they can and don't have big success in life generally. Although almost everyone could.

Daring enough? They're just think they can get away with it that's all, no intelligence, thought or talent goes into it. They copy some other buttmunch and if they're lucky they strike gold. Just like those so-called talented 'painters', who are children, from India. Another child, same age, different time, nothing.

I don't think a dead dude could do it.

@@Walperion_Music people don't dare to do it because the fine art world is a very well disguised money laundering operation and the artists are predetermined within that circle already. It's a genius way of saying 'look how good this tosh is' mixed with 'I need to move some money around tax free'

And when did you last produce a work of art, however bad, Apple? Never? And when have you ever had an original thought? Also never?

So, in a nutshell, Gompertz is a ponce?

+Ireland1984 Thats probably because you are like the billions of other people who are Not artist or have not been college educated in Art or art history to understand what is being shown. You don't see the general public arguing with Mathematicians and calling their work nonsense. Yet you assume to understand a subject which dates back 35 thousand years just by using your common sense.... This is no good

+Tada Asatoorian Explain to me how framing a blank canvas with a slash down it requires skill? Surely ANYONE can do that?!

+Ireland1984 id rather not walk you through it like a child. If skill is all you look for in what distinguishes "art" from not art then your focusing on just the surface. Everyone can paint or draw what they see like Rembrandt or Picasso, skill take time, nothing more. It's the concepts and ideas that these people were commenting on which make them who they are. It's what separates Art from illustration... And as for your "anyone can do it!" Comment, I'll say but you didn't do it. And even if you did, could you argue and justify your reasoning with critics and art historians who hate your slash painting (because that's exactly what happened when that painting was first displayed) if you could "sell" your idea and justify the importance of how much space your work takes up on the wall, don't you think it's ok to keep it up? Art is more then what looks nice and how it looks (that's childish) it's like reading philosophy as a 3rd grader and concluding that all philosophy is nonsense..

+Tada Asatoorian If I pissed on a wall, took the brick work out, framed it and then waffled on about how it's a comment on humanity's disregard for it's surroundings you're the kind of idiot that would be like; wow man, amazing! Jog on you stuck up prat. xx

+Tada Asatoorian Haha!!! I thought of the stupidest thing to top my head and you tell me it's already been done!! Haha! Talk about proving my point!!

Lol, that was just brilliant editing.

Masterful

modern art is full of beauty & emotion, look closer

***** Thanks for your advice. There are beauty & emotion in Modern Art but you have to look deep. Occasionally, we maybe able to find one. I use Modern Art is the generic sense of the word.

there is more category of music then art . modern and contemporary are some of the widest known forms of art people understand or not,so its successful. in the past people said van Gogh and turner was shit 150 years ago we see them as classic works of art now the bullshit gets sived out over time (whatever bullshit mean's)

Let's be clear, when you say "modern art" what you're really thinking of is conceptual art. Not all modern art is like this.

Lol, it takes no courage

Pykadon h

Pykadon listen to this mate 'The Life & Death Of Art' by MURRAY LACHLAN YOUNG

I agree. I think he's right. He could go home and slash up his sofa and take a picture of it, get the picture printed and framed and then hang it on a wall as a piece of art just like the other one with that one line. He could say the picture represent domestic frustration emphasized by the need to destroy furniture as a counter productive reaction to just go buy a new sofa if you do not like the old one

But your 5 year old doesn't make millions of it. That is the true work of art.

Good on the wee man

@@AienAristeuein Never say never Sturla lol

@@AienAristeuein You're close to something here. In a world obsessed with money, the definition of art is being shifted towards "can make millions".

@@AienAristeuein The art of the con artist.

I think - what a waste of a run-down, beat-up, derelict eyesore of a power station.

@@loveleyday Run-down, beat-up, derelict eyesore sounds more interesting than all the sh*t inside it.

loodlebop: Because you're not a famous artist that pretentious students are desperate to suck off at every opportunity. Literally the only difference, hah.

Why do you think your slashed canvases can't be works of art? Good news for you: they can. And that's a good thing. You just need to think of some way of convincing people that your slashed canvases are works of art. And THAT's what is extremely hard. That's what art sometimes is. To be daring and convincing. I also have many slashed canvases at home but I don't posess the skill or inventivness to convince people theat they worth a fortune. But some of those people do. That's why they are bigger artists than me.

Ye, because everyone has the expectation that the artist in this situation was going to produce a drawing/painting/etc. What he/she did was to create something by destroying it. It only works because there is context. The context when you slash your sofa is not interesting to many people, if anyone.

A lot of art is so because, in some critics' views, someone was the "first" to do something. So if I paint a beautiful garden with a bridge over it and a pond with water lilies, it is not art because Monet already did it 150 years ago. There lies a conundrum. So Tracy Emin is apparently a valid modern artist because no-one presented an unmade bed as art before, and if anyone did so now, they would be accused of plagiarising Emin. Artists are obsessed with being original, which is probably why they produce more and more bizarre and absurd works, often out of a DESPERATION to be "original". But being just original is not "art". It needs other attributes.

@@fingerhorn4 so it's more to do with actually claiming it's art than it actually having any creative or meaningful merit? So the first person to shove an iron bolt through their cock and call it art is going to be a millionaire? Even it was accidental? Lol

Bollocks

If that was the case all Modern Art would be comedy shows.

no it wouldn't though would it, im sure you could display a comedy show in a gallery space, this would be fantastic :) Acey

But provoking a derisory impression is not impressive nor a reason for something to be worth doing.

Thought provoking is the best thing/only thing this kind of art is good for.

+Retrovirus You obviously intended for your comment to be derogatory but ironically what you just said is the greatest compliment. We have to think about why we have art and it's use in modern society. It's no longer used as a mere decoration. It's something that causes us to think, and evaluate and philosophise. So if the only thing art is good for, is to provoke thought, then I would say it's doing a bloody good job.

OR! They could just make something that actually is Art.

I would like to have guys the one that showing Mickey around to give an explanation of an art piece and than have him uncover what the artist had actually meant. I bet, 9 out of 10 and yes, I realize that I'm being quite generous to the "art interpreters" here, would be wrong most of the times. There are things that certain parts of our society does these days that's just so pretentious and modern art, fashion show etc. are few examples.

+nikoincroatia Most artwork has some description next to them, or a name. but if you are going to an exhibition why would you not study alittle bit before hand. Google the artist, their life, what they have to say about their work. You're not going to go watch a movie without seeing the trailer beforehand, so why does the general public think art is something they inherently need to understand without research? Art has a huge history, and most people are ignorant of that history. They use words like "expression" or "subjective" without understanding what they mean or where art is in relation to them.

" Yep". There. The start of a novel.

I think Mickey Flanagan concert would still be funnier.

I guess you don't know shit about Art. That question as been answered years ago by now. Yes, there are some works of art are are just... shit.

Esteban Larrea in the MONA an art gallery in Tasmania, Australia they actually have a artists statement of art being up its own arse, it is a very clever and technological marvel but in is essentially a shitting machine. They feed it scraps from the cafe and it mimics the human digestive tract producing shits several times a day!

David Clark That can be a great machine but for me it is not art. It could actually be really useful as a tool for teaching but not some work that expresses the essence of artistic work.

I porcelain framed a masterpiece this morning.

Apparently it is - particularly elephant shit. What a carry-on!

There is a distinction that must be drawn between "art" in terms of culture, and the market surrounding it in terms of dealers, galleries, etc. A lot of modern art is made without the intention of being sold. The book you mentioned is more a criticism, and a fair one at that, at the galleries surrounding the art world. It is by no means a comment on modern art in terms of whether or not it is "good", something which is decided by the people.

Chris Lewis-Jones: Or intelligence versus pretentious, sycophantic idiocy and an overwhelming desire to appear more deep than you actually are by sucking off whatever 'artist' art galleries tell you are good. Not that I think you have the intellectual range of a cactus, of course. I wouldn't want to insult you.

To be fair to Hockney and without trying to sound To pretentious I love the desolation of the paintings it's almost surreal. I would agree some of his work is not amazing though .

I can actually understand it even without being funny, sometimes art is just WHERE it's presented or how it's presented. Not just what it is or how skilled it is.