I look at it as Tomlin almost LOST that Super Bowl. No way should such an inferior Cardinals team have been leading so late into the fourth quarter. Steelers' individual talents, not the coaching pulled that game out.
Just like Steve Kerr! Jerry West and Mark Jackson developed Klay and Steph and handed over a loaded championship ready team. Mark Jackson got so screwed. Anyways, that Stealers team was stacked and a very well run franchise 💯
@@ButterGram I think he’s a players’ coach, too. Never hear of any quarrels or spats. I imagine they’ve vouched for him a lot. Coach-owner relationship is vital, too. Billicheck would’ve been long gone with Tomlinson’s record, they were NOT besties hahaha
Thank God he's finally being rightfully critized. This guy has been coasting off massive talent his GM has given him for his entire coaching career. He won one ring with Bill Cowher's team and also owes it in part to Bernard Pollard injuring Tom Brady. Imagine having nearly a decade of Ben, Brown, and Bell all in their primes plus a top 10 defense and o line nearly very year during that same time and making one super bowl.
Don’t forget 3 likely future HOF offensive linemen David DeCastro, Marquis Pouncy, and the legendary 6’9” decorated Army Ranger Captain who completed 3 tours of Afghanistan before becoming an NFL pro bowler, Alejandro Villanueva! 🫡
“I don’t think he’s a great coach at all. He’s a nice coach; he’s really a cheerleader, but I don’t know what he does. I don’t think he’s a great coach.” -a winner.
The standards for these things like Halls of Fame have changed in the past 10-15 years or so. With that in mind he may just make it in. Not that I disagree with you.
No hes not. He hit the lotto when the Steelers hired him. Hes the biggest fraud in football. If he got hired by any other team he would have been canned 10 years ago. Hes worse than Marvin Lewis
Steelers havent wom a plsyoff game in about ten years thats how terrible these idiots are now. They have totally become apathetic and tolerant of losing.
The pontificating is absolutely incredible from a dude who won a Super Bowl in his SECOND season, and only three TOTAL playoff games the last 13 years.
Its insane that the NFL report cards show the players regularly giving the Rooney's an F on the Ownership question while people like David Tepper only get a D-. The rest of the report card also shows how cheap ownership can be as it comes in the bottom half for things like training, family support, and travel.
LOL I hate both teams. But I am steelers defector (born and raised) because they are implicit with losing. So I root for their failures in the most hilarious and extreme ways possible. Tho I cannot bring myself to root for the Ravens LOL. You guys have a strong shot this year tho. Good luck!
Ya, you were shaking in your boots that we didn't see you in the playoffs. I think over the 4 years we are 7-1 over you guys.... As a Steelers fan I have hate but respect for the Ravens. I never want to see you win but I like that we both play some of the most competitive within an organization of all time. With that being said, I have total hate and disdain for the Browns and Cowboys. Seeing them both lose in the playoffs this past weekend was satisfying enough for me to not be so disgruntled about our failed attempt and loss to the Bills.
@@skap_attack The Steelers have ALWAYS been one of the NFL's "darling franchises" that can do no wrong and get break after break from the league. The refs always favor them, they get multiple primetime home games year after year, and their players can do whatever and get a slap on the wrist (Big Ben). So Tomlin is trash if he can't win with those advantages. But they won't fire him. It would look bad for the franchise that forced The Rooney Rule upon the NFL to fire a black coach. Good. Suffer, Rooney's!
I can't thank you enough for this video. As a Steeler fan for decades, this issue has been bothering me. I was own of the very few who wanted Bruce Arians to take over..but... Credit to Tomlin's Superbowl win should go to Bill Cowher. The standards has really fallen. Chuck Noll (continue to Rest in Peace Emperor Chaz) would probably be seething in his grave.
I used to be an ardent Tomlin supporter. But that Cleveland playoff game broke me. I finally began to see all the criticisms of him were true. Under achieving during the regular season (except for 2020), and not being prepared come playoff time. It happens every year and all he has to offer is empty platitudes and rhetoric, which the media loves. He once said, “I have the best job in sports.” Well of course he does. Imagine having a job with zero accountability, and a host of media willing to defend you when you fail. I’d call that a dream job too. You said it best, he loses when it matters most and never gets called out for it. Just compare him to Mike McCartthy a guy who’s guided his team to three straight 12-5 seasons and lost in the first round of playoffs every year. He’s on the hot seat, at least according to the media. Why is he treated differently? Is the never losing season thing? Because they both won a Super Bowl.
Wow... This is the best video I've seen regarding Tomlin. I've been a Steeler Fan since 72. When Franco just got there and to see how Tomlin is just raking us through the mud, it's just disgraceful for the last 8 years. I've been wanting them to get rid of him, but. I know how the Steelers are. They don't get rid of anybody. It's. It's to their detriment to be so loyal. Thank you for this video. I'm glad someone could see what all Steelers fans are seeing, and it's really ashamed....😔
tomlin will coast into the hall of fame or some shit for never having a losing record even if a significant number of years they barely passed .500 and got knocked out of the playoffs instantly he was never a truly great coach, he was horrible at managing egos which blew up great steeler teams through the years, and he lucked out early on to have some of the most talented players in steelers history that didn’t need a ton of coaching anyway. also, frankly, he’s black and the media has a hard on for inflating the careers of black people in these fields.
Non-Steelers fan here: I have nothing but respect for the organization, but they’re a far cry from what they were built upon and yes, it does start with Tomlin. He has done nothing to keep the team relevant, the team hasn’t developed their young players like teams past. It’s just a sideshow now. There is no way a player like Pickens could have behaved the way he has under Cowher or Knoll. No way! Change definitely seems necessary.
Pickens, Bell, Juju, AB. he constantly ignored and deflected and undermined the chaos they created. I will not say that Tomlin made them cancer but he certainly enabled the cancer
Tomlin has got to go. Are they going to create a new category for a "great coach" in the NFL. The most winning seasons. Well ain't that a hoot. Remember tomlinites, this season started with Mikey T getting out coached at home by a good team, and ended with this team getting out coached by a good team. Everyone in the AFC North has won a playoff game since the Steelers did it last. If this guy sticks around,it will be a lot more of the same. Sick.
Agreed Sir. Tomlin is overrated. That year he went running his yap with the media about New England, overlooking JAC and got boat raced at home by Blake Bortles. Shameful
The national media loves him and the local media won’t criticize him because apparently they are “scared” of him. Also the Steelers are too loyal. Tomlin is an average coach
I think Tomlin, McCarthy and Tomlin are great coaches and none of them should have been fired. Cowher had a few losing seasons and was also a great coach.
I remember the Steelers from the 60's. They sucked, but they weren't an embarrassment. Tomlin's an embarrassment and his team is playing down to his incompetence. Rooney needs to sell his team to someone who cares about the fans and has the kahoonas to fire the fraud head coach and his entire coaching staff, and hire the right people to bring the franchise back to glory.
Step 1: Designate a Prominent Black Figure in The Sports World (Lebron, Steph, Tomlin) Step 2: Make False and Illogical Statements about their Accomplishments Step 3: Say a Bunch of BS in a Dramatic Tone Real Sports Fans see the pattern here. Mike Tomlin is one of the Greatest Coaches I’m NFL History. Lebron is one of the Greatest Hoopers in NBA History, and Steph is the Greatest Shooter in NBA History, and this 🤡 pays his Bills by disparaging their Numerous Accomplishments. 👏
If the media is defending someone you know they are probably garbage. I can't wait to see Lamar Jackson play this weekend... I will laugh so hard if he loses.
YOU ARE PREACHING NOW! Stand by for a Lamar video in 3....2....1....IF he GAGS at home off the bye to a rook QB. I am the BIGGEST Stroud guy there is this weekend. I might get a Stroud TAT if he takes care of business for me.
@@skap_attack Last year, I talked all kinds of smack on Jordan Love...I take it all back. I was wrong. He might even be my favorite player now since he cowboyed DEM COWBOYS!!!
I can't see Lamar losing in these playoffs under Todd Monken they are peaking at the right time and with the most dominant defence in football under Mike MacDonald
Overrated Barry Switzer at best is mediocre Mike Tomlin. The great franchise of Pittsburgh covered this man’s inconsistencies for a long time. It’s all out now !!
You do realize that the Cowboys have only 5 playoff Wins in the last 28 seasons meanwhile you're over here trash talking Pittsburgh for having a bad 13 years where Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell held the team hostage with their diva antics.
@Skap Attack Mike Tomlin is NOT a fraud. He is a Hall of fame coach. His winning percentage is higher than both Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher. Chuck Noll won 4 super bowls...in the 1970s with Hallo of fame QB Terry Bradshaw. Yet after the 1979 season, he was mediocre at best, and never went to the Superbowl in the 80s or 90s. They could never again draft keyword draft a hall of fame level qb. More on the "front office" and "ownership" failures which you failed miserably to highlight. Yet you're not criticizing Chuck Noll, are you? Come on now. Chuck Noll had a 16-8 record, yet most of those 16 wins came under Hall of fame QB Terry Bradshaw. 14 of them to be exact. After there last Superbowl appearance, the Noll went 2-4 in the playoffs without a hall of fame QB. Please tell me, where's Tomlin's hall of fame QB? Why aren't you blaming the front office for not drafting a good QB? So you're telling me that guys like Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph are better than guys like Mahomes, Jackson, Lawrence, Allen, Burrow? Yes Tomlin inherited a good team. Yet he went to 2 more super bowls. You don't watch football do you? Bill Cowher inherited a playoff team when Noll retired. Guys like Greg Lloyd, Dermotti Dawson, Rod Woodson, to name a few, were building blocks that led to instant success for Cowher. Yes they drafted Big Ben which led to Cowher and Tomlin each getting a Superbowl. I repeat where's the energy at the front office and ownership for not drafting a good enough replacement for Big Ben. While Bill Cowher has a 12-9 playoff record. Before they won 4 playoff games en route to winning Superbowl 40, he had a record of 8-9, some of that with those great players you claim Mike Tomlin inherited. Oh yeah in Cowher's last season, that great team, with Dick Lebeau as coordinator went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. So please stop being like the media you criticize when it comes to LeBron. Stop making false narratives. Tomlin missed the playoffs 6 times, yet Cowher has missed almost as much with 5 times and yet Tomlin has 0 losing seasons, something, Noll (3), Cowher (3), or Belichick (8, 3 in the last 4) cannot claim. Just imagine if Tomlin once again had a hall of fame QB.....just a thought. Unless you're telling me Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky, or Kenny Pickett are top 5 QBs in the league. By the way, TJ Watt, their best player and Minkah Fitzpatrick, two key defensive standouts did not play in the playoff loss vs Josh Allen who according to your video is not better than Mason Rudolph because it's all Tomlin fault. I thought the NFL as a QB driven league. Last time I checked, even after Lebeau left, they continue to play great Defense. They are doing this with below average QBs whom the front office drafted and/or traded for. Stop painting false narratives. Oh yeah it's easy for teams with Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers at QB to win playoff games, but you failed to mention that.
Tomlin is a good coach its just time to move on. I can appreciate when its time to move on but i think guys are crazy. Im a lions fan MFErs don't appreciate anything. Id kill to have had the Tomlin era in Detroit.
Someone is only a fraud if they personally go around claiming to be something they are not. So if other people misplace their own beliefs upon them they are not frauds people just need to mind their own business.
Lmaooo Bruce Arians is getting the credit?? Yeah he won a SB with Tampa as head coach but that was after they signed Tom Brady, the same Tom Brady that made Bellichik's losing/failure of a head coaching career up to 2001 all of a sudden look like the greatest Head Coaching resume ever for about 20 years
They just cannot get out of their own way. He just informed the organization he would be back. HE TOLD THEM! After winning 3 playoff games in 3 years...
Not gonna pretend that Tomlin's coaching record been great in the playoffs last several seasons, but I'm shocked hes even coached some of those Steelers teams to the postseason. He had like 4-5 BACK UP Quarterbacks starting after they moved on from Roethlisberger & the front office has done a MEDIOCRE job at best in supplying him with good to elite talent. They literally held on to their best players too long or trade/let them walk for a pack of Skittles. I dont even know how he's managed to NOT have a losing season over the years. We've seen way more talented teams perform worse week end & week out. Therefore to call him a FRAUD is a out of pocket. No one had any real expectations for these Steelers & if you say so, youre lying 😂.
History of winning? The Steelers won 4 championships between 75-80 and didn’t win again until 06 and 09 so tell me how this man ruined their tradition of winning
Part 2: On Mike Tomlin - If Tomlin sucks, then your coach sucks too. Want proof? Cowher was just as big a disappointment. Cowher got to just as many super bowls as Tomlin did, won just as many SBs as Tomlin did, he took CHOKED several big playoff games (losing to Drew Bledsoe in 2001 is borderline unforgivable given how bad Bledsoe was under pressure throughout his career). Cowher, unlike Tomlin, had losing seasons. Tomlin has 7 division titles to Cowher's 8 division titles, but I'd argue that Tomlin's division has been HARDER to win than Cowher's was during his time in Pittsburgh. Cowher is 12-9 compared to Tomlin's 8-10 but that is literally the difference between one good playoff one in which you make a conference title game and a couple one-and-done years. The TOTAL empirical difference between Cowher and Tomlin is MARGINAL at best. They both won one close SB. They both lost one close SB. And here's where i REALLY feel like your argument doesn't work: NFL COACHES in GENERAL ARE OVERRATED. QBs are more important than the coach. If Tomlin had Brady, he'd have 8 Super Bowls and look like a genius. Before Brady, Belichick had FOUR LOSING SEASONS in 5 years for a Browns team that, contrary to popular opinion, was ACTUALLY GOOD before Bill got there. They had made the playoffs 4 out of the previous 6 seasons before Bill got there. They have a TOP 6 WIN % of any franchise of the LOADED 80s. They were NOT perennial losers before Bill got there; Belichick is the one THAT STARTED THE CHRONIC LOSING IN CLEVELAND. Before Brady IN New England, Belichick took a team that made the Super Bowl with Parcells (the real genius, not Belichick), and was .500 or BETTER under Pete Carroll, that HAD NOT HAD A LOSING SEASON in FOUR YEARS, to 5-11 and then 0-2 with the highest paid QB in the NFL, Drew Bledsoe. With Brady IN New England, after they became a dynasty, the ONLY season they didn't win the division? Brady was hurt in 2008/09. THe ONLY season they didn't make it to the playoffs after their 2nd SB win in 3 years? Brady was hurt in 2008/09. After Brady IN New England, Belichick put up 3 LOSING SEASONS in 4 years, with the WORST OFFENSE the NFL has seen in over a DECADE. That's how putrid NE's current offense ranks. With Brady? The highest PPG AVERAGE in NFL HISTORY of any QB at 28 PPG. Belichick is 84 - 103 WITHOUT Brady. He has ZERO DIVISION TITLES in 11 seasons without Brady. ZERO. Point. ZERO. He has ONE PLAYOFF WIN IN 11 SEASONS WITHOUT BRADY. 1. Far, far, worse than Tomlin. Harbaugh was going 7-9 without Lamar. Get's Lamar and is now contending for Super Bowls. Yes he won a Super Bowl, but he won that SB on the back of RAY LEWIS and Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs, 3 HOF caliber defensive STUDS, and Flacco going Super Saiyan during that run (which i REFUSE to ascribe to Harbaugh given his inability to coax anything near that kind of performance from Flacco thereafter). By your criteria, I'd argue Harbaugh is overrated. (Unless you think Lamar is overrated and Harbaugh is actually carrying him, which i bed to differ). Bruce Arians. He had ONE good run with Carson Palmer, got blown out by Cam Newton. Was below .500 every season in Tampa as QB "guru" until he got THE GOAT to win him his lone ring after Brady put up 4 straight 30+ point playoff games (all on a torn MCL). No Brady = NO RING FOR ARIANS. Give Tomlin Brady and he looks like a genius too. Lets see. Andy Reid is exempt. He's a LEGIT genius level head coach. Won with everybody. So good, people thought Kevin Kolb was a franchise QB lol. So good, he made Alex Smith look like a borderline Pro Bowl QB. Has OWNED the AFC West since he arrived AFTER OWNING the NFC East with McNabb. Reid is a legit top 10 coach all time. Sean Payton had several below .500 seasons in Brees's PRIME because he couldn't fix their defense. Good coach, but he made one Super Bowl, won 1, and hasn't been back since. Tomlin at LEAST made it back twice. Dan Whittaker in Detroit is doing some great things but its still too early. Ditto for Indy. Ditto for Ryans in Houston. LaFleur has to MAKE it to a SB first. He's looking really good so far with how he's coached up Love. McCarthy? LOL. He is an even bigger representative of your thesis than Tomlin is! He has LOTS of talent and chokes every year with ROGERS (who is better than Big Ben) and now Dak. Sirianni? This years collapse is telling. Washington? Lol. Giants? Lol. Minnesota? Too early to tell. Chicago? We shall see. Vegas? Inept ownership (could really apply for most of the teams in the league TBF). Chargers? Staley is garbage but Herbert is also a choker. Bengals coach? Missed playoffs with Burrow. Can't seem to fix the offensive line. Without Burrow, he hasn't won anything. And we shall see if he can really coach now that he has to lose one of boyd or Higgins. Stefanski? He's a good coach. Beat Tomlin head to head with Baker only to LOSE to a ROOKIE CJ Stroud - which only reinforces my point: QBS are wayyyyyy more important in terms of winning/losing games than the head coaches. Wake up guys. Stefanski just got OUTCOACHED by a rookie HC in Demeco Ryans and a rookie QB. Pederson? He has a SB ring but missed the playoffs with Trevor Lawrence after a bad collapse to the season. Got fired from Philly after hitching his wagon to a BAD carson wentz. It's ALMOST AS IF GOOD COACH cannot CONSISTENTLY out perfom BAD QB play. Hmmm, notice a theme here? Nick Foles, plays out of his MIND in the 2017 playoffs. They hand the keys to Wentz, he craps the bed, can't read a defense, panicks under pressure. The result? Pederson gets fired. Perhaps if Pederson had CJ Stroud instead of Wentz, he'd still be in Philly right now racking up wins. Pete Carroll. How many playoff wins does he have since 2014? See...I'm making sense now. Cardinals coach? Too early to tell. Sean McVeigh? ELITE. Took Goff to the Sb. And then WON the Sb with a better QB in Stafford. Still remains to see what he can do once the Rams core gets too old and Donald and Kupp fall off. But he's EASILY a top 5 coach in the NFL NO QUESTION. Losing season last year was a blemish (5-13) but perhaps COACHING IN GENERAL IS OVERRATED. Why? LAST season, the Rams were BAD. They were the first defending Super Bowl champion to finish with a losing record since the 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the first defending Super Bowl champion to miss the playoffs since the 2016 Denver Broncos. To add to all those struggles, the Rams went 1-7 on the road for the first time since 2011, when the team was still based in St. Louis. That's bad bro. But he gets a pass for that season because of the incredible work he did all the seasons before as well as getting the team to recover the 2nd half of this season and perform better. Kyle Shannahan? ELITE. He has one SB under his belt and several conference title games. Matt Ryan looked like Dan Marino under Kyle and they were one 2nd half collapse from winning the 2015 SB in large part to his work as offensive coordinator (until his IDIOTIC playcalling cost them in the 2nd half). He took Jimmy G, an average QB to the SB. Something similar to McVeigh with Goff at the time (Goff has since improved). Shanahan, however, before he got Purdy had a LOSING RECORD IN San Francisco without Jimmy G. He's missed the playoffs in San Fran with his starting QB injured. Tomlin has gotten his team to the playoffs MULTIPLE times with his starting QB injured. Shanahan is a top 5 coach but can he PLEASE win a Super Bowl first before he starting crowning him as the next offensive Einstein? McVeigh has earned it, Shanahan has to seal the deal. So how many coaches can we reasonably say are better than Tomlin right now? Andy Reid McVeigh Shanahan MAYBE Pete Carroll Tomlin is BETTER THAN HARBAUGH: 18-15 vs Harbaugh, including wins with BACKUP QBs. Give Tomlin Brady, or Stafford, or a LEGIT QB and he can work wonders. Big Ben was washed his last 4 seasons and Tomlin paid the price for sticking with a QB who was already past his prime and fat and out of shape. Guess what? Tomlin has a FAR better win % without Big Ben than Belichick has without Brady AND McVeigh has with his backup AND Kyle Shannahan has with his backup. Only Reid has a better win % than Tomlin (over at least a 10 game sample size) without his starting QB. Like I said, it's not a BAD video, just a whole INCOMPLETE video. You are holding Lamar and Tomlin to a HIGHER standard than the media is holding several other coaches and players past and present. Such as Peyton Manning, who ESPN had the audacity to name the most DOMINANT football player of the century in 2016 lol, go look it up; or Sean Payton, who was never on the hot seat despite three consecutive 7-9 subpar seasons with PRIME Brees (although I do give credit to Payton for maximizing Brees's talent and enhancing Brees after a serious shoulder injury). LOVE your channel, LOVE your work, will still be your biggest fan on here, but i stand by criticisms. The two videos aren't terrible, but they are NOT contextualized anywhere near well enough for my liking. My guess is he probably has to win a playoff game next season or he's out depending on how the season goes. You're still the RU-vid GOAT!
McVeigh does some boneheaded things too. You think he could've used those timeouts he wasted, one in the first few minutes of the third q? BB took Mac to the playoffs after losing the best QB ever who's been in the fabric of the team for a decade+. McVeigh still had his QB the next few seasons and all I heard is excuses for him. Which other coach would get those kind of excuses when they still have their SB QB? I'm not saying BB doesn't have soemthing to prove without Brady or McVeigh isn't a good coach. But to say BB can't win after Brady left to say McVeigh is undoubtably a great coach is crazy. You had some really good points overall. The fact is, it's hard to win in the playoffs especially without a top level QB.
I love how the media targets coaches like McCarthy, Harbaugh or Sean McDermott. Demanding they all be fired after their most recent playoff failures, yet Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 8 years with 4 straight one and done playoff losses. Yet no one in the media is calling for Tomlin to be fired??? Funny how that works
Everyone needs a friend like Stephen A Smith. You can have a losing season, suck at your job, commit a crime and as long as you're black, Stephen A Smith will brush all of that off and support you lol. Tomlin hasn't been as good as a coach as everyone is giving him.
I never liked Tomlin. He inherited Cowher's team to win the Super Bowl and has not utilized the talented player he had for all those years. Ben should have had a few more super bowls at least. Bring the Whiz back
Calling him a fraud is a bit of a stretch. Its not like Mike is pulling a LBJ calling himself the goat. Tge Rooneys are notoriously loyal to their coaches. This isnt new. He won a Superbowl and went to another. How many coaches can say that? If hes a fraud I'm waiting for the Bill Cohwer video next.
I thought you were trolling when you started making your points LOL "this coach made TWO SBs and won one while this coach made TWO SBs and won one" LOL Then "this coach had an 11-11 while this coach has an 8-10 " like if one of those losses was a win that would make it OK? "one of the most winning teams" meanwhile Tomlin has won exactly the same amount for the same years before him being there, two SB appearances and one win, almost same regular season wins, one game below .500 compared to .500. I clicked on this video because I legit thought Tomlin has underachieved. And while he definitely has in the playoffs, your video actually made me appreciate him to some extent. Your videos are usually on point except for the Steph ones, but in this one, the arguments really missed the mark. I'd say this, he could be underachieving without being a massive FRAUD.
Calling a coach that regularly gets his guys to the postseason a fraud is wild, but consistent early exits in the playoffs are legitimate reason for a coach to lose his job in any sport. Especially with THAT many shots at it, and a coach free agent market that includes Harbaugh and Belichick.
Steelers have more playoff wins over that span than the Browns, Jets, Dolphins, Colts, Texans, Titans, Jaguars, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Cowboys, Giants, Commanders, Falcons, Panthers and Cardinals. That is more than 50 percent of the league that the Steelers have more playoff wins than over the thirteen year span between 2011 and 2024. That's not even counting teams they're tied with over thaf span like the Bills and Bengals.
No one thinks Bill Cowher is a bad coach and yet his numbers are nearly identical to Tomlin's. Yes, Cowher achieved slightly more than Tomlin with less talent, especially at the QB position, but the fact remains that Tomlin is a very good coach. That being said, losing to freaking Tim Tebow in 2011 is unacceptable, giving up 45 points to Jags in 2017 is unacceptable, and giving up 48 to the Browns is unacceptable. Tomlin's tenure has peaks and valleys for sure, when he had good rosters he either won/made it to the Super Bowl, or disappointed in the playoffs. Nowadays, when Steelers don't have a good roster, he takes them to the playoffs but cannot compete against the best teams and best QBs, which is understandable. It's a mixed bag; some good, some bad
You take Cowher's players away and Tomlin literally has no success at all that's the point all of his success came from a team that was constructed by Cowher.
#1 Tomlin going only 8-10 in the playoffs versus cower going 12-9 is highly misleading. If you take the 2005 season that the steelers won the superbowl in context you can see just how easily cower ends up with the same record except worse than tomlin if the refs, err, steelers didn't go on the most improbable (dirty) superbowl run in nfl history at that time as the 6th seed who had to destroy the career of an 05 mvp candidate, Carson Palmer, by destroying his leg on the second play of the game with an obviously dirty hit, getting the colts on the only bad day they had that year and still needing the most accurate kicker of all time to miss a field goal to win, beating a vastly overated broncos team in the afc championship and winning a totally fair and not rigged superbowl which still to this day is argued over as the second most rigged superbowl of all time second only to superbowl 3. If the steelers didn't destroy one of the best QB's in the leagues knee in that first playoff game, cower ends his career with a, well what do you know, a 8-10 playoff record. Except Cower, unlike Tomlin, wouldn't have a superbowl ring. If there ever has been a rigged playoffs to get a team to win (for bettis, for cower) the 05 playoff run of the steelers is still considered the closest example of it. #2 To say that tomlin winning one less division title than cower helps to prove that cower was a vastly superior coach is laughable. Yes, cower has one more div. title but lets look at the competition each coach faced. During cowers tenure, his division opponents went a total of 398-481-1 combined with a win percentage of .453. Yet, tomlins tenure saw a combined opponents record of 395-423-7 with a win percentage of .483. It doesn't sound like much but those 3 points are huge, especially when you consider that in the 2017 and 18' seasons the Browns had a combined 1-31 record. Cut those two seasons for the browns out and you have a over .500 win percentage. However, that is not the best point to come from my analysis. For cower, from 92'-06' his division opponents had a winning record only twice and neither of those years(99' and 06') did cower win the division. Yet, During Tomlins tenure, the steelers division had a winning record SEVEN times and the steelers won the division TWICE in those seven years! So, not a single time did cower win the division when it had a winning record but Tomlin did it TWICE, and both of those years (14' and 20') the AFC North was the best division in football with a win record, both years of 38-25-1 (.603). So while yes, tomlin is down one to cower, i would argue that Tomlin did it against tougher opponents, finishing with a higher win percentage than cower and winning the best division in football twice compared to cower not doing it at all. #3 cower doesn't have basically the same win%, he has a worse win percentage by 1 point plus tomlins won 24 more games that cower. why did cower retire anyway? Oh yeah, thats right, that steelers team that was soo "plush" with talent went 8-8 in their last season under bill cower coming fresh off that superbowl win. The same squad that won the superbowl (minus bettis) barely scraped buy a .500 season with the legendary bill cower until tomlin came along and went 10-6 and 12-4 in those first two seasons with that same squad??? this is also forgetting that over a 3 year span teams can change dramatically. Drafts and trades and retirements. So this idea that Tomlin won because of what cower built is a bad argument at best and reaching for straws. #4 The idea that Cower just didn't have talent at the QB position is simply wrong. Both O'Donnell and Stewart were ProBowl Quarterbacks While Maddox was the 02 comeback player of the year leading the steelers to a 10-5-1 record of which he was 10-3-1 and they almost went to the afc championship that year save for a overtime field goal loss the the Tennessee Titans. People also forget, Big Ben might have been a good quarterback but he had a ton of struggles Himself with the motorcycle wreck, his trouble with women and legal woes. Along with that, if you do the same math with Ben as i did with cower you will find that abscent that dubious 05 superbowl run Big Ben would have ended his career with a playoff record of 9-11 and only one superbowl as nobody questions the steelers run to the superbowl in 07 (just the win). Ben had problems performing too. Yes, ben was better than the other list of QB's but to throw everything on tomlin is shady at best. Don't forget, in 2010 Ben was suspended for the first 6 games where the steelers went 5-1 without him and 7-3 after his return. These are just a few of the issues with this video. I could go on but ive spent way too much time on this already. To sum things up: Tomlin won more against tougher division opponents and has no shadow of "rigged" allegations over his superbowl win and he has yet to walk away. Remember, cower was facing these same arguments the offseason before he finally won the superbowl. Everyone seems to forget.
BOOM! And nobody better say "Cowher made those QBs pro-bowlers" because those are the same people that say Tomlin having the 3rd most pro-bowlers is a DETRIMENT.
I think all these old school 15year plus NFL Coaches(Any Reid, John Harbaugh, Tomlin, and Belichick) are only good as their quaterbacks which explains their production or lack there of. On coaching skill alone along with a solid defense, Tomlin will get you 8-10 wins but without a dynamic QB don’t expect much more.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6Meh. The 49ers have been solid for years by relying on a solid rushing attack with a hard nosed defense. Jimmy G and Purdy aren't really world beaters in my opinion.
Didn't they win a Super Bowl with him and make it to 2?? Also how was it ALWAYS the standard until he got there when from 1980 to 2005 they won 0 super bowls and made it to just 1 Super Bowl and this was without Tomlin. Also Bill Cowher, like Tomlin, won 1 super bowl and made it to 2 with the Steelers but he was part of the WINNING STANDARD??
Skap.... you are hurting me brother. Please don't kill Tomlin like you do LeFraud.... LOL Let me give you my perspective.... Tomlin is a motivator and never a true Xs/Os guy. Tomlin has to have a strong OC and DC under him. Dick Lebeau and Todd Haley for examples. His huge mistake is thinking anybody can do a job. He makes mistakes that the common couch potato would never do. Like hiring up from a QB coach position an unproven guy with a poor and failed college career as his OC to coach up first and second year players, Matt Canada. That was the dumbest thing ever. Tomlin wasted talent and 4 years of building up with hiring Canada and potentially a year or two more depending on who the hire next. Bottom line and point I'm trying to make for Tomlin is there are multiple different types of coaches in the league. Some are motivators like Dan Campbell and how Bill Cowher was. Some are X/O guys like Bill Bilichick. Some are great offensive minds like Andy Reid, Sean McVay and Matt LaFleur. Motivators have to have strong OCs and DCs under them and that's what Tomlin lacks. The players love him and will run through a wall for him and that for now is why he's not going away anytime soon. When you have people like TJ Watt and Cam Heyward having his back, that's a special bond that won't be broken. Now Skap stop deviating and get back to killing LeBron's legacy. LOL
So the man has coached for what 16 years has never had a losing season, wins a Super Bowl, coaches the team to another Super Bowl...but sucks because he couldn't take a team with Mason Rudolph past the Bills. The Steelers have won two Super Bowls since the 70s and Tomlin has won one of them.
I've been a Steelers fan since 06. I'm going to say what most won't. He should have been fired after losing to Tim Tebow in the playoffs. The only reason he got those 2 SB appearances(1 SB win) is cause he was left with Bill Cowher team(coaches and players). Once everyone left or got old, we haven't done anything meaningful since. We lost are Steel Curtain mindset and honestly I can't even watch a full game. Hopefully Russell Wilson redeems himself. Best thing MT did was get Minkah Fitz and bring in Flores.
Yep, it's a damn shame! The number of "black" coaches compared to pink ones in pro sports is totally out of hand! 😏🤡🖕🏾 Pink people have it so rough I tell ya😔
By all accounts, I think he's a good man. Definitely somebody you'd want in your corner on a personal level for this journey called life. Unfortunately, he (along with some of the front office) has been underwhelming for the majority of his tenure. At times, you'll see sparks of greatness. But he's just never been able to piece it all together on a consistent basis.
@@jamesdjl4359being a good guy isn’t enough for an nfl head coach. Who else keeps their job year after year of failures because “they’re a good man”. It’s laughable
@@skap_attack simply put it this way: Lebron James is also two games under .500 when it matters most. Allegedly neither have had enough help despite Ben Roethlisberger and Dwyane Wade being pretty good players from what I recall
Since yall hate stability, I hope yall get a new head coach every 3 years. If winning the Super Bowl was so easy, there would be dynasties every couple of years. If ya don’t like the dude and want change just say so, no need to be calling someone a fraud. I’m sure your ass has never coached an nfl team. It’s easy to sit back and criticize everything when you have hindsight as a benefit. Couch GMs and couch coaches always know more than everyone. Aint that something? Just sitting on your couch with all this knowledge, no idea why teams aren’t clamoring to hire all you couch coaches and GMs.
There has been no stability in Pittsburgh aside from failing in the playoffs every year. Tomlin won a Super Bowl in his SECOND SEASON. This was his 17th year this year. He’s 3-8 in his last 13 years in the postseason despite having the third most players selected to pro bowls during that time. Just because I am not an NFL coach and would not be as good as Tomlin at coaching doesn’t mean there isn’t a MASSIVE amount of people out there who would be MUCH better.
I know nothing about american fotball but I dont know why hearing you spitting facts left and right about anything makes my day so I watch every single one of your videos.
Damn, that is INCREDIBLY high praise. I am extremely grateful to have you on board and supporting the channel to that level. And don't worry, back to basketball tomorrow or the next day! I appreciate you 🙏❤
@@eazymoneymane7789 if his standards are the same for football videos as basketball then he most likely is. Also this comments took the words right out of my mouth
Mike Tomlin is equivalent to coaches like George Seifert and Barry Switzer. They all have the commonality of inheriting and riding off a stacked roster from their previous regime. But they all did little to almost nothing to improve or leave an impact on their team.
@@Kings0424 yeah, by default. Yet, someone like Marty Schottenheimer is the only 200 regular season wins NOT in the HOF. And probably won't because he choked in the Playoffs. Much like Mike Tomlin.
It’s channels like these that really take away from the beauty of sports 🤦🏽♂️. You have a guy trying to sway peoples minds and tell people Tomlin is a fraud of coach. When it’s simply not true…but hey this is the American way…
Did you watch the video? Can you explain how the Steelers have won THREE playoff games in THIRTEEN YEARS, which is 20th best in the NFL over that time. And that is while they have had the THIRD MOST Pro Bowl selections over that time frame. What coach can do that? MANY!
@@skap_attack can you explain how having pro-bowlers is a DETRIMENT? Coaches are supposed to elevate their players and Tomlin is doing that. If not, agree to disagree and I am excited for your Lamar Running Backson video after his Sunday playoff choke job!
Mike Tomlin isn't a fraud drafting Kenny Pickett was the worst thing they could have ever did when are we going to stop blaming head coaches and hold Quarters backs accountable this head coach narrative has been going on for years
@@PhillipCummingsUSA actually Ben roethlisberger always been a overrated system QB the first half of his career he was carried by the defense the second half of his career he was carried by Antonio Brown
@travonteoatis-henderson240 Bruh shut the hell up. Big Ben is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and probably the best quarterback in Steelers history. What the hell are you talking about
