wow... what an excellent video on the PA... Dr Robinson is a real blessing... (and yes, he's "the world's foremost authority on the PA")... these are among my favorite videos on YT... thank you... 😇😍💜👍👍
Makes me chuckle to hear you call NT Wright “by no means a conservative.” I’m a conservative and I think he absolutely is a conservative!…yes well a “liberal conservative,” but certainly still within the conservative camp if we’re looking for large/main groupings
Great discussion, thanks. Though a lay conservative, I had swallowed the Erhmann koolaide on this matter and it’s incredibly refreshing to hear a more complete and reflective consideration of this important topic. On evidence from Polycarp, we should remember that he is attested as a direct disciple of St John the Evangelist. Any evidence from the immediate “School of St John” in the East should be given due weight in assessing this question.
Thank you brothers for the conversation and the evidence presented for originality. I do believe it is original but I'm just not 100% sure that it should necessarily appear where it does. For me, the conversation that follows, where Jesus speaks of being the 'Light of the World' appears to flow more naturally from the conversation amongst the Pharisees in which Jesus' credentials are questioned vis-à-vis Galilee. I may be wrong but, nevertheless, I do believe that the 'Woman caught in adultery' passage is authentic and inspired Scripture.
I'm half way through and all I've heard is that technically Ehrman is correct and anyway it's the consensus position but "we" would like it to be authentic. This is a strange line of argumentation. *Everyone* wants it to be original, including Ehrman.
Telling a half truth with the intention to deceive is lying. Being an atheist means he doesn't believe that these are the literal words of God but rather historical writings and also that there is no evil force at work trying to separate the created from the Creator. Frankly I'm not the least bit phased by any claims made by a lying atheist that is allowing himself to be used by that evil. I am thankful though for those that can rebut these attacks of the devil.
@@sandorski56 No, I said he is lying because he is intentionally deceiving people by carefully crafting a statement that is meant to mislead people. If he were acting in this manner while advertising a product for sale he could be charged with false advertising.
it gets really hard to explain why some early manuscripts don't have the P.A. the easiest explanation is that it was added at a later time. and generally the easiest, most likely explanation is the right one. Occam's razor favors the later addition, rather than the selective deletion.
On RU-vid is an excellent debate "Ehrman vs Wallace - Can We Trust the Text of the NT?" Ehrman writes books today and is no longer part of any textual critics today
Are the gospels legend? Another point is that on that view you would have to regard the accounts of the Man as being legends. Now, as a literary historian, I am perfectly convinced that whatever else the Gospels are they are not legends. I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing. They are not artistic enough to be legends. From an imaginative point of view they are clumsy, they don’t work up to things properly. Most of the life of Jesus is totally unknown to us, as is the life of anyone else who lived at that time, and no people building up a legend would allow that to be so. Apart from bits of the Platonic dialogues, there are no conversations that I know of in ancient literature like the Fourth Gospel. There is nothing, even in modern literature, until about a hundred years ago when the realistic novel came into existence. In the story of the woman taken in adultery we are told Christ bent down and scribbled in the dust with His finger. Nothing comes of this. No one has ever based any doctrine on it. And the art of inventing little irrelevant details to make an imaginary scene more convincing is a purely modern art. Surely the only explanation of this passage is that the thing really happened? The author put it in simply because he had seen it. C.S. Lewis, "What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ?" (1950)
Demonstrate your god exists. Provide contemporary evidence that jesus existed. Show that Nazereth existed as a city at that time, in fact provide proof that the new testament is not just re writing earlyer myths
Even agnostic historians like Dr. Ehrman would affirm the fact that Jesus existed. It’s a very fringe view indeed that would deny that he even existed. I hope to do a video soon where I lay out a case for why I believe Christianity to be true. Thanks for popping in and I’ll hope you will stay tuned.
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews “Give not a holy thing to dogs: and cast not your pearls before swine; lest they tread them under their feet, and turn and lacerate you.” (Matthew 7:6)
The universe had a beginning, and it had to be God. Jesus' existence wasn't debated until 2000 years after he lived, where were the least capable of knowing Nazareth, if I'm not mistaken, was excavated and proven to be from his time. No one in history close to Jesus, as I know, argued Nazareth never existed. The New Testament, as far as culture, politics, geographically, are extremely reliable, as well as Paul and his writings, so they cannot simply be dismissed because of their spiritual portions as being false, andnno other myth is comparable to Jesus. And even if it were, that proves nothing about its relationship with reality. You ask or reasons to trust. I ask for reasons to doubt.
@@That_one_introvert. do you know what Jesus meant by "dogs" and "swines"? of course he was not referring to four-legged domestic animals, and I don't think it's acceptable for God to compare human beings to dogs (those who ate trash and other dead animals) or pigs (a kind of animal that was impure and Jews were forbidden to eat it).
