MiG-17 Fresco and F-86 Sabre Dogfight - Wings Over Waukegan Airshow 2014 

Take a ride in the cockpits of this MiG-17 and another F-86 Sabre during a formation flight near Oshkosh, WI! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vu8bhkTTys0.html Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for hundreds of other aviation and airshow videos!

Absolutely beautiful machines. It amazes me that some of the most amazing machines man makes are killing machines.

That F 86 in natural metal finish is simply stunning to look at !

That's some cool camo for my MIG-17 in WT

I didn't appreciate the Mig-15-19 lineage until I saw the Heavy Metal demo team perform with this Mig-17 in Lancaster, PA a few years ago. This in an amazing cold war fighter! My heart flutters whenever I see a video of it. Such beauty and power!

Great company name. Air Show Stuff A.S.S.

Old is gold...Vietnam MIG 17's put up a great fight against more modern US planes in the war here

this was some good footage. love both of these planes so much. modern jets may be vastly more powerful with huge strides in technology, but you cant beat the sophisticated look of korean war era jets

Hermosisimos los aviones de los años 60 ,bien conservados ,los f-86 ,mig 17 y 21 ,Fiat G91 ,Sukoy 22,eran bellisimos estos aviones.

The MiG-17 might have the best looking silhouette of all aircrafts... Only followed by the F86. Stunning beasts

In Vietnam the pilots in the north actually preferred the Mig 17 over the Mig 19 and the slash and dash speed of the Mig 21 with their Atolls. That says alot about its dogfighting capabilities. We had are hands full with that enemy jet for sure. Even the F100 , Thuds and F4 Phantom had to have their head on a swivel and watch out for those pesky 17s.

МиГ-17 имеет еще большую тяговооружённость по сравнению с МиГ-15, которому Сейбр проигрывал вертикаль в чистую. Так что этот "бой", чисто потешить западную публику. Тут уместнее сравнивать МиГ-17 и F-90 Супер сейбр.

Both are beautiful masterpieces. Amazingly born with a lot of German engineering behind.

Красиво, завораживает , смотрел на одном дыхании !

It is said that the F-86 was a very stable jet. I was wondering how many F-86 Sabres are flying.

The MiG is not called a 'Fresco'. That's a NATO reporting name.

Вьетнам показал все . Кто из этих самолетов имел превосходство

Красивый и надёжный МиГ17, в предполетную подготовку проверяли вооружение, сигнальный ракеты ЭКСР и заводили и устанавливали время на часах фотопулемет, из пушек почти не стреляли, бомбы иногда бросали на полигонах

nice show in reality, f-86 would have hard time to keep up with mig-17 which was a lot more powerful machine

Sabre VS Mig. - i saw just flight - not a dogfight if you suppose yo say with thish video that MIG is loose to Saber - place to cocpict proper pilot

Still, two most gorgeous silhouettes in the sky with amazing flight characteristics. True show stoppers in their own right!!!.

MIG + Russian pilot, is the best formula

Интересно, а у нас в стране есть хоть один "живой" не то что 17-й, а хотя-бы 25-й? Именно "живой", а не "мертвый" музейный экземпляр, одиноко стоящий под открытым небом? Чтобы был в состоянии произвести взлёт и посадку? Вот и я о том же...

Там где Миги эфкам не просто!

In reality the MiG-17 vastly out-performed the F-86 ... a fact that gave the Soviets the unexpected "gift" of gaining ten years' development in air-to-air missile tech: Taiwanese F-86 were modified to be able to launch early Sidewinder missile (AIM-9B) in order to bridge performance gap versus Chinese MiG-17/F-5. However, one failed to detonate... lodging in the fuselage of a MiG that managed to return to base with the missile almost completely intact.

243 сбитых сейбра против 68 сбитых МиГов )))))))) Вьетнам показал какой самолет лучше! Про Корею вообще страшно говорить...

Аааааа как классно, в War Thunder летал на Миг 15 Бис ИШ, так понравилось) А тут с разных ракурсов реальный Миг оооооо ещё и камуфляж красивый

The MIG has my favor

Its impressiv see to fighters flew together two Rivals from Korea to Vietnam and to The Cold War thanks for sharing your passion and beautiful machines to use from Carlos Portugal

Indeed both, they are beautiful, like young cheerful small birds. Thank you for your nice movie.

It would have been nice to have had a Mig 15 available for this demonstration, as the Mig 15 was the actual contender to the F-86 during the Korean War. I think the F-86 would have had a time keeping pace with the Mig 17. In any evet, a very nice video.

Beautiful aircraft and such a wonderful colour scheme

Man,a couple of real classics facing off ..what beauty and grace

Beautiful. Two legendary beasts

Красивый миг .

I'm amazed those things can fly safely after all these decades. Does anyone know what it's like to maintain these aircraft? Are the motors replaced? Original hydraulics? Do they have lots of issues or are they just made that well to begin with? Intrigues the heck out of me who can afford to own and keep these things airworthy.

My understanding is both the MiG-15 and the F-86 could go into supersonic dives but only the Sabre could pull out of one, and that there were several instances of a Sabre pilot getting a Fresco pilot to go into one and then the Sabre pilot pulled out and watched Ivan auger in.

Also, in actual dogfights the MiG generally won this. Quite simply, the MiG-15 was already at an advantage against the F-86 in most ways. The MiG-17 absolutely outclassed it.

If it was a Soviet trained pilot in that MiG the Sabre pilot would have to earn his money that day...The Koreans and the Chinese didn’t fly the airframe to the envelope like the Soviet pilots did. Pilot training and absolute understanding of what your aircraft can and cannot do makes you victorious.

🇧🇷I was admiring the beauty of both the MiG and the Saber ... until the P-51 appeared!! 😛😍

ah i love myself some 1950's aircraft simulated dogfight. just shows how far we've come

These guys were at Oshkosh this year and it was awesome to see them chase each other

They should do this with the F-4 and MIG-17. I would pay to see it.

Minor fuel/air mixture problem with the F-86?

The old Mig designs are super cool. Mig 15, 17, 21.

Просто красавец !!!!

Who was flying the F86 ??? Sylvester Stallone !!!!!

MIG-17 zur damaligen Zeit ein tolles Jagdflugzeug. Einsatz gegen Erd-See- und Luftziele.👍

Just put russian pilot to the mig, and give him bottle of vodka, and let the fight begin.

Great stuff. Those MIGs just are wicked looking.

Жаль не наш пилот! Сейбр был бы в ауте.

Allo Jeff you are a guy with you no what you a hell off a pilot thanks Jeff from the bottom off my heart from Carlos Portugal

Weak. They didn’t use the MIGs strengths. It would outclimb the Sabre 2:1

Alo Jef what a machine you got there my best regards to you from Carlos Portugal

To be honest it wasn't a dog fight. It would have been really cool to see the real effort of both pilots to get behind each other.

Hello. Anyone know why the F86 carries the colors of the Belgian flag (3 lines on the front)? Is this related to the Korean War where, I believe, Belgian pilots were engaged?

Do these warbirds still have their original engines?

Mig 17 black diamond jet team camouflage?

F-86 Sabre my favorite of the early jetfighter age.

What an outstanding paint job!

2 of the coolest planes ever made performing at the same time at an air show! Beautiful😍

+MrCaptain450 How would using the F-86 with a gun in Vietnam have reduced losses? First, by *far*, the vast majority of US aircraft combat losses were to anti-aircraft fire and SAMs. How are guns going to help us there? Second, most air to air losses were F-100s or F-105's, etc, loaded down with bombs and flying subsonic. Both of these aircraft HAD guns. In fact, the only fighter I can think of in Vietnam that didn't have a gun is the Navy F-4 and early USAF F-4's. Those guns didn't help the F-105's, F-100s, A-4's that got shot down, even those that were shot down by fighters instead of AA fire! Lastly, I don't see how the answer to the problem our primary air-superiority fighter lacking guns is to send in a 20 year old fighter with worse performance than the slowest enemy fighter. Seriously, a MiG-17 is much more powerful, faster, better climbing, higher ceiling, and has better guns than an F-86, and a MiG-21 even more so! You seriously think it would have REDUCED losses to send the F-86 into Vietnam, just because it had a gun? Remember, most of the aircraft that were shot down DID have guns, and when fighters that had guns shot down the enemy, they almost always chose a missile instead. A gun is a useful thing to have, but it's not the primary weapon, and just having one isn't going to ensure victory...especially when the enemy can walk away at his leisure because your fighter can't keep up with his. He can pick and choose the time of engagement.

The correct match up would be the MiG-15bis and the F-86E/F as that was how it was in the air war over North Korea. In the very early days of the war the F-86A was quickly sent over there but they were quickly replaced by the F-86E as production ramped up at North American and Canadair. The MiG-17 was not in service quickly enough to be used in Korea.

AMO ESE MIG-17 QUE BELLEZA DE AVION

Paint job on the mig 17 is perfect

Gee Wizzz. War sure looks fun! Where can I sign up?

The latter F86s had afterburner most notably the Canadair mfg ones that West Germany, Britain, and seveta l other NATO nation's flew in 50s early 60s, these later Sabre models could attain speeds in excess of 700 mph, yes the Mig 17 was a later modified Mig 15 with afterburner, both beautiful class jets, the Mig 17 actually gave F4 Phantoms a harder time than the Mig 21 due to its nimbleness and tighter turning radius.

That is a beautiful paint job on the Mig

at 5:28 you can see a p-51 on the bottom left corner

mig17 is superiour to the f86 since mig17 was the upgraded version of mig15s and have alot more speed and climbrate, I think the f100 supersabre was the rival of mig17 not the f86

I have never seen a MiG in such a fancy ass camo. Awesome!

The gunnery on both the Mig15 &17 was much more potent than the Korean War era F86. Two 23mm and one 38mm cannon on the Migs, compared to the six .50 caliber machine guns on the Saber. Wasn’t till later in the mid 50’s the Air Force changed the later Saber armament configuration to four much more effective 20mm cannons. The Navy F9F Panther, used extensively during the Korean conflict, was designed by Grumman with the four 20mm from the start.

I've never seen a Soviet tundra camo before and I think it looks really neat

Please note that the MIG-17 was already on duty with the USSR during the Korean War, but was not supplied to China and Korea.

Top video quality. Anyway... I'd like to see a Phantom behind the Mig17.

Hawker Hunter VS Mig17 who would win?

some comments are just out of context here this is just a show of great planes of past days anyway the Mig 15 n Sabre both had RR engines or a variation of the RR engine so if anything Britain won, even the Mustang was a good plane it only became really great after it was fitted with the RR Merlin engine

Pakistan made history by best performance of sabre in 1965 war. Hitting 9 Indian hunters.

Jfc it’s two outdated planes “fighting” for an airshow it doesn’t matter how historically accurate or inaccurate the circumstances are it’s just an airshow feature for entertainment

You ever notice that both wings are boomerang shaped?

A MIG-15 is a better match, the 17 has an afterburner the Sabre does not.

Way too many people in the comments assuming the Mig is an automatic winner. The Mig is technologically superior yes, but there are many more factors in a real fight than wing-loading, G rating, ect.. Recall that even a MiG-25 brought down an F-18!

mig- 17 is beautifull jet

Love the mig.

Did the mig have an engine failure?..

El Mig es de diseño argentino. Es el Pulqui, con algunas variantes.👏😑

I am Türk . I love russıa and russıan people.ı love putın.great leader

Those Mig 17’s sure burn clean. Surprising

In reality F-86 Sabre is not better than MIG-17 and there wasn't any dogfight, just a played chasing in the sky with horisontal manouvers. That's all, nothing else.

in vietnam the mig-17 scored 57 f-105 & 24 f-4 against 13 loses....in fact most vietnamese aces first scored with the mig-17 prior to the arrival of the MIg-21..

Эти ведра ещё летают?

The Americans had to use the Sabre to combat the MiG-15, which it wasn’t even that effective against. So I’m going to have a hard time believing that it can destroy the upgraded, MiG-17.

I loved aircrafts, especially the jet fighter aircrafts and they are swimming in my blood

Наши миги опередили на несколько лет этих сейбров по характеристикам, американцы не смогли сделать ничего лучше Сейбрз, а наши смогли

مع الأسف كانت لدى العراق إعداد من هذه المقاتلات النادرة وكنا نفتخر بامتلاكها. ولكن ضاعت بل الغزو عام٣..٢ أتمنى ان نمتلك من هذه التحف النادرة ......

2 great airplanes sabre the best my dad's friend flew sabre in Australia A94-001 ca27 variant Jim Flemming also flew Mirrage 3 both existing in museums

Oof that Sabre trail tho. Its like a Mig 21 you know where it went 15min later.

I'm smiling like a kid at a toy store. This is too cool.

I love your posts.

The MiG turned the smoke on in the turns so the F-86 could see him better. THAT AIN"T HAPPENING IN REAL COMBAT.