Miscellaneous Myths: Ursa Major 

seriously can we get another show or even a game about greek gods because i realy want to beat up zeus several billion times like in god of war but more repeat over over and over again 😐

Back in 2017, I put Ursa Major and Ursa Minor (facing north according to iPhone 5 compass) on my ceiling in glow in the dark stars. Then I moved. Now I can sort of take a piece of that with me.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? BEAR PINS??AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO SELL YOUR SOUL FOR EM??? SIGN ME UP

Ah Zeus, ruiner of many lives and starter of many myths in Greek Mythology

Never enough money for all the pins 😭

And you would likely still have some left to spare.

Oh, you'd have way more than that.

It's definitely easier to list the myths that *don't* involve that.

For each varient or just each myth? This scales your wealth by a couple orders of magnitude with fully restoring the Parthenon being on the lowerer end.

" Life was good... AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS "

that's a plausible reaction

Artemis's villain origin story right there.

It's a perfect model that all authors should follow

🤣🤣🤣🤣that ending was perfect

Actual Artemis : ... Why didn't a FEMALE follower of a FEMALE goddess not notice inconsistencies in terms of ANATOMY?!?! Zeus : Look, I once impregnated a chick as a golden shower. Anatomy isn't really an issue for me.

@@seanmcfadden3712 Zeus said trans rights

@@leeshajoi OMG! That is such a good take!

Some fantasy "virgin" rules count lesbians as virgins, as they haven't been with a man. I've seen it with stories about unicorns and the like.

Pytheas went to the Artic circle. Maybe not the Artic itself, but who knows

@@fullmoontales1749 The Arctic circle is literally where the arctic starts. And depending on the geography, you will see polar bears at that point.

Horoscopes are real but only for bears

Hey, the arctic has to have ONE animal the Antarctic doesn't, since the Antarctic gets the penguins.

@@videogollumer Arctic used to have penguins as well, up to 19th century, but humans happened.

Okay, I shouldn't have laughed that hard...

That’s no way to talk to your transgender lesbian dad Artemis

@@cartoonishidealism582 IMO, Zeus clearly represents the absolute worst motivation of the people taking shelter in the trans rights movement--he's simply a voracious sexual predator who will do whatever he finds necessary to gain access to his prey of choice. If getting his rocks off with his victim-of-the-week means he has to turn into a swan or a shower of gold or a woman, he'll do it just as readily as turning into a seemingly mortal man.

@@cartoonishidealism582 And in pride month no less! For shame Artemis!

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Obi-Wan Kenobi? Why are you here?

And the anatomy of Artemis when banging

History will call them good friends...

Just gals being pals.

either that or Zeus was just being a rapper as usual and forced himself onto Callisto

Like Achilles and Patroclus! They’re such good friends!

@@Harambae613 nah nah nah nah- they’re cousins!

Imagine being Zeus, and not giving a fuck

Artemis : haiya

least insane greek sexual interaction:

You must be new to greek mythology

Reminding a goddess of it is the kind of thing that'll get you turned into a spider.

Im not even the barest bit surprised, its barely even top 100 most unbearably stupid thing Zeus has done

Ah, the bear-eaucracy of getting curses lifted, always a huge pain.

that pun was unbearable.

Blast it all, I was gonna make this joke.

And the fact that she was abandoned by Artemis cause she had to bear a child.

It does have a lot of mountainous geography and wooded forests, and it’s a bit of a harsh climate for agriculture, so the idea of being at the mercy of nature, with scary or mysterious things hiding easily among trees and caves, was probably keenly felt.

Australia

You know, good point. Iirc, many of the god myths originated from there. I feel like to the Greeks, they had this kind of wild but necessary connection to Arcadia. Like, they looked back on it with fascination, similar to us... But what's interesting is they seem to still include Arcadian deities, altho perhaps not as favorably as their own.

That would be refreshing. ...I'm not sorry

It would be interesting

Lore Olympus, right?

@@QuanticDreamer The Latin geographer Strabo, actually.

That really sounds like something a modern writer would make up but I looked it up and its seems to check out. I can at least find the ancient text this was supposed to be written in. Also the greek word for mint is pronounced kind of like Minthe.

No kidding and what even worst is that he transform himself into one of his daugher.... i was like " oh no...Athena would never believe in that kind of story even if her follower is that loyal...."

"A olympian god?" "Zeus casually raping anything with two legs " "ZEUS THE OLYMPIAN GOD?!"

@@billcipher4368 Bold of that paraphrased quote to assume Zeus would stop at *two* legs.

As soon as I saw the thumbnail I immediately knew it was going to be his fault.

"They're all untrue. Except the tales of my bravey, those are completely accurate, even a bit humble if I may add."

We live in a society that has decided people can change their sexes just by saying they have. Pot.. kettle?

To be fair, explaining why you can't teleport, but electrons can hop orbits, or any of the weirder parts of science, would sound arbitrary

Pausanias is like Hyginus. Hyginus can acept that Perseus had a invisibility cap, but he can not acept that that cap is the one from Hades himself.

@@fullmoontales1749 That gosh darn Planck's constant keeping use from teleporting

I love this headcanon

@@corvus_da Aww, thank you! :D

This makes sense, and is fun to think about

@@thedragonwarrior5861 Thank you! Glad you agree! :D

I think there was a way in ancient Greece to bathe in holy water and become re-virginated. Maybe they could've tried that.

Yesss

true :)

MORTE NECKLACE SEAL FIGHTS

Why do you think I keep buying her pins?

Like a bear flipping off the heavens.

Are you proud of yourself? How can you type this and not think that people will read this with their own eyes? I can't bear the sight of this.

This post is unbearable.

Ba dumm tsss It seems a lot of us hear have lost our... BEARings on the situation

Kinda polar reception here

@@tvccreator_elysius You could say it’s real Ursa Major pain

Wait what

This I have to hear about.

Ikr artemis is so adorable in that game.

What game is this a troll?

@@BlueRecRoomThe roguelite game “Hades”

LOL

Yea I was waiting for that story LOL

Also that Artemis would have been nicer if Callisto didn't lie and hide it. Had she not hid it Artemis would have helped her land somewhere less unbearable

@@krspaceT1 in the Percy Jackson books?

@@inkedseahear correct in the companion book above mentioned

This is why I love rick’s books.

A storytelling choice of "Tell, because we cannot sure the audience is smart enough to understand the showing".

... What the F, Heracles ?!

@@orianefaton1885 Yup. Heracles.

... I'm going to pretend this happened while Heracles was still drunk off his ass from hanging with his centaur buddies.

You can't swing two bears without hitting a constellation

Damn. Throwing bears into the stars. Ancient Grecco-Roman beer pong went hard.

Sees a well-built man: “Cause of death?” “Spear in the chest.” Sees a old person: “Cause of death?” “Old age.” Sees a frail person: “Cause of death?” “Plague.” Sees a young attractive woman who’s really grumpy: “Zeus?” “Zeus.”

@@inkedseahear Or young attractive man. Zeus don't discriminate between male and female. All that matters is if they are pretty enough to catch his eye.

@@Ilikecatsismychannelname Actually, as far as we know (unless I'm mistaken), Zeus was only ever attracted to one man, and that was Ganymede. Apparently, the kid was just THAT beautiful. Plus, Ganymede was the only one of Zeus' lovers to be made immortal and brought to live on Mt. Olympus, so...

@@Kelaiah01 Just because that's the only myth that made it to the present doesn't mean it's the only myth. I am pretty sure there were more. Also I wouldn't refer to Ganymede as a man. The versions I've read made it clear he was barely a teenager which...is uncomfortable to think about. Damn it Zeus...

@@Ilikecatsismychannelname Fair point. ^^ There's so much about the Greek myths we don't know about thanks to all the lost info over the millennia(s). Though I'm honestly curious, what makes you think there were other male lovers of Zeus? I'd like to hear your reasoning. :) As for Ganymede's age... yeah. I've read a few different versions myself. Some have Ganymede as arguably "age appropriate" (at least, for the time period), while others have him as younger. ^^ I prefer to think of Ganymede as 18, just to fit my own modern sensibilities, lol. And thanks to the webcomic "Lore Olympus," I like to imagine the Olympians as looking to be in their 20s or maybe early 30s, so that way Zeus and Ganymede don't look so odd together.

In Arkadia, Artemis was apparently especially worshipped as a goddess of the woodlands at groves and rivers, with dryads and naiads as her companions.

One of the Homeric hymns actually gives a reason why it’s such an important place to her, just can’t remember what it was

I read somewhere that since they didn't have monkeys in Europe, bears were considered the animal closest to humans, and that is why they show up in fairy tales so often.

@@LizzianaJones I don't think it was the Homeric hymn, The Callimachus hymns mentions she getting her hounds from Pan in Arcadia and Atalanta in Arcadia

@@inkedseahear THAT WAS IT thank you!! I got them confused for a sec

Ba-dum-tss

*slow claps out of the room*

​@Grima the Fell Dragon Is that joke too much for you to *bear* ?

I just had some minor deja-vu, red made this joke before, didn't she? Was it the Orion video?

@@marvintg2002 holy shit you’re absolutely right

The answer: Yes.

I think Hera want to punish Zeus but kinda can't. There are myghs where she tried to stage a coup and failed.

​@@noukan42 You're right, I kinda forgot about that one

Hera is the archetypical yandere

@@noukan42 I have never heard of any of that, outside of weird things like that animated Xena/Hercules crossover where Hera unleashes the titans and turns the other gods into animals... Unfortunately the major exposure I have to Hera's qualifications as a leader are 1 how she handled the lead up to the trojan war, 2 how she handled the trojan war 3 all the stories where she ruins the lives of mortals in a case of victim blaming since she can't actually punish zeus, or rather can't lash out at him directly, and 4 the time she actually favored a hero and he was JASON, who's ONE recorded bit of kindness was helping a disguised Hera, and who's heroic journey is half a greek avenger's story where he is basically baggage for all the more interesting and capable people to carry along as they solve the plot, and the second half is a demonstration of how horrible a person he is as the consequences for all the murder he either did or had done on his behalf comes back to bite him, along with doing the ONE thing that could get not only Hera to turn on him, but Zeus to support her fully. Zeus' track record as a leader isn't great when he isn't slaying monsters, and his list of abuses of power(99% sexual) makes up almost 100% of what everyone knows about him, but Hera hasn't really covered herself in glory either- To be fair noone came out of the trojan war looking good, but I would like to hear at least one story about the king and queen of the gods BEING good at that job, rather than just having all the power and either abusing it, or having to smack down other gods with their authority. Seriously, Hera does show off her authority as Queen, but basically only in the context of forcing other lesser divinities to make life harder for one of Zeus' kids or the mothers thereof.

Well in Hades, Artemis comments that Callisto has the ability to turn into a bear innately. While Zeus is still a complete chauvenistic asshole, I think the 'cutting out the zeusenings' is a pretty big component of Supergiant's retellings of myths.

I knew something of one of these telling and did always wonder why Callisto was seen positively by Artemis in the game

@@Brian-tn4cd probably just refraining the myth like people do with Hades and Persephone.

THAT'S WHERE I KNOW HER NAME!!!! The entire time I was like "I've heard of Callisto before, I swear" Thank you! You saved me hours if trying to remember

@@ellymyths you may have also heard it since its one of Jupiter's major moons.... Alongside others he had his way with

Agreed. I spent the whole time reading thinking, "If you almost die multiple times every time you sail, why would you ever go anywhere near the ocean?" I mean, the first time _I_ get carried off by a giant bird, I am done with this sh*t. I'm weird like that.

imagine if future historians thought snl skits were what actually happened

@@chuckled125 Kind of! To be fair, a comedic parody can still tell us something - it can tell us what was funny and/or comedic convention at the time. Though good luck to future generations trying to figure out David S. Pumpkins…

I agree with them that it’s hilarious.

"It's just a prank, Callisto" "It's not a prank, it's a trap!"

Ovid version IN THIS CASE is not that bad however. But his version of the history of Medusa, and Atlas, who is a god, turning into stone by Medusa head, is just horrible and unfortunaly changed a lot of people perception. Most greeks and romans did not believe Atlas turned to stone for example, because he is a freaking god. However, a lot of people today seems to believe that (even trough he still appears in Heracles story later fine), just because of Ovid.

It would be

Melinoe appears in one hymn and that’s basically it. No myths, just a vague description of her driving people to madness. So… probably not enough for a full video. I suppose Red could delve into like, all the theories surrounding her and possible syncretisms and stuff but otherwise there’s not much.

@@cartoonishidealism582that’s why it would probably be on Zagreus, Melinoe, and any other kids Hades and Persephone have in the myths.

I *do* like the idea of a kind of "Myths Medley" video, where Red takes a few tiny myths that themselves couldn't fill a whole video and does a bunch back-to-back to make a video that does.

@@annekeener4119 the problem is that the Greeks called Hades "Zeus of the Underworld" and the orphic cult thought the 2 bros were the same god, just different aspects. So a lot of confusion on not wanting attention, synchronization, and own personal head Canon

It was actually _much_ worse, well Ovid's version was, anyway. Zeus-as-Artemis beckons Kallisto to her only to grab Kallisto by the arms and then transform back into Regular Zeus. Kallisto is unable to escape his grip, Ovid writing something like "for who can be stronger than the king of the gods?", and so the lord of heaven rapes her.

Zeus made someone pregnant in the shape of a golden shower and hes artemis dad im pretty sure he knows shat she looks like

It should be noted that the version where Zeus turns into Artemis first came from a comedy, meaning that the latter scenario you describe and the following Callisto accusing Artemis of all people of impregnating her was played mostly for laughs

cause the pan/ dipper is only a small part of the actual bear. Light pollution most likely makes it hard for contemporary people to see the full night sky (especially when you live in the city). Back in the day they probably saw the weaker stars too

​@@dandelion_16 Still, even with all stars visible, it seems arbitrarily connected and doesn't really look like a bear to me

In school, one of my books showed a picture of a woman sitting in a chair holding a mirror over a bunch of stars in a pretty straight line. Constellations are weird

​@@thedragonwarrior5861 Pretty sure that's Cassiopea, A.K.A. the letter W.

Artemis takes vows of chastity seriously. Doesn't matter that she was assaulted; she broke her oath. Oath-breaking was a serious thing back then. Kassandra also made an oath to Apollo to remain chaste... and then he wanted her and she must say "no" lest she break her original oath to him. The irony. Though, that means it's unclear if, had she not taken a chastity oath, if she WOULD have slept with him...

@IceQueen975 Hence why it doesn't sit right- yeah, she vowed to remain chaste, but if she didn't break that vow willingly and couldn't do much to stop it, seems pretty screwed up to then execute her for it. (She's arguably guiltier in the versions where she willingly goes along with it, especially when Zeus takes on Artemis' form- Callisto _should_ have known something was up if Artemis was hitting on her- but even then it's a disproportionate punishment.)

I heard one where artemis turned her into a bear, as punishment and to remind her that if she ever saw her again shed be killed

​@@IceQueen975 Wasn't the story that Kassandra agreed to lay with Apollon in exchange for the gift of prophecy only to go back on her word, yes?

​@@Romalac I still say Kallisto is not at fault, especially not in Ovid's version. Ovid makes clear that Zeus was disguised as Artemis to lure her into a false sense of security, that he grabbed Kallisto by the arms, the hunter unable to escape his grip, and raped her after returning to his regular form.

Korea was (mythologically speaking) created when a bear turned into a woman, married a sky god, and had a child!

Its amazing just how truly accurate this coincidence is. Arctic = land of bears named because you can see the bear constellations year round and most (all?) bear species live in or around the arctic. (Alaska is famous for having every bear species in north America have their range extend into it) And then we named the other icecap/pole the Antarctic which basically means the opposite of the arctic and its a land where the bear constellations are never visible and no bears inhabit the continent. And then we have stuff like electricity where we guessed that the positive charges moved and defined current as the direction a positive charge would move, and the reality is that negatively charged electrons move so current points opposite of electron flow. (It was 50/50 and we guessed wrong)

“Welcome to the bear circle”

Welcome to bear town, where we only have one rule and it is to spite god

Honestly, whoever did the worldbuilding for bears did a great job here

Isn't that everyone's face when they eat bread?

a lot of red's videos are her talking in more detail about something I vaguely remember being mentioned in middle school

Ancient Greek Child: Dad, our gods are messed up. Ancient Greek Father: No, YOU'RE messed up!! No, I... I'm sorry. You're... probably not messed up.

Step into the _BEAR CIRCLE._

@@ToaArcan cue SpongeBob "sea bear" joke

Arctic = Bear Antarctic = no bear One letter off to spell Anti Arctic.

So in most stories

Callisto: I suppose this is as good a time as any to reveal my true feelings Artemis: No, no, no, no, no, no… just no

There's an imposter Among Us.

Artemis: Im definitely telling hera...

Yeah, have to admit, really sad that we don't get a version where Callisto calls out Artemis on that it was Artemis herself who seduced her and yet got her pregnant. Though I guess there is a 50/50 chance of Artemis taking that at face value without considering who would have disguised themselves as her and just immediately delete Callisto from existence or something.

@@Canadamus_Prime Amogus

Technically it's not consent since she didn't know it was Zeus

That's awesome

That sounds sick af, wish I could see it

thats amazing!! i didnt get one with the moon but i did get a photo of jupiter and venus together. theyre both so bright together, its marvelous

Shut up Teddie

you could say that joke BEARly made me laugh (get it?)

@@oknow4407 I can BEARly contain my excitement at a new myths video!

I can't *Bear* to let this oppurtunity to pass, although starting this pun war should make you *paws*

To be fair, I've lived in places where you can see hundreds of stars at night, and I STILL can't make out constellations. Every star looks exactly like every other star when they're all millions of miles away.

Why is RU-vid commenting on new videos?

who’s running the RU-vid account

Bring back dislikes please

...why are you here?

Here before most of the replies talking about how its youtube

Well except in the tellings where Callisto is killed by Artemis, edit also boooo

Ain't that the truth

It was clearly the first day of the month.

well, my thoughts are just "when will she do classics summarized on the Mahabarata"

That sounds like something Hera would do