Misguided BJJ Student Leaves For A Trash Talking Jiu-Jitsu Gym 

It's always the quiet ones

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Artem the Train Fr!?!?

Haha I had the same thought

... Adam.

A very well balanced approach. Going through this in my neck of the woods right now too. I have trained at other places before it went down and continue to train at other places too. And the head coach knows and is cool with it. But there is a rival gym and they have taken a lot of our students to their side and it has become very partisan. Many of them don't talk to me anymore too. Not cool. I'm a lifter first, bjj second. I will train what I want where I want. But I respect what my head coach is offering too. Sucks that there are games like this, but we all do what we need to and hopefully take the high road when shit starts to fly.

“I only offer this because “ Chael Sonnen

I see you Smashley doing your Uncle Chael impression…”let me offer you this…”…I see you

@@midnightswim34 .... um, NO.

Smashley Scott umm OK

grouchfan stoicism and Buddhism are easily mixed in some ways. You'll find a bunch of both in this community. Welcome!! 🤙🏻

@@joshdeets1584 Stoicism, Buddhism and Taoism are easily mixed, the guy who came up with that religion/philosophy dudeism subscribes to all three. Personally as a classics graduate who got into eastern Philosophies after college I find it helps greatly in life.

Pretty much there the exact quote is "“If that person really knew me and my flaws they’d have said something much, much worse." (classics graduate so i am a bit of a nerd on this stuff).

Epictetus was a badass I'm a practicing stoic myself

@@lewisb85 Cheers, epic :)

In a good gym they are usually too busy and focused on their own journey and progress to talk trash about others. Our classes are...warmup...drills....instruction on techniques...sparring. We may have s little chit chat here and there but the class is focused on doing not talking so much. Instructors keep an ear outs hd if someone starts slagging other schools or talking negative stuff then it's time for some cardio intensive stuff that limits the ability to talk more and get yourself in trouble.

People go to other gyms for all kinds of reasons. I just switched mine because one is much nearer to my home and has classtime schedule that fits in with my off work schedule. I liked the gym I left very much...somethings I didn't understand or didn't like but I certainly got very good training from my previous gym. I felt bad about having to switch but I wasn't able to train as much as I wanted there. I said goodbye and left on good terms and i would never go and start complaining about my old gym to the new gym or my old sensei to students...that would be very rude and weak of me. The jiu jitsu community is quite small and you always run into each other at competitions and such. Unfortunately there are always some lower level students that like negative gossip and they would spread any "dirt" around that is none of their business..,so we must watch what we say and good to keep positive appropriate contact/communication with your past school. You don't want to cross over too much because really you can only have one school at a time I think...kind of like girlfriends :). otherwise you might get into trouble. But that's all you can do..then just train and train and conduct yourself squarely...if someone has hard feelings against you for switching gyms for whatever reason then maybe try to talk to them about it? Explain your reason for leaving? Be honest and professional. Aid someone really takes issue then just cut off and move on..that's their oddness. Reality check is that we go to better ourselves and none of us ever have only one teacher..we all watching youtube to learn a thing or two off of Chewy or Gracies or whoever and life changes demand gym changes sometimes...so be it. Move forward. Leaving a really nasty gym? That can be very tricky situation....so much better to avoid those and be very selective about who you get involved with in he first place. Sometimes the closest nicest outfitted little Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school is not worth setting foot in because they lure you in and capitalize on your enthusiasm to learn BJJ...but maybe they will be out of business in 6 months because the owner is a criminal cokehead that got his black belt when he was younger and doesn't give a shit about you. Such places are not worth it! Better to study badminton or watch youtube than waste your time there. Those you just leave

zachary lee talk is cheap. we joke around a little sometimes while we roll. If it's good chemistry then it's light and playful as we work on getting good. That's fun and also a light competitive way to push each other a bit while we have a little fun. Trying to call our submission ahead of time or giving a partner a little time to work an escape so you can keep the roll going. It's best when it's fun even when you are getting squashed. The only thing that kind of brings it down is when someone shows up really serious and pushes others to match their intensity ...but that's ok too because of you want to get good you need guys like that to push you and challenge a bit. The lighter guys last longer in sparring overall. The guys that come in and roll super intense are on an emotional roller coaster and they burn out and can't sustain training like that for months and months without getting injured or injuring others. The light guys can train indefinitely because to them it is a game and they get more efficient with the techniques where you are best to be loose and float around.

I know! I don't even do BJJ.

you shouldn't..

@@seanknot what?

AARON CORRIGAN dude is the real deal.

Please do! Our gym doors are open.

No..the student is the one who needs to learn humility if he hasn't learned it then don't take him back...that's how you teach. Standards.

@@WoodApe100 Your standards and mine would be different, but that's okay, we love our sport.

Realistically BJJ is absolutely no different from any other sport. There are absolute pieces of shit with BJJ black belts who teach. You can make your little circle about that but the sport itself has it's share of negativity.

Joe schmoe Yes surely it does. Pride is spiritually destructive but very tempting to those who have great power. Mastering jiu jitsu gives great power over others to the black belt. Some are major assholes towards others...I've seen it. Imagine being so confident that you can defeat anyone even much larger than you in a physical confrontation. Some chase this power and work very hard to attain it...once they get it the prideful part of them grows and they have more power over others in that sphere. They go looking for trouble. Some sadists in jiu jitsu that really enjoy having control over others...you are right...like any other sport...but even more personal. I walked away from a club because one of the blackbelts would be very much a showboat on white belts and especially bigger students...he did not care if he injured them and liked to humiliate them with his techniques...not just teaching you a lesson. In fact he would blather on about his accomplishments and had no time for "lesser men". Complete douche. Lost a competition match and became miserable and chewed out his son in public. So yeah I know. That being said...some others were quite decent to students.

Sea Mac Doesn't really help the student overall to accept him back unless he has learned the lesson and can submit to accept instruction. There is a couple ways that can happen. Student comes back and wants to train and instructor could let him but then sub the daylights out of him/her in sparring and see how they react...they either quit or ask what's up...then you tell them..they either quit or apologize. Another scenario is instructor just confronts them at the beginning and tells them it isn't cool and that if they want to come back they must apologize. Make it too easy for them then they don't learn respect. Respect is necessary. Without it then it's not sparring it's something else. Instructors have every right to make sure the students are respectful of the rules and the class. Selfish douchebags can really upset the class and each class there is this component of sparring. Sparring with someone who doesn't respect rules about conduct may be just ignorant so they need to be told...rules like gossiping negative or talking shit about other students or humiliating your partners when you roll need to be adhered to. When they aren't then sparring takes on a real edge and then injuries can happen...so sensei is the one who must be aware and must control that by confronting and enforcing the culture code for his/her gym. If sensei just accepts them without teaching them....when they try to come back it is like no standard.

Glad to see Chewy has encouraged and helped someone with their jiu jitsu journey. Theres gonna be a lot of ups and downs but the best thing you can do is keep moving forward. Jiu jitsu will change your life. Oss

True! Look it up

Look into it!

Heel hooks can easily damage someone's knee and prevent them from being able to work ,playing with your kids at the park and basically enjoying life.White belts tend to be overly enthusiastic in trying techniques and hurting themselves and partners in the process.They don't mean to but it happens,if it's a constant thing with the student others will avoid sparring with you .Due to high rate of injuries,it takes very little movement to hurt someone with leglocks especially heelhooks.Your gym has rules usually to create a environment that makes it possible for students to be safe so they can learn and excel in a sport that teaches you to maim or kill people.Remember jujitsu is a combat for you can't play Juijitsu.Safety before techniques and your bjj will excel.Don't be that guy who is seen as a hothead who hurts his friends and don't follow the rules just to please his ego.If you want to excel in leglocks only practice it with other willing students and under the supervision of a more experienced person at your academy in a controlled tempo and your art will grow with fewer injuries.

It sounds to me like you just didn’t respect them asking you to not do that. Respect doesn’t mean blindly doing as they say, but on the other hand it’s definitely not okay to completely ignore the perspectives and preferences of those you train with. I understand your intentions weren’t bad, but it seems like you could just talk to them to see if you can understand where they’re coming from (it might be more nuanced and well though out than you initially think) or talk to them to see if you can maybe even persuade them. If those submissions are just gonna cause tension and resentment in the gym, imagine how much worse it is for someone to use those submissions AND ignore their coaches in the process. All that said, I think I’m more on the side of your perspective of exploring new things and trying the techniques championed by those who represent the state of the art of this sport. If you need to find another outlet for that specific part of it in order to keep your conduct at your gym respectful to the culture that already exists there, then I think that’s where you should look first. If you aren’t okay with the limits they impose then maybe it’s time to search elsewhere for your training

Oh I was butthurt when it happened! I felt betrayed! But at the same time. I just can't do anything about it.

Monsieur Pickles all im saying is… look into it

@@YmakAname yeah I have, I've seen the curvature of the Earth with my own eyes

PsychoticPurse 6 he’s referring to Eddie bravos famous quote lol

@@MrMan-ke9ph is it true that the mayans smoke penis blood?

@@MrMan-ke9ph yes, I know and I was taking it at face value on purpose

Glad to see another person who incorporates stoicism into their life. Smart man!

Didn't Kama just answer a question about this from you?

Artem the Train true but I want to get as many perspectives as possible. Besides people should be aware of this fact.

I support grappling period.

You can tell more about a person by what they say about others, than by what others say about him

I'm no saint. I rub people the wrong way. And people like to hate. I mean hell look at all the trolls on youtube.

@@Chewjitsu I started watching you about 2 years ago when I finally started training and have been a huge fan ever since. Haters going to hate ha.

Same

Think about it,,, it's more of a business decision. It would be like running a car sales lot and letting people from another lot hang out... eventually they will start snagging your customers.

@Miller Mayhem are they unwilling? or is the teacher unapproachable? even if they are unwilling, it demonstrates a breakdown in communication. it's the teachers responsibility to develop a healthy culture in their dojo. i think it's more about respect than trust. and respect needs to go both ways.

@Miller Mayhem no. i'm responding to the circumstances in the video. trust is a byproduct of respect.

@Miller Mayhem ''what is a bad man, but a good mans job''

Is the saying actually with "Robert" though?