As a former developer, I'd rather be working with tools tbh. That and single purpose computer boards or playing around with embedded computers like Arduinos. If I had to do it all over again, I'd go to trade school.
brother, i gotta say i appreciate your effort to stay transparent and fair. it means a lot especially in this day and age, i'm sure many viewers feel the same. integrity seems so rare on youtube
The few channels I watch regularly are the channels that show honesty and integrity. In this day and age of AI, it's become the thing I value over just about everything else.
@ Speaking of prototypes, I somewhat recently worked in a prototype shop. Because of cost, it would be unlikely to make something too good and let it out of our hands. It is possible they could eliminate power regulation, include a better battery, or stronger or heavier clutch. Often prototypes have shortcomings until close to production when they are just do ongoing testing. Anyway, sometime around 2007 Nucor had a DeWalt tool contract where, for a flat fee of about $25,000/yr, they would come weekly and replace worn/broken tools (screw guns, drills, and circular saws). We were using the older corded drywall-style impact screw guns, with a metal impact chuck, to drive about 1,000,000 lag screws per month 24hrs a day 5-6 days a week, and we were very hard on the tools. DeWalt came in and asked us to try a new prototype impact screw gun like all the cordless 1/4in impacts we are familiar with today. They were certain it would outperform the older screw guns but it only lasted 30 minutes. Surprised, and disappointed, the rep left and didn't bring one back. I wondered what they did afterwards. Shortly after I saw the new style impacts come out to replace the clutched drills. We are all happy to use them over the drills but I never compared the two. I believe that older screw gun would still outperform the new impacts, however, I have also not worn out a 1/4in impact even though today I started feeling like it may be wearing.
For people curious, the Gen 1 M12 does ABOUT the same on average between an XC6 and 5HO for us: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-blz17nr-AeM.html
the honesty of cancelling your order to avoid an over-built version straight from Milwaukee is well done. 1st waves to big channels are usually really beefed up and the ones on the shelf can be nice but not always whats on paper advertised.
@@TOOL_TECHNICAL absolutely, I'm glad he tested all the different batteries. I knew 400+ ft/lbs was asking a lot out of those tiny batteries but I didn't think there would be that much difference
And please explain how they are beefed up? are you saying milwaukee is modifying the internals and sending those modified non stock tools to tool reviewers? SUUUURE BUDDY suuuuure lmao
That was a rollercoaster. When I started watching I was thinking "oh no, I'm gonna have to replace my M12 stubby if there's a new model with double the beans", but by the end of the video I'm very happy with what I have. Thank you for the good work you do!
yeah it's really enticing but the mode selector thing along with the higher battery drain is a deal breaker for me. I'll just keep using my gen 1 as a daily driver and if I absolutely NEED beans in a tight space I can pull out an air tool.
My land's sake ... this channel is addictive !!! You don't have to be a techy, or a nerd, or a tool junkie. Just looking across a massive international industrial production base of tools, and checking their quality, price, construction, inherent qualities, inherent defects, ... makes this all the more like a Mixed Martial Arts channel of tools battling against tools !
LoL at Milwaukee trying to back channel you a test unit 😂 It looks like a pretty good tool. I’ll have to pick one up and see how I like it compared to my old DeWalt.
Agree. I do that all the time without thinking. Plus, It's all over online, showing what people do when They get handed an impact. If it was 3 clicks or more, I'd be ok with it.
They absolutely met their claims. But they didn't get there with magic and pixie dust. There was some serious engineering and some compromise to get there. Weather or not it's worth it is up to the individual purchasing it. One of the coolest and most complete tests I've ever seen.
@@LightSaber12345 To be fair, the only reason this video doesn't include bolt removal is because the tool wouldn't do any removing at 14:43. Doesn't prove anything either way though, bolt removal is dependent on how its set up. Bolt size, thread pitch, condition, socket size. Can't calibrate for any of those things before testing each time when nut busting, which is how brands like to keep it.
We've thought about it before, but there's channel rules for a reason . If we knowingly accept a tool from a brand sent specifically for our channel once, it's no longer a rule. Based on how this tool performs I doubt they would even need a golden sample for it to amaze, but no doubt most are probably also using that 5Ah as well when noticing that performance.
@@TorqueTestChannel I suppose if you were to test free stuff you should probably just preface the video by saying 'these are samples' and put them on their own separate ranking, or even do a direct comparison between one they send you and one you buy yourself.
If they are doing some sleuthing to find that out, there is a good chance that there was a golden sample or three involved, but we won't find out now. Maybe the next time that happens, the video could be one of those "jokes on you, we're onto your shenanigans" videos....then you could send that golden sample off to One of your viewers. I know you got rules, but breaking the rule were specific case because of a specific video might be an interesting video in and of itself. The idea would need some fleshing out, but it could make for an awesome video!! Thank you for another awesome video!!!!
Yea but gotta give their advertising dept a pat on the back for trying as hard as they did.. makes you wonder how the tools they wanted ttc to buy really chooched…
It's HIGHLY scummy and totally unexcusable! Such a clear and blatant attempt to influence the results of the testing definitely sours me some on the brand. The dumb thing is that this tool performed well, yet they still tried to influence the results. Makes you wonder how much they have tried on their less well performing tools.
This happened as a result of our community post showing the shipping dates being delayed, the most likely reason is they were attempting to get our order filled a few weeks before everyone who pre-ordered like we did.
As long as you would’ve been 100% honest and transparent like you always have, it would’ve been pretty sweet to see what they were trying to sneak you.
I got mine yesterday. It's a powerful little sucker, but I've already found myself accidentally changing the power level by bumping the direction switch into neutral without noticing
What kind of man doesn't occasionally blip the throttle 2 times to make sure the tool is operating to spec :D Does Milwaukee not know the man code??? The tools easier to get into neutral than all their others as well.
Ive avoided every single other video about the new stubby until this one came out. This blew away even my wildest expectations and since i already run a 5ah on my gen 1 it seems like a no brainer
@@TorqueTestChannelAlternatively, they might also specify that you compare the latest & greatest against a older/weaker model that definitely WASN’T their previous best. Like the Ryobi Edge being compared to the most basic 4Ah they sell, instead of the HP 4Ah
I was sold until you uncovered that it won't make the beans with the stubby batteries.... Glad you brought this to surface and that I was not deceived in thinking it could do the max torque also with a stubby.
Those 5 amp HO batteries are $70 on Amazon. They’re OEM. I’ve bought 3 of them and opened them up to make sure they have the new Samsung cells and they do.
Next time that happens with the manufacturer samples, you should accept the sample tool and then test it versus one you bought from a physical retailer to see if any oems are playing games
I love that your channel and others are keeping the manufacturers honest. Hopefully we’re done seeing brands build their name and then race to the bottom as they try to coast on their previous accomplishments like we used to see in the 80s and 90s with brands like craftsman, skill, and black and decker. You sir are a champion
As someone who likes to use the 2.5 battery on the 1st generation, a near 100 ft Ibs gain for practically the same footprint is impressive. It also makes more than the DeWalt which is obviously bigger while also being restricted on power. If Milwaukee makes a forge M12 batteries which I pray they do, I fear what this little stubby could do to the point where I honestly think it would break.
Amazing, but that battery drain is a bit of a deal breaker for me. Even though my service box truck has power for lights and charges, the thought of having to go plug in a battery every 30 minutes seems a bit irritating.
M12 batteries are pretty cheap. Most of us with a few M12 tools have plenty of batteries. I have 6 M12 tools and 10 M12 batteries. Almost all of them came free with the tool
@NonieTools I'm right there with you, but point is why... when the mid torque can do more with a longer run time. When you push mechanical things to their limits... you get to find the limits. Time will tell I guess...
I feel like you’ve been the only honest one about this impact. The battery information is something to highly consider. It makes me think the dcf921 Is still worth hanging on to since battery life isn’t a big issue a 4ah last me about a week.
Appreciate your transparency. That’s what makes this a great channel! Really impressive numbers from this tool. Was a little disappointed in the speed interface change, but after your disassembly I understand why they had to do it. Great info as always. Thanks for sharing!
@@iCutWaffles well yeah that’s the point of all compact impacts, and yeah that is true if your removing only one bolt. Not so much when you’re removing multiple. You know like we need to do when working on a vehicle. 15 seconds and dropping one bar is crazy consumption. Once again I don’t need an impact that will take off 5-20 bolts before needing recharged or a new battery. My dewalt and first gen Milwaukee like depicted in this video, I can get hours of use out of, not minutes. Important you know when you’re working 8-10 hour days. I’d rather use a hand ratchet or a breaker bar than spending money on a product that won’t last me through one vehicle before needing a recharge.
I would like to see TTC accept 'donations' - only to benchmark them against a genuinely off-the-shelf unit to see if review models are being tweaked. Could be a great series!
Man I had just picked up a 923 before the gen 2 was announced and I was holding my breath the entire episode. Crazy performance under ideal conditions thats for sure. Although the battety compatibility and drain coupled with the mode selector make me feel a little better.
Not all that experienced as a mechanic, I'm a plumber but my stubby dewalt DCF921 broke CAT c32 motor head bolts free with a 9amp 60 volt flex battery. It got through 5 bolts before killing the battery, but it did get them out. Just for clarity this was off of a old excavator that was abandoned in the woods.
I feel like this is the reason this channel was the one of few who didn’t get to test it before it came out. They knew it was gonna be bad. I still got it from Home Depot and excited to try it
Something I would be very interested to see is a video comparing entire tool ecosystems. Buying into a battery ecosystem is expensive no matter what brand you pick and avoiding buyers remorse is something I always strive for.
Honestly it's crazy that companies are paying enough attention to you to try to expedite your orders like that. It shows that they're definitely noticing you and I'm sure they're noticing the impact y'all have too with your testing! Keep up the great work!
I’m so happy you did a review on this, I have no need to replace my older m12 1/2” but want to. As far as the new mode select and its usefulness, I’m here to say in my use case it’s perfect, and here’s why. I use this impact for bolting up low pressure pipe and hoses, think 2”-6” 150 flange, and a lot of times I’m holding one hose near the flange while another person holds the next up, if you send it even on 2 you’ll birdmouth the flange and have to loosen it, so it’s best to put it on the fourth mode that stops at low torque. I really like the ability to not lift a 50lb piece of hose onto my should so I can use two hands to change modes. I really hope this comes to the 3/4 m18 impacts, the bottom mode switch gets hit all the time with gloves and even though it’s only a few seconds to stop, it stops eight people rigging up between operator, spotters, techs, etc and gets everyone pissed.
Terrific video showing the different batteries! I was looking up my recent Home Depot order and had an ad for the Ryobi FVRC51K. It's a 3/8 ratchet for 79. It's rated for a knuckle busting 10 ft/lbs @ 220 rpm. It would be cool to add that to the showdown list.
I got mine last week and tested the tightening torque with a 5aH batt. Mode 1 is 15-30ft-lbs depending on how long you hold it. Good for all M8 bolts, would break M6 if you didnt do a quick zap. Mode 2 is instantly 75ft-lbs so it can zap on lug nuts but it will overshoot hard if you’re not fast on the trigger. Bolt mode seems to be 15ft-lbs.
@@LightSaber12345 lug nut on my car with a snap on torque wrench to tell me when the nut moved. So yeah it’s not scientific because the weight of a 19mm socket vs smaller ones, and static thread friction. But it’s just a ballpark for running fasteners down and knowing it’s not going to snap instantly. So I obviously couldn’t test mode 3 cause that would snap the stud.
If the new M18 models will perform even better Dewalt and the other brands will have some catching up to do. Competition is always good for the consumer.
That double tap to change speed feature is gonna be brutal for people who like to feather the trigger when they pick it up, especially considering the m12 requires you to press the trigger to check battery
Personally, I really like the new mode select. Biggest thing i like it for when im under a car, holding the tool, and holding something in my other hand. Ive had it on the low setting, and clicked it to high without needing to do some weird contortionist shit with my hand to select a higher mode. Just bump it to locked, and double tap a couple times with a pause between them.
Makes sense business-wise that Milwaukee would want to get you guys the Stubby2.0 sooner rather than later. Doubt the stubby they sent would have operated better.... There would have been one way to find out... Thanks for staying above reproach Ttc, we appreciate all you do.
Wow this seems like such a huge upgrade. I was very tempted until I saw that new mode switch thing and I kinda wanna see how durable it actually is over time before I decide now. I have a gut feeling from seeing the inside of it that this might have issues with burning out, overheating or excessive wear.
I have the 2.5 HO, and I am completely OK with the performance from that and have no current plans to go and get that 5. I got this tool specifically for size, and driving 3/8 sockets. I only just bought in to m12 a few weeks ago because I needed a new Dremel (switch on my super old one is giving out) and I wanted a cordless one, so I got the kit with the free project light. And I got this to spin 3/8 sockets. It performed really well with that 2.5 IMHO. If I need more power I'll just go and grab a bigger impact, pretty impressed by this little thing.
My bad if I missed it in this video or another, but have we tried the gen 1 with the 5.0? The 5.0 HO almost seems like the biggest story in M12 tools lately.
Yeah, TTC replied with the link to it on one of the top comments here. The 5.0 HO and 6.0 actually end up making about the same numbers because the motor is the limiting factor on that tool
I have a ton of the m12 tools in my kit and I love them, but they drain so much faster than my m18 batteries so for when I need to bust out more than an impact driver I reach for my m18's, still cool to see them expanding the power and usability of the m12 tools so much
I returned mine. I had bought the bare tool and was running standard 2.0 Ah batteries and wasn’t getting the torque I required; I thought I had bought a dud. Plus the double tap trigger thing was simply the most annoying feature I’ve experienced in a while. Clearly they did zero actual user testing when they came up with that “feature”.
not buying into this new m12 hype, i’ll stick to my 18v makita compact and current m12 stubby milwaukee once again creating questionable features. this m12 trigger mode adjustment and the m12 installation tool mode adjustment.
I preordered one, got it last week.. It's really not that bad, I like the old way better but this doesn't ruin the tool... Took off 100ftlb lug nuts easy pz and it weighs as much as my hex driver.
@@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx its not that bad. you have to put it in neutral to change it first. I own one, its not super easy to put it in neutral.. try it first.
Did y’all try it with a 4 , in the past that 4 has been a top pick for power over the 6 . I also would like to know about the longevity of the tool. The way they built it and the heat don’t think I will be rushing out for one my old stubby still going fine . Give it a few years see how it holds up.
At home Depot right now You can get a kit with 2 ho 5.0 and charger for $199 and get free tool, return free tool and You've got the 2 batteries and charger for $110
my buddy is a Milwaukee fanboy , every battery tool he owns is Milwaukee including all his automotive tools and he has the Gen 1 M12 stubby 3/8" drive and is very happy with it and will run almost a full shift on a single charge 2amp/hr battery and never over heats like the bigger stuff does and this little one will actually loosen wheel bolts on his truck, just done for fun, the new one is good, just too much money when you need to get the particular battery to get the advertised power from it, so I'll keep the OG it is working just fine 👍
I'm happier with my 20v DCF921 + DCF961 combo, and I can use all the same batteries for my garden and carpentry tools. If I were a mechanic starting out, I would probably go with M12 G2 stubby and the M12 ratchets though.
I had a quick look at RC batteries and it seems, that inside small M12 case one could fit 1300mah 100C LiPo packet. That is rated for 130A constant discharge and up to 260A peak... MAKE ONE :D (of course, when you discarge with 100C current you are looking at 30s full to empty...)
Mad respect for canceling the order and getting another one that Milwaukee hadn't potentially meddled with! Definitely gonna be getting one of these at some point, unless Dewalt maybe has an even crazier tool to respond with 🤔 We're getting to the point that we need advertised torque limits for each mode of the tool. You can break some stuff with this kinda torque
Great to see you guys a TTC have the Tegrity to cancel your order after finding out Milwaukee tried to pull a fast one, but it would've been nice to see if they're guilty of what they've been accused of for years for sending out models to reviewers that are different from what everyone else buys. Again, thanks for having that Tegrity 👍👍
Amazing testing. Thanks. I own the gen 1, and the newish mid torque. Always love to hear how things are being improved (or screwed up as with the high torque).
I commend you guys for the effort to maintain the integrity of the work you do. I agree that they likely wouldn’t try to juice the tools because you guys are thorough.
At last! Awesome video & finally we get to see how it really performs throughout varying tests but most notably, the batteries! It's a great tool, but up until now most ... 'creators' have merely shown it in its' best light as opposed to the more - realistic/average one ie no 5.0HO 24/7
The big dewalt chainsaw puts out 3hp from the 15Ah and 2.5hp from the smaller flexvolts ALL of which overheat before they're empty if you cut hard constantly. An hour cool off and you can finish draining them. I'm fine with it. 2x 15Ah is usually enough for the sorts of work it's good for.
