You know you can actually start uploading your videos in 60 FPS now cause RU-vid has that support right? Or are you unable to do it cause your computers aren't powerful enough to handle the rendering size?
Cinemassacre hey, ill mange those cables for you for a nominal fee. Seeing that N64 controller cable bendt underneath the console made my cable OCD flare up and my eyes water.
[Coury] Mike this set up is looking great! You've really caught the bug with this stuff. It can be so much fun to tweak and optimize, you almost forget to actually play games for a bit. Glad to see you working with some of our good friends to pull this together. Congrats and enjoy!
Coury, the way you hide your cables in your own setup is so insanely impressive. The planning and thoughtfulness you put into your setup definitely shows.
To die hard emulator fans: setting up physical consoles/games is part of the collecting hobby. To us, that "unnecessary hassle waste of space" is endearing and a joy to set up. It isn't much different than a trophy or china cabinet. We're also attracted to the more authentic feel that official consoles/controllers/games provide. It takes us back to the past in a way that emulators can't.
Glad to see the improvements! No turning back now, LOL. I've never heard of a LaserActive being fully RGB modded. I think you can for the Sega and Turbo cart and CD games, but for the LaserDisc games I haven't heard of that being done since it's composite video (AV) straight on the discs themselves. I suppose it could be done if you go crazy. I'd love to see someone try. I still need to RGB mod my 3DO to play the nearly dozen good games on the system but the RGB kit no longer seems to be made. Oh, and about to RGB an Atari 2600 here...
After you help me get my LaserActive RGB modded, you can get all my Tiger Handhelds done in RGB. What's scary is I'm half joking.. Thanks for watching! -Mike
No way in hell a CRT is more energy efficient than a LCD, and it's warmer mostly because the CRT is boxy as hell giving it better airflow. Just to power the cathode ray tube on a crt would probably power the whole LCD
No need for those, there's mods available to take it's place. Or you can simply use the Wii since at it's core the Wii is just an overclocked and slightly modified GameCube.
Well I live in Iceland so I would probably be better off just asking the hospitals or the tv stations if they got some older equipment that they want to donate :)
MonsieurHiroshima That's so true! I have a mx7000 Bang & Olufsen crt, and it has a really good screen, but it has also THE BEST SOUND I've ever heard. Modern televisions ain't got sh*t in comparision.
I'm appalled how I was playing with RGB Scart in 1992 with my Snes here in Italy, and that in USA they are still playing Snes with composite right now, a quarter of century later.
I love the dedication you put into playing the games on the actual hardware, all those cables and costs just to bring us the gameplay from the actual machine is amazing. It'd be so easy to stick an emulator on the PC but you don't and I love that you don't.
That right there is a nice old broadcast monitor. I'm seeing more and more people using them over old CRT TVs. They're dirt cheap because the industry doesn't use them anymore but they're rock solid and have amazing I/O options. Plan on getting one myself to hook up some old consoles. Good choice Mike!
Mike, in nearly a decade of watching all of Cinemassacre's videos (more than twice), this has to be one of the most interesting ones that've been posted. Too cool, man. Too cool. Thanks as always, fellas, for all the years of hard work and dedication.
I think the next step may be upgrading some of those cables Mike. Both Monster and Audioquest make excellent component output cables for the Wii (Audioquest's has a better 3-D air to the environment space and a better white point, Monster's has better color and clarity). The best currently produced vga to rgbhv or vga to rgb breakout cable for the money is Steren's Python vga to rgb/rgbhv. It's better than far more expensive cables, and the comparable or better ones are no longer being manufactured. It's usually available for $15 or less for 6 feet, but I'd recommend longer than you need due to how thick it is and the fact that it's curled up and needs to be a bit conditioned to straighten out out of the packaging. I believe Wireworld, Audioquest, and QED all make high quality scart cables, not sure of the prices secondhand off of eBay though.
Not gonna lie, the Secret of Mana thumbnail got me to click right away. Excellent setup my man. Going to listen to the Secret of Mana soundtrack now! 🎶🎵🎶
Must be nice to have the INSANE amount of money it takes to mod all those consoles, and get a framemeister. That's the one thing none of these damn RU-vidrs fail to mention. That's a multi thousand dollar setup.
I'm planning an RGB/HDMImod upgrade after I move to my new place. I game a lot, and I plan to do more gaming content in the future, so I might as well go all out.
If the Genesis is the system to use RGB on, it's a good thing that even the American versions naturally accept the cables. That and a Framemeister take care of business. :-D
I'm from Europe so there might be a difference, but there are RGB cables for PS2 and Xbox, I have them hooked up to my framemeister. Also I was wondering, do regular CRT TVs not support RGB signals in the US? Here you can simply plug the SCART-Cable into the TV, and like every TV will output the RGB signal, if there is one. (there's also composite via scart, oh and I think scart is called "EIA Multiport" in the US? )
girlsdrinkfeck thanks for your response! Amazing how such technologies develop so differently, even though we probably have / had the same TVs (brand and models)... Just with different ports...
No, you fucktard, he is obviously not talking about the 90s since the PS2 and Xbox were released in the 2000s. In the U.S., consumer CRTs from 1998 onward had component video inputs but they never had RGB scart inputs you fuck.
We luckily got TVs with scart and RGB in UK with better quality picture, so our PAL consoles had extra attachments not needed for NTSC because their TVs didn't come with it as standard. Like the little scart brick to stick on the end of composite leads.
I would love to upgrade my N64 to HDMI, but I don't think I trust myself to tackle that single-handedly . Where do you bring your systems to be upgraded to RGB or HDMI?
The one and only thing I never look forward to when it comes to recording (or at least thinking up how to record) is the goddamn cable management. It's okay if you only have like six systems, but when you include like 10 or more systems it gets hard, you need splitters, enough sockets etc and oh boy the moment you need to be back there to redo something is the moment you wish you had done it right from the getgo.
i personally use av to HDMI upscaler boxes i buy from ebay, and specific consoles such as Wii and PS2 i have adapters that directly plugs into the output port of these consoles and outputs the signal to an HDMI port (you can find them by searching "Wii to HDMI" or "PS2 to HDMI"), so if you would like to use more of HDMI cables, i highly suggest looking up those devices, since they are also very cheap to get.
I did a component video mod on my Laseractive. similar to an RGB mod. it's not as hard as you might think edit: just to be clear, the component video only works with the sega and turbografx-16 PACs. the laserdisc games are analog composite and will never be anything better than that
Nice, you picked up the same or almost the same monitor I have (I've got the medical version of the 20L2.) I have a couple videos of recording video directly from the screen with a DSLR, but clearly if you can capture RGB over the wires that'll be better for gameplay videos. Lookin good, Mike!
I've always found it odd that there was never a proper RGB solution in the US. Here in the UK it was always just the standard. I can't even imagine having to watch DVDs or cable TV through composite video, but I presume that was all that was available to you. I wonder why you missed out?
OK RGB done, now you have to add better sound to your consoles too ;) ..i done a SPDIF mod on my SNES some while ago and it really made a big difference in overall sound clarity :)
Ooh. This is awesome. I was wondering if you guys were aware of RGBs, since you always played from composite. One very important thing that you must do on your monitor, is to attach 75 ohm termination (adapters?) to the 4 RGBs out ports on your professional video monitor (tv). You'll see the brightness and contrast of your games improve greatly. The colors on your games will truly pop.
Fantastic setup! Although I'm sure you're aware, if you wanted even superior audio and visual quality from your genesis, I would suggest investing in a model 1 motherboard revision VA3 genesis. As it has the best audio and visual circuitry out of every other model and motherboard revision of the genesis. But of course that's just extra insanity!
You are wrong that DVD recorders record at 30fps. Yes the files contains 30fps but they record at 480i 60fps and combine the 60 interlaced fields into 30 frames. Any good video editing software will deinterlace that back to 480p 60fps. Though their deinterlacers are optimized for true 480i video so 240p games will look bad. You can use a program like Handbrake that can do BOB deinterlacing which is perfect for 240p footage and get 480p 60fps from your DVD recordings.
That setup is so clean now! Great work on getting it all converted for RGB. Very cool for sharing this, super glad you are getting everything situated. Still a jumble of cables but more manageable I think. Interesting mods on your older consoles to keep them up to date and playable with the newer gear.
If you live in Europe, you have no excuse to not use RGB. We are blessed with scart ports right on the back of our TVs, so no need for any framemeisters or stuff like that, just buy the cable and enjoy.
Congratulations on finally upgrading to RGB. Just be aware of certain games like Driver, Silent Hill and Chrono Cross, those games cause blackouts in the Framemeister whenever they switch resolution. There's a cheaper SCART to HDMI box that handles those problem games seamlessly.
I have a Vectrex as well, don't knock it. Web Wars is great! ;) As far as systems, I have: Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Atari 800, Atari XEGS, Atari Jaguar, Atari Jaguar CD, Amiga CD 32, Apple IIe, AVS, AV Famicom, ColecoVision, Commodore 64, Dreamcast, Famicom, Famicom Disc System, GameCube, Goldstar 3DO, HTC Vive, Intellivision 2, LaserActive, PlayStation, PS2 (Slim), PS3, PS4, NES Front Load, NES Top Loader, Neo Geo CD, N64 (Jungle Green), Retron 5, Sega 32X / CD, Sega Genesis, Sega Master System, Sega Saturn, Switch, Super Nintendo, Turbo Duo, Vectrex, Wii, Wii U, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One Thanks for watching! -Mike
great setup, Mike, what happened to those xrgb or fury or what where they called that upscaled with only one frame lag to hdmi? i presume its something similar electronically you have had done with your n64, from analogue to digital at least, just without scaling maybe, since that is actually not the slow process from my experience. I read somewhere gpu scaling now adays is actually done in nano seconds, not even milliseconds, so thats absolutely amazing in preserving the ability to play old outputs, not just view them
Need that multi rgb box. I have all my systems that do rgb and a modded snes mini rgb running to a generic hdmi upscaler box. Need that Framemeister to complete the setup. We really got screwed as kids not having the rgb option Europe had. ha
Yeah rgb is a deep rabbit hole and once you go down it it’s addictive as hell! I currently don’t use scart but do have my Xbox, PS2, & Wii hooked up via component video-Sega Master System, Sega Genesis/CD2/32X, & SNES component as well via cables from HD Retrovision (fantastic quality!), PS4 & Xbox 360 are HDMI-N64, PS1, & Dreamcast are via factory S-video cables (not RGB but way better than composite video) NES front loader is still composite video(May RGB mod my top loader in the future) and finally my Atari 2600 is just RF( no desire to mod this as I hardly play it) all of these run to a CRT minus the HDMI stuff.
Great video, I've never tried RGB unless you count regular Component video/S-Video/VGA and other PC inputs. But I recall noticing the difference instantly when switching an XBOX 360 from A/V to Component while on the Gears of War 2 menu screen. I couldn't read a damn thing on A/V but on component it was crystal clear. This was on a modern (2005-ish) CRT TV, about a...25-27 inch one where reading any sort of small text easily wouldn't be expected. So yeah, it definitely makes a difference. I'd say you're doing it all pretty acceptably considering it's all used for recordings. Not really too crazy.
Hey Mike, Question: I noticed that you capture game footage at 60.00 fps, and was wondering if you have had any issues. I ask because, as a video producer myself, I'm aware that the true standard of 60fps is actually 59.96 fps. Similar to how true 30fps is actually 29.97 fps. (At least in the US.) So I was curious if you were you experiencing any kind of audio drift (audio slowly going out of sync) on your game capture footage, or any other kind of other weirdness. If you are, well now I hope you have your answer. And if not, then that's very interesting to me. Take care!
Nice setup! I love my RCAs. Composite AV works just fine for me, but RGB looks awesome in a CRT. I'm actually playing my Master System games through the Power Base in RGB and they look amazing.
I have an old Blaze VGA adapter I used to use with my PS2. Made a huge huge difference for the games that supported it way back in 2004. I think burnout 3 was a full 480p.
while I can see the point in modding consoles for improved video recording in Mike's case, I feel it destroys the authenticity of retro gaming when you're doing RGB/HDMI mods for your personal collection. you might as well play on an emulator at that point.
