this is one of the things in league that i never bothered to learn. and when people talk to me in game saying things like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING" i am like I DON'T. FUCKING. KNOW...... somehow still made it to d2....
Curtis, im not sure if you realize how much better you are then every other coach. You are so good at explaining things at a fundamental level and you help everyone understand concepts better than anyone else I've seen. Underrated channel af.
Wow thanks so much Adam really appreciate it mate, it's great to hear these sorts of comments sometimes. I'll make sure I keep doing more videos for you guys so you guys can climb and make the most out of s10 :)
well, he does say somethings that arent very true, for example 7:42 he says u need 4 minions to freeze a lane, but u don't because of this being midlane, because of this if u only keep 3 minions at full hp his reinforcing minions will come and then he would have a total of 4 minions 1 left over from the previous 3 casters therefore u have a minion disadvantage he is still right but not all the way right, however the way I said it requires there not to be minion buff on your minion (minions can get buffed throughout the game based on turrets and advantage
Wow thanks so much Victor appreciate the kind words, I'll make sure to keep pumping out more videos for you guys. Love the community we are growing here :)
I've never seen such a good video about wave management. All the videos out there tell you just the basics and don't really get in depth and show the objective of slow pushing and so. I'm a jungler and don't really play midlane at all but you managed to make it so a toplaner, support or jungler can take advantage of this knowledge too. You are just incredible and a really good coach. Hope you are doing great with all this of the quarantine and keep the good content up. Greetings from Argentina :)
Am a dimond 4 player on euw with 61% wr , and i thought my wave management was good , watching you really makes me realize that am doing shit tons of mistakes , the very 1st guy that made me realize am doing mistakes .
As a jungler main I didn't really bother with wave knowledge but now I actually understand why 95℅ of my ganks attempts fail miserably . Also this series just makes me want to try and go mid for once. You earned yourself a sub and much love from Tunisia 💕💕
Oh, i wish LS would do videos for these fundamental stuff. I havent played for a year and was struggling with wave managment, as a main mid who actually hit d2 back in the day. This is really important for this lane, so take the time to learn it guys
Watching your content and truly digesting it and rewatching my own games has made me more confident to finally decide to tackle ranked. I'm actually winning my games and consciously fixing my mindset bit by bit, as I have had debilitating ranked anxiety in the past. Thank you for all of your hard work, and know that it is not in any way unappreciated :)
Nah idc what anyone says, this man took hours of his day to help us learn wave management and I spent all 40:38 mins watching and actually learning many things. Thanks a lot man❤🙌
I have never understood wave management because other guides never cover the fundamentals that a newbie who isn't very game-savvy wouldn't innately understand. This was incredible, thank you!
Coming back to League recently and being an Iron scrub, it frustrates me when educational league channels assume that their viewers know what they mean when they talk about freezing, slow pushing, tempo, etc and say things like they "don't understand how you could be bad enough to be in Iron." With this series of videos, you defy all that and have been giving me the tools I actually need to improve form square one as opposed to watching a bunch of theory that goes way over my head. Thank you!
You dont need wave management to get out of iron. As long as you know how the game works and are comfortable playing a champion it should be good enough
@@Vaz_G You're right, all I had to do was play more and I've since made it to silver, but it was frustrating at the time. It's still true that if you're going to make educational videos, you should start from square one, though. And Curtis does that, which I appreciated.
@@Vaz_G well go get out no, but to stomp lane yes. Even the worst players on mid lane just freeze the wave without even knowing it, making it harder to kill them
This has helped me understand a lot, friends would tell me I need to fix stuff, somewhat explain but not fully give me an idea of what I’m sposed to do. This video definitely helps me understand owning especially that last clip where you explain the ori panicking and not needing to and why. Like I realized that’s how it be for me, I’ll semi panic and then get all in’d on. I appreciate the explanation and look forward to watching the video a few more times before testing it out 😂
Curtis my friend. I learnt so much from this video. And the way you smile, I can really see that you enjoy to make these amazing videos. I've watched a lots of Pro Guides videos, and I think u make so much better content. Keep up the great work mate!
I know I’m late but I appreciate your video so much! I am pretty decent at the game other than the fact I basically constantly fast push because I get too impatient. I will practice more patience now and I think I’ll climb much faster with this help. Thank you!
Ive been getting really frustrated at my teammates for not being able to win lane as hard as i can, and i realize through your videos that IM the problem, Sure i can dumpster my lane but I am not applying the right amount of help to my team through good wards (your other video was amazing on that) and translating my lead into getting my team ahead. You are changing my narrow scope of this game to a much broader one and i thank you.
Hey Curtis, this has been one of my aims with my channel, to actual show people that there is always more you can do in every game to increase your chances of winning and improve as a player. This helps people feel more incontrol of their games and take more responsibility. Glad I could help you out mate
Great content, currently gold 1 and it really helps me to understand how to gain advantages. I like how although each episode focus on one specific topic yet still everything kinda ties together and are interconnected. Thank u coach curtis!
Very interesting Video, never seen so good guides. You take many time in that, you explain realy good and you are so calm in that what you doing . So i can learn a lot of league, a lot of my role i want to learn and understand so much better. Thank you very much for this and keep it up :)
I always thought of laning in league as a mini chess game, It's almost entirely strategic and this is for me what it makes it so competitive and addicting in it's own way. As a TF main I've spent countless hours of watching dopa replays trying to interpret his movements. When I started to realize what he does, I completely fell in love with the game. Your insight is really beautiful and your way of explaining things is something I haven't seen in similar content. You got a sub.
Appreciate it Zen, League is very much like a number of complex mini games running simultaneously, in which your job is to identify which games are being played and be able to adapt to each one constantly. It's pretty crazy how we play on the same map day in and day out, and the game never gets boring. It's a testament to how deep this game really is. Thanks for tuning in mate
Pro guides/ Game Leap, whoever else has probably made about 40+ 10 min videos on wave management that gets across the SAME amount of relevant and applicable information that you did in like the first 15 mins. Then the in game vods reallly realllly build upon that and the intricacies of each decision. Not JUST the decision being made. You are LEGIT asf dawg climb the sub ladder.
Thank you for this video, this is the best wave management video I’ve ever watched. The practical examples taken from your games helped a ton!! (Which other more « theoretical » wave management videos don’t usually use). I think doing in depth videos like this is really helpful, because one video of 40 minutes is way more helpful than 4 videos of 10 minutes only showing shallow examples. Once again, thanks a lot, best instructive lol RU-vid channel out here without a doubt!!
Thanks Emile really appreciate you leaving a comment like this. Means a lot to hear this sort of feedback. Glad I could help you out mate and goodluck on your climb!
as someone who has worked as a coach it sounds like you've coached professional or at least high performance athletes, I never got in to gaming but I took it up because my friends all play a lot of league so these guides help a lot its covers everything for basically all learning styles.
I think that between your thumbnail smart poses, your game-IRL analogies and your awesome informative content, you are into something here :P it's like your brand at this point hehe
Hey Curtis, loving your content. I was hoping that you would provide some info on wave management in this video- specifically during the early game for jungle pressure, such as getting bounce backs at 3:15 for scuttle fights, or how to balance poking / pushing waves. Can you include this in a future video? Thanks for reading :)
Hey DS I actually talk about this extensively within my jungle tracking fundamentals video at around half way through the vid I think. Give that a look!
dude your iq is massive, wtf im in plat 4 and i thought i knew what freezing and slow pushing was, but you took this to a completely different level, every other video is about just what the different types of waves are, you took this to a completely different level my friend
@@Vauneaa You generally want to push when you want to roam or when you want to recall, because it will take time for the turret to kill the minions and it will push back into you. Freezing is better when you are healthy and you want to deny them exp and put them into risky situations, as often people will overextend to break the freeze. Slow pushing guarantees a push but takes multiple waves and is risky if you don't have vision. He basically goes over all this in the video though.
Wow, this vid is just great. It made so clear the way tempo works, however I still have a few questions about waves. (sorry if they are too much questions) 1. What is the difference in the viktor vs yasuo example when the wave slow pushes towards him, and in the orianna vs irelia when orianna slow pushes into you? Could have yasuo punished you for being that far up as you punished orianna? I am not sure if the best decision as an immobile high range mage (I am playing a lot of Viktor) would be to have the wave under your tower as much as possible or to slow push to have the minion advantage. 2. In the same example when you were slow pushing towards yasuo, could he have gotten a free recall and an item advantage and then all in you despite the minion advantage? Or what was the correct play from his side? Again sorry if they are too much questions, your video clarified a lot to me but I just couldn´t get those out of my mind. Keep up with the good job man. Thanks a lot.
Im so happy i found this vid !! You look so passionate ! Its cristal clear thank you so much for helping us getting out of elo hell xD You just won a subscriber right there ^^
Hey curtis, Should i control the wave based on jungler or the enemy mid laner? If i am versus an jarvan for example, let the enemy push the first wave so i cant get ganked lvl 2, is that worth? or just push and ward? Idk exactly how to start the lane. I am from brazil, big fan of your videos :))
You need to take into account both, sometimes you'll be in situations where your matchup benefits from contesting lvl 2, but you are versing a j4. So you need to adapt your warding timings/leaning in the lane so you can safely do so. Experiment with differing ward timings and strategies, aslong as you are taking into account both factors and hypothesizing and testing you will improve. Hi from Australia! Thanks for watching man appreciate it
If the minion wave is pushed toward your tower like at 10:20 the new minion waves will reach each other at the exact same time because the distance between each wave is always the same. Its just that some of the previous wave's minions survive so you have the advantage.
Ha, your videos are finally in 1080p. Your content was already great and now its nice to watch. I have subscribed. Question: Do you give private coaching sessions?
Yep now that I upgraded to a PC I can now do 1080p finally! Thanks man appreciate it For now no, I'm currently focusing on building out my youtube. But I'll be doing coaching giveaways in the discord
This is so hard for me... I think I understand what you're saying but I don't understand how i should think in game. This is really hard... being bad in math at school is catching up to me.
Hi Curtis, very useful video and well explained, but what I want to ask is about what I need to do in the inverse situation, so when the enemy is trying to do what you explained. I'm still trying to learn the fundamentals of the game since I've been playing for almost a year Thank you, I really enjoyed this video, very well done 👌
Hey Marco, basically when you get higher elo its a constant tug of war between fixing waves OR punishing the enemy with trades if they try to fix the wave location. Nothing too special, aslong as you are constantly aware of the wave location you should be fine! Thanks for watching man :)
Yeah its like the first maths lecture where you go from being told what a number is and how + × etc. are defined to getting the roots of complex numbers in 90 minutes
This channel is seriously underrated. Your video on how to play Irelia mid extremely helped and now i finish games with 300cs 30min and an average kda of 10 3 7. Thank you for all your help
@@CoachCurtis a little update: My win rate on irelia is 60% in 120 games, you truly are something else. I'm easily climbing gold right now and will hit platinum soon. Thanks for all your help.
This vid was incredible! I've had an astoundingly hard time grasping wave management ever since the concept was introduced to me and the way you explained it made it so much easier to understand. Instant sub, instant like, thanks for what you do!
Just found your channel and have been loving your content as a jungle main who is converting to mid. I had a question about your irelia vs azir clip. If you were in azirs situation, how would you use your slow push to crash the wave when irelia has such a strong all in threat? Would fighting in the minion wave give him the advantage or would jungle intervention be necessary?
Hey Curtis, I’m pretty late so you probably won’t see this, but when you’re playing a ranged champion into a melee, what is the actual defensive function of the wave? How much of it is the damage from the creeps onto your opponent vs the fact that they actually just physically obstruct the opponent from getting onto you?
Thank you so, so much for everything you do and for being so open to suggestions! The way you explain everything and make it seem so simple is a indeed a rare quality. I am very greatful for finding your channel back when it was around 3 weeks old, this is everything I needed and more.
Wow you are one of the original followers of my content, I really appreciate that you have been following me for so long especially since my original pieces of content weren't that high quality. Glad I could help you out!
Hey honestly i rarely ever comment yt videos but this is just really the best wave management vid ever mate. Huge yt channels usually only demonstrate examples but dont actually explain the dynamics and logic even closely as well as you do, huge props to you mate, keep up the good work. On that note i have a small question. I usually play assassin mid laners who struggle against early ranged poke/harass or melee bruisers, for exemple i mostly play kat. My issue is from level 1 i never know wether i should let my opponent push in (sometimes i have no choice) so i have larger room to all in him closer to my tower lv 2-3 OR try to shove it in and gain a minion/level lead so that i can bully him out with my advantage (making it so if hes stronger my lead dosent let him kill and if im stronger i can deny cs) If you could help me out in understanding why/in what situation id do one or the other i would hugely appreciate it, also im plat 2, diamond last season, if thats any relevant. Thanks for the help man!
Hey man great question, I still to this day have been trying to figure out ways to get this information across at scale, but what I realized is that the decision to push lvl 1 or to not push really is matchup dependent and jg dependent. For example if you are playing Kat vs Syndra you really can't contest lvl 1 anyway so youur going to get pushed in, but as Kat vs Vlad you can probably push in, BUT if it's KAt vs vlad and you are versing a j4 jungle, then maybe you shouldnt push lvl 1 because you will be very vulnerable to ganks. This is why I recommend having a small niche champ pool so you can really understand the matchups and what 'feels' best for lvl 1 and 2 in differing matchups. Have a hypothesis and test it, see what the outcome is and review it after to see what could have been done differently. The main things you need to understand is gank threat, lvl 2 power, and ability to cs under tower
Discoverd from the Galio guide, gonna watch all you're videos I can :D Playing League for 10 years still some of these tings Ive never seen on youtube before. So good to lern some things again
That was a really clear explanation of tempo, so that finally is making sense. You demystify the concepts I've heard thrown around for ages! Furthermore, I paused at 32:45 and was able to walk myself through what was happening with the lane! If that were me playing, though, I probably would have walked back to the tower and recalled, or wasted time before deciding to push the wave and losing more tempo. In the next few days I'll try and pay attention to this especially. My wave management has already seen massive improvement from your videos. Thanks again!
Awesome to hear Ben ! It can be a little bit of a strange topic to get your head around, but once you understand how it works it'll become second nature :)
Hey Curtis! I really love your videos because I can use most of the information in them and apply it to toplane. Just like this video, how to properly manage waves, or how to understand my champion micros, etc.. Only thing is, I usually duo with a good friend of mine who mains Ryze. He watched your videos a lot and now his roaming toplane and his impact on the whole map has seriously improved, but I was wondering... As a toplaner, maining Kayle, should I try and roam mid to feed even more my duo Ryze? Should I invest time in teamfights early or should I stick to splitpush until I reach level 16? I know it’s a very long question, but I don’t really know how to have a bigger impact on the game earlier than when I reach level 16... Thank you for all of your videos! They help much more than you think!
As Kayle you don't really have the ability to roam, as Kayle you kind of need to just focus on your lane and getting as much gold as possible. Unfortunately I don't know too much about the top lane meta atm but I do know that if you roam as kayle you are going to be putting yourself in some bad positions. Only group for teamfights. Thanks for tuning in Alexis! Also be carefful when playing Kayle/Ryze duo, that is a lot of scaling!
Hey Curtis, trying to get better at wave management in the mid lane and of course your videos are extremely helpful! A lot of people talk about freezing a lane for virtually forever. How is this possible? Whenever I try and freeze my wave, it always seems to just be slow pushing out. What is the rule of 4 minions when it comes to freezing? Do I just have to suck it up and miss some CS to delay the wave from slow pushing?
You are probably thinnning the wave too much, there needs to be atleast a 4 minion advantage. In mid lane freezes very rarely happen due to how easy it is for the enemy to push it in given the length of the lane and also how important pressure is. So I wouldn't stress too much about this concept as a mid laner
25:10 While LS does talk a lot about freezing, he mostly talks about freezing in mid to late game in competitive games. He even says that you should *not* try to do this in soloq except for maybe super specific spots. He recently did a "coaching" with the LEC ADC Crownshot on Kog'Maw which is a good example for a spot where this strategy can work (and also an example for why it's still really sketchy in soloq, even in a challenger game). Also later on the stream he showed the game from the enemy laners perspective who got frozen on and, I've got to say, that was one of the saddest and most uncomfortable things I've ever watched :D
I think Freezing is a lot more common in bot lane haha, in mid it's a lot less effective because mid lane is the central point of pressure in the map AND the lane is so short compared to botlane so it's a loss less effective in that sense. Also in bot lane if you have no way to get vision there is no place to lean so you are kind of screwed. Thanks for the clarification man :)
Around 7:40 you were saying that the wave wouldn't freeze. But I thought in that situation, you just needed the enemy to have a 3 red minion advantage for the wave to auto-freeze?
so what do i do, when my also low elo, enemy doesnt care that he shouldnt engage on me, but does anyway, and then like, somehow wins. like, i fought a jayce, its wave 1. im a viktor, the guy walks up behind my minions and deadass solo kills me, in an isolated 1v1 even tho my minions turned on him, and my Q is an AA reset with a shield
Hey man thanks for the content I have a question regarding the new s11 minion power were lane minions have different damage taken and damage dealt depending on level and kill lead, how does this affect wave management?
