Where I grew up much of the Coptic Church was deep into syncretism. Is that true also of the Egyptian church. From various sermons I have watched one does not get that impression. For cultural and linguistic reasons I am very drawn to the Ethiopian Copts.
I tried the “mixed marriage” approach, having come from a Protestant background. Orthodoxy drew me in, answering questions I had, and over a short period, I decided to become Orthodox. I have never regretted it, and believe I have found the truth
Wow same here from protestant to qobtic orthodox, please share your journey and knowledge to our fellow protestants may they find the real chuch that christ built with his flesh and blood
I mean I’m Syriac orthodox but I don’t think being orthodox is necessarily the only way to salvation. Sure the orthodox churches may have more culture tradition and history than protestants but the protestants are still christians and all that matters, how your relationship with Jesus Christ is will determine salvation.
I really love the part where one of the ladies talks about how you have to get involved with the family. The church starts in the home, and the family who "prays together, stays together", as the saying goes. Without that solid glue within the family and the body of Christ, there can be no unity. Glory to God!
We are happy Christian all united in the Lord, We belong to one family, Jesus Christ has chosen us to carry on His life, over every Land and Sea, from the North from the South from the East and West he has called us together so we should be united in God's own family
+Thomas Bro I dont know how you see Jesus Each person is unique please note this One person sees Jesus he may not find any thing interesting, the second person may feel the Love of Jesus, the third person may feel sorry for Jesus dying on the cross with suffering, the forth person may want to follow Jesus so forth and so on Shalom
My husband is a coptic and I'm a protestant! Yeah, i am facing so much challenges with this marriage but God is the center of our marriage; hence, we put our trust in God because we believe in One God!
Nice to meet you Mei. I'm American and I attended many churches in my youth. Always loved Jesus but never really found the right church until I met my now husband and he immediately took me to church and introduced me to the Priest. We've been married 33 years and have 4 grown children that serve in the church. I'm happy. I put God 1st always and family. I try to lead by example and focus on the positive. I always love my family and respect them and made it very clear from the beginning of my marriage that I am Coptic now and will raise my children the same. The love it when we fast and share holidays together. They celebrate 2 Christmases with us rather than each our own. My sister can't wait for Lent so she can get Kosheri. I wish you well. Just remember who's important, God first then you and your husband. You are one great union.
The Italian guy looks so Egyptian... His wife is lovely.... Have a wonderful life. The Egyptian Mexican couple are really a great combination,, he is a very dedicated father and extremely educated.....beautiful children and the mom us beautiful. Best wishes to all of you. .
John Bauer To say you pray for a 'reunion' is to say that there were two churches in the beginning. This is inaccurate my brother. There was only one Orthodox church. Rome left and created the great schism of 1054. The term 'catholic' translates to 'universal' meaning Christ's salvation is for everyone. It's a universal fit. 'Catholic' is more of an adjective than an actual denomination. Instead, try praying that the Catholics come home to the true church that they fled from in 1054 AD. Pray that the whole catholic world comes back to the Mother Church. We will all be back under one roof like it was in the beginning.
cyclops1092 I thought by saying reunion it would be understood that they were one if I said union then that would maybe mean they were not anyway Pray, God Bless You All !!!
WE ARE CHRISTIAN. WE ARE DISCIPLE OF JESUS CHRIST. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF WE ARE CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, PROTESTANT.... ETC. IF WE ARE IN BELIVE IN JESUS. JESUS IS ONE, FATHER IS ONE, HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE. OUR GOD İS ONE...
Yes it does matter not all Christians bow down to statues and repeat the same prayer like the Catholics to so therefore it does matter so stop your ignorance
@@abcbee1308za Yes, Catholics revere statures and Orthodox do icons. And as for 'repeating the same prayer', do you ever say the 'Our Father'? Maybe not.
Only The Oriental Orthodox Church (Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Ethiopian etc.) has the true Christology. We and the Catholics have nearly the same theology (Theotokos, Trinity), but we differ when we have it about Jesus's Nature. Jesus christ has 1 incarnated Nature, a Divine-Human Nature. The Catholics say instead that Jesus has 2 seperated Natures in 1 Person.
@Rafal Omnom i wouldnt say dramatically different , they are almost identical which is great and is a blessing , dramatically different is all the different wako denominations of the protestant churches were they cant agree on anything and basically have crrated a christianity that suits their lifestyle and ideology .. so please lets support the apppstolic churches even with their slight differences .. at leaat they dont differ from the church that christ built
I was a Baptist. My wife is Catholic. I decided to marry her and became Catholic. We are very Happy together. I accept most Catholic teaching. But hold to Baptist teaching regarding my Salvation by Faith alone in Christ alone. We as Christians will All go to Heaven! Whether Catholic, Baptist, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal or Mormon! All are believers in Jesus Christ! We will see each other in Heaven! I am Sure of that! God Bless Us All! ! !
I agree! I was raised Baptist, but I have converted to Coptic Orthodox. I accept Orthodox salvation: one must do good to go to heaven, and one must worship Mary to go to heaven.
Every person who do the Will of THE FATHER in Heaven is the person who will go to HIS Kingdom! Not the one who says LORD LORD! Read the Word of GOD again !
Cracking up at how similar the family relationships are to my Cuban culture. Very big family oriented, multigenerational households, the whole family goes out all together! My daughter who is also a devout and practicing Catholic, is now dating an Egyptian Copt. She is learning arabic and has met his family in Cairo. If God wills marriage for them, I think the only issues they will have will be that of what regular married couples have. Like my grandmother always said, you marry the family, not just the person. Faith unity is also very important.
Very familiar stuff. I'm married to a lovely coptic woman. I had to be chrismated into te coptic orthodox church to marry but it wasn't a huge step as I already was a protestant christian. I found the liturgical traditions of the coptic orthodox church a huge enrichment to my faith, making it possible for me to discover aspects of the christian life that have fallen into disuse in western churches. As for the multicultural part: dealing with in-laws from a different culture can require patience and a fair bit of diplomacy. But our common belief in Jesus Christ does the most by far to bridge any difference in cultural background!
First I just want to say that I have great respect for the Orthodox, Russian, Greek, Oriental, etc. They are Apostolic Churches; ie, True Churches with Valid Sacraments (Mysteries), and Ministerial Priesthood. If there is no other Church around except an Orthodox or a Protestant, Orthodox win hands down. That being said, Christina did NOT need to get baptized again because her Catholic Baptism is VALID and one needs to be baptized once (Nicene creed: And I believe in one baptism for the remission of sin) That part I have an issue with as Baptism in All of the True Apostolic Churches (Catholic both East and West and the various Orthodox Churches) is VALID. I know the Russians also require Catholics going into their Church to be rebaptized. This is wrong. Orthodox coming into the Catholic Church are not rebaptized as we recognize the baptisms of the Orthodox as valid.
What you have stated is Catholic teaching but it is important to understand that recognition of Catholic sacraments is not universal among the Orthodox. Even among those of us who do not recognise Catholic baptisms, there are different practical approaches taken if a former Catholic wishes to become Orthodox, according to whether akriveia (strictness) or economia (leniency) is applied, which is usually based on various pastoral considerations. I have received a former Catholic by baptism because that is how she asked to be received. Through her prayerful study, she had come to the conclusion that her Catholic baptism was not a true baptism and she wanted a fresh start in her life in Christ. In this way, her journey was very similar to mine, and although the usual practice in my jurisdiction is to receive former Catholics by economia (confession of the Orthodox Faith followed by chrismation), I could not in good conscience deny to somebody what I had been given so generously at my own baptism. "Freely you have received; freely give". However, although I cannot recognise the legitimacy of sacramental rites performed outside the Orthodox Church, I do recognise that Catholics are generally faithful to the externals of baptism and chrismation, and I believe that, by the power of the Holy Spirit, these actions can become grace-filled upon entry into the Church. Therefore, I would have no problem receiving a former Catholic by economia if that was requested, especially if there were pastoral reasons, such as avoiding hurt to the family or because the catechumen still recognised Catholic sacraments. In the latter case, although I would disagree, the fact remains that this is a position that is held in some parts of the Orthodox Church and it would not be my place to put additional and unnecessary hurdles in the person's way. This is the practice we follow: www.orthodoxmanchester.org.uk/converts.htm
There was no indication that anyone in this video converted. The point of the video is what the Coptic church thinks of mixed marriages, period. This is about tolerance & acceptance. It was indicated that it's important that not only did the spouse accept their partner's culture and religion , as Coptic Egyptians are an ethno religious group, but it was important that they were married in the Coptic church.
I find this production problematic for several reasons. With the exception of the first couple interviewed, it appears as though the documentary encourages and even sanctions the presence of a partner who is perhaps born into a certain religious tradition, but could potentially go either way on their religious preferences. Certainly, mission through marriage is blessed, but what form should this kind of mission take, from an Orthodox perspective? Though one of the spouses talks about how stressful it may be to convert when coming from a specific background and the rest of his/her family is also from that background, there is no discussion about the conflict of one's own personal religious beliefs. As that spouse mentions, "you're essentially doing it because you love someone". I was raised in the Coptic church learning that Abouna would not bless a marriage if this was indeed the case. Rather, shouldn't a decision to convert truly rest on a person's own religious convictions? Where is the emphasis placed on genuine belief of the truths of a particular tradition? I don't know the couples or their motivations for getting married, I wish them blessing upon blessing in their new unions, and am in no way suggesting that they didn't have genuine religious motivations for converting. I do commend the producers and committee who worked on this documentary--it is certainly a topic needing address. However, I feel that the documentary lacks in exploring many issues in mixed marriages, and may even suggest incorrect information. It may have been more useful to interview couples who were both deeply religious at the time of their courtship, and the difficult decisions (or maybe even the absence of difficult decisions!) that they faced when discussing their future together as Christians and church--goers. Where is the formerly Catholic spouse who had to do away with the concept of Eucharistic ministers? Or even the Roman-rite, Latin-Mass Catholic who had to reason away with natural family planning/no barrier methods in intimate marital relations? Where is the Protestant who grew up potentially "speaking in tongues"? How about honest discussions on Coptic traditions fasting? And these only account for issues within a Christian framework, let alone other religious traditions. Issues such as these are ones that ought to dominate the narrative of such a production.
Not sure if you will find this and respond after 5 years but I can address a few of your questions. I'm American and have been married to Egyptian for 33 years now. When I met my husband it was instant. I was not raised in any particular church. When I was young I started going to different churches with friends kinda like how Goldilocks tried the 3 bears porridge and beds until she found the right one. I continued going to church, searching the NKJV bible on my own, studying church doctrine in preparation for Baptism. I was never quite ready to be Baptised. I now know why. Every step I took in life was with God. He knew I was hungry for His love and brought me to the day I met my husband. My future husband explained everything about himself, family, church, and life's dreams and expectations. I agreed because I was comfortable. We have 4 beautiful grown children 3 married with 1 grandchild. All serve the church in similar and different ways. We were the first couple to marry in Archangel Michael and we were mixed. We were welcomed and there was a few of us so Abouna had English Liturgies on Saturdays once a month with a mixed couples class after. Life got busy fast after marriage with working and children and moving. I really wish we could have continued those classes with Abouna. Continuing meeting with Abounas and other couples is really important and I recommend and encourage it.
Yea sure thats why we say the Holly Spirit is thicker than blode , and the love of Jesus is like a big magnet attracts different races and cultures , because only in Jesus the deep differences become wonderfull lovely variety complement each other in absolut harmony in Christ body .
As a greek Orthodox living in california its kinda hard to find anyone outside of your church who is any type of Orthodox be coptic, russian, greek or slavic
A great study would examine factors that would influence someone to marry outside their culture. For example, what are some reasons why a Copt would choose to marry a non coptic person. Of course their would be a variety of answers to this question. I think responses have to be confidential as to not influence how they respond.
Don't worry about it! If you recite the Creed you are Catholic Orthodox Christian be you Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox or Protestant. Remember when Christians slander each other non-Christians will call us hypocrites, "You people come to us and talk about mercy, love, forgiveness, transformation, salvation, but you trash talk each other at times, so why should we believe you?"
is their Taiwanese people in the Coptic Orthodox Church? (well I am a Taiwanese convert to the Eastern Orthodox Church, and I belong to the Church of Antioch)
it's a lost tradition. 1 Corinthians 11:7 Women should always cover their heads when they enter church and stay covered until they leave. Mothers should lead by example and teach daughters. Servants should encourage girls of all ages and Deaconesses should help remind each other.
@@dfaheem2348 we in ethippia we do not go into church Hall next day if we get wet dreams but if we take shawer we will only be allowed to enter to the compound of church and during that day we also not be allowed to take holy communion, and if we want to get in to church both men and women need to cover there body's with close and in addition women need to cover there hairs and only allowed to were dress not trousers and also doing makeups is not allowed .
Copts are really an incredible people with such an ancient tradition and we're lucky to have them. Fun fact: Copts contribute more doctors per capita than any other ethnic group in America.
Where are you getting your information? According to the AAMC Whites make up the most. However, if you are categorizing Copts as White, then you are a bit right. Unfortunately, the graph doesn't say what kind of White aka European, North African, etc... www.aamc.org/data-reports/workforce/interactive-data/figure-18-percentage-all-active-physicians-race/ethnicity-2018
what is the attidy of the coptic church when one coptic and greek orthodox christian want to marry? as groups who use the terms orthodox for them selfs we are reaaly simular in many aspects but there are some historical and theological isues which are not solved yet, so as (greec)orthodox am interesed how the coptic church have the practical attitudes towords greecs orthodox(no matter the etnic background)
maligjokica The Coptic Church considers the Greek Orthodox baptism to be a legitimate baptism so Greek Orthodox people are not baptized again in the Coptic church when they marry someone Coptic.
+Pauli650 It's a matter of discretion by the different orthodox and oriental church bodies. It's not that those two particular churches reached an agreement on converts from each other; rather it reflects each other's opinion of the legitimacy of the other's baptism. The issue is whether or not the convert had a legitimate baptism, and this is a matter each jurisdiction decides for itself. For example I'm pretty sure all of them would require a former Mormon to be baptized, while a former Roman Catholic might not be required. All converts would be chrismated though (a ceremony of being anointed with oil).
the Greek Orthodox is Eastern Orthodox... the Coptic Orthodox is oriental Orthodox... so if they get married, the Greek person does not need to be baptized BUT needs to be anointed with oil because they are joining the oriental Orthodox churches (Coptic, Ethiopian, eritrean,Syrian,Armenian, Indian)
Religion is not the same thing as ethnicity, although they can be highly correlated. I would be interested in reports on marriages where one partner was a theist (Coptic Christian for example) and the other atheist.
Good morning in my opinion sometimes it’s good mixed cultures but in the Coptic Christian my husband is Egyptian and Hispanic I was catholic so I was baptized again not big deal it’s all how his or her family accepts the relationship because many Egyptian not allow anyone else beside the Egyptian so for me it hard to be accept at the church.but here I been 15 yrs married .
I must say that I really enjoyed this video. It was done very professionally and was entertaining. A few things that may be nice to touch on in the future is the effects to the mixed children and the church involvement of the non-Egyptian spouse. Also, there's now an entire generation that may be full Egyptian but were born in the US. It would be nice to learn from their prospective as well. My wife is not Egyptian and has had her share of struggles throughout the 25+ years in the church. She's been a trooper throughout it all and I'm very blessed to have her. Unfortunately, not all Copts are as welcoming as they should be. The lines between culture and religion are often blurred within the Coptic community. The moment a cultural issue arises, the welcoming tone quickly disappears. At that point non-Egyptians are only guest or visitors, which draws me to the conclusion that this is primarily an Egyptian church with only a tolerance for non-Egyptians. Hopefully, with fathers like Fr. James and Fr. Tadros Malaty among others, things will change and the church will be more welcoming. All fathers in all churches need to preach tolerance and love in just about every sermon. It's not enough to just tolerate non-Egyptians as guest but to actually embrace them and consider their prospective. May God bless your efforts.
Hi Mike. I'm American Baptised Coptic and married Egyptian 33 years now. I love Jesus and my Coptic church. I never had a real father, now I have a Heavenly Father and a whole Diocese of Fathers. What daughter could ask for anything more. We have 4 grown children who are married and serve several churches. We have friends who are also mixed couples married a long time. My philosophy is and Abouna told me years ago, the church is my home. When my home is dirty I clean it. When my home needs something I buy it. When something's broke I get it fixed. And when someone visits my home I roll out the red carpet and give them the royal treatment. And the old saying "Monkey see, Monkey do". I am the Monkey. I choose to lead by example.
I don't consider a marriage between different sects of Christianity as mixed. Whether we are Copts, Catholics or Protestants, we can intermarry and adapt. We all have Christ in common and that's the most important thing.
....................... I didn't watch above video, but God will send this scripture where he wants it to go ,,,,,,,2 Corinthians 6:14 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"
Actually it is blessed to find coptic church partner... As i am also coptic. but catholic as well we can have mix if they accept all our bible and rules.
I don't get this... Mexican people have the same exact habits they are always together, that pretty young lady is an excepttian. But let me tell the Blond American guy, you are one lucky man... Don't worry about if they talk about you. Just go with the flow. That young lady is awesome, she is very pretty, has a wonderful personality. And most of all she loves you...If your mom wants to come, I am sure your wife would be happy, and she can stay more than just a weekend... Plus the food you are eating is fantastic... Plus your kids are going to be beautiful.. Have a wonderful life.
I’m black and my wife is white and we have mixed kids. I have been wondering if there are any couples like us in the Coptic church? We are currently going to an antiochian church and we are the only mixed ones lol
Hi Leslie, Yes, of course you can attend. Mixed couples are very normal in the Coptic churches in the U.S and around the world. The word "Coptic" just represents the roots of the Coptic Orthodox church but the Orthodox faith is available for everyone.
Frau Thakuri there is always a possibility. But I don’t think it will be easy for his family (Orthodox) to accept. They usually want their children to get married within the religion, but even different denomination (church) could be a problem. Well, I’m an Indonesian Christian from the Protestant church and my boyfriend is an Egyptian Coptic Orthodox. It’s still difficult for his family to accept😣
What about mixed race marriages? For example, African American and any other race yet Coptic? The examples depict mostly cultural and ethnicity but not necessarily race. I have been learning a lot about the Orthodox Church and is topic not addressed.
@@azertyazerty7052 He makes a legitimate point and yet you respond rudely which makes me think you are defensive for some reason. There's nothing about his comment that makes him an afrocentrist. And even if he was it would be a legitimate question.
It can work - as long as the non Egyptian is aware of all the expectations he/she will need to fulfil - outside his normal culture and life..western culture is worlds apart from the Egyptian one so expect some difficulty in the process, if you dont then be prepared for a shock..
i'm rum orthodox, if i marry a coptic female , in order to have a coptic marriage and wedding ceremony, would i have to convert, if so how long does the process take?
We Christians are under threat! I am a St. Thomas Christian from India. We belong to Syro (Syrian) Malabar Church. Christianity came through apostle St. Thomas early itself. Our Bishops used to be from Syria and other middle eastern countries. My prayers for Coptic Christians. Islam is a dominant ideology which destroys everything in its path
Syro Malabar is not Orthodox. Malankra Orthodox is Orthodox and is Oriental Orthodox and is in communion with other Orthodox Church’s, which is why we share seminaries with other churches.St. Thomas came to Kerela and set up 7 church’s, which are Malankra Orthodox.
MGTOW should watch this carefully. Marriage is not a business contract where the first thought is how much money you gonna spend on them. You think Adam was thinking how much of his paycheck he has to cut out when he met Eve? The entire secular approach to marriage is dead on wrong. And yes, people did marry for money before (women and even men), and they did sell off their daughters, but this is not God's ideal in Genesis. This "how much spaghetti dinners is this gonna cost me before she let's me have my way with her" attitude is breaking apart the West. Divorce was the exception, now it's the rule. You heartless fools need to wake up.
Actually according to the census of many countries Egyptian is always put down as white. And that's because most Copts view themselves as such. I know I'm Orthodox.
House of the Virgin Mary Ephesus Turkey (Internet) Virgin Mary is thought to have spent her last years there. She died and her grave is near the House. St.John brought Virgin Mary to Ephesus to avoid persecution by the Jews and Romans. He wrote the books of John and Revelations in 95 a.d. He spent his last days there. He died and was buried next to the Brasilia of St. John.
Before I spend time watching are you speaking of mixed marriages only with the Orthodox or other Coptic communions. What about the RCs or even us Protestant heretics as you see us.
"he was of different religion" OMG Catholicism and Orthodoxy are both part of Christianity... she's talking as if she, a Christian was about to marry a Buddhist or something. It's just a different stream, different tradition of the same religion.. I myself am from a mixed family of Protestants (Lutherans) and Catholics (Roman C.) and I attend both churches despite of being baptized in the Lutheran one. I just cannot accept holy communion at the Catholic church, I do it in Lutheran. Everything else is going normal. People need to stop thinking about different traditions of Christianity as if it was a completely different religion
People really get worked up over minor things. Such as which Pope to follow or Chalcedonian debates over Christology which goes over the heads of 99% of the laity. Shouldn't a love of Jesus and the sacraments trump these minor things?
Maybe I'm wrong, but some Orthodox don't or won't even marry each other. I have never seen an Ethiopian Orthodox and an Egyptian/Copt marry each other. Even though their churches have a close shared history.
I don't feel that this production accurately portrays a mixed marriage in the Coptic church, but rather it seems misleading and bias. I didn't feel that it touched base with the religion aspect and how difficult it is for a couple to raise a Coptic family, especially when when of the parents is new to the faith as well. I myself am newly wed to a Coptic Orthodox person and the challenges of this new life are numerous. I couldn't imagine having other challenges.Starting a family is a blessing from God that stems from marriage; it is the entirety of marriage. You mention broadening our world views, but we are losing our church traditions along the way. I noticed in the video that when the family greeted abouna in church, none of the children kissed his hand. This is exactly what happens when we have mixed marriages. Our rich traditions fade away for the sake of being tolerant to others. Furthermore, what is the necessity of all the statistics and scientific studies mentioned, do these studies even focus on religion? This is no accurate description of reality.
The video is definitely bias in the aspects you mention, but I think their purpose was to merely introduce the concept of mixed marriages since the idea is so foreign to the Egyptian community (no pun intended). I have no doubt about the many challenges mixed couples face within the Coptic Church and I think it would be a great topic for a future documentary! You bring up an excellent point when you speak about traditions in the Coptic church. What I've personally come to peace with regarding this topic is differentiating between "Traditions" (with a capital T) and "traditions" within the church. Father Tadros Malaty explains it best when he writes about when the Coptic Orthodox Church preached in Ethiopia. The Coptic Church offered Ethiopia the essence of her "Tradition" but not its details/"tradition." For example, Ethiopia accepted the "Traditions" of using liturgies in her worship, but not the "traditional" texts, melodies, or instruments of the Copts. The "Traditions" of the Church is the source of the Christian faith and what unites every church as one Body of Christ, while the "traditions" are more cultural and play a role in representing the diversity of Christian communities and their personal relationship with God. The “traditions” of the church is the approachability of the Church to have potential members experience the richness of its “Traditions.” With this said, I am not going to debate whether kissing abouna’s hand is a necessary “tradition”, because I definitely see both sides to the argument and don’t feel strongly for either one, but will say from personally knowing Abouna James, he always goes for the hugs whenever the youth come to greet him!
I come from a Roman Catholic Italian American family and married a Coptic woman. When I converted to the church, I did not know all of the traditions based on being not only American, but from an Italian ethnic background. Some of the traditions of the Coptic church are culturally specific and even some Eastern and Oriental Orthodox do no kiss the hand of a priest. Also, one of the biggest problems I had coming from the Roman church was my mother saying,"They will change because they are in America, those traditions are stupid" just like the Roman church changed and shaved off half of their liturgical and became almost Protestant in their practices. So, I see your fears of that happening here in the US and Canada. I have to disagree with you, nenesays, of all the people I know who married through the Coptic church and were not Egyptian, they all have had a spiritual rebirth because of the true strength and belief of the Coptic church, (and most importantly Our Lord Jesus Christ) our strict fasting, openness of the church, the lack of God fearing which is prevalent in Catholicism, and welcoming of others. I know I don't want our church to change. I love the fullness of liturgy and I know the other's who have joined the church feel the same way because it has been lacking in the Roman church. It takes time to learn about something fully, to commit to it fully. You cannot become completely understanding of the Coptic church in a matter of months. It has taken me ten years to understanding how we are different from Eastern Orthodox, the Council of Chalcedon, why other Orthodox churches are not welcoming of me, won't allow me to do work with their churches or foundations because I am a "Monophysite"; which is incorrect. There is a lot of learn about the church coming from a non native aspect, and perhaps if two people love each other and will have a loving marriage, the person coming into the church may not wish to learn all of those things fully, and that does not make them any more or less Orthodox or Christian than you or I. Some of the little intricacies may seem offensive to you, but I did not kiss a priests hand until after I received my baptism and first communion in the church. I took my mother to Liturgy last week and she was blown away with how traditional it was. She was upset she couldn't take communion, but when Abouna was praying for over an hour on the Body and Blood of Our Lord, she turned to me and said, "Now I see why I can't take communion." It is all about respecting each other and understanding each other. If we can do this, perhaps we would not be in so much disagreement in Christianity. But, I am someone that proves your hypothesis incorrect. An American who attends liturgy weekly, reads the bible and Agpeya daily, while his Coptic wife, who loves the church, does not. Your traditions will become mine and my children's. Don't worry, the strength of the Coptic church will prevail. It has for thousands of years, I doubt our American Protestant roots will discourage her purity.
You’re worried about the kids kissing Abouna’s hand??? LOLOLOL!! Is that what’s gonna get them into heaven? Bro, you’re just like the Pharisees that Jesus himself called out. All you worry about are traditions and man-made laws, when you should be worrying about your personal intimate relationship with God.
thebrainina Just do what you want as long as it is ok in the eyes of God and when not if people have a problem with it then have NOTHING to do with them no matter WHO they are - tell them, if they are a relative - otherwise don't waste your time, that they need to be accepting because of blah blah blah and then say if they are not that you are not going to expose yourself or your mate to this type of drama and that you will never see them again and tell them to leave you alone and not call you etc. They want us to be adults good be adults our parents want to keep acting like children like they are God Almighty and they decide who does what this is wrong and needs to be addressed.
What's complicated about falling in love with someone regardless of their ethnicity and nationality. Life is too short to be afraid of "complications".
This is sad because other partner is mostly former catholic. Why catholics do not practice their own religion but are willing to become coptic for marring other person. This shows that this is not genuine faith but conditioned on the partner whom they love.
progzmasters They're still Christian for Christ's sake. They haven't forsaken God. Just for the record, the Coptic Orthodox Church Fasts and Prayers are much more tougher that those in the Catholic Church so that means they found something in the Coptic Church that isn't there in the Catholic Church. But I do agree that if they "swing" easily maybe the faith isn't genuine. So you do have a point but be happy that they fell in love with a Christian.
When religion and baptism comes after having the intention to hold a marriage then one has full right to call it hypocrisy. Such a routinie baptism is outrageous. BTW, pay attention to the mixed marriage in terms of different religions at all. It is there in the COC. People flatter those who do it, and clergy turn blind eye and even share flattering.
It says in the Bible that something divided cannot stand. That is very true. So all in all it's not a good idea to marry someone who is of a different religion or confession, even of a different culture.
I would have to respectfully disagree. I am mixed race and a remember of the Coptic Orthodox church. My father is a Coptic Orthodox priest who is of Egyptian decent (but raised in the USA), and my mother is American. We have a very happy home, and I love my church with all my heart, as do my siblings. :)
You might want to Google what happened to Aaron and Miriam when they challenged Moses concerning his Ethiopian wife. God bless these people and the message delivered through this message.
The Roman Catholic and Apostolic Christian Church should take a lesson from this Video. Also, the Couple who is Coptic Woman with Italian Man reminds me of Cleopatra and Marcus Antonias, (b.k.a. Mark Anthony).
Mixed marriage can be interesting, but I am not sure that the most of the families accept it. Daniel should learn to speak arabic language. I think it's very important for his integration in his wife's family. RÉPONDRE
There is a belief in my culture (I am from Eastern Europe) that couples who look similar are very well matched and they will be happy together. I noticed that at least 2 of the couples do look similar, especially the italian guy and his wife (and also the mexican wife and her husband). I do not believe in this idea, but I think is very interesting how 2 people from so very different backgrounds should look so similar. It would be an interesting result if they decide to do their DNA testing.
Ethiopian here. Mixed marriages are also seen every now and then in our community - but it is not encouraged, neither is it promoted. I personally don't see diversification of the Coptic race on a large scale as beneficial to future generations, but that's just my opinion.
"Coptic Times" by bad brains made me look up Coptic Catholics out of my parents encyclopedia waaaaaaay back in 1990. Until that bad brains cassette,I hadn't ever heard of Copts. Hoping/praying 1 valid Eastern Rite Catholic Bishop conditionally Ordains Consecrates novus ordo priests bishops in traditional Latin Rite of Holy Orders. Rome will be,unless this happens,without valid Apostolic Succession in 5 yrs or less. 10 pre-July 1968 Bishops are all's that's left of Tridentine Rite Bishops within Rome.
That's the Arab World for you. I have read reports that Arabs and Hebrew people are marrying each other in Israel. It's not a good idea unless these couples have been fully redeemed by Christ ---- then there's nothing wrong with it.
Come on guys, the real reason that us Catholics and the Copts aren't under the same roof is because of some pissing contest that happened a thousand years ago. The theology is nearly the same. God is still God, and Jesus came to save us.
the fact that both have the same faith in Jesus Christ plays an important rule in understanding each other. That will not be the same even close if the couple were a Muslim and a Christian partner. There nothing common between them. The basic understanding of marriage does not exist in Islam. In Islam you pay money to the father as price of allowing him to have sex with his daughter. He will not be allowed to know her and know each other because Nekah the word they used in referring to legal sex with that person basically it is a contract you pay and you take her there is no convenient of love and you can get in relationship with up to 4 women sexual relation. Man can divorce her by text message stating you are divorced that is all is needed. On the other hand the woman has to go to the court formed of a Muslim judge and implement sharia law. Judge may decided No that the reasons wife is presenting is not sufficient and that put the woman in an awkward position because she will be treated like prisoner not allowed to get out of the house cannot get marry and he would go find another woman. So it is lose lose situation for woman and win win situation for man. If the judge agreed that there is a reason for divorce and that would be most likely he is not able to perform. Then she gives him back every thing including the money her dad took all gifts and will be kicked outside the house. So it is not just the cultural difference in food and dresses and things we can compromise it is far deeper than that
why the Copts speak Arabic?, Isn't the Arabic imposed on them by the ISLAMIC expansion in the middle east?! I thought they have their own ancient language Why they don't bring the language back, as the Jewish people had done with the Hebrew
No, unfortunately we were obliged to use Arabic in the every day life as Arabs controlled everything. Gradually, Coptic became a liturgical language only. We can't bring it back for it's not up to date enough to be used today, but thanks to the Coptic church after all, at least the language isn't completely lost.
The Coptic Orthodox Church and The Roman Catholic Church are ONE and the same. Both churches are of God and are Orthodox, Apostolic, and sanctified by The Holy Spirit of God. This woman who converted to Coptic Christianity didn't convert at all she stayed in the same religion, so that baptism was unnecessary since both churches are ONE. The Body Of Christ has many limbs but one head. The Churches united are the Body Of Christ and are therefore God himself. (From a Roman Catholic)
John Lawn I'm not being sectarian. I am merely stating fact. What you are advocating is the branch theory and is completely antithetical to the Eucharistic ecclesiology of the Church Fathers.
+John Lawn I agree u said Coptic and Roman Catholic it's Apostolic church succession but coptic are the 1st church broke away from one church in 4 century they rejected Chaldean council regarding Christ natures.
Thomas Peter what's this bullshit everyone knows that jesus was in egypt ..and Christianity spread from egypt? wtf is greece that took coptic words into there life ...do you know that first copts who teached the ethiopians Christianity and even made there Months system ?
Why did not invite a couple where the spouse joined the other denomination. The problem Coptic church think high of themselves inspite these church leaders betrayed the Coptic religion , culture or any thing to make sure the priesthood which was never practiced in the church till the 5th century but it is the most important things to them more important than the faith itself. To them it is one way to be a Coptic couple or you are rejected. I came from long family tree of priests and bishops. I disagree with the church leadership because the do not even respect other denominations. I rejected that I had to stop going to the Coptic church but they do not accept or tolerate others. The video make the statement. How to allow the Coptic orthodex Chrch, Word Coptic means Egyptian Orthodox does not mean Christianity. so, what religion tey are talking about.
God loved this world so much that He sent His only Son, Jesus, to the Earth. That whoever believes in Him will have Everlasting Live and go to Paradise! ! John 3, 16 the Bible! God's word the Bible was around hundreds of years before the Koran! Think about That! Then believe the True Word of God! The Bible! ! !
The Egyptian "Coptic" woman who is an Israelite btw and Caucasian man with Esau tendencies "hunting" are mixed and being a Coptic/Israelite she is in error for mixing according to the written Word.
Several things wrong with this. 1. For one, we don't need anyone to speak on our behalf to God. Christ is the only one whose job it is to intercede for people. We are no longer under the Old Covenant. Christ changed the rules. This "priest" is not any more holy than me living in a brick house with a basement. Do not look up to a priest to know what's best for you. He isn't God and that's not even his job. 2. No one should get married unless people can not control their sexual impulses, nor get married without first making the effort to deny oneself to make contact with God through Christ and be found in Him. If the couple don't live by Christ's standards, than they will be unclean along with their children. Otherwise, marriage is not relevant. Marriage causes countless problems. 3. God had said, "A man would leave his parents to be with his wife." That means that it's only the groom who goes searching for a mate, provided that God is with him on his search. 4. It's fine to love someone outside one's race, status, culture, etc, but don't keep pushing for this diversity crap. It's not necessary to marry someone with a different background. That is not Christ's standard nor is it a requirement to gain God's favor. 5. We're talking about Arabs here. Arabs are not fond of the outside world. It doesn't matter if they're Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. They tend to be aggressive and very hypocritical.
