When Florida State Played Georgia, we all expected a good game, but instead what we got was a bleak, painful reminder that Bowl Games sucked and are completely pointless...
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Isaac. Congrats on your success and appreciate you making punting more popular! Nicely done. While this specific bowl game was extremely disappointing on so many fronts, there were quite a few great contests this year. The point I would make is that college football is an entertainment business. Bowl games, for the most part, are still entertaining. Being a Notre Dame fan, it was great having opt outs in our bowl game because we got a preview of 2024 with a bunch of younger guys playing. But I totally hear what you’re saying. Still, it’s a great experience for the players like you mentioned, and they elongate the season giving the fans the opportunity to watch more college football. Keep up the great work and be blessed!
Georgia played because they were placed in the rightful position, FSU didn't play because they earned a playoff spot and it got robbed. The committee robbed them of there rightful playoff spot and FSU decided to rob them back.
You're right, they did get snubbed, but there is a larger problem here. Players not playing in bowl games completely removes the importance of the game. Unless things change, bowl games will just be a second string scrimmage. Also there are too many of them, no one cares about or really even wants to participate in the Tostito's bowl.
Bowl games don’t matter that’s why players don’t play in them. Not playing offers them more positives. It gives there younger teammates a shot to play while also keeping them from unnecessary injuries. There’s really no reason bowl games should have ever existed the sport of football should always have a playoff every level of football has a playoff and therefore an chance for every team in that playoff to win a ship that’s how the sport is meant to be played
@@drewlally2324 4 Most deserving means FSU had to be in as an undefeated P5. 4 Best teams means Georgia should have been in. Committee got it wrong no matter which way you slice it.
Can you blame a senior for wanting to skip the meaningless bowl game and avoid injury if they have the chance to be a high draft pick though? Nobody has ever waved a foam finger chanting "We're Number Five."
They have no importance anyway. The championship is already decided. If the NFL matches up random teams as consolation prizes would the top players sit like preseason. For sure!
100 percent right. Before the playoffs, some bowl games were more prestigious than others, but each school was playing for team pride, ideally at a warm weather destination where alumni and fans could enjoy new year's together. Now, there's a strict demarcation that identifies which bowl games matter and which ones don't.
Yes. The playoff system is incompatible with the bowl system. Playoffs destroyed the bowls, insofar as them having that special meaning for each school. Now few people care. I mean, I do for my team. They're not a team that's ever gonna play in a National Championship, so the bowls have (or used to have) a personal, magic "super bowl" quality to them. But that was all some time ago.
When 8 more teams make they playoff there's either going to be a few less or some sub five hundred teams getting in. Also going from three to eleven playoff games should suck up some TV slots. But man, postseason records are going to fall with teams playing three or four games some years. Don't think it could happen. Georgia this year at number six was a prime candidate for a potential four, let alone three.
Corporate greed is the biggest problem. ESPN broadcast all but three of those games. NIL money will destroy college football. But that is just my opinions so layoff haters…
@@jonathankotecki2408 because these kids are quitters and don't want to deal with the what if....what if you get hurt during a meaningless game against a division 2 team? What if you decide to come back for a senior season to get hurt game 1
there's some thick irony with all of this. Before they created the 4 game playoff that pretty much everyone was begging for, the argument for the status quo at the time was "Every Bowl game is a Playoff/Championship" now it seems that has been proven right
Georgia had control of their destiny and lost to what appears to be now a relatively weak bama squad (at least by bama standards). FSU did everything within their power, even when adversity struck, and won out but got rejected by the powers that be outside of their control. Georgia came in swinging because their pride had been wounded fair and square and they needed to prove they were top-dog (which i think they actually are) and distract people from realizing their failure to succeed in the most critical moment allowed this mess to play out. FSU was understandably apathetic because they were basically given a pat on the head, told they had a great season, and were instructed to go play the actual best team in the country (who could have avoided this mess for both of them) for no more than "bragging rights" instead of the real goal they had fought all year for. UGA had something to prove or at least remind people of while FSU felt they had proven themselves but were denied anyway.
I think Georgia did have something to prove, not necessarily that it was that they were the better Team to put in the playoff. I think the unfortunate message that Kirby was sending to the NCAA was that the Portal, NIL and and Opt-outs were making college football, which was always supposed to be, but isn't, about amateurism and playing for your team and your school, a pro-lite sport, and that that is destroying the thing that made college football what it was. Sad that had to happen.
@@Dr.MidnightThe Texas > Bama > Georgia H2H matrix solved that puzzle. But FSU being left out was criminal. The committee was inconsistent with their own criteria. Deserving > best mattered when it came to leaving Georgia out, but best > deserving mattered when it came to FSU being left out.
One of the big turning points in the relative importance of bowl games to the players, imo, had to be the 2016 Fiesta Bowl - Jaylon Smith getting his knee annihilated by Taylor Decker is what catalyzed the opt-out frenzy of the last several years. His drop from a virtually guaranteed first rounder to a mid-2nd changed the perspective quite a bit, had college athletes reevaluate whether playing in these games was worth it or not. And now, especially with the CFP committee being the circus it is, it sucks the life out of the non-playoff NY6 games.
CFB players can still play in bowls and mitigate financial losses. For example, Willis McGahee took out a multimillion dollar insurance policy to play in the Fiesta Bowl.
People forget that a lot of FSUs seniors, most prominently Jared Verse, were expected to go the draft after the 2022 season. They already put millions of potential NFL dollars on hold. Then they get told those games dont matter because some random administrators didn't think they'd win.
Some say there are too many bowl games and they’ve become meaningless. It may just really depend on the logistics. I went to Texas State and we just had our first bowl game ever. They played it in Dallas so most fans who care to go can realistically make it. If it was put somewhere across the country then yes, it may have looked pointless as many other bowl games have looked. Just go look at the end of the game and what it meant to all the fans, for teams like Texas State, this past bowl game was peak football whether others value it or not.
Ironically, UGA did the same thing way back in the Matthew Stafford days against an undefeated Hawaii who legitimately had people arguing they should be in the National Chamionship. UGA players were seen dancing on the sideline by half way through the 3rd quarter.
Interestingly, UGA had its FSU moment in the 2018 Sugar Bowl against Texas. For different reasons they didn't want to play Texas, thinking it was beneath them. They had no interest in the game and, consequently, they laid an egg on national TV. Win or lose, Kirby has had his team ready to play ever since.
That was brutal to watch. I thought that Colt Brennan was going to get killed. I'm a life-long Georgia fan and I was yelling at the TV for June Jones to take him out before he suffered a career ending injury.
2020 was the only year where bowl games weren't financially worth it. Every other year, you're looking at millions in revenue for the individual schools. Considering what it costs to run a D1-FBS football program, you would be potentially putting your job on the line to say "no we're turning down this opportunity."
As a clemson fan, i absolutely did not have the narritive that our offense would go out and win the game in the clutch going in, but now that absolutely is a big part of my narrative for the team. Sometimes the game can change your mind on things, sometimes fans are too emotionally dug in to even properly experience the game(FSU). Go tigers 🧡💜
This year’s orange bowl didn’t ruin bowl games, and I was there to witness that beat down. It’s the Playoffs and the committee ruining college football and making the post season meaningless
turned the playoffs into the “SEC invitational” and they picked who had higher ratings fucking trash corruption and politics in college football for some reason
@@cjackmondI mean you can by making them forfeit part of that NIL money like a nfl player would if he decided he didn’t want to play at the end of the season because they can’t make a Super Bowl
That's where we are with bowl games; outside of the playoffs, the only bowls that are relevant are complete memes (good on the Pop-Tart Bowl for setting the meta)
this is one of the 3 games that killed bowl games. The first one was baylor vs ole miss in 2021 because matt coral who was one of the best qb prospects of the 2022 draft (granted it was a weak QB class) decided to play in the bowl game in which it got him hurt and ultimately tarnished his NFL career. This amplified the surge for draft prospects to sit bowl games so they don’t get injured. The other two are TCU vs Georgia and FSU vs georgia which go hand and hand because (imo at least) TCUs blowout loss led to a ripple effect leading to more reason for FSU’s snub which is when i feel bowl games officially died.
I mean, the CFP killed bowl games, and expanding it to 12 teams next year will kill them even more. That's all there is to it. Before the CFP, having the 3 v. 4 team play still meant you'd get a really good non-championship bowl game, and it legitimized bowl games more generally. Now, there's the playoff and there's conciliation prizes. Why would players risk injury-potentially millions of dollars or even a shot at the NFL-to play in a conciliation-prize game?
@@DanielFolsomThey shouldn't, but I'd happily sacrifice an entertaining Pop Tarts bowl if it means we're getting a legitimate playoff with 12 teams, would you not?
@@lesunshineworshiper11 I mean I think the 12-team playoff will be more exciting ... but I also think it's real bad that they're implementing a 12 team playoff when the players still aren't being paid. Football carries a lot of risk to players. There's a reason the schedule is only 12 games (13 if you count conference championships). But a 12 team playoff means that championship teams will be playing in 4-5 more games-so 16-18 games total. And, in order to add these games (and profit making machines) to the schedule, what did the NCAA have to give the players in return?? Oh right, nothing.
I feel like one critique I’d have is this: FSU fans were not upset with what happened in the Orange Bowl. That game absolutely meant nothing to us, and we had nothing to prove. Going into it we have any hype or desire to prove ourselves, and it was a glorified scrimmage to us with the chance to see our young guys practice. Nothing else. And apparently we managed to make everyone else in CFB angry, so… bonus?
@@geraldarmstrong5646 No it wont. FSU got blown out of the 97 sugar bowl 52-20 by florida and FSU went on to keep getting top 5 classes well after that.
Getting snubbed by the committee meant something for recruiting. All Saban and Smart have to say is they don't get in undefeated. We get in with a loss. Where do you want to go?@@geraldarmstrong5646
@@geraldarmstrong5646 Anyone who has ever strapped up and put a foot on the field knows exactly why this meaningless bowl game went the way it did. Top tier recruits will completely understand the decisions made by NFL hopefuls, injured players, and transfer portal players looking for a different opportunity. The fact is, the CFP Committee did more harm to FSU recruiting by snubbing an undefeated ACC Conference Champion than anything Orange Bowl related, by a wide, wide margin.
I remember WMU going on a tear the one year and qualifying for a no-name bowl game. No one was really excited... until they realized it was in the Bahamas.
The difference was that Georgia lost their conference championship, the last game of the season before the bowls, and ended with a one-loss record. Georgia felt like they had something to prove, that the loss was merely a fluke and they still should've made the playoffs. But on the other hand, FSU ended the regular season undefeated at 13-0 and won their conference championship despite being down to their third-string QB, showing their strength through adversity, but were still snubbed despite all of that. The first time ever in playoff history that an undefeated power-5 conference champion was left out of the playoffs. It obviously felt deflating for FSU, because by winning out and going undefeated was already proof enough that they deserved to be there but not to the committee's eyes. It also didn't help that these same "experts" have been ragging on them all year long saying they didn't deserve to be there despite all their accomplishments. The committee showed FSU that going undefeated didn't matter to them, so why even bother playing in another "meaningless" game at all, let alone play the whole season? Even if FSU beat Georgia and stayed undefeated, they still wouldn't have been national champions, since they were snubbed from the playoffs. The most they could've done is title themselves national champions like what UCF did when they went undefeated, but that would've felt like a hollow victory at best. The hypocrisy of all this is when the committee and ESPN considered FSU a "completely different team" without Jordan Travis, yet when the roster opted out vs Georgia and FSU played nothing but third-stringers and true freshmen (who never played a single snap in college up to this point), they point and say "See, this is why we snubbed them from the playoffs!" as if it was the same team that played during the regular season. Also when they pick the top 4 teams, they themselves say they pick the "best" and not the "most deserving." If that was the case, then why was Georgia not in the top 4? Even with their loss, they were still arguably the best team in the nation. If it's only "the best" teams according to a room of totally unbiased "experts", then what's stopping them from just putting in the same 4 schools they want in every year like Alabama? Both Georgia and FSU got screwed, but for different reasons.
You mention FSU being the first undefeated Power 5 team to be out of Playoffs, but forget that UGA was the first team to enter Conference Championship week as the undefeated #1 team and then drop out of the top 4 regardless of the outcome of their Conference game. Every other undefeated #1 team going into that week has been in the top 4 even if they lost their conference championship.
@@light-master That's why I said they both got screwed in different ways, but leaving out an undefeated power-5 school that won their conference championship is arguably worse.
@@Cringeous This is proof that ranking by votes is one of the worst things about college football, and it's the only level of football where that happens.
8:13 Georgia didn’t have opt outs. But the team was NOWHERE near “full strength”. 11 injuries and 20 transfers. And Georgia was missing a few of the best offensive players in the country.
I completely agree with you. It is hard to want to know who is number one while caring about the bowls that used to matter. I used to love the Rose Bowl because it was the Big 10 vs Pac 10. It was tradition. Now it feels, meh! Something happened when tradition was lost in favor of crowning a unanimous national champ. I only watched one bowl game, the Michigan game, and all the other ones seemed so insignificant.
As a fan of a smaller school that's never going to be competetive enough for the CFP and often isn't even ranked, especially with NIL and the portal making the gaps between schools larger, I feel bowl games do still have some purpose. When getting 6 wins is an accomplishment, earning that bowl is awesome. For our school it's a chance for the players, band, and cheer squad to play one more game and to get a cool experience against teams from other conferences we'd never usually play. But I totally see how it would feel pointless for teams who weren't ranked quite high enough - feels like you missed out on something better, instead of earning what you did get.
It's too bad the Committee doesn't do it correctly. The Playoffs should be the Conference Champ of ALL the conferences. Then we can see who is really better. I would like to see some of the "smaller" schools compete (and beat) some of the big guys. This would make it more interesting. You at least have a shot to prove yourself.
@@JustSomeInsight-cr4xm At least a non-Power 5 team will make the playoffs every year starting next year. They're taking the 5 highest ranked conference champions, and there's 4 Power 5 conferences since the PAC-12 is dissolving, so at least 1 makes it.
There are other contributing reasons why bowl games are dying. The transfer portal is the first that comes to mind. Immediately after the snub Fsu had bench players declare they were planning to transfer so they didn't play in the bowl or risk injury. And with NiL there is a financial incentive to not playing in the bowl which supercedes any gifts and boons the bowl might provide. Not to mention the very real trend of draft eligible players getting injured in bowl games. 2020 and 2021 also showed that if a talented player opts out of a season and exclusively focuses on drafts NFL teams will still draft them. Skipping the bowl to have a less dangerous way to prepare for the combine also makes sense
ESPN is one of the reasons for NIL destroying college sports. They wanted student-athletes to turn pro before actually hitting any professional circuit. The transfer portal is also dumb because it coincides with class scheduling. That's why a lot of players bail. They have to hit the class registration window and move, even if there's a post-season game coming up. In reality, though, most players transfer because they want to make more NIL money. When you get paid to play a sport, that's the very definition of a pro player, and ESPN is largely to blame for players having no school loyalty anymore.
@@AdderTude Players getting paid has been going on for a lot longer than the NIL. Look at what killed SMU football. And seeing some of these players getting other incentives long before NIL. Kids these days have realized the value they bring to NCAA football and are standing up and demanding their due. When the school can take their scholarships away if/when they get injured, why shouldn't the students get money to put their bodies on the line. But since the NFL doesn't have a minor league system similar to MLB and relies on NCAA and NCAA requires their players to be students then the transfer portal has to coincide with class schedules. Unless the NCAA starts football season earlier so the bowl games start in November instead of mid-December, this is the landscape of NCAA football.
As much as I agree with your key points, being a part of a college football team as well does allow me to appreciate what bowl games offer the opportunity for teams to have extra weeks of practice. I think there is an interesting dynamic with bowl games nowadays with the ability of players to opt out due to their future aspirations of NFL play, I think it is very important for the younger talent, second or third strings to have a chance to step up to the plate and contribute against an opponent that is unfamiliar. Despite all the flashy and vacation qualities of a bowl game that allows the team and players to have a fun experience and receive nice gear and gifts, I think it ultimately it lets a team have another shot at being that years team and potentially end it on a high note, and come out with a win going into next season. I do think that teams who do not receive bowl games are worse off for it simply due to the fact that they have usually two weeks less of practice, and one full game less of experience for their younger members.
As a longhorn’s fan, fsu got snubbed. But some bowl games do have meaning. Like a group of 5 team that had a 10+ win season and they get to face a solid power 5 team to prove that they can hang with the big boys. Or when a team barely earns a spot for a bowl game after consecutive losing seasons and they beat their opponent that had a better record. And the BCS era was not much different when teams like Boise State and TCU were snubbed out of the bcs bowl for not being a power 5 team. And when Oklahoma State got denied to play at the BCS bowl but the comity chose Alabama (who didn’t even play at the conference championship) instead when it’s obvious they chose them because they bring in more views and revenue.
Ik this sounds stupid but I went to FSU and when you say “Florida” it means you’re referring to UF not FSU; FSU is always “Florida state”. Just thought you should know people get really particular about it down there.
My alma mater (James Madison) got into their first bowl this year, the Armed Forces Bowl vs. Air Force. In the time between the end of the season and the bowl game, our coach left to go to Indiana and took most of the staff with him. So far 10 players have also transferred to IU and our starting QB, Sun Belt PotY, also hit the portal, although he did play in the bowl. We lost despite AF being on a four-game skid coming in. So while it was cool going to the first bowl game in program history, it's really hard to tell how good/bad JMU actually was and how good/bad AF was. AF doesn't have to deal with transfer portal shenanigans. It was cool for JMU to have a miracle 11-2 second season in FBS after 8-3 last year, and even going to a bowl was neat. But so many bowl games were distorted by the transfer portal, culminating in Georgia/FSU, it's just wrecked bowl season. Something's got to change.
My alma mater’s (Croly Hoss) previous head coach is y’all’s new coach! I don’t know much about your coach who left, but Chesney is fantastic and y’all are lucky to have him. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing JMU in a lot more bowl games to come.
@@pjkerrigan20I am stoked about Chesney coming to JMU. He seems like an excellent fit and a great coach. Our AD (who is retiring this spring after about 25 years) has hardly ever put a foot wrong on coaching hires during his tenure and it looks like his last one might be another good one.
The transfer portal is meant for class registration for incoming transfer students and thanks in part to ESPN, athletes are using it to chase money deals rather than for education. The transfer portal should be used only for academic reasons and thanks to Disney, it's turned far too many players into mercenaries. As an example, DJ Uiagalelei went from Clemson to Oregon State and after the Beavers were relegated to the Sun Bowl against Notre Dame, Uiagalelei jumped ship and went to Florida State, leaving the Beavers to get routed by the Irish.
@@AdderTudeIt's crazy. Our (JMU) first year in FBS we got Todd Centeio from Colorado State as literally a seventh-year grad student (thanks redshirts + COVID), we were his third school and he led us to 8-3. We just picked up one of the backup QBs from Washington. It's literally free agency. And as a alum of a G5 school and a proud follower of the Sun Belt, which is a really entertaining and competitive G5 conference, it hurts us way worse than it does the big boys in the Power 4.5. Because our best talent gets poached by the power schools dangling those big NIL deals in front of them and in return we get their benchwarmers and castoffs...which are good for G5, but still the talent drain is mostly one-way. Frickin' insanity all around.
As my dad always said "They already have all these bowl games, use them to make an actual playoffs and make being ranked in the Top 25 actually mean something."
So make it meaningless by having every team get in? Being in the top 25 is its own reward. Thats why we talk about wins over top 25 team's. It doesnt mean you deserve to be in the playoffs. If your dad wants to see teams like Michigan and Alabama slaughter Louisville and Tulane, he needs to reevaluate what hes doing with his free time. Thankfully hes not making decisions.
@@fenixchief7 and is a 32 team playoff any better than watching Georgia drop 60 on an undefeated Florida State? College Basketball has stories of teams vastly under-ranking opponents in March and still coming away on top. Imagine the Oregon vs Liberty game if there was more on the line, maybe Liberty would've played their absolute minds out, at least to keep it close or even a false sense of hope that they could come back. It brings up more and more questions as to why only what some committee has to say that a 12-1 Georgia team that has done nothing but be dominant throughout the year deserve to be cast out into a bowl game that means nothing? Why not give them another chance? 4 teams being the only ones to compete for a national title is the only reason the Power 5 conferences even exist. With a genuine playoff bracket, any self-respecting team in their conference would have a chance to show they can compete with the big dogs.
@@fenixchief7 The NFL gives half the teams a chance to play for the Super Bowl. If college football went to 16 or (better) 32 teams for playoffs, that would occupy 15 or 31 bowl games. Bowl games would matter more. There were 130 teams in the FBS in 2023, so not even 1/4 of them would be in. Every $EC fanboy would have a hard-on with their teams in, until they lose and say "Bowl games mean nothing if it's not the Natty" like always. But the bowl games should matter. If we cut back on some low revenue bowl games (we don't need a Jimmy Kimmel game), the games would be better.
As a Husker native, NOT going to a bowl game the past few years does feel bad. I get why they don’t matter for skilled teams, but it’s fun to see the players another week and feels valuable after coming off a losing record previously. Here’s hoping 2024 🤞
I think the only narrative that bowl games are truly pushing is "please give us money, we want money, the tv makes money and you should give us some of it." Except for playoff bowls, not a single one of the 477 bowls matter one little bit. They are just a chance for players to get hurt for nothing. Maybe, MAYBE, the players get to go somewhere cool and get to be treated well in the week leading up to it. But most bowl games are cynical cash grabs in places like Shreveport (the Independence Bowl). And I say that as someone who has lived in Shreveport for the last five years.
I remember also another incentive was the players getting some pretty cool gifts from whatever Bowl they were playing in. But NIL money also makes those less appealing
i’m a mississippi state fan and our bowl game last year was incredible. our coach mike leach had literally just passed away and we finally got back to a bowl and won it
I think that the entire cfb system is hurting the game a lot. What if all of the top players on your favorite NFL team sat out only because they are entering free agency. No sport should be run like this because it removes any competitiveness unless it’s for the CFP.
Imagine NFL players being allowed to bolt after their rookie season. What if CJ Stroud bounced from the Texans, before the playoffs, to get more money at a different team.
I still can't believe bama got in over georgia. I would have put florida state and georgia ahead of bama. Bama had so many bad games early in the season, and close games against mediocre teams
@@clay5677 SEC favoritism is more like it. The CFP chair (Boo Corrigan, the athletic director of NC State) voted against a school in his own conference. Perhaps he's a friend to Saban and Smart, as CFP and weekly ranking committee members are often buddies with each other.
@@Yamulo True Georgia had a better season but it is win and go home in the CFP and when qualifying for it. Georgia lost that win and go home game against Bama, so why would a team that just loss to another bidding team still be preferred.
Things that have made bowl games irrelevant: 1. The BCS/CFP 2. The glut of bowl games added over the years to the point where a team with a losing record can get in. 3. Player Opt Outs. 4. Transfer Portal
I have a solution.... The transfer portal should not be open until after the last bowl game is played. Opting out should not be an option unless declaring for NFL..Period.
As a USF fan, I think Bowl Games are pretty good when the teams have something to prove. We USF fans will be insufferable, blowing out Syracuse 45 - 0, we say we could get into a power 5 conference, but give it a few more seasons.
@@AnilGupta-dr4vryeah but they struggled the most against FSU in comparison to every other team. I'd like to see the orange do good in the coming years
@@hipplel Totally fair, they definitely had a rough season. Recruiting under the new HC is looking good so far, let's see if it translates onto the field!
This reminds me of Alex Smith Utah team snub. They went on to obliterate Alabama in the "Consolation Bowl" to prove that they should have been the team to play in the Championship game. What did they earned from it? A 24 hour coverage of "They should have been chosen" then nothing.
@@billblaski9523Correct. Smith was the QB for Utah in the '04 Fiesta Bowl. The BCS felt that a team from the WAC couldn't hang with any BCS conference team, so they allowed Utah to play Pitt - considered the weakest of BCS conf champs - and Smith and the Utes kicked their ass.
Utah actually has an official NCAA national co-championship with Florida for that year now. The NCAA updated the record a while back. Also, that wasn't Alex Smith, that was Brian Johnson. Alex Smith won the Fiesta bowl a few years earlier vs Pitt.
crazy to think its only been a couple years since teams just had to argue about the top 2 instead of top 4. glad to see it's going to 8 but sad it happened one year after seven teams had a legit argument to be included in a playoff
Bowl games used to be my favorite time in the year before the playoffs were a thing. Previous generations knew that college football was about beating your rival not winning the national championship. They didn't even have a national championship game when I was younger.
That’s dumb bowl games are dumb and college football is dumb for not having a playoff like every other form of football has. Little league has a playoff, middle school has a playoff, high school has a playoff, nfl has Playoffs bowl games should have never existed and the playoffs shouldn’t be based off rankings that are voted on
@yrgredpanda2366 Saying things you have not experienced is dumb is it epitome of ignorance. Watching elite teams beating the average good football teams 63-3 or 65-7 is dumb and that's what the playoff would be. Go ask Brady or Manning if they think bowl games are dumb.
@@jamessaibot5681 and I’ve experienced bowl games as a recruit and as a player they don’t matter the only thing cool about a bowl game is the stuff they give you
@yrgredpanda2366 You were probably trash with that mindset. You love the game, you love to play, anytime, anywhere, dominate your opponent, and support your team. God I bet your film was awful. Go look at Georgia's film, those guys don't think it's dumb, but they are competitors.
The only reason FSU players had to play for in the orange bowl is the millions in revenues the conference gets from being in it. I'm 100% on the players' side in this. Yes they get a scholarship, but it is at the coach's whim. They can get dropped at any time, so don't give me that "free tuition" line because it is "free tuition so long as their coach doesn't need their scholarship for somebody else." With a 60% football graduation rate (2019 being the most recent football specific year I can find data on) free tuition from a nonfootball perspective only matters if you graduate. As a fan, I want to see a good game, but I can't fault the players for making a rational decision to opt out and not get hurt the way Jaylon Smith did a few years ago. But what about the "it is their chance to show scouts what they got" argument? That's something to consider if there was no combine coming up in a few months. Show what you got at the combine where the chance of severe injury is much less. Players have their health and their talent, and they lay that out on the line for our entertainment. It sucks to watch a crappy game like this year's orange bowl, but FSU playing at full strength just to show the committee how wrong they got it doesn't give them a chance at winning it all; it only give sports show talking heads material to talk about, and that doesn't help the players. A bowl game has become a participation trophy with half the teams in the bowl subdivision going to one. Like you said, nobody is going to care who won the toilet bowl brought to you by toto in 2023. They are going to care about who won between Michigan and Washington. Bowls are a way for businesses to make millions and share some of that revenue with the various conferences. With a 12 team playoff, that should be the post season, though I would make it a 16 team playoff and nobody gets a bye game.
I don't disagree with your analysis but did they not play because of the reasons you put out or did they refuse to play because they gave into their emotions
@@genaroflores939 Dont forget that the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 10 all denied the 12 team playoffs this year. Also, Georgia players also had all of these reasons to also opt out, but they didnt because the Georgia players are not quitters, and Georgia actually has a good culture. FSU does not have a good culture, that is why they lost. All of these transfers they brought in, do not care that much about the team. Good culture is built by good high school recruiting.
You mean the Pac 2. Good on Georgia, but if one of the Georgia players who was looking to be a high draft choice got a career ending injury and missed out on the NFL, the Georgia culture wouldn't be of any help.@@UGAfan1227
@@genaroflores939 I don’t know. The only games I watched had Michigan, Alabama, Washington, and Texas in them despite being a Tennessee fan and Clemson alum and a fan of whoever plays Ohio state. Not in the playoffs, not going to watch. I hope the opted out for rational reasons but I bet you are right and there is a bit of F U playoff selection committee.
The 2016 fiesta bowl (the Jaylon smith game) was the beginning of the end for bowl mania, because top prospects had empirical evidence that the move is to bail. And progressively that mentality has shifted down the big boards. The mass of bowl games, the lazy corporate sponsors(the pop tart bowl is ok) the portal and even the playoff itself also didn’t help. Easy portaling is good for both parity and for athletes so I won’t call that the problem (but it does kill bowl rosters) Mid teams in corporate sponsor bowls are hard to care about. And more teams are title or bust in the playoff era.
Bama got into the CFP because the SEC is more profitable than the ACC. Simple as. FSU could have beaten the absolute piss out of everyone with their backups the entire season and Bama might still get in over them.
I agree Bama has been the benefactor of several bids to the CFP since its inception. To me it has ruined the CFP and bowl games alike. College football is pretty much a dying trend
the fact that it takes literally 2+ weeks to go through every single bowl game is ridiculous. They honestly need to get rid of some of them. Maybe at most around 15, keep the 'classic ones'. 43 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many. These should be protected: Rose, Citrus, Sugar, Fiesta, Peach, Orange, Motor City, Holiday, Music City, Hawaii, Armed Forces, Sun, Gator, Cotton, Independence, and Liberty (those have been around for DECADES). Every single other bowl (outside of rebrands) has only been added in recent years. Dump them. Reward your Conference Champs, maybe your 2nd and 3rd place teams at most. The CFP Playoff Quarters/Semis Should be held at Bowl Sites (Rose/Peach/Sugar/Orange/Fiesta/Citrus on a Rotating Schedule) and the Finals at Specific Indoor Stadium Locations/Warm Weather Locales (that way its not just down south locations that get these games, kinda noticed the trends, I have yet to see a Natl. Championship Game North of the I-70 corridor)
I dont think you realize someone was gonna get screwed regradless. Had Bama not made it, they would've been snubbed and if State didnt make it, they were gonna be snubbed. That's why the expansion of the playoffs is so important, especially this year.
None of this is on Florida State. I would've sat out too, why risk injury for nothing? They did everything right and were snubbed. A brutal but necessary killing blow to bowl games. With the CFP expansion, I think and hope we will see a transition to meaningful postseason play that people will remember.
I think it's their constant push for student-athletes getting paid to play their sports that did it. ESPN always wanted the top collegiate players to become pros before they even graduated and as a result, school loyalty is taking a nosedive across the board. Letters of intent by recruits coming out of high school are becoming meaningless because they can transfer out at any time to chase the school that can make them the most money.
I don’t think people realize that Florida State was a team of players who lacked experience in this game, they played the entire starting lineup for Georgia the back-to-back national champs who had a full season of experience against a team with only 8 players who had started at least one game. Another thing is when it comes to Florida State vs Alabama and Texas on who should get in to the playoffs, the games didn’t matter, but now that Florida State has lost to Georgia the game matters a lot more. The biasness Bama (and frankly the entire sec) receives makes the entirety of College Football basic, because you know that the same teams will be at the top every year. It doesn’t matter how you play on the field, it matters how much the committee likes you.
As a Dawgs fan I have to agree. Even though we're by FAR the best division in CFB, it's not as comp anymore when each year it's the same ones going to the playoffs. And I don't like y'all one bit, but y'all got HOED. ABSOLUTELY HOED.
Props to FSU but they indeed did not face our starting roster. We had 11 3rd and 4th stringers play by Halftime. If Amarius, Ladd and Rara would've played we woulda really put 100 on them
It helps the Bowl Games, that the Playoffs will be 12 teams now. Maybe a lot of players won't sit out or opt out of the bowl game when they are in the Top 12 now. HOWEVER, the Committee isn't going to do it correctly. This will just let the Loser of the Conference Championship Game in (or even worse, the best team that didn't get to play the Conf Champ Game). What a mess. DOWN WITH THE COMMITTEE!!
I was raised a fan of both UGA and FSU, and I gotta say you illustrated why this game sucked so much in a great way. The increasing lack of importance in bowl games is a serious issue, and I really do hate it since one of my favorite bowl game experiences was the 2016 Orange Bowl between FSU and Michigan. Great video, keep up the good work, and don't forget the "State" part of the Noles' school name hahaha.
One of the best bowl games I've ever seen was the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, when Boise State upset Oklahoma in overtime by pulling off a Statue of Liberty on a two-point conversion to win it.
@AdderTude That game is still so iconic! The 2017 UGA-OU Rose Bowl is probably my favorite game I've watched on TV, and FSU-UM was the best bowl game that I've been to.
The Pat White-Steve Slaton coming out party in West Virginia vs Georgia Sugar Bowl game is one I liked. WVU jumped out to early big lead then Georgia came roaring back almost to win. That WVU fake punt was a thing of beauty
My biggest problem with the FSU snub is that the injury to the first string quarterback may have kept them out. In the NFL, you keep your seed regardless of your injuries.
That's just it. The FBS is quite literally the only level of football where ranking and seeding is based on subjective speculation and opinion rather than achievement. FSU proved they deserved a spot in the playoffs and what did NC State's athletic director (Boo Corrigan, the CFP selection head) say to keep the 'Noles out? "Uhhh, their starting QB is injured so I feel like Alabama is more deserving."
Hey man, loved the longer style of video! This was very entertaining all the way through. I loved how you built the narrative and mainly showed clips while you were talking instead of just talking to the camera which would have been less engaging to me. Just a small bit of feedback, a nitpick really. There were quite a few times you referred to FSU as “Florida” and as a Gators fan it just felt very wrong and it would’ve felt more right if you’d shortened them “FSU” in those times instead. But really, loved the content, keep up the good work!
Yep, I noticed a few Florida and FSU fans say something about this. I appreciate the feedback and kind words and will be more mindful in the future. Can't believe I goofed that one up a few times 🤦♂
What it signifies is the secretive CFP got it completely wrong! Never before have they punished a #1 team for losing by 3 pts to ranking them outside of the Top 4! Georgia got disrespected, snubbed, and when their name popped up in the #6 slot, the CFP officially ruined the need for bowl games! Now, all games are meaningless! Also with 13 Alabama supporters on the CFP, this disclosed a rigged secretive system and process! Georgia was one of the Top 4 teams in the country and should’ve been included in the playoff! A Georgia vs anyone would have been a ratings and money bonanza! Instead, the CFP has a final between a Cheater and a team no one cares about in Washington. Ticket prices are dropping like a rock, and you can expect the lowest ratings ever for a CFP Final! The true champions, Georgia were completely screwed!!!
The problem is you have the top schools that compete for a national championship every year, and you have the 160 other schools that play hard all season and have nothing to show for it. Bowl games allow different schools to get nationwide exposure, they give teams that are never going to win their conference a chance to play for the next best thing - bowl eligibility. As a fan, I loved knowing my team was going to play in a bowl game. It was cool because it was usually against a school we didn't play very often. I can understand how FSU felt snubbed, but it was also an opportunity for the team to bond and go out on top - but they decided to throw in the towel. But if you watch some 6-6 teams play each other in a bowl game - the winning team is always super excited, even if it's the Flippy's Diner Bowl that no one knows about - it's not the CFP, but it's a bowl game and they won it for their school.
Good video, I feel like there was an oversight on *why* many of the players opted out on the side of FSU, because while for some you could say it was spite in some fashion, I think it says more that these were players that were declaring for the draft/entering the portal and didn't view the Orange Bowl as valuable enough to warrant them playing and possibly messing with their chances in said ventures. Because you did say towards the end that the main takeaway is that no one views the Bowl games as consequential, but I think that this game was more of a canary in a coal mine that showed just how little the bowl games can be worth if the teams don't commit to give it worth. Because in order for FSU to have fielded to full strength, the players would have to not only be motivated to have something to prove in the Orange Bowl (which a devil's advocate would respond: "Why should they, if their wins don't matter?"), but ALSO feel like reward of the game (superficial) is worth the risk of interfering with their future (prospect value) I saw somewhere that said that the playoffs and bowl games cannot realistically co-exist, because as long as the CFP exists, the bowl games have nothing to play for in comparison. Even when the playoff expands, the bowl games' worth diminishes.
I will say this whole situation was kind of a perfect disaster. Not only did the starting QB injure himself, but FSU STILL won out, and Georgia lost to Alabama, AND Texas had the head-to-head over Alabama. There were moments I felt like if FSU just lost to Lousiville, it would've actually been better. But instead it got so complicated and subjective. It doesn't help that FSU is now trying to leave the ACC. Just so much drama, and it feels like no one wants to even like FSU anymore. It's like an unwinnable situation. Not to mention this was the window for FSU's championship contention, and it'll probably be at least 2025 before they can drive for top 4 again. When FSU does worse next year, I can't help but feel like people will somehow be surprised & then rip into FSU just like with the Orange Bowl
Overall I've seen some people say this bowl game is bad for CFB or will kill Bowl games, but my stance is it didn't do anything itself and is just a signal of the current state of CFB already.
@@KaiDoesMineCraft10 How will they be worse? They have a starting QB ready to go with DJ Uiagalelei coming from Oregon State. And he was with Clemson before that.
@@AdderTude Well it's not just QB, they're losing a good bit of seniors, and a handful more declared for draft. My gut says they won't be bad (still ranked and all), but I don't think they'll be *as* good. I'm happy to be wrong though.
I really like the history and the general idea of Bowl games, but this year was the clearest proof yet that between CFP, NIL, conference realignment, transfer portal, NFL draft, and the general economic conditions around football for players, the old model is completely broken and probably unfixable.
This was also the first time the no. 1 team dropped out of the top 4 after a loss in a championship game. Alabama has lost the SECCG twice and still been able to play in the CFP.
I am an Oregon fan, and I remember having a conversation with my dad during our win over Liberty. I was saying that by all means we had a successful season and a bowl game win should feel important, but it didn't. Bowl games don't matter unless you're in the CFP.
1. Florida STATE friend, STATE. 2a. Its reality of 5 not being the same number as 4 finally catching up to the NCAA (its come close a few times) . 2b. I dont think its the death of bowl games, because that already happened. And theres a LOT of factors at play (transfer portal, players on their 7th and 8th year "covidshirt" years on their 4th different team) 3. We absolutely needed an 8 team playoff this year, because we had 8 standout teams (Washington, Oregon, Texas, Georgia, Alabama, FSU, OSU, Michigan) and the rest of the field was more than a little behind those 8. The BCS system killed the importance of most bowl games. And having 40 of the fuckers didnt help either. There are only so many people interested in watching 2 6-6 midmajor teams that got a bowl game solely because someone paid to put their name on a bowl game You said you were in ... some bowl I already forgot the name of, and from that information alone, I couldnt tell you what team that was (Western Kentucky?), what 2 conferences that game had ties to that year, or if either of the teams playing in it were ever on TV in this region. The NCAA has spent a while building up the concept of the Power 5 conferences (and then pretending the Pac10 mostly didnt exist because 75% of the AP voters brag about going to bed and not watching west coast games [some on nationally televised ESPN shows even!]), in an era where they take the best 4 teams to the playoffs. This was doomed from the start, especially as those conferences grow ever larger (No, the Big 10 doesnt need to run from Southern California to Jersey and have 20+ teams, this is stupid, stop it). Hilariously, this happened in the last year of the 4 team era (and as we head into the 12 team era, it reminds us that we should just go back to 10 team conferences and also take 16 teams, holy crap have we learned nothing), so the NCAA can just shrug it off. What id like to see, if College Football is going to keep rushing headlong off this path, is bowl games pick up some of the rivalry games. People worried about losing the Apple Cup? Bedlam? The other rivalry games people are worried about losing? (The red river rivalry will never not happen, I think UT and OU would sooner be a conference of 2 and play just that game during that weekend) Make them bowl games in years the involved teams arent playing for a title. The Holiday Bowl can be the Holiday Apple Bowl. You can have 'Bedlam at the Death Star on New Years Day/Eve/ish'. You can always have the winner of the same midmajor west coast conference play the winner of the samemidmajor east coast conference, and so on. You can do a lot of fun things with those games instead of being just another game you see on a sheet of games and go "I only know those teams exist because I saw them last year when I was picking bowl games". you can finally play the damn Toilet Bowl. Theres a lot of space to play with, the NCAA is just perpetually a decade behind.
4 team playoff was a joke when it was introduced, they needed at least 8. But no they gotta have their meaningless bowls to rob sponsors and boosters. Bcs is honestly incredibly lucky this is the first year there were so obviously more than 4 top teams with five (5) conferences
I’m smh here since you apparently have played CFB, but I must say, referring to FSU as “Florida”, more than once, really makes you sound like a casual.. Just sayin’…
You said Celebration Bowl and the first thing that I immediately realized was that you sir went to an HBCU. And I was did not expect that revelation on the first video I saw from you for obvious reasons.
UGA was not at full strength either: No Brock Bowers, Amarius Mims, Rara Thomas, Smael Mondon, Julian Humphrey, Jamon Dumas-Johnson, Xavian Sorey, and over a dozen other guys. Both teams were without the SAME number of players. All this game did was prove that the committee was right to leave FSU out.
I’m loving the long form vids, Isaac! As a Georgia Tech fan, making it to a bowl game for the first time in 7 years does invoke a special feeling. However, it still ultimately only serves to push bragging rights and doesn’t really mean anything. Alas…
But it does in this case because it shows GT and its fans that positive progress is being made. No it doesn't mean anything nationally, but it does give GT something to build upon. Very important in that regard.
This bowl game, I think, showed the huge difference in how these two programs operate. FSU felt like they had something special, in a program that doesn't have the recruiting classes and the luck to put it all together every year. So of course, when they are looking at a bowl game that doesn't get them closer to a championship, it makes sense to see the opt-outs and transfers. Plenty of other teams had notable opt-outs, though perhaps fewer than FSU, but all anyone has talked about is how this team's lack of starting talent in a bowl game was an indictment of the program. Georgia, on the other hand, is a machine. They compete for championships every year. They recruit 4 & 5 star recruits as a matter of course. They don't get opt-outs because they know they're highly replaceable. Kirby can say it's about culture, but some of that culture is that every starter has an ESPN 300 recruit breathing down their neck and a coach who likes getting paid.
FSU got screwed. I'm a huge FSU fan and it pissed me off they were left out. I don't blame them for their players not playing in the game. They had nothing to play for. And with so many players all over opting out to prep for the NFL or transfer portal, why play in a game that means nothing for a bowl committee that showed you no respect. I feel bad for the Seminole fans who paid for tickets and had to watch that game in person, but at least the game was in Florida and they didn't have far to travel. FSU wasn't the only team to lose because of opt outs either. Beyond that, bowl games used to have cool names, even if they were sponsored by someone, now there isn't even that, you just get a slew of corporate bowls. There were so many bowl games that there weren't enough teams with winning records to fill them. This season is probably going to be looked at as the death knell for many of the bowls in my opinion. Within a decade you'll be down to the playoffs and a few others and that's it. It is going to be a shame because I'll miss having all the games to watch, but honestly this year I watched fewer bowl games than I have in any year in the past. FSU got screwed and I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if they had just refused the Orange Bowl bid and maybe it would have been better if they had. Next time this comes up, where you see a team who rightfully should have been in the playoffs but got left out so the SEC could have an extra seat at the table (let's be honest we know this is always about them getting a bigger piece of the pie), the school might do just that, refuse the game and stay home.
No they had something to play for.They could have proved they were worthy of being in the playoffs by beating georgia by a good amount.I get that Fsu was mad but the players instead of doing that just cried and quit. I respect the players who stayed to play georgia, though.
In fsu defense they lost their quarterback in a meaningless game. The only reason Jordan Travis played in that game was because it was senior day. And like you said the bowl games are useless. They lost their best player in a useless game. Why lose more?
I am an FSU fan and while not making the playoffs hurt i thought the whole point of them and the voting was that the best teams were selected and not the most deserving statistically. At the same time, as a player you went the whole season getting more and more sure that you were going to play in the playoffs and that being a driving force for the team and organization only to have that ripped away at the last possible moment. I dont blame them for not having their hearts in the bowl game. I also would not be surprised if Coach Norvell encouraged his players to value their futures as players over a game that is for little more than bragging rights. All that I've heard about him is that he cares about his players on a personal level and that is a big part of why we have had such a massive turnaround in the time since he took over.
Literally every other level of football, including FCS, ranks and seeds by record before anything else. Achievement before speculation. The FBS is the only place where ranking is by subjective speculation rather than actual record.
I'm not gonna try to argue about if the current system is good or fulfills it's purpose but the big reason they said was to have the best teams compete, not the most deserving or proven. The human element there was part of it. And the part about players leaving is ridiculous to me; if I have the opportunity to get my family set up somewhere nice and there is a very real opportunity for that chance to vanish in an instant because I'm playing in a game where the only benefit is for boosters I'm not playing in that game.
The one thing this video doesn't address is the shift from Power 5 to Power 2 (SEC and Big 10) which already began before the bowls with the demise of the Pac 12 and will continue to the point where even some teams in the Big Two will get kicked to the curb and in 5 years (if humanity is even existing by then) college football will consist of 30 teams who all just play each other every season with every other team currently in D1 being relegated down if not dropping football altogether. In other words, the NFL with players pretending to be college students.
👆he's right. ACC implosion is coming and unfortunately its all over $$. I hate to see these regional conferences collapse. There was a time when playing in a geographic area meant bragging rights. Kids going to play ball at the university level typically followed these teams in HS - they wanted to play for their school because it meant something to them. More and more players are portal hoppers who don't care about any of that. The players are positioning themselves for a pay check. Likewise, the TV contracts are forcing new alignments based on viewership, which unfortunately is dissolving some historic rivalries. This specific bowl game represents two conferences going in opposite directions and I think the actions of FSU opt-outs is like a canary in the coal mine.
The problem was, FSU only had 1 decent quality win on their resume, and it was the first game of the season where it matters much less, against a team that didn't even finish in the top 10. Their schedule was garbage. Michigan and Washington both had multiple top 10 wins (For Washington, one was mid season, and one was their last game; For Michigan, it was 2 of their last 4 games). The injury was the final nail in the coffin. They HAD to continue to be dominant to impress the committee and they couldn't without their QB.
1n 1968 there were 11 Bowl Games, total - and one of them would be a legitimate National Championship game. Of course Notre Dame would never lower themselves to play in one but for the rest of college football getting into any of those bowls was a big deal. Now it's just a money making exercise but they still fill out the stadiums for the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl or the Gasparilla Bowl so they aren't going away.
FSU basically said what most aren't willing to admit. The Orange Bowl was a waste of time and they didn't want to be there. So if the committee wastes their time they will waste everyone else's.
yeah, the Orange Bowl was a joke. Our team was decimated, and it's because the CFP committee basically said to them we don't care if you work hard and go undefeated, your QB1 went down, still won with QB2, he got concussed, still won with QB3, you're in the ACC so the other teams strength of schedule is higher so they get to go. I don't blame the players for leaving when that's the message being sent. If they were in the playoffs, all those dudes would be playing, and it would be a totally different story.
Cool. However this was FSU’s chance to prove everyone wrong. Instead they just made a fool of themselves. Georgia went in with the goal to show that they deserved a top 4 spot. They proved that.
I mean, there will always be teams that miss out. Had Georgia beaten Alabama, Georgia gets in as undisputed #1. Alabama beats Georgia and neither gets in? That's bullshit. So Alabama gets in. But now Alabama has a loss to Texas, so Texas gets in. FSU went undefeated but against whom? Louisville? Huzzah. Any decision would be stupid to some degree but not including FSU is not some unjust robbery. The only solution is to include more teams in the playoffs. Having only 4 spots and 5 "Power" conferences will inevitably lead to controversial decisions.
FSU problem is the same mentality of our country. "QUIT" It know it may sound bad, but it is. Mike Norvell has to change the locker room mentality. You can't quit on your team just because you felt snubbed on a playoff spot. We were in this same spot 4 seasons again when our guys quit before the sugar bowl with Texas. It sucks, but it will get better. This game will probably produce much needed change to opt-outs and transfer portal kids. I don't care who quits on the team. Get them out of there and make room for more disciplined kids. This is the best move for any team that has players quit. Fuck em... Hell look at it this way, were they really there mentality for FSU Football or just waiting to get to the NFL.
Georgia proved they shouldn’t have been left out. They were mad, and took their anger out on their next victim. FSU thought they deserved to be in the playoffs, and instead of playing for pride, playing to show the committee was wrong, they just… quit. Which was very sad to see. Georgia is by far the superior team and they should’ve been in. FSU was great, but they showed missing players make a huge difference. BEST four teams should be in. Not the “most deserving”. Michigan Washington Alabama Georgia Would’ve been great top 4.
Absolutely should not be the best 4 teams and not the 4 most deserving. The 4 best are PURE opinion. Most deserving is decided on the field, as it was this year but CFP committee ignored what happened on the field. Both teams they selected to be in the playoffs instead of what happened on the field, lost. Obviously their choices were wrong.
If we’re going to give it to most “deserving” then we should’ve put Liberty in. Undefeated, conference champion. But ohhh wait… they’re not even better than Missouri. And Georgia proved, FSU wasn’t better than them. We didn’t need another TCU-like performance.
@@shunsha8606 It is impossible to know the 4 best teams. It is impossible to know the best team. If it were possible then what is the point of playing the games. Just crown the "best" team the champions. Thus, you pick who gets in the playoffs by what happened on the field. NOTHING ELSE.
Build your Culture. Georgia has built their culture up within the last 7 years, and they as a program showed up for a game like all players should or stay home.
With all due respect to the players, I just cannot get interested in College football. You go out there, play 12 games, put up 50+ points in 9 or more of them, play one or two good opponents finish undefeated or as a one loss team and play in the Who Gives a Shit Bowl and do it all over again next year. Even when a school like Boise State rose up and was a threat in 2007-2011 or so, they did the exact same thing. They shit on almost everyone, including their bowl opponents, but lost one game to Nevada or Hawaii and the seasons were over. It is so damned pointless. I prefer the NFL with the playoffs and the draft. Feels like seasons matter, even bad seasons for rebuilding.
One thing that's often looked over is that Winning is really really hard, it's hard to go undefeated and the more wins you have the harder teams play you. There's layers to it
In the case of Boise or other "Non-Power" the incentive is still there to make a "NY6" bowl atleast for the exposure for the players/school and potential revenue for the athletic departments. To your point, as someone who enjoys the Non-Power/FCS contests they should move to a seperate playoff model for Non-Power schools. The system is too closed for almost every school unless there are the rare undefeated runs once a few years. Would love a system where, If not all Conference Champs are involved in the playoff, then just split the Powers/Non-Powers, what's the point in offering a token last seed for one team. If they want to keep the proposed model and only let in one Conference champ from a non-power why not have a top 12-16 non-power tournament as a football NIT equivalent. Host all games on campuses and have the championship at a neutral site. Unfortunately, I'm not sure this would actually generate more fan interest or revenue than the bowls do or even deter coaches from jumping to bigger open power school positions but atleast for the players, most who would not have a shot to play the next level, get a chance to playout their seasons.
And now the concept of NIL, which was supposed to be compensation to the players for their name, image and likeness being displayed (that's what NIL stands for) has been twisted and mutated into "the fans pay the players' salaries and they get to quit bowl games anyway" while the NCAA still gets all the money it wasn't giving the players before.
@@DolFan316 - I do not pretend to even slightly understand what is really going on with NIL, but it is way better than what it was like before. I forget which player said it wasn't right that fans had his jersey on, the stadium and tickets had his face on them, and he had to budget lunch. Even Mr Punts, with his ring, has shown that Bowl games don't mean Sugar Honey Iced Tea. I fully support players skipping useless bowls.
I think whatever value was actually in bowl games ended when the old BCS system started. That was what ruined everything for me. As a Penn State fan, I never cared who won the National Championship, I cared about first, winning the Big Ten, and then winning the Rose Bowl. That was the standard, you perform well enough, you get to go to the big traditional bowl game that really was an accomplishment back then and you played that other conference's winner. Before then, it might have been inconclusive, the national champion being picked by committees or whatnot, but at least, it was out of your control, so if it happened, cool, if not, eh, can't do anything about it. And the BCS, was like, the perfect lose-lose compromise solution. It simultaneously ruined the traditions of the biggest of the bowl games at least, the ones that had stable traditions and histories that matter that you can point to that trumped any of the commercialism bs about them, and then it also just, was a lousy way of picking a champion. Sure, sometimes they got lucky and their were two undefeated teams, but sometimes there were four or five, sometimes there was only one and like seven teams with only one loss, and then you add on top of it the biasness of the power conferences, which I always thought was half bullshit as well, 'cause you never know if you don't play the games.... (You're so good SEC champ, then beat the Sun Belt champ in a playoff, but no, they won't do it. You're afraid!) That's when the bowl games really died out, and while this system is still better and will get better, it's still so wishy-washy that you end up with a 5-6 game that really should be more competitive but just isn't, because there's no value to the game. Every bowl game is just completely arbitrary at this point who goes and who doesn't. I don't even know who went to the Rose Bowl this year, who was it, Ohio St. and IDK, USC? I'm not looking it up either, 'cause it doesn't matter anymore. The real annoying part is how easy this fix would be. Just do it like, the NCAA tournament in all the other sports, (Or all the other levels of college football) and have a real playoff system. If you're in FCS conference, the winner gets an automatic bid, no matter what, so, let's say a 16-team bracket, that's 10 conference winners, [screw the independents, 'cause fuck them join a conference already!) and then six wild cards. Somebody still bitches about getting left out, well, at best you were still like, maybe the 8th best team in the country, and more like the 12th or 13th, and I wouldn't feel too bad about it. Either that, or go back and get rid of the national championship BS altogether, leave it back into control of the sportswriters or whoever it is that votes, and then start these Bowl traditions anew. Of course, that isn't gonna happen now, there's too much money involved in an actual playoff, even a terrible one, plus it's harder than ever to argue that these are unpaid amateur student-athlete when there's more compensation for players than ever.... So, that isn't gonna happen, so the closer we get to an actual legitimate playoff system that reasonably takes into account the entire Div. I landscape and tries to reasonable allow the best teams an opportunity to win, the better. And anything that helps dies out the bowl games at this point, I'm in favor of.
When I was a kid in the 60's, they only had 8 bowl games, so getting to a bowl was a major accomplishment. All of the bowls were fun to watch. There were four in December- the Liberty, Gator, Bluebonnet, and Sun Bowls, leading up to New Year's day big four- the Cotton, Sugar, Rose and Orange bowls. They were a lot better games, because it was the best of the best playing. Today, a team who gets to .500 is automatically in a bowl. Even some 5-7 teams get in. There are 43 bowls plus the national title game. Add to that the transfer portal that opens up in the middle of bowl season, NIL money that encourages player to shop for the school where they can get the most money, and people who are going pro opting out of the bowl to work on their NFL preps, and you have a situation that has ruined college football in many ways.
This sort of thing will continue to be an issue until one of two things happens. 1) Playoffs are expanded to the top 25 teams. or 2) Playoffs are expanded to the top 25 teams.
What makes the bowl games insignificant is that there is nothing really on the line. But what would happen if at least 11 of those bowl games were playoff games?
I'm so glad that you talked about the nuances of this. I was letting out a groan when you said that FSU lost the chance to say they were snubbed because I was sick of people looking at an obvious protest and pretending there wasn't a reason. But you actually made a point to talk about how pointless it was for the FSU players who not only had little to win regarding their pride, but also so much to lose both in pride and in career prospects. Overall my annoyance at the whole situation is summed up perfectly by your starting and ending point: fans only take away from a bowl game precisely the narrative they want to take from it, every time. When people can even try to argue about FSU being snubbed I have to ask what they think the point of playing any football games actually is.
I think we're all frustrated with almost every aspect of this game, It's also much more nuanced than most talking heads will ever speak on during TV shows, hence why I wanted to make this, but I'm glad you enjoyed it!
FSU opponents had a losing record. Their strength of schedule was 55th, even worse than GAs easy peezy 2023 schedule. The committee got it right. But I agree. Bowl games have been a joke since before the CFP. The point was that bowl games are pointless. Just please do not come at me with this FSU got subbed story. We learned our lesson letting TCU play GA last year
@@wileynowling Nobody "let" TCU play Georgia. All you homers seem to conveniently forget that TCU beat Michigan, a Michigan team that by-and-large is the same team that just won the 2023 National Championship, in the first round of the playoffs to get to the National Championship game against Georgia. It was a bad matchup for TCU and they lost, but they earned the right to be in the game just like FSU earned the right to be in the playoffs. That is a tired and flawed narrative used by uneducated individuals. Pathetic.
I'm a Colorado fan and alum of 2017. Seeing my school in a bowl game would be absolutely fantastic for me because I absolutely love my Buffs. It's always fun for the guys on the squad and the fans.
Bowl games haven't mattered since the BCS era. Now days they are just consolation prizes for teams that win 6+ games. They only mattered when it was the AP poll era where all the teams played their respective bowl games at the end of the season, w/l records, strength of schedule, how much the team won by in the bowl game and what bowl game accounted for who won the NC that year. It was always a team in the prestigious bowls. The rose bowl, sugar bowl, orange bowl, cotton bowl, (maybe the peach bowl I'm not entirely sure about that one) then each team would wait after they were played to hear who was that years national champions. To be honest, I like the BCS and AP poll eras better. The BCS decided the two best teams based on the data put into a computer, which I think is the most fair because there wouldn't be any biases. But I think the playoff system makes the season drag on too long, especially since they're about to expand the bracket.
@@billblaski9523 yeah, I was talking about AP era bowls. I don't think the fiesta bowl existed back then. I've kept up with Alabama football since 92 and read books about the history and I didn't hear about the fiesta bowl till the 2000's
@SneedBass oh wow, I never knew that, I was born 86 and really started watching and paying attention to sports around 99, 2000. I grew up with the awesome BCS system lol. But seriously, I now have a fondness for the ols BCS bowls era, even if you didn't play for the national championship, the remaining BCS bowls still seemed like a big deal. And seeing the smaller schools like Boise State always being the "BCS Buster" lol, being from a non-AQ conference or Group of 5 as it's knows today. Dawg did you know when Miami and Virginia Tech left the Big East for the ACC, everyone thought the ACC was gonna be the best conference!
@@billblaski9523 The ACC will never be a consistent power house. Every once in a while they'll have some good teams. Like Clemson of a few years ago and FSU this year. But they'll have 1 or 2 years at most on top. The ACC have a fair share of cupcakes in the conference which make the wins look unimpressive. Duke, Georgia tech (which I think is one of the only teams that run the triple option out of the wishbone, last time I checked) , Syracuse, Wake Forest are not great. The SEC has a few bad teams but they're tough opponents, and it's about to get tougher with Texas and Oklahoma moving to the conference. I do miss the days of the BCS, it was the most impartial way of matching the 2 best teams in the nation, I don't care too much for the CFP. And it's also weird to have the bowl games sponsored by a company. I miss the 2009-2015 alabama teams, where they'd run the ball straight up the middle the whole game and by the 4th quarter the opposing defense were too worn out to do anything and bamas defense would just dominate. The score might look like 17-0 which doesn't look that dominant but if you watched the game you could clearly see how one sided it was.
@SneedBass dawg Miami and Virginia Tech were powerhouses when they left Big East to join ACC. And Florida State was still a powerhouse too. Clemson sucked back then, no one cared about Clemson
The bowl games will continue as long as the fans watch the games, either in person or on TV. That's it, period. The question is this: with opt-outs and transfer portal losses for teams with nothing tangible to play for, how many fans will still watch? Tough question to answer.
@@kseismoloj That would be no where near the amount of money top rated players would make off their NFL careers, shit for some not even worth more than their rookie deal.
This all came crumbling down in 2015 when Notre Dame got knocked out of the playoffs during the last game of the season against Stanford which put them in the Fiesta Bowl vs Ohio St where Jaylon Smith blew his knee out and ruined his 1st round spot in the draft
I don’t really mind what Florida did. If you go 13-0 and it’s not enough, what’s the point? Phoning in a meaningless game that’s no win situation for them is really hard to criticize.
The situation they were put in is why traditional conferences should be abolished and an EPL system should be initiated for college football. 13 teams per tier, everybody plays each other once. Top 4 go to playoffs, bottom 4 have reverse playoffs to avoid relegation. 2 teams relegated/promoted per year. TV deals are the tier's rather than conference deals or individual school deals. No committee, no ap rankings, just raw performance to determine placement like every other respectable sport. To add further, college football right now is like boxing. As long as the process is based upon judgement rather than a defined rule, it will be a sham of a sport.
Just cause you didn’t lose doesn’t mean you deserve the spot. Liberty. Went 13-0 also you think they deserve a chance at a chip get real. The ACC schedule strength is mid at best. When you play more than 2 SEC teams I’ll start actually caring about your record 😂
@@MrQwerty8008 Good SEC teams generally do not want to play a tough non-conference game unless they're being paid heavily to do so. Since 2018, the only non-SEC ranked team that Bama has played in the regular season was Texas (whom is already basically an SEC team anyways) this year. The last time they did so in a road game was in 2011 against Penn State. How can ACC teams schedule SEC teams if the good ones don't want to play them? I'm not saying that FSU was one of the best 4 teams. I am saying that having humans decide who the best 4 teams are instead of just wins and losses is pathetic and amateurish. The only way to eliminate conference and ranking bias is to eliminate conferences and rankings altogether and utilize a more professional system of order.
