Edgar, I enjoyed this tutoral even more than reading your book. You did a wonderful job on this 'newer frontier' more of us are beginning to traveling upon. It has been painstaking at times, converting our Control Room from 5.1 to Atmos 7.1.4, but so exciting as we can see the golden finish-line ahead. We in this industry must be the gatekeepers to continue to strive/insist for the excellence in audio production. While the music industry has cheapened what is such a low standard of quality from our profession, just for consumers convenience. I continue to hold on to the belief, show the quality of what can be acheived, and maybe make music listening again a singular experience unto itself.
I thought if fast forwarding & watching this or even watch at 1.25x. You know what! I could not skip even a second. It was so rich & informative. The way you describe things and put it in place is sooo admirable sir.. Thanks a lot for the content that you provide. I'm very much interested now to check out your book and learn stuff in detail. Thanks again sir. Loved it.
i felt the same thought it was going to be the same old explantions ect ect ect BUT this was hour of my time , my life well spent!!! i will be using this as a referece always so clear and understandable.
Just started this and I love the statement of how spatial audio is “the same as Dolby Atmos but not the same.” I’ve been talking to friends at Apple (some of who are devs) that also found it confusing and I eventually got a solid explanation after multiple months of discussion.
@@jewtubetruckers Well Spatial Audio is Apples implementation of Dolby Atmos within their headphones, the newer models of AirPods allow you to position yourself in various angles besides head on for the intended mix that the engineer/artist made the song for. It's like you're in the studio listening to the music but you can turn you head to listen to different parts of the song, like you would be at a concert maybe. So you can listen to Atmos song in Atmos, but not if you're using non-Apple headphones, essentially, all spatial is Atmos, but not all Atmos is spatial, granted the situation changes not on the song you're listening to, but whether its with Apple Music and their AirPods lineup.
You're precision in language and definition is really so accurate and most appreciated.! I am a new fan! Almost completed setup of ProTools 7.1.4 / Dolby suite atmos mixing studio and you have confirmed everything I understood Atmos to be. Very clear. This is the future .. the object paradigm is genius and complicated. You have a gift of explanation and I am better for it. Thankyou!
Apple’s confusion hijacking “immersive audio” with “spatial audio” is well explained in the Distribution section of this video around 35:00-35:35. That is … the consuming public is misinformed because the Renderer is NOT used for spatial audio. Thus, your TRUE Dolby Atmos mix/master file is not properly presented to the consumer because it is REDUCED to ‘spatial audio’. I concur with other comments praising the excellence of this video. Thank you, Edgar.
With this excellent video and your "What's New in 10.7" I finally get the differences between Spatial Audio and Dolby Atmos - thank you!! One thing I didn't get, though - the mention of The Who's Quadrophenia album (7:11 in the intro). While it was a great album, I think it was only ever mixed in stereo. Perhaps 'quadrophonic' would be a more fitting graphic, and Dark Side of the Moon a more fitting example?
finally..a super detailed description of how ATMOS works, many thanks. Can you say a few words on file sizes, the 128 channels admbwf file must be huge. the consumers version of the 128 channels must be compressed like mp3? then rendered to the available number of speaker channels - Also , I imagine the BluRay file capacity being large might have a different quality data stream than the equivalent media streamed from TIDAL or anyone else? thanks for the super interesting video
That is best best demonstration of binaural audio that I have seen. The A B switching between binaural and regular stereo really let me hear the difference. I do us Apples services with AirPod Pros very often for both video and music listening. The head tracking is freaky good sometimes. I'll be sitting in my normal listening position, surrounded by the speakers, and forget if they are playing or if it is Airpods. This is the first video I have seen from you, it got me to hit subscribe. Good job.
The binaural version sounded weirdly roomy, in an undesirable way to me. I understand that the "normal" stereo was also strange, but the binaural sounded like it had been recorded in a terrible room
That was fantastic Edgar, thank you. It gives me a lot to think about before trying out my first Spatial/Atmos mix using Apple's Logic. Haha! I've smashed all the smashers! Salutations from astonishingly grey, wet & still sorta weirdly not back to normal Ireland! ☘☮🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮☘
this was the best explanation that i have seen and watched on RU-vid, even being a subscriber to dolby, this was so helpful. I have been aware of dolby because of star wars and ILM.But as a musician (flamenco guitar) having my own homestudio and preparing my own system starting with 5.1 learning the basics then moving to a 7.1.4 with dolby rendering apps the oportunity is limitless to moving my music to a higher level. thanks for the video I will becoming back to watch it over and over again. saludos desde Málaga, Spain
I'm two days into the demo of Cubase 12 Pro. I got my ceilings hung this last weekend and wired them up tonight. My room is smaller and I'm running 5.1.4. This is going to be a lot of fun. I just wonder how long it will be before I feel the need to go back to Nuendo.
Thank you for your very detailed explanation of how the consumer the will always get the water down version of the original Dolby Atmos master and the speaker sound bar and television manufacturers will always give you more advertising hype than substance.
Da vinci resolve for me it's really well integrated and work fine on windows, they also have a fairlight hardware accelerated card that use madi input and output, all the rendering tool and panning are well integrated. It's also support vst 3 audio unit plug in.
Forgot to mention, in addition to some of the most amazingly useful books that are actually fun to learn from, those are really cool glasses. If you don’t mind me asking, are brand are those glasses? Thanks again!
They are from a German company in Berlin www.ic-berlin.de but they are available in stores in the US too. It's a cool designer company with an attitude. All frames are handmade.
Thanks from Switzerland ✌️ Really great work. And as you mentioned it’s everything still moving. Logic has now for the moment the deepest Atmos integration with the integrated renderer and the ability to choose Apple headphones as your listening devices.
GREAT FREAKING VIDEO!!! Just found your channel. Very well explained, very engaging and entertaining. Thanks! On a different subject, cool glasses, what brand are they?
As my secondary computer with this be good for the plugin atmos renderer. HP Omen 870-224 Gaming PC. I5 CPU, 16 gigs of RAM, 1 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1060 3Gig RAM, DVD Writer/ Player, 1000 LAN, 7-in-1 memory card reader, Internal 500 W (100V-240V), and Windows 10 Home.
I have 2 of your books on doing Dolby Atmos. My main interest at the moment is setting up Logic Pro X with the external version of the Renderer. But there is something I'm missing about getting audio into the Bed. I.e., a stereo track In Logic routed to Outputs 1&2 doesn't make it. And there is no Surround panner in the Channel Strip. Is it even possible to do a complete Dolby Atmos mix with Logic and the external Renderer software? Can you point me to the parts of either or both your books that describe how Beds are filled from Logic Pro? The Object workflow, aided by the Music Panner and the Bridge seems straightforward. Thanks for all of this; it is very complete and very useful. And, of course, the internal/native workflow is clear.
Dobly is available on Window directly form the web site System Requirements Dolby Atmos Production Suite: Available for macOS 10.14.6 to 12.5.1 with supported DAWs. Dolby Atmos Mastering Suite: Available for macOS 10.14.6 to 12.5.1 or Windows 10 Pro with supported DAWs.
OK... waiting on the Atmos workflow in Logic 10.7 video, with, it has to be said, bated breath! Just bought your guide to this. Currently downloading 10.7, so itching to try some of that Atmos magic!
Downloaded and exploring. This is cool! Looks logical and well thought out. Looking for other updates within Logic, too... PS STILL no updated ES2 control window. Still looks like 360p rendering! 😆
Great Video. Thank you very much. Are you planning something similar for the DaVinci Fairlight and Atmos mixing? Would love to get one of your GEM books on the Fairlight!!
Excellent video which shows how ridiculously over-complicated Atmos is. 1) We can fully define the 3D location of a sound in a room, plus LFE FX, with a "simple" 4.1.4 system - why do we need 7.1.4 for this? 2) Given that 4 ceiling speakers are required for 3D why is the Atmos BED "7.1.2" rather than "7.1.4"? 3) Given that we can automate the panning of any sound within any DAW, why do we need "Object" channels? Why not just mix everything within the DAW to a 7.1.4 output (oh yeah, we can't do that because of #2 above!)? I understand the concept of the Atmos Renderer in that it can "remix on the fly" for any playback system. That's fine and revolutionary. What I DON'T understand is why the input to that process had to be so complicated. Feed the Renderer a 4.1.4 signal - with all the panning done in the DAW - and that's all we need for fully "immersive" sound. If a big theater needs 9.1.6 or more to fill the room or home theater needs 5.1. that's fine - let the Renderer generate those outputs from the 4.1.4 signal.
Excellent video. But for us gamers, the biggest question we have is given that the game in question has no direct support for Dolby Atmos, should we choose Stereo or 7.1/5.1 output. There are many threads on the web none are very clear. This is for a consumer using Dolby Atmos for Headphones. I know it won't have the metadata for the consumer renderer but is it better to have more channels feeding it or does that even matter?
Hi. Thank you, this video is really useful. Can you reprocess the voiceover to reduce that sharp "sss" in the video? It's really detracting from that otherwise great tutorial.
Edgar, where is the optimal object or bed position to place bass, and/or sustained bass? It seems like everything is based from the listeners ears and up, but what about below?
Hey, nice channel. I am having trouble including the meta data when I render out my ADM files. The option to "apply program level meta-data" is greyed out and when I load the ADM file into a new session, the audio is fine but the object meta-data is missing. Any idea why that would be?
I'm confused, you said Apple Music uses their own Spatial Audio which is not originally the Dolby Rendered, but then you recommend it at the end. Is that paid ad? I just started diving into Apple Music, I am amazed, and I am exploring about the Atmos. But learning what you said about Spatial Audio is something to take note, though won't change anything much to the experience. Thanks for the video.
Unfortunately, nobody paid me for this video and it is not a paid aid. About your question, Apple Music is playing back a Dolby Atmos file but runs it trough its own algorithm, Apple Music, when you listen over Apple headphones or supported built-in speakers. Pleas watch my later video about Logic Pro and built-in Atmos support where I explain that aspect even further ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PwxXc-J_9R4.html
