Interesting how they bill this as "Alpha Gameplay" while it has features that they certainly never actually intended to put in the full release, like the incredible specificity of the dialogue and the very large amount of cinematic animation during gameplay.
@FatSkeleton No. No, that is not what happened at all. I'm sorry, but that kind of naivete cannot go uncorrected. They never intended to put this in the game. It was purely edited content meant to to get you to buy the game. Just like how they never intended to remove microtransactions and only did so once they were no longer profitable to squeeze out the last available sales.
I mean, there isn’t that much missing. Most of the trailer-only parts are just cinematics meant to better highlight Nemesis mechanics, like cheating death and saviors. A lot of it is still there, just not as emphasized in actual gameplay. Except for the Overlord stuff, that got axed I guess.
@@LucifronzI feel like that last bit is purely speculation and rumors. Whether or not they intended to put it into the game, I wish people realized that or wasn't going to be like this 100%. That's hilarious. Unless you haven't played the game, you should know how sophisticated the Nemesis System is. Game Maker's Toolkit did a good video covering this and why there isn't a system like this going around anymore; and it covers more than what can be filled into a comment or reply. Just imagine being the developer or one of the actors in this game, coding and modeling and animating sections of the game or going over lines and lines and lines of dialogue for months on end, just to get it as close to the trailer as it could be. With my experience in coding, I have a high respect for devs for what they do. As for the lootboxes: Don't forget the backlash. I'd say that could've been a contributing factor. Weren't games like Star War BF2 EA boycotted and constantly on sale (last I heard) because of such practices? Weren't games that had lootboxes also banned in countries like Belgium? Didn't EA go to court and argued that lootboxes weren't bad? I'm pretty sure that all happened. I'm also sure that no one would buy one of these lootboxes in Shadow of War because of the *numerous* amount of Captains, War-chiefs, and Overlords, don't forget the Vendetta missions and Online Raids. With this in mind, would the devs keep the lootboxes?
@@Lucifronz lmao I would do that too if I was them, who doesn't like microtransactions that could get me money? What? You think I would just give you the game for your money and then not give you the option to give me more money and then I give you more ingame assets? Obviously I would give you that, and if nobody no longer buys it, im obviously gonna remove it so the people who complains for no absolute reason when they can just avoid the microtransaction, and then get more money from them too, its just so ridiculous how this yall outrage over this stuff, its a company that needs money, not a goddamn lemonade stand that sells for cheap, want more games? contribute, you don't want to contribute? Ignore the goddamn microtransactions.
Yeah, you can clearly see the edited and scripted parts. Game's still great, though, but I refused to pay for it until they finally removed those fucking microtransactions. I was incredibly excited for it, too. Shadow of Mordor was a sleeper hit I wasn't expecting to fall in love with so hard. Speaking of Middle-earth games and bullshit, they need to patch Shadow of Mordor on PC. The Bright Lord DLC doesn't work for a ton of people and hasn't since 2017. That's unacceptable.
For me it’s better that if the Two Shadow of war Games Remains a Duology (not everything need a Trilogy and Perhaps Someone has to Leave the Good games alone instead of Milking it too much an Example is Assassins creed) but if must Happen a third New Shadow game, Talion history Ended soo If someone needs to fill the Shoes it’s either Elthariel or Baranor (but all of this is just my opinion) I just wonder who could be a the Villain now that Sauron is Dead (Celebrimbor?, Uruk Holdouts?) perhaps would be Better to Expand the Nemesis System to New Videogames (Only Warner bros unfortunately since it’s Patented).
Personally I think I would like it if all of the spies for the fort stood on the speech balcony with each of them kinda of chiming in with Talion finishing the speech off. (If there are no spies then it could any Orc Captains that participated in the Assault and lived). I know that the speech would be long but yet again people can always skip it if they want. But I do agree with you that If I had the pick between Talion (and/or Celebrimbor) giving the speech or an Orc captain doing it, I think that having the promoted Orc give the speech would be better because it would add some variety to the game. Like for example if the Orc is an Assassin or part of the Dark Tribe he can say that we won the siege due to the deceit and deception of the spies planted within the fort or if the Orc is a Commander, Tank, Berserker, or part of the Warmonger Tribe they can say that they won due to their strength, ferocity, (and/or tactics) and more given the other tribes and classes of Orc. Maybe even Talion/Celebrimbor can chime in at the end to wrap everything up because at the same time it doesn't feel entirely right for the person who leads the army to not give/be a part of the empowering victory speech
i love how chaotic this game can be you kill a orc and then literally minutes later there back ready to fight you and they can just keep forcing them self back to life just out of hatred for the ranger its insane how many combinations there are i had this 1 guy who refused to die and constantly kept killing me but before he killed me he just humiliated me and walked off
7:28 of all the little things to add, this is one thing I would’ve enjoyed - him showing actual hints of gratitude towards his orcish lackeys, even if fake or small. Helps him feel more human.
Funny thing I noticed there are four warchiefs but only three appear in the trailer Thrak (who explains how followers can turn) Tugog (who helps understand the fear you spread to the uruks or something) and Mozu (who explains how you can make followers your spys) then there’s Nazu the knife who never appears in the whole trailer unless I’m missing something
Tugog appeared to show us that even allied uruks can die, he also showed us how it is to have the ,,terrified'' status and also showed us how it is to recruit uruks into your army
Fun facts: Necromancer is never really a class just a trait Armored Caragor is never in the game, caragors with armor have the exact same amount of health as wild caragors. Battering Ram is also never in the game, each orc does the same amount of damage to walls except if they have great strength. Also Overlords stand out on a balcony.
Honestly, the thing that disapplinted was the fact that picking an Overlord is basically *windowdressing* , contrary to what they imply here. Outside of changing the look of the Fortress and providing *tiny* advantages during sieges based on which clan the Orc belongs to, it really has no effect on the game. No special upgrades, no unique missions cause by the Overlord's style of rule, no rebellions, there isn't even any betrayal or dialogue cause by pickong one Orc over another for the job. Hell, after you die defending a fortress, you instantly lose and the Overlord is captured regardless of how powerfull he is or how succesfully you were defending up until that point. And at no point during a defense does the Overlord actually come out and fight. So picking a strong Overlord is literally *less than useless* when you could just have them be your bodyguard or defend a point as a Warchief or Captain.
the only reason to have a powerful overlord is to make players have a hard time to conquer your fortress (as the hardest part of a siege is the overlord, IF done right)
Wrong Completely and utterly wrong There are many things that change depending on the overlord's personality and even tribes Understandably, Outlaw tribes will rebel the most and Warmongers the least
@@TheMessiahOfThe99PercentWrong. Personality does not matter at all for the Overlord. All that matters is tribe. You listed two examples, that is NOT many. There isn't too much of a difference between overlords except for atmosphere, banners, special "buildings" at forts and outposts, sometimes a difference in grunts (more Slaves for Machine, Treasure for Marauder, Banners for Outlaw), and then MAYBE some captain attitude differences.
because it’s a gameplay trailer so it means there not actually gonna have this all in the game they make it look really cool so more people would play it
They make the preset builds first and design the rest of the game around that after. The preset builds are usually very small areas that show what that part of the game could look like But in reality it may be too intensive to actually put into a full game. So they downgrade and optimize
It's an early prototype that shows what they want the game to be, polished up to a standard that is ready to show, but which might not be practical to make a full game like it.
For those taking my question seriously, lemme clarify. I know why they make the trailers so awesome - to sell the game. I just feel incredibly mislead or even lied to when trailers way over-hype the game to make sales, when the actual game doesn't even come close to living up to the greatness trailers displayed. Conversations with orcs have way less flair to them, curse is very different from the final game, the choice of who to make overlord is purely cosmetic and serves no gameplay purpose, and it was a missed opportunity to show more personality of the orcs by making YOU give the speech at the end as opposed to them. You may argue that it's supposed to be cinematic exclusively for the trailer, but it's called a GAMEPLAY trailer, I wanna see some gameplay that's actually true to what we experience in the final game, not some glorified version of it we'll never get to play, it's just a total tease.
It's a scripted gameplay trailer. To put it bluntly, they lied. The "Alpha" never existed. Welcome to the modern gaming industry. Sorry, it's a lesson we all have to learn.
@@idontknow164 you cant tell me that this game is surely one of the best games still. Who cared they lied. They promised a good game, they delivered jt
They REALLY need a new entry to this series. Modern Hardware would make Shadow Of War seem small and pathetic. I don't mean graphically either, new Uruks, more voices, events, etc. I REALLY hope they're quietly working on one.
@@cinnamonflavord If it were poorly optimised. Which most devs these days do on purpose. (Forces sales for better GPU and Storage space. Gaming is now rarely about passion and love but money. Prime example being comparing Titanfall 2 to Apex Legends.)
@@sircatsmeow2886 why would game devs care about making people buy better hardware? If anything they would want their games to be less demanding on systems so more people can buy and play it. They don't optimize their games because that takes more time and money than just shipping a technically feature complete game to meet deadlines
I was VERY disappointed when you can only read the lore of certain landmarks. I thought those would be open regions as well along with the fort regions. Playing the first game, the map feels more expansive and wide, you can really enjoy riding a caragor onthe first game. Those same maps from the first game are their in Shadow of War, but you can only read about them. Bummer.
@@polishperson0104 the shadow wars last decades before Talion finally succumbs. A third entry could easily be made between those years, or hell, they could make a game about Talions years as a Nazgul. The Shadow games already break much of the lore, some more of it won't make people mad
My nemesis was Gubu Death-Bone. I cut his arm off at least 3 times and after I killed him the first time, he came back another 7 times after that. What a legend
1. We all know Az Laar would have been the perfect choice for Overlord had he survived. 2. Would love another Middle-Earth game with the Nemesis System.
I know it’s old and at the Time was a Trailer for a more Cinematographic Way but I really loved the Finished Game on my PS4 (actually it was one of my First game on that Console) and Today I rebought it on PS5 (the Nemesis system it’s Soo cool and Real and that Show us it’s Great Potential it’s Such a Shame That Warner Bros Patented it Until 2035).
Yk what, forget about most mechanics mentioned in this. The 3 things I wish that was in the final cut are the war chiefs getting their own badass intro’s, the chosen overlord giving the victory speech, and the necromancer being an actual class
You know, when I first clicked on this, I saw the top comment and thought “no way, Shadow of War is one of my favourite games, no shot this’ll make it look like a downgrade”, but I’ve been proven wrong. This was the most awesome trailer I’ve ever seen, I hope the threequel, should it ever come out, is even half as good as this.
Good morning, 47. Your destination is Mordor, a blighted landscape of mythical creatures and hostile inhabitants, all led by a mysterious Sauron, their Dark Lord. Initially thought to be a fictional creation of the late author Tolkien, the region was suddenly seen resurfacing near the Middle East and North Africa, as in a modern-day Atlantis. After a series of coastal raids and high-profile attacks in the surrounding continents and the Mediterranean, a naval blockade has been formed to reduce further strikes. Our client, a defense contractor in the EU, has authorized the complete destruction of Mordor and its hostile inhabitants, and to do that, the client wants to start at the heart of the lands itself: the fortresses, the overlords and their war chiefs. To that end, you're to eliminate *Thrak Storm-Bringer.* A sadistic warmonger and torturer, who delights in cursing the lands with his dark gifts. This man doesn't care about spilling the blood of his enemies, the innocents or his own, all he cares about is spilling blood. In fact, there was a time when he raged against Mordor itself, before his desire for power caused him to betray his blood brothers. He's currently holding inside the Seregost fortress, enjoying his station of power, while his opposition outside his fortress schemes night and day to remove the despotic overlord, all led by a mysterious _Tark._ Tension is high, and so is security - on the streets and in the fortress, guards and lookouts are on high alert, looking for any sign of resistance to squash it with extreme prejudice. This is a powder keg of a situation, 47. Mordor itself was never known to be a bastion of stability and we are looking at yet another military coup waiting to happen, blowing this keg exponentially and potentially spreading outside Mordor. I trust you'll handle this discretely, but still, be careful. I will leave you to prepare.
Looking at this now, it's blatantly obvious which parts, of many, are scripted and seemingly highly edited moments that you cannot get in your game. I would love to look past that, as the game we got, after the many updates and removal of microtransactions and other bullshit design decisions (mainly the Shadow Wars segment being unreasonably long and tiresome), is fucking fantastic... ...but I'm not going to look past it, because lying is lying, Warner.
its unused in the actaul game is scrapped it would have been pretty cool and like that most of things in this trailer are unused but it may just be me but i would perfer the alpha over actual game
Shadow of War is a great game. But this trailer fucking sucks. I realize that if they were to actually try to make the final game like this, with the extremely cinematic gameplay and highly specific dialogue from the captains, then they'd probably be spending a whole decade on just the dialogue alone. But for Sauron's sake, don't taunt us with awesome gameplay potential that will never be realized.
Despite the game being my favorite game of all time I have to agree. They skimped out on a lot of unique content last minute. They even got rid of the spare an orc’s life thing😭
@@pavinivfx I don’t think they’re gonna make updates anymore. Hopefully if or when they make another game with the modern consoles and pc hardware they can push the limits of the combat and mechanics
I mean... only if you're fine with certain snippets of dialogue being edited and re-used. Though with AI voicework it's more possible than ever to create new dialogue, but it'd be so much freaking work. It's not just making the dialogue, which won't sound right because there's no personality in AI-generated voices, it's making the situations themselves, and then programming the game to work with those... ...no, not with Denuvo still in the game. Though I think there's a GOG release without it. It complicates things, though, and wouldn't be possible with Steam versions without at least a crack. Yeah, sorry, no one would touch this with a ten foot pole.
Dont get me wrong i dont understand a thing about coding and game designs but i dont think this wouodve been hard to make in game, if this was every siege i would constantly lose my fortresses just for the excitement, this all looks awesome. Its kinda sad how much of this looks cool but isnt the same in-game.
1 third game set in the Fourth age in Mordor after sauron defeat or in Rhûn beyond the map of middle earth fighting the remaining orcs easterlings that followed Sauron As celebrimbor trying to get your ring back from Eltariel Allying with the elves men dwarves of the East against the worshippers Servants of Sauron morgoth 2 remake shadow of Mordor
maybe they just replaced it with the name tremor good tip any olog you have that has tremor make sure they allways attack the gates and walls they do more dammage
@@crispycream6503 Eh, so long as it wasn't EVERY single time you got cursed. Interruptions during combat can get on ones nerves, kinda like how a captain dies they HAVE to zoom in and be all cinematic... which can lead to a death.
