Mizuno JPX921 Hot Metal vs Ping G425 

Did you compare the 425 to the pro? And you like the pro more? I am looking at the same clubs

Thanks Wayne glad you enjoyed the content 👍

Why did you switch?

I did the same. Regretting it somewhat now. Ping is very forgiving, but the sound and feel of Mizuno is far superior.

Glad it was helpful! 👍

Did you get custom fitted for them Jared?

@@AskGolfNut I hit the Mizuno JPX 921 HOTMETAL and the G425 and I hit better with those but no fitted in a Simulator or with a custom fitter next to me.

Glad you enjoyed the video. As a natural lefty myself but play right handed I can understand the issues that left handers face. It's purely down to the size of the market and the costs involved with making left handed molds. Mizuno and others manufacturers would love to make more of their line-up accessible to left handers but they barely break even with doing it the way they do so any additional models would effectively be cutting into their profits made from the right handed market. Sad I know but I guess that's the price we lefties have always paid living in a right handed world. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Great point, and back further the CBS as a stock wallpaper option.....

Picked them up in December and they are the best clubs I've ever played with. Absolutely love them.

Glad you liked it! 👍

Not long now 😊👍

Definitely always use the Swing DNA in all my fittings regardless if it's Mizuno or another manufacturer. Having a measured understanding of physical bend profile cuts unnecessary time during a fitting "finding" the correct shaft and thus gives my client more time to compare iron heads with differing CG locations. Shafts can and do make a huge difference to how a club feels to the golfer handicap or no, but also can have a huge impact on how the individual releases and understands where the face is relative to path. I would only ever fit using every piece of technology available to ensure the client who's paying good money for his equipment, the best possible experience. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Thanks Roy appreciate the kind feedback.

Let me know how you got on with your fitting, let me know your swing dna numbers and what you ended up with 👍

@@AskGolfNut I was only swinging 75mph . Started playing golf during summer and fractured my wrist during fall :-( 35Hcp. Got fitted to 5-GW HM and ES 21 54'W 12Bounce + 59' 8Bounce wedges all with Nippon modus 105 with +0,25". And waiting to try the 5wood when they arrive in Denmark next week :-D All shots with the modus shaft were pure, where all other shafts was hit and miss. Fitting was done with Trackman and Swing DNA tool. Smash factor was all the way up to 1,46 with the 7 Iron ;-D

Every year its pushing limits bit by bit with better metallurgy and design. From one model to the other it would be marginal changes only really realised over a season. It's when you have the 10 year old set (classic average golfer coming in for a Custom Fitting) which sees the monumental improvements depending on swing characteristics and strike tenancies. The equipment is expensive, and doesn't cost any more with it being custom built so I would never understand why someone wouldn't get the best possible option fro their purchase 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

That and many other manufacturers do very good game improvement irons but for me and not just me (most of the independent custom fittings) the slightly softer feel of the Mizunos make some people sway that way. I guess it's the same discussion when it comes to the individual golfers preference for soft or hard golf balls. Most prefer soft, so any manufacturer that produces equipment that performs equal to others yet produce a product that feels softer than most will get the decision. You've done absolutely right with your choice for the performance and your wants, I hope you enjoy them for years to come 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching.

Just need to get my hands on the Cobras as they haven't been something that I've reviewed too much in the past due to their drivers not liking my strike location. But will make efforts this year to branch out 👍

Thanks John, appreciate the kind feedback 👍

Glad you liked the video, thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻

Hi Linda under normal conditions of only hitting very few shots during a fitting / testing session I would totally agree. Although with these tests I hit a large dataset with both to show any potential tendencies so any difference in true dispersion trends could be seen. Again though it's such small differences you wouldn't be wrong to pick either. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Definitely get custom fit (the equipment doesn't cost any more being fitted to why not 👍 hopefully fingers crossed you'll fit into other manufacturers stock shaft options so you won't have to choose a brand solely on cost of up charge and be able to give them all a fair test. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@@AskGolfNut good advice I have the luxury of access to Mizuno, Titleist, Taylormade,Ping, Cobra, and Callaway and we get manufacturers days so should Find something! Many thanks and keep the good reviews.Would love to see Cobra T rails, Wilson Launchpad and Cleveland HB Launcher Turbo hybrid irons as they are the only five star in forgiveness ratings. Interesting only the Taylormade. Sim Max 2 irons could compete according to Today’s golfer tests. Generally I think Cleveland came out on top for hybrid irons from other tests but nobody has tested all three against each other.

Hi there, the outlier released to 187 yards which is 7 yards or 21 feet longer than the Average. It was also fortunate that it was straight enough to catch the very back edge of the green which took some sting out of it, if it had missed either left or right then the lower descent angle to the average would have meant an even larger kick forward. Also another angle to consider which I didn't in the video mainly to time constraints would be that the outlier spun at 3000 rpm at my speed, put the same miss-hit in a slower singers hands who spins the ball much less just because of their speed and 3000 would turn to 2000 which isn't enough for a ball at a slow launch speed and angle to retain any kind of flight and fall out of the sky then becoming much much shorter than the averages. Basically it's just there as a talking point that you guys need to be aware of when you go to test out equipment, that's all I can try to do as a reviewer is to open people's eyes to possibilities which then you can take to your tests/fittings for a more educated open minded experience. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

So your saying Mizuno has no resale value ? Seriously , have played both , Mizuno by and far !!!!

@@AskGolfNut weird that it flew so much lower as well, despite the high(ish) launch?

The split in location looks much larger on the foresight comparison screen (still haven't fixed it yet). Their was 5mm difference in vertical strike between both sets and as its an iron its minimal gearing. The Pings as a rule have much larger bounce angles than Mizunos which in effect lower the strike on the Ping with the bounce interfering. But these are such small numbers it's marginal at best 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Glad you liked the content 👍

@@AskGolfNut thanks for fast reply

Neither really as if I did this test again today the Ping might beat it, or may not. They are so close and also the Hot Metal is Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate high flighted forgiving iron. As said at the start the G425 and HM isn't really a fair comparison, it should be against G710. The HM Pro is a bit more of a fair comparison which is coming very soon. Like for like there maybe...... I've got that and the Forged coming, and without giving the game away the Mizuno hat, Mizuno bag doesn't say Mizuno wins there.... Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

I have my days 😊 but also some absolute shockers 😊

You never know until you give them a try, they may work amazingly well for you 🤷‍♂️🤔👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@@AskGolfNut For me it was the sound and the softer feel i will be looking at

No need to change if its not broken 👍

Hi Jim, now doing the editing on that very video 👍 out soon 👍

@@AskGolfNut was going to request that very comparison

Hi Scott, difficult to answer as it's impossible to give you an idea without knowing more about you, your game and your tenancies in strike. The Hot Metals are marginally more forgiving but its near on impossible to tell the real differences. The Pros with a slightly sturdier bend profile may be better for someone with a faster swing but again without knowing far more about your swing it's a wild stab in the dark. I'd say though on balance if you swing as fast as me then the Pro would be the better option. Trying to get them setup in your correct lie angle though would equally be as important. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@@AskGolfNut Thanks for getting back to me so soon! Driver SS 105-110. Misses with Srixon ZX7 C Taper Lite are fat and short. Probably losing shaft lean and releasing too early into ground. Great club but off center hits not the greatest. Saw Paige Spirinac who is pro go to non pro version stating she just wanted most forgiving which makes sense to me. Obviously she doesn't have the same swing speed. Was just worried that the Neo would be too light. Looking at your videos on both it seems like you got higher trajectory with only loss of 3 yd average with non pro but you were using a heavier shaft than Neo. If I am going to hit higher with similar distance and better dispersion being a 9 handicap, I would go non pro. My misses are definitely low not high. I'm torn!🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😂😂

I would definitely say that if you knew your delivery dynamics or forcing requirements then it'd make your choice so much easier. If you can go somewhere that's very good and not commission based selling that uses technology then I would definitely look at getting fit. I'd say come to me for a fitting but not sure where you are in the world 😊

@@AskGolfNut I appreciate it. I ordered the non pro. Will let you know!👊👊

"shovel on a stick" probably my favourite funny comment this month 😀

I agree the 710’s look horrifically large to me also not even close to the size of the 921’s

Maybe not no, but the HM is Mizunos largest iron model offering every bit of help that any Mizuno iron can. I think if you were to measure CG location relative to face then those 2 would be the best comparison. The HM Pro would be the better choice to compare...... Video coming soon on that one, let's see which one wins there..... Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Great for the guys that struggle with strike using hybrids at their normal length. They are designed to give that little extra help with launch and off centre hits due to them having roll and bulge. Definitely test them and compare the 7 irons like for like as generally they will only have 7 irons to test 👍

Hi Wayne, can you direct message me askgolfnut@gmail.com 👍

Hi Jonathon, in the spectrum of postures mine is a bit more bent over than most. Not quite Kegan Bradley (pga tour player) but lightly more than most. Even in my junior days I struggled a little with high handle, toe down delivery. So I naturally developed a slightly more leant over posture that would give me more room for my hands to pass my hips. I'm still 2 degrees Upright from standard but well within the normal specification for my height. Everyone is unique and as such common practices/teachings still have to be personalised to the individual. Well done for noticing though. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

Haven't received anything as yet.... 👍

Hi Philip, the reason I have no efficiency diagram is basically due to not having enough data from the G425 to accurately map the face. Due to UK lockdown the only person to hit this is has been me, where to map it I need multiple data sets from different people hitting it different ways to measure it. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@@AskGolfNut Thanks for the reply.

The Hot Metal might be a touch larger but the difference in marginal at best. The Hot Metal Pro is slightly smaller than the G425. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@@AskGolfNut thanks for the reply 👌

Aim to please 😊

Still it was very close and the HM are really Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate launch machine. The HM Pro is a better comparison which CG location relative to the face is more like for like. Review being edited and uploading soon. Let's see who wins that battle... 😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

They always say you should revise before a test 😀

Which way do you think you'll go.......

@@AskGolfNut I got fitted yesterday. Tried both and there was nearly no difference but I prefer the feel of the ping. Can’t go wrong with either I think.

Very true, glad you enjoyed and found what you wanted 👍

@@AskGolfNut thank you, another factor was mizuno is 5-6 week wait and ping is only 2-3 weeks...

That's a very sad but true statement in some cases. Where in the world do you live?

Already done Nigel, just needs the editing done 👍

Hi Matthew, being honest I didn't have the two clubs available in 0 lie angle, so for me to keep the comparison as equal as possible I did have them in effective 2 degrees too flat so at least if any discrepancy in dispersion or initial launch direction then it would be equal in both and a true comparison between the two. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the time taken to critique the head data as it is important to show what differences if any between the head technologies. 👍

I have reached out to them. Now awaiting a reply 👍

Mikey, firstly it's a pattern that I've seen with repeated high strikes so the misread idea is debunked. The spin would be even lower with a slower swing causing a serious drop in distance. This is only meant to show what is good and not about the club in question regardless what it brings up. On the whole apart from the sound (which is subjective) the G425 is a really well performing iron and many will be happy to play them. Secondly when it comes to looks feel and sound, many people care about it, rightly or wrongly. Sometimes it's a major buying criteria that people have when deciding what product to buy... 👍

@@AskGolfNut thanks for your response. I just meant that the poor reading was so far off the average I would discount it. Feel, I completely agree with. And of course you’re right to say some people do care about looks and sound.... Great review.

Hi Sae, in my own setup or just within this test?

Hi Black Birdie Golf, for this reason I always give head data to corroborate any findings. No different I guess if I choose a Callaway hat in a Callaway video or Ping etc etc. Not enough reviews out there that give detailed head data analysis. Without it, anyone could just swing the club faster and hit that club longer than the other. Honest data leads to honest opinions 👍

That's the beauty of having two opposing companies offering similar performance in 2 different ways is that everyone has choice. As many people will adamantly choose one or the other and that's perfectly fine. They both make very good equipment. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍