Missing Historical Context of Ukraine Invasion - Chris Hedges and Richard Wolff

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Journalist Chris Hedges remembers covering the fall of the Soviet Union and events leading to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, while commenting on the difficulty of reporting on historical context in today's polarized mainstream media environment.
"Refitting Soviet bloc countries with NATO military equipment was a multi-billion dollar bonanza... But try and provide that kind of historical context within the mainstream media and of course you're shut out because it is, you're right, it's all emotionally driven, it's about self-adulation... I just want to be clear, I condemned at the inception the invasion of Ukraine." - Chris Hedges
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@melosova-suav8930 2 года назад

Our Free Press is free to report what they’re told to report.

@susankay497 2 года назад

This "good vs. evil" from the mainstream media. Disgraceful. Thanks for bringing on Chris Hedges ❤

@jarichards99utube 2 года назад

YES..!! To All Of That... "War is a racket...." - Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 года назад

also read "Wall Street and the Russian Revolution" by PRofessor Richard Spence

@HarrySmith-hr2iv 2 года назад

jarichards.......War is a Racket are the best viewpoint given by any Major General the USA has ever had

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 года назад

@@HarrySmith-hr2iv It's a lot easier to just say that Western "development" is based on military empire - ever since Plato. So whether it's Mao or Russia or NATO or the US it's all evil.

@jarichards99utube 2 года назад

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 It looks interesting. I just ordered a copy. Thanks.

@jarichards99utube 2 года назад

@@HarrySmith-hr2iv Yes.. And Check out the history of how Butler helped foil a plot to overthrow the presidency of FDR... I Kid You NOT... "There is more to history than meets the eye..."

@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e 2 года назад

I just responded to the longer version of this video and was about to tweet that out with the timestamp that included this part when I saw the notification for this. Talk about perfect timing.

@Nobody-Nowhere 2 года назад

In Finland, in our basically only newspaper, it was literally referred to as a fight between good and evil. It was insane.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 года назад

Are you saying you don't want Finland to join NATO because the BBC says Finland is going to join NATO now

@HarrySmith-hr2iv 2 года назад

@nobody nowhere: Brilliant comment! Same in UK....the MSM is obsessed with telling us all Russians are evil but all sock puppets of the USA Empire (including the UK) are the embodiment of goodness, decency and peacefulness.

@benangel3268 2 года назад

NATO was created with the ultimate goal of destroying the Soviet Union. Life was a lot better in most of the countries in the USSR than after USA and the succeeded in winning the cold war. The ultimate goal of Communism was forced to be abandoned 30 years ago. Yet America and the West are still hell bent on destroying Russia

@cecaloather8701 2 года назад

Indeed. And you may be joining NATO. NATO is an aggressive not a defensive alliance in practice. By joining NATO, you are putting US troops and equipment within your borders and risk turning your country into a battlefield. That was the route the Ukraine took and it is a shame that Helsinki wants to go down that same route. NATO serves Washington so that they can fight the Russians from Europe instead of from Washington. It will be Europe that suffers. Like to point out that the Ukraine fired a projectile into NATO territory that wasn't intercepted and it hit Croatia. So much for defence.

@MrBreeze66 2 года назад

It’s insane to not acknowledge that it’s that simple.

@tostao7049 2 года назад

Thanks for the historical context

@luckydubeinrc5165 2 года назад

very true, at last somebody that knows his history and facts!

@Zerpentsa6598 2 года назад

US: We have the Monroe Doctrine. No one else can have a similar one.

@marlbankian 2 года назад

Truth of the matters

@markhogan77 2 года назад

Always feels like a clear perspective .. Thanks for sharing

@waynecoe1 Год назад

Great Chris, you're sound bites are brilliant, concise, articulate, accurate and moving.

@sandicirak6223 Год назад

What is obvious from Chris's answer is that he was in Eastern Europe last time in 1989 and I can conclude that he does not have any good knowledge about the situation in Ukraine or Russia at the present time. Without that knowledge, all discussions are just superficial and could by just totally wrong. That means he does not have good knowledge to find out what are main reasons why Putin decided to attack Ukraine. He was a good reporter previously and he should not involve himself in discussions about the subject with an obvious lack of knowledge. He knows a lot about the US but almost nothing of present Putin's Russia (this my opinion is based on the fact that he never mentioned that in his analyses). Here are some reasons for Putin's aggression from someone with very good knowledge about present Ukraine and Russia Volodymyr Ishchenko. He has argued that there are multiple motives and reasons for Putin's decision to attack Ukraine. Some of the key factors that he has identified include: Strategic Interests: Putin may have seen Ukraine as a critical buffer zone between Russia and NATO, and therefore sought to maintain Russian influence in the region by supporting pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. Nationalism: Putin has cultivated a nationalist narrative in Russia that portrays Ukraine as an integral part of Russian history and culture. This narrative has been used to justify Russia's annexation of Crimea and military intervention in eastern Ukraine. Domestic Politics: Putin may have used the conflict in Ukraine to rally support among the Russian population and strengthen his hold on power. The conflict has been used to distract from economic problems and other domestic issues in Russia. Geopolitics: Russia's actions in Ukraine can also be seen as part of a broader geopolitical strategy to challenge Western dominance and assert Russia's role as a global power. Energy Security: Ukraine is a key transit country for Russian gas exports to Europe, and Russia may have sought to maintain control over the transit routes by destabilizing the country. How much of this was mentioned By Chris?

@jason8077 2 года назад

If you put the same justification logic of NATO invasion into Serbia to the Ukrainian war, it is not even illegal according to the international law so to speak. It was the Americans who first broke their own laws and balance in power so yeah there's no one left to be blamed but for themselves

@cheri238 2 года назад

Yes, Thank you, thank you again!!! Keep up with this great reporting!!

@qake2021 2 года назад

😱the truth hurts😬🙏🙏🙏✌🏻🤞✌🏻

@ptcomp1196 2 года назад

You can't argue against his facts...

@abstractalien12345 2 года назад

I mean, anyone actually opposed to russian fascism could. With ease. But you do you

@GalacticNovaOverlord 2 года назад

@@abstractalien12345 Like what?

@abstractalien12345 2 года назад

It's been a bit since I've seen the video now, but none of the russian talking points hold any water. I know chris hedges has said "russia was provoked", which is obviously incorrect and victim blaming.

@dulynoted2427 2 года назад

Look up Patrick Lancaster. He's reporting on the ground in Mariupol.

@timatkinson9681 2 года назад

suppost Chris Hedges and Rick wolff

@HarrySmith-hr2iv 2 года назад

Also support George Galloway.

@siamcharm7904 2 года назад

majority of thoseweapons are moving to black market. will soon show up on US southern border.

@chriswestwood3289 2 года назад

That is the good point

@CapriceWalker 2 года назад

#WhereIsGonzaloLira

@markstocker5121 2 года назад

Still doesn't excuse the invasion Hedges.

@SemNotSam 2 года назад

Yeah, remember he worked for RT not so long ago. This behaviour was to be expected. Makes me think that he's more anti-americanism than anti-imperialist, which isn't an ideology

@hairlessape5107 2 года назад

If you had watched the whole video and paid attention you would have heard Chris himself say that the invasion is not justified. For the US to have anything to say about it is hypocritical to say the least. It seems irrational to comment on a video without both watching it and giving it some thought.

@navkanavka7085 Год назад

No one excuses the invasion here. Just a bit of an explanation of the origin of this conflict, part of the explanation of course, because there's much more to it that you should learn as I can see.

@bro-kush 2 года назад

So..., whether they were baited or not is irrelevant??? Universally speaking (i.e., by laws of nature) that's the only thing that is relevant. I don't know if it's still in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (I've been discharged for more than 30 years now), but it used to be provoking violence or confrontation was a punishable offense. You can't "bait" someone into a conflict and then accuse them of being equally wrong for responding - it doesn't work that way. And this form of thinking - this Zero Sum way of looking at things, is why our society is doomed. The aggressor, be he passive or direct, is at fault of any ensuing conflict. PERIOD!

@jrt4585 2 года назад

I agree totally. It seems OK if school yard bullies pick on another to the point of that child lashing out physically. Then the aggressor (the picked upon) is at fault?

@tomjerry9236 2 года назад

As astute and on point as always Chris ,and intelligent to always back up that your not in support of Putin who knows what enemy will try to use any talking point to attack chris

@zuulroom 2 года назад

He was happy to work for Putin mouthpiece Russia today. How much he agrees with Putin is unclear but what is clear is that RT’s toxic messaging and propsensity to push Putin’s propaganda never bothered him enough to leave his well paid position at RT.

@sandicirak6223 Год назад

@beylethdirons2160 2 года назад

M.I.C. Military Industrial Complex destabilizes things in the search of profit once again.

@dnickaroo3574 Год назад

With Chris Hedges along for the ride - he was in Europe in 1989, and saw it all (as he tells us endlessly). Hopefully Hedges saw NATO bomb Serbia month after month, and observed the US “terrorists” introduced into Bosnia. Did nothing to elucidate the situation in Ukraine.

@sandicirak6223 Год назад

It's strange to me that he didn't learn anything from his stay in Sarajevo, where he directly witnessed the events in Bosnia and Milošević's role in them. For example, he could have recognized the similarities between Milošević and Putin, and how Putin is essentially repeating everything Milošević did in Bosnia, denying Bosnia as a state and Muslims as a people (this is more in reference to Serbian nationalists whose policies he practically implements), and supporting the creation of Republika Srpska (compare that to the Donbas) and then militarily supporting its realization through genocide against Muslims. At first, the Yugoslav People's Army assisted Serbian paramilitary formations in Eastern Bosnia with artillery fire and later financed the army of Republika Srpska. All of its officers were paid by the JNA and regularly contacted Milošević and the JNA's leadership, which was otherwise controlled by Milošević. So, Chris could have learned a lot and seen these similarities, but somehow it went unnoticed by him.

@sandicirak6223 Год назад

It is strange that NATO and the United States allowed Islamic fighters (terrorists”) to enter Bosnia and before that they imposed an embargo on arming Bosnia and Herzegovina and thus prevented it from effectively defending itself against Serbian aggression or rebellion because the Bosnian Serb military forces had full armament from the JNA in Bosnia and were still aided later by arming from Serbia, on which the embargo had no influence.

@minamur 2 года назад

who are you going to trust if not chris hedges?

@emmetharrigan5234 2 года назад

anyone else

@erniegutierrez410 2 года назад

Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky,Jimmy Dore, Mitch Jesenrich and Abby Martin these people are legends. True heroes who actually care about life and truth

@qkayaman 2 года назад

Anyone on RT's payroll should be automatically discredited.

@prestonpollock3924 2 года назад

Your observation lost all credibility when you said jimmy dore and Abby Martin

@GalacticNovaOverlord 2 года назад

Jimmy Dore is a Hack

@GalacticNovaOverlord 2 года назад

@@qkayaman seems you can't think for yourself then.

@GalacticNovaOverlord 2 года назад

@@prestonpollock3924 Abby Martin? She's fine. Jimmy Dore is horrendous

@GUILLOTINE_GANG 2 года назад

Love Hedges, but holy moly does he blink alot.

@turanamo 2 года назад

Russia isn't the aggressor here. Just as the US is not an aggressor for aiding the Kurds in Rojava to prevent their genocide by the Turkish armed forces. When aiding the militia in the Donbas region did not stop the 8 years of shelling by the Azov Nationalists and the west did not heed calls for help, Putin took action. And now he will have the entire Donbas region under Russian control. And they will be independent of Ukraine.

@TheHuxleyAgnostic 2 года назад

The vast majority of civilians killed in Donbas, were killed when Russia and its own neo-nazis were taking control of the region, 2014-15. Less than 400, since Minsk II, and only 12 last year. Things were improving every year. Russia's "justification" is pure bullshit.

@emmetharrigan5234 2 года назад

Yes, shelling Kyiv and Lviv to protect Donbass 800 miles away makes you "not the aggressor"

@turanamo 2 года назад

@@emmetharrigan5234 Targeted missiles strikes on Kyiv to liquidate their Tank repair plants. And the obliteration of armament depots in Lviv. To protect Russian armed forces and the DPR region from Tochka U missile attacks. I would say the Russians are playing it by the humanitarian rule book. If it was a war criminal like Geroge Bush, he would have reduced Ukraine to rubble with the 100s of WhiteSwan and Bear strategic bombers.

@zuulroom 2 года назад

@Account NumberEight oh really? Gee, thanks for informing about that little known event. I can see now that shelling Kyiv and Lviv is ok and causing mass deaths is just fine and dandy

@josecipriano3048 2 года назад

@@emmetharrigan5234 was the US the aggressor in Germany in 45? Were the native americans the aggressors when they fought back the colonizers? Or were the Russians just supposed to turn the other cheek and wait for Nato to expand into Moscow?

@Mhh90 2 года назад

I think Islamophobia and Russiaphobia will get along fine.

@JohnPDwyer-gp1vc 2 года назад

I oppose the video/ television aspect of all interviews. What Chris Hedges has to say should be completely available in textual form so that I can employ my hard-won reading skills. The subtle restrictions of video make much of Mr. Hedges' position less available to the public than would a full and complete readable version.

@hairlessape5107 2 года назад

Having a text version as well would be nice. This is good information that should be available, and I would find it difficult to support any objection to it's availability in any honest and unedited form.

@TheHuxleyAgnostic 2 года назад

Chris seemed to have skipped the part where Russia had been taking parts of, or all of, former Soviet states, since 1991, 8 years before any further NATO expansion. Makes it seem random that former Soviet states asked to join.

@SolntsaSvet 2 года назад

"Taking parts of or all of" what, exactly?

@emmetharrigan5234 2 года назад

@@SolntsaSvet Russia currently has border disputes with Estonia, Georgia, China, Japan, Uzbekistan (even though they don't even share a border, just a body of water), Kazakhstan, and Ukraine, having taken land from Ukraine, Georgia, Latvia, China, and Kazakhstan

@TheHuxleyAgnostic 2 года назад

@@SolntsaSvet Georgia 91-93, Chechnya I 94-96 ... NATO expansion started in 99, same year Chechnya II 99-2009. Ukraine I 2014-21. Georgia II 2018. Ukraine II 2022. They've been working on expanding into former Soviet states the entire time.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 года назад

@@TheHuxleyAgnostic "The Singing Revolution" documentary details why Latvia, Estonia, etc. definitely do not want to risk being invaded by Russia.

@HarrySmith-hr2iv 2 года назад

@@emmetharrigan5234 Since 1945 the USA Empire has invaded 70+ countries to steal their resources. USA = world gangster.

@pjhgerlach 2 года назад

Can someone please explain to these guys what the difference is between expansion and growth. These former Soviet satellite states did not want to have a second Russian occupation so the chose to join NATO. If Russia felt threatened by this, it should have asked itself the question why they all joined NATO. We did not led Ukraine join NATO and only gave them a vague promise that one day they might. Just to keep the peace with Russia. Now Ukraine is paying the price as Russia is trying to destoy it s population. I can't blame Finland and Sweden considering joining NATO.

@garrettreynolds9145 2 года назад

This guy is a mouthpiece for Stalin mark2 and an apologist for attempted genocide.He believes Putin was baited by NATO.What a way to fuck up a so called legacy!!!!!

@tedtoews9889 2 года назад

We did not led Ukraine join NATO 😂

@daabirmomin235 2 года назад

Except Russia is actually trying to negotiate with Ukraine and the West is constantly turning it down, so the west is actually destroying Ukraine as fodder for Russia.

@hairlessape5107 2 года назад

Somebody who thinks this way should ask themselves why the US got so upset over the Cuban missile crisis, and if having the enemy spend years arming and training a force of over a hundred thousand in a country that is connected by a long land border and which is the biggest trading partner is not worse than a few missiles on an island which were after all only a reaction to US missiles in Turkey. In case you do not know, the US imposed a naval blockade on Cuba and this is an act of war. The US has made many assassination attempts on Castro, what would the US do to a country that sponsored so many attempts on POTUS? It is a relief to see that finally somebody is once again strong enough to stand up to the US and NATO.

@pjhgerlach 2 года назад

@@hairlessape5107 Here we go again. The US is the big bully and Russia is only defending itself from the NATO agression. 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.' If Russia was such a great country, why didn't the former Soviet states stay in the alliance?

@redsock4843 2 года назад

It is now really well known that Russia has been massively complaining about the NATO eastward expansion and one can hardly assert that this would be concealed by the mainstream media, at least not in Germany. However, the question arises as to whether this development has actually been promoted massively from the West to the assumption that the US has carried out a regime change in Ukraine. Or, instead the constant and sustainable urge of the Baltic States and the former satellite states of the Soviet Union was the real cause that these were then included in NATO ultimately. Probably the truth is hidden in the past somewhere between these two narratives. In any case one can assume that this development has been seen very critically by many in the West. Of course, it was obvious that this would be understood by Russia as a provocation and could draw significant difficulties. However, if you follow the sick and bizarre versions of Putin's ultra-rightwing In-House Philosopher Aleksandr Dukin, then it is clear that NATO east extension is nothing more than an advanced justification. Even without the expansion of NATO, Putin had tried to enforce with maximum violence and brutality its completely crazy imperial great power phantasies to bring the corresponding states back into his Sphere of Control. The only thing Dugin is complaining about is, that Putin has been waiting for too long and thus did not meet the expectations set in him. The US is certainly not the representative of the good. However, the pathological insidiousness, unscrupulousness and perversity of the Russian administration is currently hard to beat. Michael Millerman: Who is Alexander Dugin? Aleksandr Dugin: The far-right theorist behind Putin's plan Aleksandr Dugin: 'We have our special Russian truth' - BBC Newsnight Review: Last War of the World-Island by Alexander Dugin

@BB-cf9gx 2 года назад

A reasonable perspective.

@redsock4843 2 года назад

@whatsap+⓵⓶⓵⓷⓹⓹⓻⓹⓶⓵⓼ With his insane attack, Putin destroyed all hopes of left-liberal, pacifist-oriented sections of the population in Western societies for rational interaction between states or great powers, which is committed to the values of the Enlightenment and humanism, and almost exposed them to ridicule. Strictly speaking, all of humanity will be thrown back by at least a century in its cultural evolution. As you can see, some, including myself, find it difficult to accept this and swallow this bitter pill with all its consequences. But one has to state very clearly that one must always reckon with the fact that nation states and even more so empires and hegemons are still, strictly speaking, in their deepest core and nature with regard to their psychosocial development at the level of a psychopathological predatory extortionist. And if this archaic trait breaks out, then there is simply no choice but to treat such impulse-driven entities with all severity and consistency if you want to protect and defend yourself and others. Peace-building communication to achieve a ceasefire would certainly be the higher cultural technique here, but one can confidently assume that the delinquent has no connection at all in this regard and, bitter as it is, only the use of brute force will bring about a desirable change in behavior.

@tedtoews9889 2 года назад

The US is certainly not the representative of the good. However, the pathological insidiousness, unscrupulousness and perversity of the US administration is currently hard to beat.

@redsock4843 2 года назад

@@tedtoews9889 Noam Chomsky: "The biggest known acts of terrorism come from Washington." I would not have disagreed with this opinion until a few weeks ago, but it seems that the USA has now met its master in this respect. I've always felt a certain satisfaction that Russia has bounced back from its crash in the 1990s and that China has achieved the colossal feat of soaring from a third world country to the world's second largest economy in just three decades and to defy the USA economically and politically. However, since the Russian attack, I feel like I've admired the picture of two pretty young girls for years and only recently realized with horror that it's a picture puzzle and the ugly witches have escaped my eyes the whole time. With the new glasses, I see two ultra-authoritarian, inhumane social systems that continue to expand their power internally and externally with open coercion and brutal physical and psychological violence, both economically dominated by an extremely perverted variant of capitalism and politically with fascist traits, in the case of Russia in the form of a completely anachronistic neo-tsarism, represented in China's case by a Kafkaesque tyrannical technocracy. Of course, I felt that before, but I always hoped that this was only a passing phase of evolving societies. At least this childish dream has the Russian Dr. Strangely successful and permanently destroyed. In this respect, I now regard Germany's role as a compliant vassal of the United States as by far the lesser evil. One can only hope that Europe will finally manage to get the curve around and become a little more independent in this respect, at least militarily, because if the orange idiot or even a more extreme specimen is to be elected president again in the near future, then we really would all be fucked. So not only the Europeans and Americans, but the whole West and its allies, the rest of the earth's population is already glowing in the anal area in continuous operation. www.opvis.de/vexierbilder-und-kippbilder/hubsche-frau-oder-bose-hexe.html www.optischefenomenen.nl/blog/optische-illusies-zorgen-al-eeuwenlang-voor-inspiratie-3

@z0e898 2 года назад

tons of weapons sent to Ukraine?? it's almost like there's some sort of war going on there

@noheroespublishing1907 2 года назад

Chris Hedges "The dissolution of the Soviet Union was a good thing." Also Chris Hedges - "Things have gotten noticable shittier in the former Soviet block, left expectancy has dropped and stayed lower, healthy calorie intake is lower, addiction is through the roof, place is plagued by wars and civil wars; some fucked up shit." 🙄🤔🙄😒

@prahjex2501 2 года назад

These things aren’t necessarily contradictory. What is your point?

@skbanda4573 2 года назад

I don't understand how NATO has ever posed a genuine threat to a nuclear Russia. To smaller countries without nuclear capabilities, of course. Otherwise, no. Regardless of how we want to paint NATO's actions, the unspoken part of this "Russia was provoked" argument is the fact that Russia always had the desire to do just this, and has done so very recently. If anything, a large proportion of the Ukrainian people were provoked to want to join NATO and were rejected. I think too many westerners have a hard time recognizing that while the US is objectively the most destructive force in the world, that doesn't mean EVERY country is going to feel the same way. Russia is obviously going to be more of a threat to Ukrainians given their track record against the Ukrainians.

@turanamo 2 года назад

lol! Typical western monkey-see-monkey do narrative. NATO expansion was just one aspect of the many transgressions from the Russian perspective. The key though is the relentless shelling of ethnic Russians killing women and children in the Donbas region for 8 years in a row. All Russian calls for intervention fell on deaf ears, and Russia took action. And now you will have an independent Donbas that is safe from Ukraine Nationalist attack. Once that goal is achieved Russia will withdraw its troops.

@kathartzell4856 2 года назад

I absolutely agree. In addition to that Ukraine had nuclear weapon. They did the right thing and gave it away. They were promised safety of their territory by the West and Russia. For some reason some on the left don't remember that and keep repeating Putin's talking points about NATO expansion. Countries wanted to join NATO - nobody was pushing it on them, they wanted it because they were afraid of Russia and had good reason to it.

@p-acormier5215 2 года назад

"Russia always had the desire to do just this" ah yes, the good old "russia bad" arguments, taken out of thin air.

@skbanda4573 2 года назад

@@p-acormier5215 not thin air. Out of history and current events

@romanyarkov8426 2 года назад

I'm so tired of listening to this After the collapse of the USSR, Russia was promised that NATO would not expand to the east. Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic States and so on were not in NATO yesterday, today they are in NATO and will be used by NATO in the war with Russia as a proxy force. No one will count how many Poles, Ukrainians will die in the event of a nuclear war with Russia. The main thing is the deployment of troops and air defense systems. Secondly, there are the separatist republics of Donbass in respect of which agreements were concluded with Ukraine. Ukraine, despite the president of the Jew, openly supports the Nazis and the violation of the rights of minorities (not only Russians), for example, Hungary and Ukraine have bad relations precisely for this reason. Israel is also unhappy with the marches of the Nazis. Ukraine was not going to and openly said that it would not comply with the Minsk agreements approved by the UN Security Council. Sanctions were constantly imposed on Russia, for what Russia should not do under the Minsk agreements. There are no direct instructions to Russia to do anything at all. There is a constitutional reform, the rights of the Russian minority, autonomy, and so on. This whole situation with Ukraine since 2014 is a provocation by the West against Russia in order to use Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia. No one needs Ukrainian goods either in the US or in Europe, well, except for wheat. You know, for example, that Ukraine produced cars that were bought in Russia. Who in the USA or in Europe needs a copy of Daewoo Lanos produced in Ukraine? What about marine engines? Maybe cheese?

@AudioPervert1 2 года назад

Read some books for a change : for example The Gulag Archipiélago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

@HABACHI617 2 года назад

Ah yes the “Putin didn’t want to invade Ukraine but NATO made him do it” argument

@penguinuprighter6231 2 года назад

Oh look..the RT guy

@mikebowman9844 2 года назад

NATO is not to blame. Russian imperialism is. NATO indefinitely procrastinated letting Ukraine into NATO to appease Putin. We’re seeing now how that worked out. Russia, especially the Putin regime, and anybody who gives them excuses for what they’re doing to Ukraine is on the wrong side of history. Currently there are independent Belarusian and Georgian soldiers in Ukraine fighting against Russian troops who are attacking Ukraine. People in the region are fed up with Putin’s bullying (and that includes many Russians too).

@josecipriano3048 2 года назад

.There has been war in Ukraine for 8 years now, while the "good" guys have been burning ethnically-ussian Ukrainians alive. It's easy to ignore war when your guys are doing it, but when someone fights back you get outraged. Russian imperialism? Did the Russians take over Georgia when they invaded, or did they make sure they won't be entering Nato, same as Ukraine? You talk about Nato with the same knowledge as a little boy who says is daddy is the strongest man in the worls.

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@democracyjohn6715 2 года назад

I’m almost ashamed at how much money I donated to EU, DSA, Progressive Politicians and Democracy Now. If they haven’t been some of the best proponents carrying the torch for Honest Socialism, I would be ashamed. Unfortunately, their anger towards American Capitalism, and apparent nostalgia for the Soviets, is such that they are unwilling to recognize that Putin has been a major driver of Oligarchy and supporter of Capitalism’s fight against Democratic Socialism worldwide. Since the wall came down, the Russians have done nothing to earn the demise of NATO and when I hear leftists talk like WE are somehow to blame for Putin killing innocent Ukrainians, all I see is them giving fuel to the Republican Fascism here that is to blame for Iraq and our war crimes these past many decades. We, the American Socialists, have never had a country to protect. We’ve been struggling against Capitalism as bands of brothers worldwide. This pandemic, these wars, inflation, climate change, these are all opportunities for us to finally prove that Democratic Socialism is the best way forward for a compassionate future. Why are our leaders on the left wasting time arguing over which side is worse in Ukraine, and why aren’t we acknowledging that at least the western nations can harness democracy to change the behavior of our governments to help the Ukrainians get true democracy, while Putin gives the Russians no choice but his own, and threatens nuclear winter if we don’t allow him to steal the freedom of even more global citizens? This is why I left the DSA. We need a new generation of Socialists to deal with reality today, not keep fighting the battles of the past.

@drakekoefoed1642 2 года назад

usa is against democracy and self determination. dsa has become a shill for the democrats. usa can only be changed by communist revolution, which is coming.

@democracyjohn6715 2 года назад

I cannot agree with you my friend. Communism has so many interpretations that it is as meaningless as Libertarianism now, and no so-called Communist nation to date has ever been a democracy; therefore, such a revolution by the American working class is 99% likely to end with a Fascist Oligarchy, like Russia under Putin, much worse than the USA of today. Also, the DSA hasn’t sold out, their own convoluted ideology interferes with any effort the membership tries to make towards real political change. A result of decades of being sidelined by the intoxicating lies of Capitalism, and a purely academic minded leadership. Democratic Socialism is the way to go and it doesn’t need a revolution because the ideals of democracy are baked into the apple pie 🥧 and we have a history to look back on when Democratic Socialism in the 1930s made America stronger than it ever was or has been since. And Capitalism is killing itself as the lies have finally become unavoidable. As this younger generation takes power soon, we must dominate at the ballot box 🗳 and prevent the Republicans from stealing those elections. Outside of that, we use our buying power to force corporate reform and switch the dominant business model to worker owned Coops. In these ways, we get the result of a revolution, just without a ton of bloodshed and we strengthen our democracy instead of risking losing it. Peace ☮️

@mikebowman9844 2 года назад

Historical context? There is an even broader historical context than is presented in this video. By staying together, NATO was acting with knowledge of Russia’s long term tendency to subjugate neighboring peoples, first under the Czarists regimes then under the USSR. I watched the USSR dissolve and felt certain it was only temporary, certain that Russia would act like Russia has a historical pattern of acting. Look up Princeton historian Stephen Kotkin’s summary of the situation. See what Russian dissident Garry Kasparov has to say.

@josecipriano3048 2 года назад

That's laughable. Russia still hasn't recovered from 91, demographically hasn't recovered from 45, has Nato bases surrounding it all and has seen Nato getting closer and closer for 30 years while protesting and being ignored, before they started fighting back after Nato decided Georgia and Ukraine would be the next stepping stones. If I say you're going to attack me and then proceed to provocate such sttack for 30 years, when it happens isn't that a sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Plus you're assuming Nato cares the fates of other peoples which is the most ridiculous part.

@Zarastro54 2 года назад

Finally someone with some sense. Every brutal Russian invasion of a neighbor further justified NATO’s continued existence. Heck, most of the Eastern Block countries only joined AFTER they started slaughtering Chechens. Too bad your comment won’t get the recognition it deserves, since most of the audience here seems to be under the illusion that anyone opposing American imperialism, even if it’s also arguably more brutal imperialism, is naturally justified.

@navkanavka7085 Год назад

@@Zarastro54 "slaughtering" Chechens? Omg, do you at all know why Chechnya wanted to separate and how they did it? They wanted a lil sandbox of their own with live people inside who would obey shariah law no matter who they were, what nation or religion. And this "Shariah law" was of the ugliest nature: the gangs killed locals and fought with each other for power, they stoned women to death and cut heads off with knives and made people living nearby watch it. The military came to stop these barbarians and restore order and so there was a bloody and ugly war. But just don't think for a second that "decent and honest" chechens only wanted "freedom and independence". Maybe some did, but the whole thing was nothing close to "independence and democracy"

@qkayaman 2 года назад

Notice how he refers to the invasion as a "pre-emptive war". So, not much of a condemnation, but a justification. Not surprising from somebody in RT's pocket.

@GalacticNovaOverlord 2 года назад

When did he justify it? Lol Do you know how simple geopolitics works?

@gregbrothers5431 2 года назад

"Whether Russia was baited or not is not relevant". 3 minutes of blabbering and moral outrage to finally get to that point.

@gregbrothers5431 2 года назад

@FriedIcecreamIsAReality Actually, I largely agree with his other points. I just dont think they are relavent compared to the violence and destruction that is being commited, and neither does Hedges or otherwise he wouldnt have ended with that as his concluding sentence. Nor does Putin...he wouldnt be threatening protestors with 15 year sentences or blocking Facebook. I shot my wive in the face because she broke our marraige vows, whether true or not, doesnt hold up in court nor does it here.

@NTraveller 2 года назад

Well, the high moral ground is currently used to advertise sanctions, arms supply, encouraging Zelensky that he'll 'win' (whatever it means) and cornerring Putin with Hague tribunal - none of which is stopping the bloodshed. So it turns out the whole thing was a calculated provocation and nobody actually cares about lives of Ukrainian people and putting end to war

@gregbrothers5431 2 года назад

@@NTraveller I agree. This is largely where the propaganda is coming on the west: That Ukraine is 'winning' the war as 80% of their port cities are bombed and shelled into oblivion while we do token jack shit to help Ukraine. Wait til the next right-wing-nut-job inspired military adventure comes along like Vietnam or Iraq…we’ll be pumping out the propaganda for our next military adventure just like Russia is doing now. But it is Russia doing it now, and we dont need to be making excuses for them. I dont think this ends in Ukraine, I think there is a possibility that WWIII has already started, and early inaction made WWII that much worse and expnentially more devastating.

@NTraveller 2 года назад

@@gregbrothers5431, this war will end if 1) the Ukraine surrenders or gets ran over by Russia and surrenders, 2) NATO military interferes and moves Russian forces from the Ukrainian territory rather than hiding behind the backs of the Ukrainians, 3) negotiations lead to a compromise encompassing a Ukraine that is not a member of NATO as a minimum requirement and no armed hostilities against Ukrainian Russian-speaking population. By 'making no excuses', 'saving the national pride', 'winning at all costs' and 'fighting to the last Ukrainian' polititians are prolonging this war and are multiplying casualities

@gregbrothers5431 2 года назад

@@NTraveller I agree those are the three options available. Unfortunately, I dont see an end in sight to this war. I hope I am wrong, but I beleive it will last 1-3 years with devasting casualties. Noam Chomsky believes that negotiated settlement is the necessary thing. But I dont see NATO-expansion as anything but a pretense (similar to 'we know where WMD's are that Saddam has', 'the war will last 6 months and the will treat us as liberators and oil reserves will pay for it!') So I dont think that is going to satisfy Russia. I also dont see it stopping at Ukraine. Maybe years afterwards, but I see Belarus, Roamnia, Hungary, and Poland as on the table. Again, I hope I am wrong. But this would not surprise me. I think option 2 is the best bet, nobody has the appetite for it though.

@BB-cf9gx 2 года назад

Trying to position Russia as the innocently aggrieved victim is disingenuous in the Extreme.

@jamesbrennenman8671 2 года назад

He isn't...at all. But the West is the agreesor

@HarrySmith-hr2iv 2 года назад

You should reword your comment to read 'Trying to position USA as the innocent aggrieved victim is disingenuous in the extreme.' Now do you get it?

@kmmiller8704 2 года назад

Trying to Excuse US/EU behaviour is disingenuous in the Extreme . Hypocrite !

@emmetharrigan5234 2 года назад

@@HarrySmith-hr2iv saying that russia is not the victim does not position the us as the victim, nor does this comment. Imperialism is bad, as a general rule. Therefore I oppose both US imperialism through nato expansion as well as russian imperialism through the invasion of ukraine

@BB-cf9gx 2 года назад

@@HarrySmith-hr2iv Let me get this straight. Russia invades the Ukraine and tge US is to blame. Sounds like blame the rape on the victim because the Rapist doesn't like reasonable behavior. Putins a butcher. Not quite as bad as Stalin and Lavrenti Berea but give him time.

@abstractalien12345 2 года назад

I hope Putin's checks are worth it to Chris. I'm embarassed to share a faith with such a willing spokesperson for fascism

@turanamo 2 года назад

It is you that is supporting a regime that has Naz!s in it. It is you who is aiding Neo Naz!s who shell and kill Ukrainians in the Donbas region for 8 years. You are the fascist here. Take a look in the mirror once in a while.

@abstractalien12345 2 года назад

@@turanamo democracy with a fringe rightwing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fascist russia

@jamesbrennenman8671 2 года назад

As opposed to American fascism?

@abstractalien12345 2 года назад

@@jamesbrennenman8671 "what about the US! What about the US!" Yeah, more than one country can be bad

@SetTrippin82 2 года назад

Historical context is fascist? Strange.

@50043211 2 года назад

I love you both but this is utter BS! Iam not denying that this all happend, it did, but and this is a huge but how does this in any shape or form justifiy the unprovoked attack of Putin on a souvereign neighbouring country? Because its not Russia, its Putin and his clique who decided to conquer a souvereign country because they thought it will be easy pickings and the Europeans would just ignore this tremendous breach of international treaties and pretend nothing happend and go back happily to the status quo ante! In addition, either the sovereignty of countries is real or it is not! And I know that the two of you would never deny that, so what right does Russia or anyone else have to dictate any other country which treaties and alliances they want to join? Gentleman either the UN Charta is real or it is not, either these treaties are binding or they are not this is not religion where you can pick and choose depending of your mood of the day! And make no mistake gentleman, this has changed everything in Europe! Putin demonstrated that he is unreliable and aggressive and did not hesitate to start a war of conquest in 2022 in Europe. Bemoaning the remilitarisation of Germany is ludicrious! The Germans were more then happy with their small army. They have better things to do then wasting billions every year on arms and equipment but now, what alternative do the Europeans have after Putins unprovoked war? Just let Putin do as he please? Are you serious?