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Minor Clans Guide: Benefits, Unit Ranking, & Locations for Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord 

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UPDATE VIDEO HERE: • Minor Clans & Mercenar...
Minor Clans make up the backbone of not just the other Kingdom's mercenary contracts, but also an amazing option for your new kingdom's expansion. Through this guide today, I'm going to outline all of the minor clans, their difficulty on the campaign map, as well as ranking all of their units against my Best Units video to give you an idea of which Minor Clans you want to hunt to try and expand your own party and military might.
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@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus Год назад
UPDATED VIDEO HERE: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V6EJgv4IUeU.html
@Pepperpotk
@Pepperpotk 4 года назад
I love when they get killed by looters and when you kill those looters you get a Piñata of new troops
@lballzdurocher
@lballzdurocher 4 года назад
What a beautiful metaphor
@thetrustysidekick3013
@thetrustysidekick3013 4 года назад
Or just attack the mercenaries and take them all hostage for money.
@s315346
@s315346 4 года назад
It's so funny how those looters killed them in the first place. In my first playthrough, I got triarii from a group of 15 looters. I was like...really? What kind of tough-ass looters do we have in Calradia?
@lazerfruit2121
@lazerfruit2121 4 года назад
@@s315346 things like that are usually because looters will attack wounded parties then just get shitloads of prisoners
@crimsonlightbinder
@crimsonlightbinder 3 года назад
yeah, one time I was casually fighting 35 looters not even thinking about it, and then I rescued 5 cataphracts, alot of pricipes, hastati and 2-3 khuzait elders. I was like "you guys were prisoners to this unwashed stone throwing mob?" 😂
@wyliehodgson4217
@wyliehodgson4217 4 года назад
It would be a cool feature if the minor factions had a stronghold somewhere. Like one castle per faction where you could go interact with them.
@Arkancide
@Arkancide 4 года назад
Not only that, but it would give you a path to a castle/land without pissing off major nations and clans. I very strongly support this, even if it just results in a palisade and bailey, or motte and bailey!
@brenokrug7775
@brenokrug7775 4 года назад
Maybe a hideout type of settlement
@germantishchenko5622
@germantishchenko5622 4 года назад
@@Arkancide yeah, or a fortified cave hideout or someplace that they call home...
@djhusker
@djhusker 4 года назад
I would love a place to recruit there troops
@Arkancide
@Arkancide 4 года назад
@@djhusker I'd love a place to recruit the generic mercenary troops everyone seems to have, that I don't. A pure mercenary force of no nation, that is intriguing.
@Liam-vv6zo
@Liam-vv6zo 4 года назад
Imagine being able to customise your own troop trees
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl 4 года назад
That was a feature of many mods for Warband and it will certainly be a feature in Bannerlord mods. You could create completely custom units with whatever gear you wanted and the game balanced it by making units with better gear more expensive.
@Liam-vv6zo
@Liam-vv6zo 4 года назад
@@RicardoSanchez-es5wl can't wait for that
@ishmaelcampbell1692
@ishmaelcampbell1692 4 года назад
That would be awesome. Love your pfp btw brother 🙂
@JoeMartinez18
@JoeMartinez18 4 года назад
Right now we have ATC mod. Thx to him you can make your own top tree... if you have no problem working with XML files
@npc5649
@npc5649 4 года назад
I might have missed something but how do i recruit their special units
@Frdyan
@Frdyan 4 года назад
Also remember that the mercenaries can end their contract with you at amazingly inopportune times. I was in a siege of some importance and half of my siege force just got up and left, the leader of the faction was faster on map than my army so I couldn't even reason with him!
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Great Great point! Hahaha forgot to bring that up
@Falcon0BR
@Falcon0BR 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus But mercenaries are the only way to winning early wars, because you don't have fiefs to support other nobles, that will leave your kingdom.
@Falcon0BR
@Falcon0BR 4 года назад
That's why I always release mercenaries, to gain reputation with and make them stay longer working for me, never attack them, but you can recruit them to be nobles to your kingdom, if they are working to an enemy faction, it was awesome to recruit the legion of the dammed to your faction, as lord, not mercenaries.
@Jasta85
@Jasta85 4 года назад
What really sucks is that sometimes mercenaries seem to start wars on their own, and then leave you shortly afterward. Really hope they get the diplomacy system fixed cause I'm sick of my guy dragging me into wars I don't want to be a part of, I'm the king damn it.
@davidquezada50
@davidquezada50 4 года назад
Oof
@SeemsLogical
@SeemsLogical 4 года назад
About the jawaal, their best unit is actually their recruit. 250 athletics and little to no armor means that they can chase down some horsemen. They're surprisingly good against horse archers where they can subdue the horse with a javelin and then race down the unhorsed archer. But against other factions with heavier armor they need a numbers advantage to win and right now they don't come in high enough numbers to be a significant threat. Still bad but they are a fun minor faction if you want a challenge.
@lionidas4902
@lionidas4902 4 года назад
Wolfskins: on all levels except physical i am a wolf, WOOF.
@stephenwebb1456
@stephenwebb1456 4 года назад
"Sturgian mercenary with shock cav from a distant and mysterious land" does sound cool - not sure those camels would do well in the cold Sturian cold though...they should take notes from Hannibal's elephant riders...
@gtabro1337
@gtabro1337 4 года назад
Me 68 hours later: There are minor clans?
@ianison877
@ianison877 4 года назад
gtabro and that would be me also 😂
@Wolta
@Wolta 3 года назад
Me closing in at 100 hours: Didn't know I could do anything with them. Thought they're just other parties going around the map for immersion sake.
@AnUnknownPlayer.
@AnUnknownPlayer. 3 года назад
I found out about em like an hour in cuz i was paying attention to theyre flags and flag colors, so i’d over over em and see the faction name so
@drakebear1719
@drakebear1719 3 года назад
That was me 4 months ago, 6 hours into my 1st game. Also, I kept on beheading everyone lol
@zachmarshall620
@zachmarshall620 27 дней назад
Right 😂😂😂
@abad-enoughdude._.3919
@abad-enoughdude._.3919 4 года назад
I laughed harder than I should have looking at the Sprout. I thought the Sprout would be some kind of spritely young lad, but it was a old haggard looking dude haha.
@thyrrin5033
@thyrrin5033 4 года назад
I'm new to the mount and blade games and your guides have been really helpful, thanks for all the informative videos!
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Absolutely!! Is there anything or subject you're struggling with?
@northstar92
@northstar92 4 года назад
Same here, thank you!
@thyrrin5033
@thyrrin5033 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus for me the biggest struggle was commanding my army in bigger battles, but watching your video on it, and watching some streams helped me out a ton.
@CoryDAnimates
@CoryDAnimates 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus Yes Thank you for the guides and hard work! They have helped so much!
@reljaopacic9137
@reljaopacic9137 4 года назад
Yeah man mee to these videos helped me a ton, now im in a war with 2 clans and im a bit lost if sb can help me, im close to clan lvl 2 what should i do i have a solid party lf 40 man and a 10k in bank but should i go and try to destroy those 2 clans or do smt else so i can become a vassal of faction idk im a bit lost if sb can help me a bit like what should i do from now on 😅
@kkjoakk
@kkjoakk 4 года назад
This was a very well put together video, and super informative. I have mostly been ignoring the minor clans in my playthroughs, not any more. Thanks
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Yussss thanks man
@vonblunder
@vonblunder 4 года назад
Fantastic presentation, both from the lore and practical side, Thank you!
@seerozymandias7616
@seerozymandias7616 4 года назад
Nice guide. It took me a few new starts to realise that attacking the minor factions early doors was a good idea!
@maexlmaexl1478
@maexlmaexl1478 4 года назад
I guess the minor faction units might be able to be recruited in random taverns in the future. It would make them easier to access and they are mercenaries after all.
@justbull6841
@justbull6841 4 года назад
Pretty good breakdown of the units. I think some are properly placed in what they are meant to be good at and i remember something about a gang war idea that was in development. Maybe units like the hidden hand will have the special ability to follow you into towns during these events. One pet peeve: Eleftheroi is pronounced = el-Ef-the-ree. It does translate to free men.
@thomashoekkie1828
@thomashoekkie1828 4 года назад
Love this! Keep these informative video's coming! Thumbs up.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Thank you so much! More to come
@D.Rob86
@D.Rob86 4 года назад
Didn't think about this early game. Thanks for the tips
@MrManNumber1
@MrManNumber1 4 года назад
I needed his video as I'm stuck in my game on what to do next before trying to get my first settlement
@PH03N1X_83
@PH03N1X_83 4 года назад
Yet another great informational Bannerlord video! I always learn something that I had no clue of while watching your videos. I'd love to hear your break-down of the noble line of troops.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
I covered them, for the exception of Sturgia, in my best units video :) but thank you so much man
@PH03N1X_83
@PH03N1X_83 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus I'll have to check that one out, then.
@kodykayos7630
@kodykayos7630 4 года назад
Crossbows may not have as much damage as an archer but the fact that dudes got good armor a good shield and a good sword compared to archers means when the inevitable fighting starts they can hold their own
@Palabrota
@Palabrota 4 года назад
Agreed. This balancing becomes more important as you do more sieges and fewer field battles (or as field battles stop being a challenge). If you have a good number of high-level ranged units in a siege (xbow OR archer), they will usually clear the walls of militia archers before the hand-to-hand phase. If you're short on heavy infantry and dismounted cav, your xbowmen can go in with that wave and have a better K:D ratio than a comparable archer.
@kodykayos7630
@kodykayos7630 4 года назад
@@Palabrota exactly. And honestly. The xbowmen seems to do some serious work both as ranged units and melee units. I typically have a very small front line of heavy infanty and loads of cav and xbows because when melee starts the xbowmen can join the fight with their armor and sheilds
@MonteKowalsky
@MonteKowalsky 4 года назад
This has been my experience since at least 1.3. They do lower DPS, sure, but with the better armor and shields, they can hold their own against cavalry charges, especially against heavy cav as the crossbows seems significantly more lethal against armor. If you’re able to micro manage them, ordering them to hold fire until mounted units get into medium/short range, the one to two volleys they get out are savage. Plus any dismounted riders that somersault into their line can’t do much when outnumbered by medium shielded infantry.
@421less1
@421less1 4 года назад
Ive found that too. Do the vlandian ones still have a chance to spawn with no melee weapon though? That is/was ridiculous. Ive started keeping a small group of imperial medavillions and vlandian bills with my archer formations to help them deal with cav and found its really helped.
@lordatlas
@lordatlas 4 года назад
I appreciate the content ! Keep them coming
@colinaylward9582
@colinaylward9582 4 года назад
Love these!
@JokoCi
@JokoCi 4 года назад
You should have definately mentioned to never ever give a minor faction lands. They will run away with it. Minor factions do not stick with you!
@BuBornham
@BuBornham 4 года назад
Found that out the hard way when I thought I could get the Legion of Betrayed to be my best friends (pumping them with "support" influence) and let them manage the west bottleneck to my kingdom (I own all of Aserai at the moment). Motherfuckers let Vlandia run all over my shit.
@LordNotlek
@LordNotlek 4 года назад
JokoCi yeah I learned that the hard way
@lucasmagdalena7124
@lucasmagdalena7124 4 года назад
@Paxton So there is a fix to that in a mod now :) when you have a very good relation they will bypass the check and stay. Called Alliegance Overhaul
@lucasmagdalena7124
@lucasmagdalena7124 4 года назад
Additionally lets you rework penalties and gives diplomatic options for rulers
@user-rd4ql5en3y
@user-rd4ql5en3y Год назад
lol
@kurtschmidt5005
@kurtschmidt5005 Год назад
Great content!
@zstern7881
@zstern7881 Год назад
Great video. Thanks
@divineorb8899
@divineorb8899 4 года назад
my mans deserve more subs :)) this really helped my campaign
@grimgrauman7650
@grimgrauman7650 4 года назад
Ohhh man, lots have changed in the stats of the Troops and Tier level. Mayby you should make an updated Video about them, copy the first part and rank them again
@user-cr4cj1fl8z
@user-cr4cj1fl8z 3 года назад
Thank you. Good video full of info.
@spyindisguise2882
@spyindisguise2882 3 года назад
The info sadly is harshly outdated now. All of the troops in this video are now 50-70% weaker, because the devs wanted them to be around tier 3-4 strength.
@jaimitodubs
@jaimitodubs 4 года назад
if you take on a couple of companions with 100+ in roguery, you'll start seeing those t5 drops in the first month or so.
@Aetherion_
@Aetherion_ 4 года назад
Importantly for the Karakhergit as an alternative to the Khan's Guard, you don't need War Horses even when upgrading from lower tier, which is a huge constraint on mass high tier cav
@josephwomeldorf8006
@josephwomeldorf8006 Год назад
🎃😅
@driferdark4339
@driferdark4339 2 года назад
this video just made this game much better for me.
@brenokrug7775
@brenokrug7775 4 года назад
Superb video!
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Thank you!
@thetrustysidekick3013
@thetrustysidekick3013 4 года назад
I farm these guys in my current game. I'm at war with all minor factions. They're a great source of money and troops.
@sedeslav
@sedeslav 4 года назад
and your charm growing Hiiiiigh! :)
@mcsputz4494
@mcsputz4494 4 года назад
I'm curious, how do these minor clan mercenaries recruit their clan specific units when they're depleted after battles? I'm assuming they recruit from villages or towns like other NPCs, but from some invisble pool not privy to us the player? Either that or they somehow magically spawn them?
@TheStrykerSeven
@TheStrykerSeven 3 года назад
I'm not sure if they can. I just took down the Eleftheroi around the one year mark, and they only had a few of their special units left. They were filled out with some well-leveled Khuzait troops, suggesting that they had lost their own long before, recruited locally and fought with them for a significant amount of time before I found them.
@arthurgaultier2136
@arthurgaultier2136 3 года назад
I just realized I've made the exact same armor than triarii for my character. This helmet looks so stunning !
@stopherloafergaming
@stopherloafergaming Год назад
This was an excellent video. Thank you for posting this.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@stopherloafergaming
@stopherloafergaming Год назад
@@italianspartacus Currently binge watching your content for scientific reasons. lmao
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus Год назад
Mwhahaha Yusss!!!
@stopherloafergaming
@stopherloafergaming Год назад
@@italianspartacus Currently at war with the Legion of the betrayed, Embers of the Flame and Beni Zilal. My clan is called Ailverian Dragoneers and i am still a minor faction and it is about 500 days in to the game.
@TommyCurrell
@TommyCurrell 4 года назад
I had a great battle with the brotherhood. I didn't have many shields so I hid my troops behind a hill for coverand charged when the enemy got close :)
@111Tommyg
@111Tommyg 4 года назад
I love the sabling-aboreal troops, vlandian longbow men, having an english army feel
@SultanFilm
@SultanFilm 4 года назад
i do like mixing them with the vlandian crossbow, compliments them pretty well
@hereiam2005
@hereiam2005 4 года назад
I like your videos, but you should take into account the weapon load out of the troops when comparing them too. The game is very sneaky when it comes to troop equipment since they only show their skills in the encyclopedia. For example, the Khan's guards, despite the high stats, are armed only with the Steppe Recurve Bow with 62 damage, while the Aserai Mamelukes, despite being a tier 5 cavalry archer, come equipped with the far superior Noble Bow with 80 damage on far more heavily armored and faster warhorses. Likewise the reason Fian Champions are so overpowered is because they are the only troop in the game armed with Noble Longbow with 98 damage, compared to most other ranged troops (including the Aboreal) which are armed with the (relatively) weak Steppe Recurve Bow. And that's just the weapon, their armor loadouts are also drastically different, and for cavalry, their steeds and armor should be considered too. This game is way way more complicated than it is showing the players.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
I totally see where you're coming from and I absolutely agree with you. Using your Khans Guard example - they have superior armor and Glaives, outclassing the mamelukes (in my experience. Further, with the Fian - you're right, BUT the Fian also gets almost 100 bow skill more than the best non noble line archer, so he'll get a further damage increase (passively of course) to a bow, as well as firing rate. You definitely brought up a lot of good examples and I should absolutely try to drill down on those more BUT I am afraid that some load outs might be unintentional, bugged, or waiting for a balance.. So I try to keep my information pointed, but relatively general so that it remains true to what I feel is the representation of the unit in the game vs. Noble bows vs. Non noble (which is still a HUGE point of contention, so thank you for bringing that up). Just wanted to explain my reasoning so you didn't think I was glossing over stuff!! :)
@hereiam2005
@hereiam2005 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus Awesome! I didn't think you were glossing over anything though, I just thought there are something to add to the already excellent series! Keep up the good work, well done!
@nicholas7154
@nicholas7154 4 года назад
How do you check a unit's equipment?
@hereiam2005
@hereiam2005 4 года назад
@@nicholas7154 In the game other than looking at the unit (particularly when it's deployed) there's no way to check. Unfortunately. The only way right now is to look at the game file. spnpccharacters.xml and spitems.xml, specifically.
@benwhiley9680
@benwhiley9680 4 года назад
@@hereiam2005 Also, the Khan's guard only has one stack of arrows - so, he very quickly goes kamikaze mode. When horse archers run out of ammo they decide that they're heavy cav instead and charge in. Very annoying. The previous levels of Khuzait noble and the Kharakhuzait mostly have two stacks so, they live un-babysat (F6) by the player for much longer. I don't promote my noble khuzaits past Kheshig purely because of the ammo issue.
@Mistophoroi
@Mistophoroi 4 года назад
Those jawal recruits are insanely fast.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Breaking sound barriers
@fryingpancakes8445
@fryingpancakes8445 4 года назад
Their sheer running speed give them enough speed bonus to spear me off my horse in one shot. Why ride horses when you can run faster than Usain Bolt
@ziljin
@ziljin 4 года назад
I love the ben zilal horse archers
@milivojetomovic6138
@milivojetomovic6138 4 года назад
Good video. Can you do one for mercs\others?
@blackcat7k
@blackcat7k 4 года назад
Really wish that backstory for the clans actually translated into how they act on the campaign map. There's really no motivation to go after any of these clans because it seems they're not really doing anything other than being stooges for the main kingdoms.
@glitchgatsby4290
@glitchgatsby4290 4 года назад
I've mostly been avoiding guides since I'd rather slowly unfold the game than race to "break it" before other players do; however, this is something I wasn't really aware of
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Absolutely agree with you man. My guides hope to shed light on things that people have discovered but maybe don't fully understand quite yet :)
@teapotdome
@teapotdome 4 года назад
vid was excellent
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
You're excellent, Tea Pot Dome Scandal, President Harding!
@allanchurm
@allanchurm 3 года назад
enjoyed this thank you...
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 3 года назад
Thank you brother!
@kirkus9194
@kirkus9194 4 года назад
Question: does it matter which warhorse a unit uses to upgrade with? Like if my cataphract is upgraded with a steppe horse, does it actually retain that horse and specs in battle until the unit dies? Or does the game just take a warhorse out of my inventory and convert it into the horse of that unit's culture, i.e. no matter the warhorse used from inventory my cataphract/s will always use a Imperial charger on the battlefield?
@masonpxssy7402
@masonpxssy7402 3 года назад
For those puppeteers, add some poison (bleed damage) to the throwing daggers just to make their 200 throwing useful. Obviously still a low tier unit but maybe for easy recruitment early game and poison was definitely used on weaponry.
@heems1701
@heems1701 4 года назад
Triarii has a pilla witch is a throwable polerarme and that is what they ran in old Rome
@Idiotvera
@Idiotvera 4 года назад
An extra point in favour for attacking the hidden hand is that if you have access to cheap hardwood, their throwing knives can be smelted down to great materials to sell
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
It also helps to discover throwing weapon parts for smithing for a ton of money
@sproutz101
@sproutz101 4 года назад
There have been some great tests on best melee troop on the forum, would be great if you could test some of these troops out and make a video on it. Ie top sturgia beserker is worse than the 4 option.
@QivelGaming
@QivelGaming 4 года назад
Hi ItalianSpartacus, in regards to the best ranged units in the game. Have you seen the Sword Sister? The one I found had 300 bow, 150 Athletics, and 150 to all melee. They do seem to be extremely rare, but they are in the encyclopedia.
@hisevilness_com
@hisevilness_com 4 года назад
I found that mixing Crossbows with high per-shot damage with Champion Fians for range and high per-shot damage and better RoF then crossbows with Imperial Bucellarii who have great armor and a high RoF makes for an archer section in your army that can kill an opponent army of about 400 to 500 for 95%, with a spread of 40/40/40 on your own archers section.
@GIboy1990
@GIboy1990 4 года назад
I had a brotva in my company for ages. Dude never got wounded or killed in battle until I was completely and utterly overwhelmed
@Nyaxxy
@Nyaxxy 4 года назад
I tend to train crossbows like the boars/empire and deposit them as garrison troops. I find that they perform really well in sieges due to their armour, and armaments and because they duck behind ramparts to reload. I always tend to have archers on the field battles, more mobility, more firepower. I'd like to see crossbows get a bit of love. Maybe in the form of the Bolts having really high armour piercing and have additional Bolt types like we see with Arrows. I definitely think xbows with really high pierce would fit logically. Slow to fire but pack a solid punch.
@mikedittsche
@mikedittsche 4 года назад
This. They would be even better if they could fire from behind their pavese shield. This would make them an effective counter to archers in battles where the enemy fortifies on a hill.
@Nyaxxy
@Nyaxxy 4 года назад
@@mikedittsche Yea functional passive shields would be cool one day
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl 4 года назад
Micha Ols there were mods for warband where crossbow men would deploy their Pavise shields and use them for cover, so I definitely expect to see it in this game too.
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl
@RicardoSanchez-es5wl 4 года назад
They need to make bows much worse at penetrating armor to incentivize using crossbow men against heavily armored units. I would like the armor to be realistic in the sense that weapons either do damage through it or they don’t do damage at all rather than armor just being a damage reduction. In some warband mods, they made the armor so realistic that you could actually run into a crowd of 50 looters with all of them attacking you and take no damage at all. It was awesome. They even had a custom sound effect for weapons “dinging” off the armor.
@Sparticulous
@Sparticulous 4 года назад
Agreed and arrows need to be less piercing
@CZiNTrPT
@CZiNTrPT 4 года назад
yes, you did it, thanks! one question: if I'm already a mercenary/vassal, can I still fight minor clans? because everyone I found so far say's something like: "are you mad?" when I want to fight them and just leaves...
@saturn580
@saturn580 4 года назад
2:22 I'd set Duwain free just to see that look on his face. 🤣
@pandmonium6495
@pandmonium6495 3 года назад
LOL
@catofwar119
@catofwar119 4 года назад
I hope in the future we can establish some sort of relation with these minor faction to recieve their units or even ( i may be wrong here and we could already do that ) recruit them as an official clan in our faction.
@Noobfist
@Noobfist 4 года назад
I have 50+ something Lake rat wreckers in my army atm and getting more all the time :) they seem to always join whoever I'm fighting. I fucking love them! Such a good unit.
@DahvPlays
@DahvPlays 4 года назад
Are there any infantry, or units types at all for that matter, that use two handed swords? I've been messing with crafting lately, and it seems odd all these cool two handed sword models are going unused. Maybe the mobster guys could get greatswords, or another mercenary company
@darthplagueis13
@darthplagueis13 4 года назад
Not really, two handed weapons are in a bit of a weird spot right now. Technically, that's supposed to be a Battanian thing but somehow the devs don't seem to have bothered actually making proper two-handed battanian units, with all of their high-tier infantry using polearms.
@aljrvh
@aljrvh 4 года назад
@@darthplagueis13 doesn't fian champion use bow, 2 arrow quivers + a 2h sword?
@TheNEOverse
@TheNEOverse 4 года назад
Maybe the devs will give Fian Champions 2handers eventually. As they are, they're waving around onehanders despite their impressive 2h skills. Almost like they're handicapping themselves for a challenge lol.
@123Dunebuggy
@123Dunebuggy 4 года назад
Exilent video
@RoulicisThe
@RoulicisThe 3 года назад
Eager to see these minor clans becoming a full part of the politics and recruitement system, just like your own clan is. Since they can join bigger factions, and their clan become part of said faction's power, it would make sense for these minor clans to become a part of the politics, influence and relations as well. They recruit their own special units, so once they got a thief, it means you'd be able to recruit them in their clan capital as long as your relation with them is high enough (like how you have to improve your relation with a lord to unlock recruitement slots in it's properties). I could be wrong, but if the devs are truly planning this it'll just be amazing
@tdotfun
@tdotfun 4 года назад
Curious, how does the analysis apply to auto-resolve? You say the efelftheroi units are garbage, but I thought autoresolve only cared about the level and if they are cav/horses? If my info is correct about autoresolve (?), then efelftheroi units are one of the best for auto-resolve. They are horse/cav (10% bonus) and they only have 3 levels of upgrades - 1,3,5; also they could be the fastest/easiest to get to tier top level.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Well with the most recent patch reducing the effectiveness of auto resolve for cav by 10%, I'd say it further decreases their overall worth, but I didn't really test auto resolve as it's highly lethal in v1.2 onward I'm afraid. Sorry brother :(
@harlandrains1195
@harlandrains1195 3 года назад
Is it more worth it to make them mercenary or just straight incorporate them into your kingdom like u would for any other clan?
@germsage6726
@germsage6726 4 года назад
This is awesome! The cost to maintain these troops is totally worth it! I'm just annoyed by their troop classification and how it resets every time you leave the game (or have they fixed it?).
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Still no fix :(
@Zathaghil
@Zathaghil 4 года назад
Triarii tend to spawn without javelins as intended. Italian Spartacus (or anyone seemingly interested in Roman warfare) should know this. As it's a reflection of the actual old Roman Republic troops. Hastati and Principes used pila, but the Triarii were spear and shield troops, sans pila. Hence the flavour in the game too. Not by ANY means a bug.
@wu1ming9shi
@wu1ming9shi 4 года назад
The hidden hand is usually the first asshats that get the axe. Fu** those flying knifes!!! Also I once managed to get some Lake rat Homewreckers. Those guys are absolute BEASTS! Seriously they have some skills in the 200's!
@robbcabaian
@robbcabaian 2 года назад
Is it possible to exterminate a minor clan? I keep executing enemy minor clan members but new ones keep spawning in. They’ve cost me a bit of denars by capturing my caravans. In the clan encyclopedia, there’s also a filter for extinct clans but so far it doesn’t seem possible?
@tylohbolton84
@tylohbolton84 Год назад
So if I minor clan has a city or castle can I still hire or bribe him to fight for me and claim his land? I've had it happen plenty of times to myself
@illonakarl-fuyu4180
@illonakarl-fuyu4180 4 года назад
It s possible to convert those minor clan into regular vassals. As a vassal myself, i talk to their leader while he was at war wis my faction. And i persuade him to betray. They're not a mercenary anymore, and they were given a town.
@arjen6782
@arjen6782 4 года назад
How do you go about recruiting the minor faction units for your own army?
@CornBredCrusader
@CornBredCrusader 4 года назад
I thought that the Beni Zilal (?) were horse archers, were they updated to be skirmish cav?
@justin9202
@justin9202 2 года назад
I always find it hilarious how to deal worlds gives these troops stats that they don't even have any sort of weapons for. Like a large majority of sturgeon and britannian recruits have both dads and yet the only Bowman they have are the fiends while the fans are absolutely amazing they still only have feelings for their recruitable archers. And it almost every other single unit they have has some level of archery skill which will benefit them at all
@darthplagueis13
@darthplagueis13 4 года назад
Unit stat balancing is still weird. Like, why does a unit of archers from a minor clan have a better crossbow skill than the best crossbowmen you can get from the recruit line, in spite of not being able to use crossbows? I also feel like they really need to change the crossbowmens overall behavior so they can make some use of their shields. They could either have them deploy those shields like a historical pavese and basically use them like merlons, or they could keep them on the back but have the crossbowmen turn around when reloading, so that their shield faces the enemy.
@wolololer
@wolololer 4 года назад
and i feel like thats such an easy fix, why wouldnt thye fix that quick? at this point it feels like they just released the game so modders cna do all the work for taleworlds
@lorenzdaks2213
@lorenzdaks2213 4 года назад
I noticed in few of my battles that some crossbowmen actually turn around with shields on their backs while reloading. Devs should makr this consistent however
@csfelfoldi
@csfelfoldi 4 года назад
I have a strong suspicion that the Ghulams get a huge advantage over other cav because how they sit higher on those camels. I repeatedly lost elite cathaphracs and banner knights to them in battles even though we outnumbered them 2 to 1. They are my second most hated troop to meet on the field after the Khuzait horse archer spam.
@Lupusvonstahlklinge
@Lupusvonstahlklinge 4 года назад
Gonna build Rome with a big bunch of Triarii
@cumunist2120
@cumunist2120 3 года назад
But Rome already exists
@cinematicbluesmusic
@cinematicbluesmusic 4 года назад
was looking for a video on the minor clans for a while. thanks for doing this!... just a few things i've noticed. the Ghulam seems great, but the camels seem really lackluster to me. when i fight them they are extremely easy to chase down and have zero armor. maybe they seige better than normal cav units do to their great armor though? also the Veteran Forester and the Abhoreal seem really similar to me, minus the rework they did to the Veteran Forester to reduce their armor. is it that bad to where there is that much of a gap in viability between the 2? the Vet Forester still has 200 bow
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
That camel is so maneuverable though! I imagine they'll give them armor soon because they probably aren't intended to be so easy to catch right now hehe.. Arboreal also has some good secondary stats and really the armor upgrade is pretty huge.. Helps that survivability
@cinematicbluesmusic
@cinematicbluesmusic 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus yeah would be great if they added some armor to the camels, but still a great unit either way. did they switch the Arboreal and Vet Forester? the old Arb had no armor and the Vet Forester was stacked. now seems reversed. great vid man i'll sub
@redacted9111
@redacted9111 4 года назад
a pila (used by the Triarii and Legionary) is a thrown weapon irl, but a polearm in game. The bug is in the pila, not in the troops that use it ,imho.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
You're totally right. I did some digging on this.. The pila is registered as a throwing weapon in almost every regard Except inventory.. If you go to craft one, it only uses thrown weapon parts.. Which I found funny knowing its historical significance :)
@redacted9111
@redacted9111 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus And the pilum even has the anti shield bonus slimier to its effect irl, it's a shame its bugged. I'm avoiding Legionary troops waiting for them to fix it, it's just doesn't feel right. I've tried to change the type in the game files, but the game crushes when i do so.
@MegaCevapcic
@MegaCevapcic 4 года назад
Cant they be modded to press "X"?
@DisappointingRooster
@DisappointingRooster 4 года назад
@@MegaCevapcic only in multiplayer. But there has been a mod for quite some time that's called something like "make pila throwable again" that fixes this in singleplayer
@darthplagueis13
@darthplagueis13 4 года назад
Yeah, kind of weird. The pilum is arguably the most iconic type of javelin of all time but then they decided to make it a melee weapon instead.
@Alexander_MD
@Alexander_MD 3 года назад
adding prisoners to your army costs 1 morale per solider, is it still worth it to recruit them?
@magecraft2
@magecraft2 4 года назад
Pity you can not recruit the units of any minor clan who has joined you, I love the legion of the betrayed and the early roman feel of their units but to get them I have to fight them! Or am I missing something?
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Yeah unfortunately you can't recruit them just yet :(
@csfelfoldi
@csfelfoldi 4 года назад
If you are fighting for the same kingdom you can liberate them from the enemy if they get captured. That's how I get all my noble lines and tier 3+ troops these days. I don't even bother with recruits anymore. Sometimes I purposefully watch as an ally army gets defeated just to scoop up their troops from the battered enemy force. This also has the added benefit that one of the major nobles will be in custody so he can't make another army to divide the kingdoms force even more. Seriously I've seen all the nobles of a kingdom get captured in short succession cause they fight over the troops and make 4x400 troop armies instead of 1 or 2 much stronger force. If they do stupid things like that their elite troops will serve me better anyway...
@magecraft2
@magecraft2 4 года назад
@@csfelfoldi Nice plan I had not really thought of that, I know I have gained high level troops that way but being able almost to cherry pick some units. You just wait for them to be defeated then slam the cad who did it :)
@iamplay797
@iamplay797 4 года назад
you can't sustain replenishment with those minor faction troops has cool has they are,i tried to get principes and triarii and i had like maybe a dozen at most and after a few big battles and siege then what
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Very true.. Until we get reliable recruitment, they're hard to maintain.. But i have a save with over 30 Skolders. Just depends on your luck!
@cristianlisenfeld6596
@cristianlisenfeld6596 3 года назад
The Triarii and imperial t5 inits use the pila, is a trowing weapon and a short spear, but they carry only one but most of the time is hit kill
@somnorila9913
@somnorila9913 3 года назад
I attacked a Hidden Hand member and some near by looters joined with him. Why is that and how can i become friendly with bandits?
@abrahamramos2820
@abrahamramos2820 3 года назад
Do minor clans get eliminated when all of their lords died from old age or battle or do they add new lords, it seems like they dont marry anyone
@Kadbros
@Kadbros 4 года назад
Is there still a honor system in place like in Warband?
@ambientTakeover
@ambientTakeover 2 года назад
For some reason my Brotherhood of the Woods minor clan in my campaign right now is hanging out in the Aserai lands. Weird place for the ronbin hood bros to hang out lol.
@minoxen
@minoxen 4 года назад
I would love a timestamp cheat sheet to click on each factions breakdown!
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Wait... I didn't put that in!? Fuck OK.. Sorry man!! Hahah
@EricHockridge
@EricHockridge 3 года назад
I don't think you can engage in combat with minor factions anymore as of 1.5.4. I engaged the lake rats with neutral relation and not at war and the deliver my demands option resulted in a chat box of me apologizing and leaving the conflict. Note: I am currently a mercenary for Vlandia
@JD96893
@JD96893 3 года назад
The legion of thee betrayed units are actually named after Roman Legion units, although if memory serves principes(pronounced princheepaes) should be the most advanced. Triarii were Rome's version of heavy spear infantry. The hastati were mid to late Roman light infantry(they couldn't afford more) and were armed with the staple Roman legion shield with a gladius and a spear.
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 3 года назад
Hastati had to provide their own armament and typically included light armor of a bronze chest shield. Principes (the C as a S sound is classic Latin vs. Church Latin which does C as a CH sound) were sons of the aristocracy or wealthier, more veteran soldiers.. Then there's the triarii, they did in fact use spears, they had the heaviest armor, but were the oldest veterans. It's where the term, "its down to the triarii" comes from - they anchored the line! :)
@user-ez5nh3yz1u
@user-ez5nh3yz1u 4 месяца назад
Obviously a lot has changed since pre-access when I think this came out, or even since 1.0 full release. But present day (March 2024) all minor clan unique units range from pretty bad to complete garbage. They max out at tier 4 and often have weird, nonsense equipment setups that make them fairly useless such as The Hand having what is basically a skirmisher but with throwing knives instead of javelins making them trash on a battlefield, or the Embers of the Flame being infantry with poor armor, no shield and only a short 1 handed sword, Jawaal Bedouin or the Ghilman's Ghulams are something akin to a weak light cavalry unit, except on slow camels with sub-par weapons (even for T4 troops) that can't even be couched, same with Eleftheroi except they have a horse and instead are as squishy as an archer and have neither shield or thrown weapons, and Arboreals are archers with mid bows, almost no armor and only one quiver of 20 arrows. Kherakergit elder isn't AS bad but is just a worse version of Khuzait heavy horse archers which are already just a worse version of the Khan's guard, same can be said of the Wolf archers and Veteran Foresters being straight up worse versions of Battanian archers and Triarii are just Imperial trained infantry without throwing weapons and the ability to upgrade. Beni Zilal Royal Guard, Boar Champion, Skolder Veteran Broda, and Lakerat Wreckers are probably the closest to useable of the bunch but they are still lower end T4 troops that cannot be upgraded but if you just needed bodies in your army ASAP I could at least see a way to use those 4 until you get something better. The others I wouldn't even bother with unless you just wanted them for some RP reason or simply for the novelty of it.
@raynightshade8317
@raynightshade8317 4 года назад
Kinda hope they add more minor clans to the cultures that only have one or two, and make the weaker ones more viable and distinct would love to do a game trying to just us minor clans
@favorius
@favorius 2 года назад
I hired 3 of them for my new kingdom. I cannot hire 4th one. Is there a cap for hiring minor clans?
@Jorthax
@Jorthax 4 года назад
If we have nothing but recruits, what sort of unit size ratio should we shoot for?
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Hmm whatcha mean by unit size ratio and I'll try to help
@Jorthax
@Jorthax 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus ie. You encounter a party of 20 Lake Rats, but you have a unit full of scrubs. What kind of ratio would you generally need in terms of sheer numbers? 2:1? 3:1?
@pr0faker
@pr0faker 4 года назад
I really like those wolves and foresters, for defending my castles etc, they shoot a ton of arrows due to their high archer skill, and if they are behind the walls shooting people they usually survive fine. The skolderbrotva are awesome, so are the boar champions. karakhuzait elders are very good too but I find playing with horse archers boring. The triari are also good, ghulams and faris are ok ish, but the rest are just frankly trash. they need to balance those a bit, since like the oath keeper are even with decent stats not great, unless they go the berserker style of fighting. I think the crossbows should do better vs heavy armor and archers be better vs low tier or light armor, that should make them way more viable and archers less op.
@Berstalin
@Berstalin 4 года назад
I wished this video was up 2 days ago. In my campaign Western empire had one settlement left so i wanted it to start my own kingdom. But the dude had lots of minor clans in his services and they kept respawning in droves after i released them after each defeat to get charm up. So i thought off with their heads them silly buggers. Now many of the minor clans are extinct or down to one member. I regret that now. Feels like a loss to the game when the unique units are gone. Hopefully next patches start adding more of the kid raising stuff so that they can have offspring to keep them clans going.
@CollinInGame
@CollinInGame 4 года назад
Which unit is the ghoulman?
@frenchfry9370
@frenchfry9370 3 года назад
What version of the game is this? I've been playing "e1.5.6" and the Triarii are garbage on this version with lower stats than even Imperial Veteran Infantrymen
@GoBIGclan
@GoBIGclan 4 года назад
yeah but how do you go to war with minor clans? Does it just happen automatically?
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
Oh sorry, you just attack them! :)
@GoBIGclan
@GoBIGclan 4 года назад
@@italianspartacus aha so no other negative consequences for just attacking a minor clan as long as they are independent... cool I would not have tried that if I didn't see this video
@EvansTurin
@EvansTurin 4 года назад
Maybe a dumb question but where do you see how good an armor of a unit is?
@italianspartacus
@italianspartacus 4 года назад
You'd need to download a mod I'm afraid..... Or just play an obsessive amount like I do and recognize the armor the units are wearing
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