Minor Political Parties - Professor Vernon Bogdanor FBA CBE

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In the past, these were of two types (1) Breakaway parties such as the Liberal Unionists before the First World War and the SDP in the 1980s or (2) Extremist parties such as the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s and the Communist Party. Most of them have been unsuccessful. The United Kingdom Independence Party is an exception.
In 2015, UKIP showed itself the most successful minor party in British history, winning one-eighth of the vote. Since then, it has been in decline. What is the explanation of the failure of the minor parties?
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@adampowell5376 Год назад

There was so important social history just before and just after WW1 that is often overlooked.

@elgee6202 Год назад

The interesting thing about Ukip is that it would've been a major party in 2015 if we had a proportional voting system as it was the third most popular party but only gained one seat because its vote share was too thinly spread. Its extra-parliamentary success is because it was a major party for all intents and purposes except for its representation in the House of Commons.

@adampowell5376 Год назад

There's a lot of wisdom in "Just William".

@orthofox9302 4 года назад

I got convinced because the B.U.F was on the thumbnail

@Cybernaut551 3 года назад

Same here. Click-bait.

@bothi00 Год назад

@@Cybernaut551 how is that click-bait?

@evolassunglasses4673 Год назад

Based

@paulgrad5183 6 лет назад

A very interesting lecture on an important topic. Glad to hear they finally repealed the Corn Laws.

@bigyin2586 2 года назад

Regarding the analysis of the “typical” UKIP voter, how does one reconcile the claim of a meritocratic establishment against its love of “diversity” hiring (and other selection) practices?

@lom888 6 лет назад

39:10 Is interesting, Professor Bogdanor normally doesn't state his opinion in his Gresham lectures, and normally they don't edit these lectures, yet there is a jump after he states that he is opposed to Brexit.

@Mortomes 5 лет назад

You can hear the start of a cheer from the audience right before the cut too.

@tonycox8587 5 лет назад

I had guessed his affiliation, but it doesn’t detract from my appreciation of his lectures. I think - with no other data - that his opposition to BrExit is based on the considerable difficulties and dangers in undoing the damage wrought to the constitution and conventions of the UK in the last 40 years by the EU. He does not trust the politicians, quite rightly too. HOWEVER, this position seems to me only valid if one is to trust the judiciary instead. In the US, the judiciary has long since lost the confidence of thinking people, and the doctrine. of judicial legislation is well entrenched. Perhaps he thinks the UK judges aren’t subject to the same temptations.

@realnoahsimpson Год назад

Vernon, I'm a Green Party member, the Greens and our ancestral parties PEOPLE and Ecology are important in the history of politics in the UK, but you haven’t discussed us in your excellent lectures

@vatsmith8759 Год назад

But the SDP is still going...

@warprecautions631 Год назад

Kind of. The original SDP desovled itself in 1988 and merged with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats. Those who opposed the merging continued on as the SDP until that party dissolved itself in 1990 following its disasterous result at the Bootle by-election. The current SDP is a splinter from that group, but policy wise they have adopted a socially conservative and Eurosceptic stance, while the original SDP was socially liberal. Ideologically the party is not the same, just the name.

@flachi32 Год назад

We desperately need two new parties now at least!

@j.harrison6744 Год назад

Stop acting like democracy works. We're not going to vote our way out of this mess.

@flachi32 Год назад

@@j.harrison6744 ok comrade

@sshrdlu 2 года назад

Bogdanor is a delicate thinker and an important contributor to understanding of the British constitution. In fact, I even appreciate his dedication to considered advocacy for the organs of UK government, which are rarely discussed except by their members or critics. But he repeatedly shows himself an ideological oaf. The idea that racism in UKIP is negligible is laughable. The comparison between 'a very small minority' of UKIP members having misogynistic or racist attitudes, and accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party, shows extraordinary partiality. In a healthy media culture, such a comment would be deeply embarrassing for a senior academic.

@dave_goldcrest Год назад

There is already a new SDP, they have a couple of councillors I believe.

@addtexthere7823 5 лет назад

I'm all for the new british union

@addtexthere7823 5 лет назад

@@CryptCaws oh really who are you with now

@addtexthere7823 5 лет назад

@@CryptCaws yes we could get in the mainstream but do you think the label of fascist will be used instead of formal debate

@mkairsofters8808 3 года назад

@@CryptCaws i agree. There is nothing memorable about Raikes. He doesnt stand out like Mosley did

@googlegirl7717 3 года назад

The New British Union still isn't really going anywhere. Bit frustrating, but not unexpected

@GY1025960 6 лет назад

Thanks for posting this series of lectures. Where is the Lecture #6?

@GY1025960 6 лет назад

Find Lecture #6 here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AQqvXLLh29k.html 6of6: Two-Party to Multi-Party Politics - Vernon Bogdanor

@joestead346 Год назад

@@GY1025960 Thanks for the link!

@johnkipling1 6 лет назад

Here professor Bogdanor demonstrates his vast knowledge of parliamentary party politics and his complete divorcement from class politics, leading him to some incorrect conclusions and rendering his material of no use to anyone who wants to change the capitalist system, other than as amusement or anecdote.

@dariowiter3078 5 лет назад

What has changing the capitalist system got to do with the British political history and parliamentary government, dummy?

@casteretpollux 2 года назад

Yes. Some useful information but huge gaps in knowledge and can't compare with far more insightful materialist analysis.

@casteretpollux 2 года назад

@@dariowiter3078 Wait and see.

@catmonarchist8920 Год назад

5:00

@AnEnemy100 2 года назад

Golf club racism is still racism.

@tyronefromchad 2 года назад

racism is epic and based

@zachsmith5515 Год назад

assuming it exists. why not talk about Working Men's Club racism?

@stephenholmes1036 Год назад

@@zachsmith5515 or middle class liberal racism?

@evolassunglasses4673 Год назад

In group preference is completely normal around the World.

@j.harrison6744 Год назад

'Racism' is a subjective moral judgement. You might as just use the word 'sinner'.

@arnobirner8153 4 года назад

I like Bogdanor, an his snite remarks about the absurdities and ludicrousness of communism and the communist party are all finely crafted, but I find that whole passage still a bit lacking. It lacked at least some reference to the thousands of people that died in the early 20th century by the sheer disregard of (british) capitalism for human life. I strongly think, if they could have a voice, they might have some things to say about the oh so ridiculous absurd idea of disemboweling the wealthy, after for example your second child died due to an illness, that could have been healed, but unfortunately, you were too poor to pay for it... Some respect for the downtrodden victims of capitalism would have been in order, when making jokes about their misguided search for a relief from their serfdom.

@zachsmith5515 Год назад

there are millions more victims of socialism and communism than capitalism. without capitalism there would be a LOT more poverty

@adampowell5376 Год назад

These comments about racism and anti-semitism are plain wrong and ignorant. There is however a fascism of the left. I will not mention any names but I think that a former deputy leader of the Labour Party belonged to that tendency.

@stephenholmes1036 Год назад

Spot on

@adampowell5376 Год назад

@@stephenholmes1036 Thank you. I think this sort of left fascism arose this week with a certain advert.

@faresrizk7725 Год назад

Opposing jewish self determination when you did nothing when you knew of jewish extermination is the height of British right-wing hypocrisy.

@markanthonycoliinson873 Год назад

Drivel.

@bothi00 Год назад

What didn't you like ?

@zachsmith5515 Год назад

cheers Mark! where would we be without your in depth analysis?

@williamkelley1783 7 месяцев назад

🎉this is perhaps my fifth lecture by this guy, and until this one I thought them reliably balanced and informative. no more. This man is an elitist delusional idealogue. This lecture is loaded with serious charges of racism and antisemitism without offering a single example or shred of evidence. I'm done with Bogdanor, seriously disappointed

@hi1gr196 5 месяцев назад

As a close look at the title might tell you this one is about minor parties, which the Labour party is not so obviously there's not the full argumentation about this one. And i sicerely hope you are not refering to the Mosley-party.