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Mike Bird's SEBTS Library Talk on the New Perspective on Paul 

Early Christian History with Michael Bird
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In this session, I talk about the New Perspective on Paul, the church, racism, and multiculturalism, among other things.
HT: www.sebts.edu/
#NewPerspective #ApostlePaul #StPaul #Theology #Church

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6 окт 2024

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@reallyangrysnowman
@reallyangrysnowman 3 года назад
His answer to gender and Galatians 3 might be the best I’ve ever heard. Well done.
@earlychristianhistorywithm8684
@earlychristianhistorywithm8684 3 года назад
Glad to be of help!
@geoffrobinson
@geoffrobinson 6 лет назад
I'm not sure if the speaker would agree or not, but my critique of the New Perspective (and I'm not even remotely an expert) is the following: 1) just because "grace" is used that doesn't make something grace. Ok, so it's not as bad as pure Pelagianism. Neither were the Judaizers. You add works to grace and it's no longer grace. 2) The eating and drinking stuff was important because if you weren't eating and drinking with someone you weren't essentially saying they weren't in the covenant. They get that part I think. But if you aren't in the covenant, you aren't saved. So it's about salvation. Not sure if they get that part.
@TheFatTheist
@TheFatTheist 6 лет назад
geoffrobinson I am not trying to be snarky. I am just trying to explore what you are saying from different angles. Do you have to repent of your sins to receive this grace from God?
@geoffrobinson
@geoffrobinson 6 лет назад
I'm not sure if I would say you receive grace based on your response. God's grace is His unmerited favor. He creates a new heart in us which leads to both repentance and faith. So no one who doesn't repent will be justified or saved. At the same time, people want to define repentance in such a way that means sinless perfectionism. I would avoid that as well.
@Liminalplace1
@Liminalplace1 5 лет назад
The way it's presented it just sounds another version of a social gospel or ecemenicalism and leftist attraction. All previously failed ideas. It fundamentally misses the point that unity is in Spirit.. the common experience of the Spirit of which the charismatic movement essentially has achieved without organisational structures or tweeted theologies. As an Anthropologist I understand the boundary marker idea...No doubt Dunn borrowed it from our discipline. But as far as justification goes I think it's still Godward though less individual and more covenantal. Justified ought to simply understood by the popular notion of JUST AS IF I NEVER SINNED. (Justified) regardless how that's worked out. All ppl have SINNED but all ppl are just as they have never SINNED by faith in Christ or in Christ. Ofc that means we accept all who believe in Christ as family.. But they still maintain ethnicity differences and communities.. It's just not their primary identity before God like idolatry..I think this relevant in missions in Thailand and Philippines.. to break the trust in being Thai/Buddhist or Filipino/Catholic calling both to trust only in Christ and his savalation for identity before God
@michaele5075
@michaele5075 4 года назад
As soon as you said "God justifies Jesus" I knew you were full of nonsense.
@michaele5075
@michaele5075 4 года назад
God can't justify Jesus...Jesus never did anything wrong.
@Iffmeister
@Iffmeister 4 года назад
@@michaele5075 well to "justify" means to "declare righteous". Justify doesn't actually mean forgive. So God the Father declaring Jesus righteous doesn't imply Jesus wasn't righteous before. God says "Jesus is righteous", and because we are in Christ we are justified too
@michaele5075
@michaele5075 4 года назад
@@Iffmeister You obviously don't understand the courtroom language surrounding Justification. Its a declaration of acquittal of charges against you, not a declaration of being king of the land.
@michaele5075
@michaele5075 4 года назад
@@Iffmeister To "declare righteous" in the judicial sense of justification is to declare you "in the right" (i.e. not guilty of the charges of sin against you).
@Iffmeister
@Iffmeister 4 года назад
@@michaele5075 no, I do know it's courtroom language. That just isn't necessarily how Bird is using it in this context.
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