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Micro Drilling -- Stop Breaking Small Drills !! 

Joe Pie
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This video shows a time tested technique that gives you greater sensitivity and control when drilling extremely small holes on a lathe. If drilling small holes on a lathe makes you nervous, you should check this one out.
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@Karmabim123
@Karmabim123 5 лет назад
An excellent tip, I have done much the same thing myself with a home-made device. I see a few negative comments which are totally uncalled-for, Joe is kind enough to share some good workshop tips, if you don't have a use personally there are plenty who do, don't knock it.
@markhansford178
@markhansford178 2 года назад
I realise that this is an old post but have to say that I completely agree, Joe is a teaching legend! He has a real knack of keeping it interesting and at the same time getting really useful information across. Big thumbs up for the guy 👍
@DieselDog358
@DieselDog358 5 месяцев назад
Hear! Hear!👍
@iankennedy1729
@iankennedy1729 5 лет назад
Thanks very much. I've been in engineering for 50 years and have never seen this trick, not done that much small drilling but enough to know I appreciate your video!
@geordykorte
@geordykorte 2 года назад
I ordered 10 x 0.3mm microbits! After breaking 6 of them I came across this video and built the adapter. I now have two 0.3 mm holes in my project. Thank you for making this video! Greetings from the Netherlands
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad I could help! Did you break any after making the adapter?
@geordykorte
@geordykorte 2 года назад
@@joepie221 None what so ever!
@DancingMachine1
@DancingMachine1 2 года назад
@@geordykorte Wow. Even with that adapter 0.3mm is pretty impressive.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 6 лет назад
As someone else mentioned "There are small chucks that can be bought ready made with a sliding shank and a knurled grip to hold onto so you have feel.". I have one and that certainly has been a life saver - that type does do good in the mill due to its contstruction. Your approach is essentially very similar and a great solution for sure - it is essential to have that 'feel'. I'm sure a good many folks will find that super useful.
@normanfeinberg9968
@normanfeinberg9968 6 лет назад
Thanks Joe.I'm an old guy (72) but still learning,.It never stops until your sucking dirt.,thanks to people like you and the magic of the internet
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
My Father used to say, "A day you don't learn something is a wasted day". The man read and studied right to the end. He was amazing in his quest for education.
@nlo114
@nlo114 6 лет назад
With small drills like that, I usually buy 3: One to lose on the floor, the second to break, and the third to do the job. I now feel confident enough to buy only two, and hopefully not drop either!
@davidburns9580
@davidburns9580 5 лет назад
I thought of this, two seconds after I saw that adapter ... near 80 years old and still learning ... thanks!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
All of Joe's tips are obvious once you've seen them. Before? Not so much.
@PeterWalkeronGoogle
@PeterWalkeronGoogle 6 лет назад
You've helped me meet my goal of learning something new every day. Thanks Peter Walker
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
Thank you for telling me that. Stay tuned.
@alien4x487
@alien4x487 4 года назад
One of my old bosses had a sign in the shop that said "If you don't know what lever A is then leaver B". I learned "the feel" from that guy after he stood behind and watched me try to burn a 3/8" drill bit through a stainless plate at high speed and I do mean Glowing Red with all the force I had in me at the time. Talk about work hardening Hahaaa!! Thankfully, "finesse" as he called it or "the feel" as you say is a skill I was capable of acquiring with a little bit of proper coaching. Cool trick man. Rock on Joe, with your 2017 post I somehow missed? Wtf
@dannyakatrikerred7381
@dannyakatrikerred7381 6 лет назад
On the subject of Tiny Drills, if your bit is too small for the chuck to clamp down on, spiral wrap the drill shank with fine copper wire then put it in the chuck and snug it down tight. Works in a pinch.👍🏻
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
I like that idea. Thanks.
@alexfrizzell9587
@alexfrizzell9587 6 лет назад
GREAT video, been an "old school" machinist for 50+ years and just learned something new......gonna make that adapter today, love it. Thanks
@stevewb1000
@stevewb1000 2 года назад
Thank You Joe ! I really do appreciate all the videos you do . I am hobby machinist , I’ve been a Heavy Equipment mechanic for over 40 years I work for Caterpillar Warrencat . I learn something new everyday . Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and wisdom . Looking forward to learning more from your videos. Sincerely, Steve W Black - Anadarko., Oklahoma
@stevedeep_creek_walla916
@stevedeep_creek_walla916 5 лет назад
Thank you Thank you Thank you Joe. I make small brass parts with small holes drilled deep. No matter how light my touch is on the tailstock crank, the "feel" is zero. From your great vidoe I can see how much quicker and easier it will be with the free sliding chuck. Indeed a "light bulb" moment for this amateur!
@srv3355
@srv3355 3 года назад
That is genius ! But now damn it, its 10:30 at night and I have to go to the shop to make this and play with it !!
@shannonstebbens6992
@shannonstebbens6992 6 лет назад
Another great video. I just completed a wing rack gear out of .375 square X 7" long aluminum. Cross milling with .061 end mill @ .160 intervals, .100 deep over the 7" length. I didn't have the 'feel' and broke three .061 end mills during the process. That FEEL doesn't come cheap. I will be making one of these for my lathe. Thank you.
@BluesDoctor
@BluesDoctor 6 лет назад
I see someone else calls that a sensitive chuck. Had mine given to me by an old machinist who retired and passed many great tools to me. That sensitive chuck adapter saved my goose many times over. I never realized till now how expensive that thing is. A treasured tool because a craftsman gave it to me who I highly respected. I bet those who build your design will have no less a tressured tool. Nothing is more frustrating than fighting and breaking tiny drill bits, unless it's a tiny dull center drill, lol... Another great tip Joe and your right feel is everything for doing good work.
@cwtoyota
@cwtoyota 5 лет назад
Joe, great trick. If you clamp a small V-block on the OD of that female mandrel, you can magnet mount a dial indicator depth.
@bobgarr6246
@bobgarr6246 4 года назад
Aaah grasshopper, this is not a trick, but rather critical thinking and the ability to think outside the box and find simple solutions to complex problems. It comes easy to some, in a MacGyver kind of way, and others can't see the forest for the trees. Bravo to those of us that can size up and quickly find solutions to confounding problems that stump others. Necessity IS the mother of invention !!!
@mikemoore9757
@mikemoore9757 6 лет назад
Joe; talking about "feel" on a larger scale, I read an acticle about building the Alcan highway to Alaska. They interviewed this old bulldozer operator who was operating on a very steep slope. When asked how he knew when he thought his Cat was about to tip over he replied "You got to feel it in your ass". The human body is an amazing thing when it comes to our senses.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
I would not want to try to replicate the perfection of the human body mechanically. Just think about how much is going on when a pencil rolls off your desk and you catch it before it hits the floor. Good luck with that. On a different note, I had the opportunity to scuba dive inside a ship wreck that was just slightly listing to the left on the bottom. As I swam down the hallway, my eyes wanted to swim parallel to the floor because it looked natural, but my equilibrium told me to swim level to the bottom of the ocean. It was a strange sensation to come to a comfortable position and not get sick from the conflict. Thanks for your comment.
@JaakkoF
@JaakkoF 6 лет назад
Reminds me of the japanese "more than a human" show, where an old turnwright drilled a 0.35 mm hole on a normal lathe through a 0.5 mm diameter pencil lead, which was about 50 mm in length. All he said "it is about the feel". My hats off to that guy.
@Desi-qw9fc
@Desi-qw9fc 6 лет назад
Jaakko Fagerlund check out the Japanese series “Extreme Skill!”, you can find episodes on RU-vid. They have a lot of great episodes, including things like making a 3 mm rope they must be capable of lifting a truck, or machining a top that can spin for as long as possible on a 1 cm pedestal.
@darrentiffany9746
@darrentiffany9746 6 лет назад
You're a life saver Joe. I need to drill some 1.2mm holes in 304 stainless and I've been dreading it until I saw this video. Though I'll be doing it on a mill, your comments below to use a micro drill adapter have shown me the way. Thanks!
@richardjones2151
@richardjones2151 6 лет назад
Oh MAN!....you did it again,...I had to stop what I was doing to write this...Sorry for repeating my self mate, but to the likes of me (and I am sure many thousands of others...) this type of generous guidance is so amazingly selfless, and I for one am so grateful for these gems.....I am frustrated that I can't give anything comparable back...Agggh!....Nice one Joe!!!...:-). please keep up this great content; you are some guy:-)
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
Thank you Sir.
@torkeymada
@torkeymada 6 лет назад
Really excellent technique. I have broken many small bits, doing it the wrong way, as you explained. Thanks again
@lisag2771
@lisag2771 3 года назад
Joe I made the tool to drill .040 holes in 2 orifice I made of brass. It worked great. 👍🏻. Thanks!
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Nice work!
@mauricedelarosa6928
@mauricedelarosa6928 4 года назад
Hi Joe, I'm a freelance engineer working in the medical device space and over the years and out of necessity I've become something of a hack 'machinist'. I took machining classes in college but they were only good enough for me to know the basics of how to operate a lathe and mill. The rest of what I've learned has come from OJT. I've been fortunate to pick up some very useful techniques from machinists at places I've worked, but when I started my own company, I often had to develop my own methods because there was no one around to ask and at the time, youtube had more cat videos than useful content. Since youtube has matured, the world is fortunate to have several content providers who've made the rest of us homeshoppers and hacks into much better 'machinists'. As I've surfed youtube, I've run across a handful of content providers that I've found useful, but your content is top-notch. Your videos stand out because you provide tips and techniques that are clearly driven by a real pro who needs dead-nuts reliable techniques that don't break tools, make setup straightforward and easy, and make money. I admit that you can be a little tough for me to follow the first (or second!) time through, but nothing I can't eventually figure out. Thanks for all the content you provide. I'll be working my way through your catalog of videos to see what new and useful things I can add to my 'toolbox' of techniques.
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
My business was born out of the need for specialized Knee and Hip instrumentation. I am a former associate knee product development engineer for Zimmer. What field are you in?
@mauricedelarosa6928
@mauricedelarosa6928 4 года назад
@@joepie221 I'm in the minimally invasive space, and over the years I've ended up dealing in vascular, peripheral, neuro and structural heart applications. My belief is that in my niche, it's important to have control over the means of fabrication - it just wouldn't be practical from a cost, timeline, and iteration standpoint to send everything out. And because I'm a freelancer, that means I'm the designer AND the machinist. Somehow a lot of my designs utilize really small holes
@tomsmith3045
@tomsmith3045 4 года назад
There's showing a trick (new technique), and there's showing how and why it works. Without the how and why, it's just a one off thing, and hit or miss technique. The explanation of why it works makes all the difference. Thanks!
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
i like the theory part as well. it helps drive home the practical part of the demonstration. Thanks for the comment.
@michaelegan6092
@michaelegan6092 4 года назад
I'm a turner,miller but before that worked as an engineers storeman. While I was there I perused a tap and die catologue and saw that as regular stock they could supply a 4 thousandths of an inch (one tenth of a millimetre) tap with 318 teeth per inch. I would have crapped myself if I was told to use one. It's another world.
@rolandocrisostomo2003
@rolandocrisostomo2003 4 года назад
Awesome, I always have that problem of breaking the tiny brill. Thank you.
@junkmail4613
@junkmail4613 3 года назад
Genius!!!. I used to say, "Let the material, and the bit TELL YA WHAT TO DO." My machinist boss just shook his head, incredulous. Yet it worked. Thanks for REPROVING IT!
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
The boss isn't always the smartest guy in the shop.
@kennethnevel3263
@kennethnevel3263 3 года назад
Some times the guy that becomes the boss is the guy that is taking all the time and not working much , so if that guy gets the boss job then there is no lose in perduction , if a good worker gets moved up perduction will go down and may take 2 or 3 people to replace that good worker .
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 2 года назад
@@kennethnevel3263 unfortunately. They should be let go,in my opinion.
@RWBHere
@RWBHere 6 лет назад
My Dad used exactly that method for scratch building small scale model compressed air-driven engines, for longer than I can remember. I never saw him break a drill bit in over 50 years. Thanks for highlighting it.
@johnw.peterson4311
@johnw.peterson4311 5 лет назад
Joe, simple yet brilliant. Thank you sir.
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 лет назад
New here, the micro drill title caught our attention because well we are micro machinists so your 26 thousands just under 6.5 mm for us as watchmakers we do millimeter more often. I hope my micro drill press does not begin to stall out here at 6.5 mm as that is really large for us. Just funin, you are good.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
To correct you, 26 thousands is not just under 6.5mm. Its about 3/4 of 1mm. .026, not .260
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 лет назад
@@joepie221 Thank you that is what I get for trying to convert inches to my mm's, thank you for correcting me.
@lifuranph.d.9440
@lifuranph.d.9440 5 лет назад
@@ActiveAtom You aren't the first...nor the last.
@robertlawson8572
@robertlawson8572 5 лет назад
But it is, to all intents and purposes, 0.65mm, so he got his decimal point out by one place. I'm sure that would have become obvious if he ever had to perform the task in reality... At one shop I worked at, a guy converted a dimension wrongly, from metric to the inches he was so much more familiar with, and we ended up with a roomful of aircraft spec light alloy billets, all 5mm, or a little over 3/16" too short for the task... @@joepie221
@merlinmagnus873
@merlinmagnus873 6 лет назад
I have one of the commercial ones but I like your's as well. Mine is keyed for use on a mill with a free spinning collar to push on. Your design is better on the lathe because you also get feedback on how much bite the bit has. I've snapped several bits on mine. Looks like I'll be making a new tool. Thanks for sharing.
@michaelsavage1241
@michaelsavage1241 6 лет назад
Absolute Great Video Joe!!!! I'm into Clock Repair and I think You Just solved a huge problem. Some guys hold the bit freehand in a pin vice because they're afraid of snapping it. I can't see how that can give you any kind of close tolerance. Your method eliminates that freehand wobble. Thanks Again!!
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
The theory can be applied many ways. It gives great feedback for small holes. You'll like it.
@thisissoeasy
@thisissoeasy 6 лет назад
How clever is that? - Brilliant trick. Thank you for sharing...
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
You'll like it once you try it. Great tool feedback.
@frankromero4048
@frankromero4048 4 года назад
I always buy cobalt micro drill bits. They work good in a pin vice also
@drumlover1687
@drumlover1687 6 лет назад
Joe, I made the same type of adapter sleeve as you when I was working as a journeyman machinist for a 2 piece D&I sanitary steel food can plant. The D&I bodymakers worked on hydrostatic principles and required small jets made from 1/4 -20 x 1/4 stainless cup point set screws at the various pressure points on the machine. The holes varied in size anywhere from .014 to .036 to control the static and dynamic pressures required at that point. Long story short, the sleeve does a great job of being able to allow you to feel what the drill is doing in the material. I'm 57, and I remember being told when I was a green apprentice about learning to develop" a good feel". Another good video Joe.And I hope the younger guys appreciate these tips because you pay for this experience with your life.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
Very true. Thanks for the comment.
@oxtruck8054
@oxtruck8054 3 года назад
Brother, I watched this 4 times because I love the ingenuity. Awesome.
@robgoodsight6216
@robgoodsight6216 3 года назад
...."...all I got"...this is excellent!!!
@MrMazhar8551
@MrMazhar8551 3 года назад
Thanks Joe, For an excellent suggestion. Would it also help to put the bit further into the chuck and then gradually draw it out as you progress with the drilling
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Absolutely
@collinbarry7139
@collinbarry7139 2 года назад
Hey this is something I needed yesterday! I was putting an oil pass on a rifle! I am an gunsmith hobby wise!! Both of my grandfathers were machinist and I learned a lot from my dads father I didn’t get to meet the other!! This is a valuable trade and I have loved it for 40 years!!! Thanks
@dogshouse1
@dogshouse1 4 года назад
A mill/drill version of this micro drill does exist. Years ago I made one for our tool room before we found out we could buy one. The micro drill chuck in this video can be upgraded fairly easily. 1. cut a key slot in the shank. 2.drill and tap the outer sleeve, the female part or adapter, on center and near the open end and install 'dog' tip set screw. The dog end set screw is used to drive the chuck but still allow the shank to extend and retract. 3. Cut a small groove for a snap ring about 1/4 inch rom the back of the chuck. this will hold a 'finger ring', basically just a washer, that you hold to control the depth. Here is a store bought adapter that uses a key and slot. Hopefully there is enough info between my quick explanation and the pic to make your own!
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
As I have commented before, the keyed mill versions of this concept will not allow you to let go and have the chuck spin if the drill starts to bind.
@escapelevel1
@escapelevel1 3 года назад
Not in a million years would I have thought of that!
@StormDweller
@StormDweller 3 года назад
Genious method! Thanks
@arcanix51
@arcanix51 6 лет назад
this little trick is quite useful. made one of these in tradeschool. all my class mates thought i was a fool for wasting so much time getting the fit just right. ...and then they had to drill a wire size hole. boy did they all come to me!
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
Rent it...don't loan it. just sayin
@tompuckett9937
@tompuckett9937 2 месяца назад
Really a super video again Joe!!! I’ve always been super fortunate to have use of Hardinge HLVH SUPER PRECISION lathes.wherever I was employed. Not much of a machine for medium to large parts, but for small to micro parts nothing could compare! The tail stock was a monster to remove from the lathe, but for small hole drilling in most materials I think anyone could be a master machinist in no time. I had one of the precision drill chucks you mentioned and the smallest hole I ever drilled was .005” and only .020” deep in aluminum. Luckily the lathe spindle speed was 3,000 rpm. The surprising thing to me was I actually preferred to drill 304 stainless. Every time when drilling, I’d get the most beautiful two chips coming out of the hole. I was surprised how much force I was putting on the drill without it breaking! Thanks so much Joe for your always interesting machining videos.
@martyzielinski2469
@martyzielinski2469 3 года назад
Sherline has a “sensitive drilling attachment for doing this with THEIR MINIATURE HOBBYIST MILLING MACHINE. (The drill spins, but you feed manually in a similar manner). I think the Sherline unit cost around a hundred bucks....
@mikeschmidt7980
@mikeschmidt7980 4 года назад
Cool, never seen that before
@jimmilne19
@jimmilne19 6 лет назад
I have a customer I have had to disappoint because the job involved drilling a 2mm hole 170mm deep in steel (for a special firing pin to slide through). Now I have your technique and will build the adapter and try it. It would be a victory for me to be able to do this job. It has bothered me for a year now. Thanks for the super videos you produce, and this one not least!
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 6 лет назад
2 mm is more than 3 times the diameter of this bit. You'll have to give it a try, but it may be too big to do this with? 170 mm is also really deep too. Your typical 2 mm jobber twist drill is not even a quarter that long. It would be quite a feat to get a straight bore that diameter, that depth.
@puddingpimp
@puddingpimp 6 лет назад
Sinker EDM or some 2mm capillary tube with diamond abrasive glued on the end and trued up. You might have to reapply and true the abrasive several times to get to depth. The key to both of these techniques is they remove the random tangent force that will bend a twist drill off axis.
@TeamDoc312
@TeamDoc312 5 лет назад
When I was in the Air Force in the early 80's my shop chief taught me how to do this. Great to see it's making the rounds again!
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Maybe I taught him how to do it. ya never know.
@willyvonbusche729
@willyvonbusche729 4 года назад
So, if you can't afford a lathe you can't drill tiny holes, is that it? Brilliant idea though. Thanks for sharing.
@richbiebeljr5273
@richbiebeljr5273 4 года назад
Nice trick. I work with stainless every day. Sure does test my patience
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
Yes it does!
@StevenCampbell1955
@StevenCampbell1955 3 месяца назад
It is a wasted day when you don't learn something new. Thank you. I must have broken many small drills in my life without realising it was an easy fix.
@Quilbily
@Quilbily Год назад
I just used your technique and it worked great. Thanks, I didn't know what I was going to do, my drill was a .040" so bigger than yours but I couldn't have done it without you.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Год назад
Glad it helped!
@rominhawk3949
@rominhawk3949 3 года назад
Super method. Wow, that is a great solution; much appreciate your sharing it. Thank you. Just curious; what's the tolerance between the drill chuck shank and the cylinder holding it? Thanks
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
About .0005". Close enough that the air hole in the arbor is a must or it won't go in.
@techpriest1014
@techpriest1014 5 лет назад
being a swiss apprentice micromecanician i can understand why you would have some difficulties with drilling that small of a hole with such a lathe so good job but if you take the good machine for the good job you'd have no problem drilling this hole, for example the smallest hole i ever drilled with a lathe was 0.2mm on a schaublin 70 lathe the hole ended up being 0.215mm in diameter but i was in my tolerance so the job was done
@Boabreath
@Boabreath 5 лет назад
Agreed, 1350 RPM is way too slow for the drill bit he's using - but that's probably about as fast as that lathe will spin. At a speed of 50 sfm (recommended for stainless), a .026" drill should be turning around 7500 RPM!
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
It sounds to me like you are a CNC lathe guy. If the feed isn't perfectly inline with the RPM, this drill wouldn't last a minute at that speed. Obviously my RPM was fine for the process because it works perfectly. Every time.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
I also see you are a ST subscriber. Ask DB to do this at 7500 rpm by hand and get back to me.
@vikramkumar1833
@vikramkumar1833 5 лет назад
Bryan rou I have to drill 0.32mm diameter drill. Depth is 12mm.Material is EN31 fully annealed . Can you suggest better way than hand drilling? Vikram mefavkd@hotmail.com
@crustyolcoot6646
@crustyolcoot6646 4 года назад
Thanks Joe. I trained as a machinist yet have never been shown this. You’re up there with the best mate and I appreciate your time. Cheers mate.
@2011zurich
@2011zurich 4 года назад
Thank you, from the UK. So many micro drills I've broken over the years, and had no idea about this setup!
@CrimeVid
@CrimeVid 3 года назад
That is clever, I don’t have a lathe for metal. but still interesting.
@deaultusername
@deaultusername 5 лет назад
Stick a small digital caliper along the adapter and have a accurate depth gauge.
@EPaulIII
@EPaulIII 2 года назад
Looks like a great tool and technique. The idea of rotating the work while holding the drill bit still is great. It solves much of the complication of making a sensitive drilling attachment. Of course it does limit you to drilling holes on parts that can be held in the lathe chuck. I followed a link to this video from a question on the PM board about using a 0.004" drill bit. I have used a 1/64" bit (0.0156") in my Unimat lathe and in the drill press configuration of that machine with NO problems. So 0.026" does not worry me in the least unless it is a cheap, poorly made bit. I have even used a pin vise for drilling 1/32" holes (0.0312") holes in softer materials by hand with no problems. The pin vise allows me to rotate the drill bit using my thumb and forefinger, without moving my hand. That eliminates the movement that other hand held methods will allow and which causes the drill bits to break. The 1/32" and 1/64" bits in my shop are both around 40+ years old and have at least a dozen holes behind each of them. I haven't broken them yet. Now that 0.004" bit does make me pause a bit but I will make a note to get one and try that using this technique some time soon. As an additional note, I would not try this with my SB-9 even though it has very little runout. The Unimat can run at 7,500 and perhaps even 10,000 RPM while the SB is limited to about 3,000.
@rdhem2
@rdhem2 6 лет назад
You're the best. Cut to the chase and explain it out in a way another mechanic can understand. Best to you and your's for the Holiday Season.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
Thank you. Have a great Holiday season as well.
@kernalkorn1514
@kernalkorn1514 3 года назад
You're absolutely right about the 'feel' of the drilling/cutting. Once you've lost the feel, you've lost your drill bit!
@KD0CAC
@KD0CAC 3 года назад
I didn't remember watching . My only complaint is I can't leave a 2nd LIKE ;)
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
I appreciate that.
@MattysWorkshop
@MattysWorkshop 5 лет назад
Thank you very much Joe, bloody life saver, I’m sick of breaking small drills and more sick having to go to the shops and spend the money to keep replacing them, thanks again mate 👌🏼
@michaelb4060
@michaelb4060 6 лет назад
I use the same technique in a milling machine and lathe to tap small holes. It keeps the tap lined up while allowing you to feel when the chips are building up or bind so you don't snap the fragile small taps. I have never used it to drill small holes on a lathe, but now I will. Thanks.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
You'll like the feedback and sensitivity.
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella 6 лет назад
I've seen and copied a much larger version intended for safely tapping LARGE holes in a lathe, but still with the feel you get by hand. It's based on a long hollow quill which slides on the _outside_ of the tailstock barrel, with a 3/4" Jacobs Superchuck (a keyed, ball bearing chuck which can grip almost like a collet) at the front end. A go-kart wheel bolted to the back end enables the operator to push the tap into engagement and then, using both hands, safely resist the torque of a big tap even in a blind hole. Just keep your thumbs clear of where the spokes will spin if the tap jams or bottoms! It's lapped to a neat fit on the barrel so it slides nicely and permits the tap to self feed. When you reverse out you can speed things up by also spinning the wheel in reverse. Works a treat up to M16 or 5/8-11" in steel, or with serial taps in stainless. Also down to M4.
@jamescapatch4783
@jamescapatch4783 4 года назад
Genius! I do work on musical instruments and use these sizes all the time. Do you have any tips regarding small drills straight into the sides of curved steel? Usually working with steel cylinders OD .085, drilling holes at right angles with a .020-.035 drill and reaming after. I would love to hear your thoughts on reducing walk, getting perfectly centered holes, and getting precise distance measurements between holes.
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
If possible, make a hollow guide that your tube fits into. This guide should have the hole through it the size of your tube, and a cross hole just like you want in your part. The main hole keeps the tube located, and the cross hole "guide hole" keeps the small drill from walking when it hits the actual part.
@jamescapatch4783
@jamescapatch4783 4 года назад
Joe Pieczynski thanks so much! That is the best method that has ever been suggested to me. We all have basic machining skills, but the practical problem solving stuff can sometimes be elusive. Love your vids, the threading techniques are ace.
@Phantom-mk4kp
@Phantom-mk4kp 5 лет назад
Great video. Can you tell me what material the drill was made of, seemed to have no problem cutting
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Most of my small drill are Cobalt.
@edsmith2562
@edsmith2562 6 лет назад
Always a pleasure Joe. I could have bet you while you in the office at the beginning of your video, exactly what it was that you showed us here. It is kind of you to share, I recall how selfish 'some' of those crotchety old timers could be back when I was an an apprentice. However in '78, I took a job in a tool room at a stamping company, and I was lucky enough to work for a journeyman that was a lot like you. Thanks.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
I looked up to the guy that trained me. Chet Z. a fellow Pollock from NJ.
@DoRC
@DoRC 6 лет назад
I think "the feel" is different for everyone and mostly gets learned from many many mistakes and remembering what things felt like right before they happened. Ive been a mechanic for 15 years and through all the experience I can tighten a bolt to within a reasonable torque and can tell when a bolts going to snap (usually) long before it does. I definitely agree that kind of thing can't be taught.
@dwrr4868
@dwrr4868 4 года назад
Mmm, What about drilling a .5mm hole 3" long on brass rod..What type of bit would you use?
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
I'd use several and start from both sides. Finish with a reamer if possible.
@mainarbor8416
@mainarbor8416 5 лет назад
I'm a Watchmaker. That drill bit is fairly large to me.
@mainarbor8416
@mainarbor8416 5 лет назад
www.testntools.co.nz/desic-tungsten-micro-drill-bits-0.3mm-3.1mm-5-pack.html
@MatthewHolevinski
@MatthewHolevinski 5 лет назад
I know what you mean, my grandpa the clockmaker, and nationwide clock repairman for montgomery wards did all his practically microscopic hole drilling by hand.
@mainarbor8416
@mainarbor8416 5 лет назад
@@MatthewHolevinski that is still a standard method. My grandfather and father had contracts with the Railroad until they went to Satalite. I'd like to add we use an abrasive piece of Corundum to shape, harden, and polish high carbon steel 0.002mm/min material displacement on average sized conical pivots for the balance staff on modern Watches creating super hardened mirrored surfaces. The larger size balance pivots on an 18 size Elgin pocket watch are typically between 0.11mm and .014mm. In Jeweled mechanisms (7j-21j) those pivots also glide on a Corundum surface that is also drilled. Corundum is the same composition as Ruby and Sapphire with a hardness of 9 on the Mohs scale. Gypsum is a 1 and Diamond is a 10. Ps. It is rare but Diamond jewels have also been used. Naturally Diamond is also the abrasive used in such drilling applications. The drill bit looks like a hair with a double heli and the diamond "slurry" is a fine powder added with oil. I typically only need a 20%mm dia 3.8mm long Tungsten Carbide HHS bit for small brass pivot holes www.mikrontool.com/en/Products/CrazyDrill-Flex/Description I also drill by hand using a "Steaking Tool" to stay perpendicular to the plates.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 4 года назад
As you said, a very old trick, but one of which many today seem unaware..... During WW2 my mother used to make welding tips in a factory in London using a similar method. She got extra wages because her production rate was high and she never broke drills.
@randallshular5362
@randallshular5362 6 лет назад
That is a Springleaf great idea. I'm tired of breaking small bits I'm going to make one of these thanks
@oldmaninthecave
@oldmaninthecave 5 лет назад
Brilliant!!
@HordurMar
@HordurMar 5 лет назад
This video is 10 times longer than it needs to be.
@leyburnhealeyman
@leyburnhealeyman 4 года назад
Maybe not, some people still don't get it!
@karlphilipp93
@karlphilipp93 6 лет назад
so simple, yet brilliant!
@anthonycash4609
@anthonycash4609 6 лет назад
Un freaking believable , my dad would have really liked you. Unfortunately he passed in 1992. His favorite saying or nick name for me was POWDER PUFF. Lol. Unfortunately I bared that nick name for years as a young lad. He would always tell me I could take a powder puff and beat a anvil to death. I'm ding laughing as I type this. He would always tell me it isn't how quick you could get there it's how gracious you can arrive. If a job is worth doing it's worth doing right the first time or don't do it at all. Keep the videos coming you always seem to amaze me with your way of overcoming a problem. I now have another new tool to make.
@joepie221
@joepie221 6 лет назад
I lost my Dad a few years back as well. An awesome Dad is something to be treasured. Yours sounded like he has his priorities inline with his philosophies. Thanks for the comment.
@bobhoseman
@bobhoseman 5 лет назад
i drill very small holes in tool steel alot at my job and I just rest my finger on the drill so i can feel it cutting and if it bows at all , say today 12 hole bolt circle thru a2 with a 1/16 drill thru 1.500 of material 12 times 1 drill no breaks ,I have been a tool maker for 40 years and my supervisor who is not a tool maker today tells me not to let him see me doing this again it is a safety hazzard I have been doing this over 30 plus yrs. Broke alot of drills before I found what works and it works for me never an injury .I keep my rpms at between 700 800 and it cuts like butter everyone else is breaking drills running way high rpms and ,like you said no feel..I got angry being told how to do my job by someone that doesn,t know my Job, and this man thinks it,s ok for a toolmaker to try to drill thru steel at 900 rpm,s with a 5/8 drill it was screaming I backed way off waiting for it to grab and shatter the drill sending fragments like bullets thru the air ,,,,wow I was told people have different ways of doing things ,hello yes sir right and wrong. thanks for letting me vent and I hope you answer to this as you said the drill is so small my finger is like leather after 40 yrs. doing this ,would I rest it on a 1/4 drill at 600 700 rpms hell know it would tear my skin off ,,,please reply Sir.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Machining is an art and the appreciation of feedback. Sound, color, smell machine tone changes...everything is a message for those willing to listen. It a shame when a company hires a degree to run a shop where hands are the best tools. Ask your genius boss to demonstrate his preferred technique next time he opens his mouth. Problem solved.
@amanofmanyparts9120
@amanofmanyparts9120 4 года назад
This reminds me of the old joke about a drilling competition between the USA and Soviet Russia back before laser drilling was a thing: It goes that the USA sent a drill bit, measure in microns, to their Russian counterparts that was "the smallest possible dill bit in the World". Days later the Russians returned it with a hole drilled through the centre of it along with the bit used still a sliding fit in the hole!
@markmall7142
@markmall7142 4 года назад
A story exists that Germany did that with Japan .
@1ton4god
@1ton4god 4 года назад
Thank you Joe. I bought that lathe and that Mill. Bolt the Bolton lathe and the Grizzly g705 drill Mill. I gave 1700 for both of them. They're like new I'll be doing a video on them, they're still sitting on a pallets, because he had moved and the shipping company put them on pallets before you moved so they are still on pallets in my garage. I'm trying to figure out where to put them. Thank you for all your help in purchasing them.
@springwoodcottage4248
@springwoodcottage4248 6 лет назад
So fabulous. I have struggled to make 0.6 mm clearance holes for copper mig welding tips due to breaking drills. The tips are not that expensive to buy, but I have several times needed one when the shops were shut & could not make one. Next time I will try your super useful method. Thank you for sharing!
@scottburrous2375
@scottburrous2375 6 лет назад
Springwood Cottage: Forethought and planning has to do with having spare consumables. Kinda like starting a weld fab with only 5 feet of wire left on the spool - just saying... could also drill out your 0.023 or 0.030 tip to 0.045, in a pinch.
@springwoodcottage4248
@springwoodcottage4248 6 лет назад
Scott Burrous Yes, being organised is best, but as a one man operation I often have to fix things that break in use, often weeks or months between needing to weld, then back to what ever the broken part stopped. Being able to repair tools has often got me going far more quickly than getting new and with welding tips I often burn the wire back into them till I get back to the feel of the welder for the gauge I am at as it's so long between use and on various gauges from car bodies to 3/8 inch.
@BobDarlington
@BobDarlington 4 года назад
You can do this with a mill. You need a sensitive drill attachment. It's roughly the same setup, but the drill is spinning and you grab the chuck by a ring that spins on bearings.www.msdiscounttool.com/catalog/product_info.php?csv=gg&products_id=105401&gclid=Cj0KCQjww7HsBRDkARIsAARsIT4gMT3c3RQA5VMN7I1kuGrmW6OWlKt2JMeE8GzT1CvNAgU5r--PNXwaAlbvEALw_wcB
@reltub20001
@reltub20001 4 года назад
Bob Darli. The only thing I found wrong with the posred website for the attachment is that only in the state of California, the product has material that may cause cancer. All of the other 49 states and the rest of the world can use this product without worry. What can the Californians use?? 😃😃😃
@koitorob
@koitorob 6 лет назад
So, the secret to not break your little drill bits is to buy a lathe...
@RayLautenschlager
@RayLautenschlager 6 лет назад
There are small chucks that can be bought ready made with a sliding shank and a knurled grip to hold onto so you have felt. I had a customer that did micro drilling in the .003 range. He drilled a human hair Aand ran a wire thru it to prove that he did it. His comment was always "Figure out how I fixtured it."
@jaswmclark
@jaswmclark 4 года назад
I made my own by chucking a piece of brass in the tailstock and drilling and reaming to match the straight shank chuck with the drill and reamer in the headstock. It has been in my toolbox for 55 years.
@rukeyser
@rukeyser 3 года назад
Broke 3 tiny bits before looking. Bring on the names - just want to make TINY holes in 1/4” vintage OAK... Uh oh. Did he say lathe. WELL *P00P* !! I’m talkin hand drill and Wood, so I can put in fine brass nail. darn it.
@Uniquettt
@Uniquettt 3 года назад
I use a Amtech R0279 Mini Craft Hand Drill but it doesn't always get positive revues but I have had and used mine for more than ten years. I brake the odd bit still now and then but light pressure and less speed gets the job done and fewer broke A normal hand drill is heavy pushing down on the small bit but the Amtech is plastic with a brass chuck and he did say lathe but I found my self hear by accident too. To make fine holes in wood you could try using a pin push Expo 2mm Pin pusher - ideal for Amati and Peco pins # 75110
@CountDoucheula
@CountDoucheula 3 года назад
Have you tried an Archimedes drill? Gives you much greater control over twist speed & pressure for small jobs. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUALITY-ARCHIMEDES-PUMP-ACTION-PIN-DRILL-Precision-Model-Pinning-Hand-Tool-/172537853411?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
@davidgrover5996
@davidgrover5996 3 года назад
I have put a drill bit in a pin vice and drilled it by hand. It takes forever but it might work for you.
@therealfearsome
@therealfearsome 3 года назад
"feel"=trigger time...nothing replaces time in the seat
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Thats a fact.
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof 4 года назад
Don't even know how I ended up here but that was brill! Such a simple idea but I would never have given it a second thought. Thanks for sharing
@carbtech4991
@carbtech4991 4 года назад
I have a similar tool made by Rutland that utilizes a Jacobs #0 chuck that closes to 0 on a spring-loaded shaft. I'm in the carburetor business and use it frequently on my miniature Sherline lathe which is smaller than your tailstock. Thank you for your video
@laserfalcon
@laserfalcon 3 года назад
I guarantee that twist bit didnt come from harbor freight
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
You would be correct.
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 2 года назад
No😂😂
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 2 года назад
@@joepie221 what maker of drills do you use?
@learnerlearns
@learnerlearns 6 лет назад
Excellent tip! I wonder if mosquitoes find this pornographic? ;-)
@donpeterson9282
@donpeterson9282 6 лет назад
Great idea. I have an application for this at the present time. It will save me purchasing many 1/16 ths drills.
@richardfuhr7165
@richardfuhr7165 6 лет назад
Love your videos Joe. I tell all the new guys I work with in the directional drilling business you can't teach experience. You showing us all techniques and the why make your videos priceless. Thank you for all you do (even with the Hookem Horns) from an Okie.
@PanamaSticks
@PanamaSticks 5 лет назад
A bigger problem is if your tailstock center is not online with the headstock axis, a drill will break off. Our secondary operation lathe has no adjustments for setting the height and position of the tail stock. I had to drill a bunch of .007' holes To me, .026 is HUGE.
@machinist7230
@machinist7230 5 лет назад
I've seen this trick before, but never held in a drill chuck. What seems to work well is to but y a Morse taper blank, putting it in the tailstock, marking orientation of the blank, and then drilling and reaming a hole in using tools held in the work holding chuck. It eliminates any off centeredness of the tailstock, both laterally and vertically.
@ageanageanic280
@ageanageanic280 5 лет назад
what sort of bit did you use to drill 0.007 holes?
@jameskerns717
@jameskerns717 5 лет назад
So, you used digital control for the drill... :-)
@lifuranph.d.9440
@lifuranph.d.9440 5 лет назад
James I had to think on this one. HaHa!
@santopezzotti730
@santopezzotti730 3 года назад
Thanks as a 71 year old newbie what a pleasure watching your Chanel.
@Paddington60
@Paddington60 6 лет назад
WoW! Such a simple idea but oh so very useful!!
@garyalford9394
@garyalford9394 2 года назад
Too bad we don't all have lathes !
@bobf12
@bobf12 3 года назад
If you have a lathe you could make this tool out of scrap. Cost would be almost zero.
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
I did.
@xenuno
@xenuno 3 года назад
@@joepie221 Yours has a hand clutch perfect for a lathe .. the McMaster doesn't from what I can tell but would be fab for drill press. Well done.
@paulwomack5866
@paulwomack5866 3 года назад
Since the tool is used on the lathe, if you need the tool, you have a lathe!
@kennethnevel3263
@kennethnevel3263 3 года назад
You will not be using this if you don't have a lathe . So you should be able to make one some how to do this .
@johnbodmer5645
@johnbodmer5645 4 года назад
I made one like that some time ago. I bought one those $150 jobbies, but it had too much runout. I took the chuck off and made a sliding adapter like yours. Works great.
@Matteotheoneandonly
@Matteotheoneandonly 6 лет назад
Joe Pie at it again, never seen this before. You bet I'll be using it when the time comes.
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