A microrig for a citizen makes 1000x more sense than full on battle armor, I will definitely say that much. Most citizens carry way way more gear than they could possibly carry in an operational environment without quickly becoming a heat or RSI casualty.
No doubt. Nothing wrong with a full plate carrier at home if you’re concerned with TEOTWAKI, but a light weight way to carry a couple mags is all that is really necessary day-to-day. Speed of getting it on is paramount in my opinion. Lots of cover in most urban/suburban environments. Considering a double rifle mag on a paddle setup I can jam in my belt line (even on the run) and go.
@@donalddicorcia2433 but for the price you're paying to have a 3 or 4 magazine capacity chest rig that doesn't really have a lot of ability to scale up, you could kit out 2-3 LBE with more capacity or different capacity by just changing some molle pouches. it makes no sense for 1 guy to have a $200 micro rig when he could have an lbe with 2, double mag pouches for like $40 and the ability to add more pouches to hold 12 mags, and if you're trying to outfit a group it makes even less sense.
The modularity of the D3CRM is one big selling point for me. I can use the same rig for my AR-15 or my AR-10. Just swap out the mag pouch inserts for the different caliber mags. I can also strip out the mag pouches and load up some tall cans in there while I am snowboarding. Ye'nno, very mission dependate.
The problem with anything haley puts his name on is copied from someone else. I also remember when he got super butthurt when I said esstac makes a better kydex insert which they got the idea for from old eagle ind pistol pouches. He called the owners kydex huffers in a garage, meanwhile all the gram was lashing was esstac and I would hardly ever see anything of his hot mess.
I like micro rigs. They are nice to conceal in a vehicle or in a bedroom for a just in case kinda piece of kit. I like my plate carriers and my load bearing vests, but they aren't always practical. Same goes for a battle belt. I find micro rigs and battle belts way more practical than a load bearing vest or a plate carrier. The only reason I invested in a plate carrier was due to the corona lock downs and I had it ready to go when the riots hit. Granted those are rare but extreme circumstances, but for a random gunman, or the like, a micro chest rig or battle belt just makes more sense to me. For long range shooting, I always prefer my battle belt, more comfortable to lay prone and it's easier for me to store ammo/magazines in a side pouch and reload then to reach under my chest. Good video, I think your opinion made perfect sense and appreciate the time you put in to make the video.
I see it as this: The reason you use a chest rig is because you need it to be lighter than a plate carrier. Generally when you want it to be light it’s because you’re going far, meaning you’ll need water and food. This will most likely be stored in a backpack. So throw your mags in your backpack. 120 rounds semi auto is a lot. If you fire all of that and you’re still alive you’re most likely in a covered or concealed location and can drop ruck to both get a better rest for you gun, and to replenish mags.
Late to the party, but I can't see where your typical civilian (or even small group) will be in a position of NEEDING 3-4 magazines of rifle ammo and being able to survive that fight. I like the micro rigs because if I'm in a horrible situation that I need this stuff, I intend to evade, not fight, and these provide enough in case I have to fight without weighing a ton.
The first thing I will say is "Gloves". Protecting your hands is as important as your feet, you are wearing socks . Right? As far as micro plate carrier systems go, yes and no. It's much like the eternal ballistics argument with 5.56 and 7.62, 45 vs 9mm and SBR's etc. There are so many variables, one can hardly cover them all. From a practical standpoint, every mission is different and has specific objectives. Many people are not aware that in the field big Army and the Corps. get resupply fairly often, so a short duration patrol, or an ambush does not require full battle rattle. However, either of the above tasks can go from this, to that, in very short order. In the field it's all about meeting your objective and having the kit to get you A to B and back. Naked and afraid shows that some can starve for 21 days, but when you factor in someone actively trying to hunt and end you, your whole world is now a cluster. The reality is that warfare sucks! Full stop. The most important thing to have on any battlefield is Intel. This information has a direct impact on what you do, and how you do it in your area of operations. In the end, it matters little what kit you have Crye, Condor, BFG etc. If you are not fit, and do not train on the regular you are little more than a semi mobile logistics mule, and I will appreciate your carrying extra gear for me to scavenge. That's just my .2 cents.
My IRL experience with chest rigs tends to be in extreme weather conditions and recon type missions. My unit was focused on potential conflict in SE Asia so all our operations were training for ourselves or us training other nations militaries. When doing ops in tropical jungles the heat and humidity is brutal, it gets to the point that armor means heat exhaustion and heat strokes. We always moved our gear over from our plate carriers (PCs) to our Load Bearing Vests (LBVs) and belts because armor became a death sentence. On my belt, I typically kept my dump pouch, IFAK, admin pouch, and holster if I had a handgun issued to me at the time. That means the only thing on my PC/LBV was usually my 3 dual mag pouches, 2 grenade pouches and a hydration bag. That is essentially a micro rigs worth of gear plus my belt for a full load out. Given the set up of my D3CRM with an admin pouch built into the rig, I have some extra mag pouches on my personal belt to offset only being able to carry 3 in the chest rig. On my personal PC I have the adapters to attach the D3CRM so I can quickly roll between being armored to being lighter and cooler for extreme heat. On the opposite side, being extreme cold I run into a slightly different issues. I run my PC fairly tight so I can only fit thin warming layers and maybe a hoodie underneath. It gets down to -40 and colder in winters where I live now so that's not enough, especially if you aren't running around. Having my PC over only a couple layers with an easily adjustable chest rig allows me to keep my PC tight enough to run and move as needed while keeping my kit on the outermost layer at all times given I will need to shed and add layers throughout the day. The other main benefit is being light and mobile while on reconnaissance missions. Sometimes we'd send small teams ahead or in rural areas to hard to reach places that required scaling cliffs or other rough terrain. When in urban settings we needed to be able to sprint as fast as we could if we were found, not be able to stay and fight as we typically didn't have QRF in those scenarios. We usually went slick, or with what ever was on our belts if we chose to wear one, but those interfered with running more than a chest rig does. We didn't have time to move gear over to an LBV in those circumstances but if we had current chest rigs that allowed for quick removal and attachment we could have had some extra mags and NVGs (night vision was typically stored in the admin pouch during the day) for a worst case scenario which would have been nice. Civilian side chest rigs are incredibly easy to store in a backpack with basic equipment incase of largescale, and now more frequent riots/civil disorder occurring throughout metropolitan areas across the US.
@Power to the people You sound like someone who lives in a high crime area that's desensitized to how bad it has been in some parts of the U.S. Also incase you didn't pick up on me speaking in the past tense, I stopped working for the government a while ago. At the time I made the original comment I had recently stopped working in a major city by me that has had frequent low level riots and mass acts of violence. It was a legitimate concern of my self and coworkers. Friends of mine had to stay late/sleep at work because it wasn't safe for them to leave until the following morning. That was a very real concern at the time, and probably will be again in the future.
Is a soft kevlar vest and a light high-cut helmet doable in the jungle/swamp Gotta have something to stop secondary frag. My theory here is that most drone-frags and autonomous loitering munitions will hit the canopy, so most of the frag will be wood splinters from above. Then there's the threat posed by remote landmines... Kevlar blankets should become standard issue for scout units. Maybe combine thermal camo and frag protection...
@@scowler7200 I'd assume the Kevlar blanket would be a pretty good option, I'd probably try to raise it off the body by stakes or something to allow some airflow. For the flak jacket and light helmet, I'm not confident saying either way since I haven't done it firsthand but the idea of a qd chest rig and armor kit is to use armor in high risk and defense positions. Then pack the armor away or stash it for fast moving to reduce chance of heat stroke and exhaustion. I kind of lean towards the Kevlar vest trapping in more heat than a traditional PC, especially if the side plates are taken out.
My chest rig is a Chicom 56 type chest rig. It's cheap, reliable, tough, and minimalistic. Two pouches I use for either my 556 or 300 blackout. One pouch for my tourniquet and knife. Small pouch for one glock mag, one for compass and headlamp. The other two pouches is for my lighter and medicine, yunnam bayoi and Tibetan medicine for migraines and extra batteries for thermal monocular and the other pouch is for my thermal monocular. My philosophy in magazines quantity is similar to your philosophy. I have two in my rig and one inserted in my riffle. My philosophy is that I do not want to get in a firefight. I want to live and I understand that the longer in a firefight I get involved, the more likely I will be a casualty or part of multiple casualties. My goal is to fire the ammo from the first magazine. If I cannot hit my target at 50 meters; then I should not own a firearm or get better training next time. That is if there is a next time. Either way, use my inserted mag to shoot at my attacker. Get the second one to suppress fire while I egress. And the last one is my emergency magazine in case there is more than one attacker and I get flanked. In that case, I have my pistol with an extra mag. I do have two extra 223 magazines in my egress bag and three extra magazines for my pistol. My pistol is last resort. 7 meters or less to give me enough time to egress and reload.
if your pistol is your last resort, why do you have 5 magazines for it total? why not have 1 in the pistol and maybe 1 reload, in favor of 1 or two extra rifle magazines? do you really think it makes sense to grab your pistol to suppress while you dig into the deep type 56 pocket for your rifle mag, instead of just reloading while running? why wouldn't you swap the headache medicine and lighter to the bag in favor of your 2 extra rifle magazines on the chest? what do you do if you ran into multiple attackers and you fought them off successfully. now you have 1 mag in the rifle and 1 reload and 5 pistol mags. if you run into another situation, and apply the same procedure, you're down to just the pistol after magdumping, reloading, and suppressing. what then? just seems like way better use of weight to not have the pistol +5 mags and have a few more rifle mags instead. and keep the non-fighting kit in the backpack and use the magazine pouches you know, for magazines. or go buy a cheap fanny pack for the headlamp, lighter, headache medicine, etc, and keep the thermal in the small pouch and your TQ in the other small pouch, and run 3-4 or however many mag pouches your rig has for ammo. get a bandolier that will hold another 6 mags in your bag that way if you have time to go in your bag you can sling it over your shoulder and get back to running, and reindex magazines from the bandolier while you're moving.
I also use this DC-3C-D3-CR-whatever and have found two ways to carry a radio without using one of the magazine pouches: The first one is to get a side hanging radio pouch with a velcro tab and hang it off to the side. One of the straps of the rig makes sure that the radio is tucked in nicely under your non-dominant arm. Because the button and mic are inaccessible here, you need to route a PTT cable and the antenna along the straps. The PTT clips snugly to the MOLLE on the shoulder straps (this is assuming you use a headset) Before I had a hanger pouch, I would clip the radio through two of the MOLLE loops on the shoulder straps. Put it on your non-dominant side, so it doesn't get in the way of shouldering your rifle. The radio is easily audible and the microphone is close to your mouth. All you need to do is reach up with your left hand to adjust volume, change channel, or use the PTT button. Both of these configs allow you to run 3 magazines in the carrier. But more importantly, both configs let you use the radio with your non-dominant hand without having to take it out and put it back in. I thought I would share.
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I find long range and long range set ups to be interesting. Every one has different ideas and how they organize their information so it's nice to take a bunch of idea's, mash things together that I like and try it out.
This is just my shit opinion but.... If you're rolling solo in some kind of weird shtf scenerio then a micro rig + backpack is PLENTY..... But, if you're rolling with 2 or 3 group that's when I believe 7+ mags are essential for all point A to B missions. You're much more likely to be seen and targeted in a group and that's when suppressing fire straight up wins fights.
Sounds reasonable to me. Better than the 1956 gear I started out with in the 1960's and the nonsense I was equipped with in Desert Storm. My micro rig was always the Butt Pack.
So I think that the best point to make about this is simply the fact that there is no 1 size fits all approach to what life throws at you. You could get decked out in full plate carrier with the biggest best plates you can find and all the goodies to go with it but if you have to take a nice little jog through a jungle or a swamp you'll quickly hate your life. Micro rigs fill a good niche when you don't need much or you need to be light.
Just got my D3CRM today & set it up. Really like it so far but gonna have to train with it before I give it a full thumbs up. Plenty of room for my Paul Harrell-approved Pop Tarts in the pouch.
I like em. My grab and go is a micro rig with 3 rifle/2 pistol mags, my CCW and a sling pack which I pretty much EDC as well and an 11.5 AR basically cause its an easy size to stow in a car. Medical, navigation, hydration. That set up is kind of like urban SERE. Not looking for a fight, just trying to navigate to something or away from something in a chaotic environment. Been through several catastrophes in a dense urban area (hurricanes, blackouts, major terrorist attacks). You are either staying completely put, or you are absolutely booking it.
Another civilian use for this kind of rig even extends to ops where you are simply back packing, not carrying a rifle or mags. A micro rig like this makes a great place to carry snivel items you want to reach without taking off your pack (Foot care / first aid, trail mix, Copenhagen, phone / camera).
I have the 5.56 and heavy versions. I use them for work and outgrew them quickly especially with the limitation of magazine capacity. I could carry the mandatory 7 round magazines but didn't have enough room for commo/maps etc. The fact it didn't have a good place to tie down NVGs didn't help either. I switched to the tracer tactical instead. I also find it funny that Vietnam-ish LCE systems are coming back among considering it wasn't "cool" for the longest time. It's a good product minus carrying capacity for longer duration fights/missions.
Chest rigs are great for mobility ops and pioneered by SADF for that reason but an lce is much more comfortable for long range foot patrol/rucking when getting in and out of a vehicle is not a consideration but weight distribution is.
Excellent content and discussion points. One gripe, the gear shown when discussing ALICE based gear is nowhere close to being ALICE based gear. Both images were cheap Chinese chest rigs, but I see where BF was headed. Chest rigs should carry items for making holes and plugging holes. Anything else is a bonus or should be in a pack.
Recently modified my hiking pack and chest rig so could clip together and become a single unit; so that chest rig is part of the belt and bring the pack straps to the front instead of under the arms so is close the webbing and PLB type systems I missed; and bring some of my pack weight to the front and lower to belt when less people about as if needed I can then quick disconnect and put the chest rig backing on and use either pack or chest rig as original design.
Hill People Gear make some nice chest rigs, among other things. I run with mine on the regs. Stays nice and snug on my chest and fits my subcompact, a whistle, streamlight, keys and other minor stuff.
I can’t think of a time where I’d need a micro rig and not also be using my battle belt which also has mag pouches to add to the 3 on the chest rig. Also, an additional 20 rd mag or can be stowed pretty easily in other places for last resort. If I’m in a fight and I go through 5 or 6 rifle mags and my pistol mags, something went horribly wrong.
I'll say! If you're in a non-military/LEO firefight and you expend 5 or 6 rifle mags and 1) haven't taken care of the problem, or 2) been killed, we will all come to know your name.
if you're finding yourself in a situation where you have decided its the best course of action to be moving on foot with a pack, a rifle, food, and medical, and a chest rig, something has already gone horribly wrong, and there's not really a good way to know what you would expect. 3 mags can go quickly when you are trying to break contact by yourself or with a group, but then what? are they still chasing you? are you back in a safe area? can you reload your 3 spent magazines from a supply point or do you have a 10 mile hike through uncertain/hostile territory and you just spend half your ammo on a single skirmish? I'm not saying theres no place for a micro rig, i just think if you need any rig at all, you shouldn't spend $200 on something that limits you to 4 magazines when you can spend $70 on a surplus LBV and surplus mag pouches and you can carry 4 magazines or you can carry like 20 magazines. micro rigs are just too expensive and you can't scale up with them. its like buying a $3000 1911 instead of a rifle and a glock and a bunch of ammo for both.
Good video, thanks for the opinion breakdown from your first hand experience. And keep up the humor and banter with Hop. I appreciate your time and experience with gear reviews
a micro rig is one of those things that starts cool and gradually becomes more of a compromise. everyone i know who's running one eventually does turn it into a velcro sandwich of wings and danglers etc. if you keep it light and like it for what it is, that's rad no hate, but if you're building out a full size chest rig, it'll have less material and be better situated if you start with a full scale rig such as the velocity rigs or even the TAP on a budget.
I love my Blue Force Gear chest rig. Super slim and lightweight, and Has 4 AR15 mag pouches, and 4 columns of molle of each side if you wanted to have some sort of pouches there.
God damn it, late again. Still good video as I was debating what kind of rig to get. Input helps put things in perspective for training and future use.
the big selling point of the HSP is hotswapableness, and being very easy to retain mags with. To me that's one of the larger priorities so I chose this over the Trex arms one. I didn't even consider the spirtus stuff because it's myth status
I love my D3CRM. It’s not my only option but I can think of several situations where I’d want something small and compact. Other than training, I use mine mostly for travel. It’s small enough to throw in a discrete rifle bag to enhance capability in the remote chance I ever need it for real.
@@tonyanderson2269 nothing wrong with your D3CRM if you like it. I like mine. Only downside is that it is a micro rig and some people (not really me) don’t think it holds enough mags for prolonged fight.
So something not really addressed in this video that is useful to me, is the use of a micro rig in a law enforcement setting. If I go out as a law enforcement officer I am waaaaay more likely to have to run/climb/fistfight a person that get into a high intensity long duration gun fight. If I get into a gun fight it’s likely over in one mag or maybe two if I have a malfunction, as such these are awesome I can just grab and go and still have all the stuffs I need!
I run mine on my LBT 6094 for work and it’s excellent. This video is 100% why I got a micro rig Brass facts may be millennial nutn to many but at least he buys decent shit
Most micro rigs are expandable and can be worn over body armor or used as a placard on a plate carrier. A lot of them are compatible with other brands. I have a harder time deciding which one over why at all
@@tonyanderson2269 I have spiritus system plate carrier and micro rig. That's the extent of my experience. I have worn the micro rig by its self with an x harness, over the plate carrier with an h harness, and attached to the plate like a placard. I have also put my brothers Hailey strategic micro rig on my plate carrier. I'm still trying to figure this stuff out too. This brand is working for me so far
I have a couple kit bags from hill people gear. I love them but they aren't anything I would pair with a rifle. I have one that is a pistol chest rig. Another is set up for search and rescue with an ifak. My third is basically a tool roll that i can strap to myself. They are super handy but if I'm grabbing a rifle, I want a plate carrier, no doubt.
I had to load 12,000 pounds of stuff from a 4 bed 3 bath home recently. Wore my D3CRM kitted out with a box cutter, scissors, sharpie, and masking tape. Had a radio clipped on to talk to the crew inside the house while I was in the moving van. Would have really sucked to do that in a plate carrier... so I can confirm these are the best type of gear for civilians.
Great Video ! The micro Chest Rig is great for sitting in a Jeep, car or truck (am I dating myself) ! The signal mirror is useful for girls to check there make-up... The guys may use Chap Stick and the girls go for lipstick ! The micro rig can carry a lot of high value small items, like a compass ! My watch EDC is an Automatic watch with a NATO/Zulu watchband and a Suunto clip=on button compass. This watch EDC will work in an EMP event and with the Automatic you do not have to worry about over winding the watch ! tjl
Your mindset of civilians in the boog is the most realistic I’ve heard. People that think you have to have 7 plus mags to break contact don’t understand that there is no resupply. You dump 6 mags to break contact, that’s all your ammo. Plus, ounces equal pounds. I’ve seen star athletes from college go down from heat quick because they’re used to immediate food and water resupply and Gatorade on demand.
Good stuff man, I do have to ask though... very random but something I noticed... who makes the ambi mag release on the rifle you used in this video? Believe it was on a rig, rattle canned with an acog and possibly a surefire light.
Late to the party here but for anybody looking at one of these, save your money and go with the RDR Gear micro chest rig. It’s pretty much an exact copy of the Spiritus and good quality. The only difference is it’s actually in stock all the time and he doesn’t price gouge you. It also comes as a complete rig. Not something you have to piece together. All around better option.
I like them because it’s probably a good idea to be able to run a chest rig with ether 3 rifle mags for a rattler or 8 pistol mags under a jacket if SHTF
I think an interesting derivative of this (that might already exist, idk) would be a “bump in the night” rig. No shoulder harness, just something you could throw on while naked and afraid. Maybe a Fanny pack looking thing you could sling over yourself like a bandoleer that has mags and a med kit. I just don’t see this as a useful piece of full kit. If you’re trying to prepare to not die in something as awful as a gun fight, you should probably have a plate carrier. Even if your avoiding it on a trek, run a lightweight plastic plate.
Wrong approach.. It's about probability vs possibility. Riots on the front street, PC would be the ticket. Moving across the town/state/country as a proactive move, chest rig is your friend. Rural work, no need for armor unless you're looking for trouble. Armor is valuable weight best used for life sustaining gear like calories, water or environmental gear.
Look up the IC13 INVRT Bandoleer, it's a system that you can customize with rifle/pistol mag pouches and med kit storage that you can just throw on at a moment's notice without having to don any additional gear or fuss with buckles/straps.
@@L-H-B Dumb design. Obstructing your shoulders doesn't work well with a pack or shoulder transitions. The pistol magazine on the shoulder is not ergonomic and screams "let's mount some shit here too!"
Becoming a casualty to elements or nutriant /hydration deficiency will sneak up on you. When i was a seabee training for convoy security we had the MTV tactical 🐢 vest. Running in a field in south Mississippi in july i went from okay to feeling like was hammered drunk slurring my words tunnel vision. My buddies got my gear off and i got a thermometer up my ass and a IV in my arm. Would that of been a time to ditch the armor most certainly. Had it of been a real combat situation my 4 man team would of been out of the fight or taken out. I wasnt the only one that day. 5 of us in the corpsman van with IVs and Ac on.
D3CRH with a large flat pack for 2-3 day load outs but for a quick set up I use the micro set up that adapts between 308 and 556 depends I guess on how shitty the S is in shtf sitution. lol love that you can get light armor for the flat pack which can help. also love the velcro inside. I use a Qore water bladder and juggernaut phone mount on my haley EUD bridge on both my rigs. good set up with the drop down pouch for medical supplies. long story short if you got the money go for the modular set up from Haley its a no brainer!
Any thoughts on the helikon tex mini rig? Seems close to the hailey. But some other added features, 4 ar pouch, the nut pouch is removable for remaining slim. Reeves had given it a nod
@@BrassFacts Thanks. First soc media I've gotten a reply lol. I likely would drop the dangler off. I have an HRT maximus that I got during last years draught where the Haley etc were unobtainable. Fairly similar and I found wanting a scosh more storage (using clipped to a carrier) , but not going 7+ mag guy crazy. Already made that mistake with my first carrier that I need to ditch that was stacked out 2 mag stacks and a pouch.
maybe the idea of armor and firepower is to compensate for tactical skills some may not have learned yet, thus granting an advantage when coming across somebody as well prepared as yourself in a mad max setting
The elcan spectre is heavier, more expensive, and less reliable than an ACOG w/ Trigicon RMR on top. Thats why the Marine Corp uses the ACOG over the ELCAN.
The only difference between the Haley Heavy rig and Micro rig is 4 mags vs 3. They both have 2x pistol pouches, and the equivalent of 3 mags wide of zipper pouch space. That 1 extra mag is all you get for going Heavy instead of Micro.
Well, I'm not going into a battle field far from my ammo depot. If I really needed to deploy my equipment, it would be to protect my rural property and family...not far from home (base). A micro rig, a backpack and a gun belt are all I need. The rest seems to be a bit too much and just plain silly. I don't want to carry more than ~30 lbs.
I would like to perhaps setup a Fanny pack with Velcro mag pouches for a 9mm Glock or Sig P320. It would be used for a quick access, clip on rig for either home defense or self defense inside of a car.
amen. ask 1000 different people and you'll get 1000 different opinions. good to see where folks are coming from w their experiences and whatnot, but do what the hell you were going to do...
Simply put... If you're expecting to get into a long firefight (even one which lasts an hour is considered long, but they can be much longer) then the 3 magazines on your micro rig aren't going to cut it. If you're planning to move quickly while avoiding contact, the micro rig is preferable... It all depends on just how much enemy contact you expect to experience or avoid, and how confident in your abilities you can reasonably be at avoiding it.
Saw this video pop up on my feed and it's an interesting topic to revisit. From my vantage point, it certainly looks like the micro chest rigs were a fad. In practice, they're kit much more suited towards high speed, big military, well supported scenarios. I just don't see civilians using them any more. I'm seeing people ditch the small, streamlined stuff for more heavy, long term sustainment kit, much more adapt to recce and patrolling activities. The guys that have micro rigs are adding wings and danglers and everything else to them, making them...not micro. Just something interesting to think about as times have changed, as has kit.
@@BrassFacts while I generally approve of ‘ounces save lives’ and ‘less is more’, two rifle pouches is already about as minimalistic as I’d want to go. This honestly seems like going past the point of diminishing returns on cutting mass.
I always figured if I had to travel far I'd selectively cut wieght off my plate carrier-take out the side plates if just a lil bit far and I expect shit-or drop all the plates and my dump pouch of goodies and just have ammo n a canteen. Am i right? Or missing something?
@@BrassFacts ... of course this is depending on who you are and what your role is in that specific unit.... and this is a general statement, Obviously there are scenarios where you want more or even less. And I could write an essay here about why 3 extra is just fine for most people and especially in a experienced unit.
@personalaccount8914 no, a more specific role. But yes, we had regular infantry that would come with us sometimes, they would "get in trouble" for carrying less than what you just mentioned. I think the big difference is that we would judge a mission and carry what we thought was right, I have carried 8+ mags plus extras in the pack etc. But pretty rare.
I dont care for the plastic inserts. ( dont think they are kydex) the opening with all the velcro and the flared opening is bulky and sloppy looking. esstac kywi are the best mag pouch in my limited experience. sold my haley micro almost immediately.
maybe, I'm not in the point in my life were I can train with a 308 system. I can get out to 600 with 556. Granted wind dependent but 308 is just out of my price bracket.
P.S. It must be nice to have a zillion miles of space to do any shit you want to do. If I flash my phone, or fire too quickly on the range, it is day over. You can re-enact the Tet Offensive and nobody cares. Enjoy your space.
You certainly have a point. Being alone during SHTF means you avoid confrontations or more than likely die. No point in carrying a bunch of shit you aren’t going to use.
The only reason I don't like these things is because how much everyone online seems to simp for them. Because I am one of those contrarians, and I know this about myself. But I can totally see the functionality behind it and would probably think theyre pretty cool if it wasn't what all the LARPers are droning about.
yeah, that does put me off of them. to much gear simpage. But we've come full circle. Now you're a gearqueer if you have one of these, and macro rigs are the "true" gear choice. It's all quite tiring.
What if I told you that you’d be better served to use a lightweight hunting rifle that can actually cover those distances up there. 30 cal for the win.
One correction. Suppressive fire is named like it is for a reason. The focus when you're given suppressive fire isn't aimed kill shots. The focus is to keep heads down so another team can maneuver. This means putting a steady stream of lead down range to the points heads have been poking out off. So yes, as someone who hasn't been there, if you get pulled into a squad or platoon, you may be tasked with suppressive fire so that those of us who have can move with more safety to get the job done.
I use micro rig for quick grab for 9mm carbine types as it fits over soft armor and carries enough mags n med at hand If I'm wearing plate carrier then I running battle belt with suspenders.