@iamgermane lol ok, Baseball is and will always be considered America's Past Time which means it's the most American sport in the country. Football is losing viewership hand over fist. Keep crying though I enjoy your tears.
Raleigh would be a good option. The Carolina Hurricanes value has skyrocketed, in recent years and have amazing support. Obviously the Braves being super popular, in this region would be a bugaboo.
It'd be a good choice, actually, because the Durham Bulls have drawn well. There's enough distance between Atlanta and Raleigh that it wouldn't be a problem, I don't think.
@@41Brother2They do have a MLB presence in the sense that the Braves own the Southeast and market the team all throughout it. Braves Country is not limited to only Georgia.
@@jamesrfb I mean in-state presence. Cuz you could say that the Hawks market cuts into the Hornets and they're not doing anything about it. Falcons aren't doing anything about the Titans and Panthers. What makes the Braves the exception?
@@41Brother2 The Braves are WAY more popular nationally than the hawks and Falcons. They were on TBS for like 30 years every night. That's like when the Braves go to Tampa Bay and the stadium is packed with Braves fans. I think Raleigh would be good because it's kind of in the middle between Atlanta and DC. Nashville for sure is getting a team tough and there are a lot of Braves and Cards fans there too.
I believe Raleigh, NC would be a better choice than Charlotte. Charlotte has way too much going on with the NFL, NBA, NASCAR, professional Soccer, and a Triple-A Baseball team. Where Raleigh only has the NHL. Raleigh has had just as much of a population growth as Charlotte in recent years. Raleigh would be a gold mine for an MLB team. Geographically it's the perfect location between Washington DC and Atlanta.
It should be noted that the SLC metro is counted weirdly. The way it’s broken up Davis County which literally shares a border with SLC proper isn’t considerer part of the Metro it’s considered part of Ogden 40 miles away. A better way to measure it is to look at the whole Wasatch Front from Provo to Ogden which has 2.8 million people in an 80 mile corridor.
They need to start using what is called the Combined statistical area (CSA) which includes Ogden and Provo mand not the Metropolitan statistical area (MSA)
Exactly! CSA is the Wasatch front and all within 45 miles of downtown SLC. 2.8 million people which translates into the 27th largest TV market in America, bigger than a lot of NFL, MLB, and NBA markets. Its one of the fastest growing urban areas in the country, with the youngest population in America and highly educated with hight tech silicon reputation.
Calgary, Alberta has a metropolitan population of 1,306,784 that would host an MLB expansion team Calgary Cannons and it create a future rivalry with the Seattle Mariners in the American League West and MLB. Calgary is about 1084 kilometres from the Alberta - British Columbia/Washington State border and has TV market for Major League Baseball in Canada
@@ericacottle3507The SLC TV market is skewed- it is all of Utah, plus portions of Nevada. How many people in St. George are going to drive to SLC for games?
All of us in Sacramento would absolutely love an MLB team and we have tried before. We fill the RiverCats games all the time, we pack our Kings games and Republic FC games. It would be a great way to keep a Giants rival in the North of California and give more fans a team in the north
@Christian-xf4xm The A's are likely headed to Salt Lake City before completing their move to Vegas. Salt Lake City built a new stadium for its AAA team, but still has the old stadium too. The A's could play in the new Bees stadium while the Bees stay in their old stadium, which would help prove Salt Lake is a great liston for an expansion Majors team. The location for an MLB team is already selected, and largely acquired. It's also near where The Sandlot was filmed, and between the airport and downtown. Salt Lake City is too far ahead of everybody else and has demonstrated on a global level via the 2002 Olympics that they are ready and can do it.
@@domin8ss Either Salt Lake or Sacramento would be a better choice for the A’s than Las Vegas. The weather is more conducive to outdoor baseball in both. Salt Lake would have better tax advantages and operational costs than Sacramento (unless California politicians remove their heads from their posterior orifices, but I don’t see that happening for a while).
We need to talk about expansion less and relocation more. Neither of the Florida teams draw flies and should both be moved.As far as Salt Lake and Nashville. I'm not sure about either one of them. Don't look at pure population numbers. If that was the key factor both the Marlins and Rays should be doing fine .
I don’t see us in SA supporting MLB. We would need a domed or retractable roof ballpark due to the heat, and that’s a huge expense. Personally, I’d love it, but I just don’t know if it would work here.
See and looking through the looking glass that is why SA wouldn't get an expansion baseball team. If it would work and that's a big if, it would have to be the SA/Austin expansion team. If you include the population of both cities and the economic impact of Austin into that equation you might have something. Problem is both cities have egos and I am not sure the city leaders would play second fiddle to either city. Oh well one can dream.
Good points, Glenn. And if they wanted to include the Metro Austin area they would need to build the stadium somewhere between New Braunfels and San Marcos which is about 40 miles from downtown SA and 40 miles from downtown Austin. That’s not an ideal situation.
Completely agree with that, I couldn't imagine driving to New Braunfels or San Marcos. The funny thing is that the players would probably love to live in Austin. ;)@@OldRustySteele
I live in San Antonio and I was waiting to hear our city on the definitely not happening anymore list. I know the city/county has plans to build an MLB stadium to lure a team here, but the market for baseball fans is larger closer to Austin I think. They love and support AAA Round Rock very well. San Antonio didn't care at all when the AA Missions moved to AAA for 1 season. Average attendance stayed around 3-5 thousand per game I think. Maybe they'd care more about an MLB team, but it feels like a long shot as a San Antonio native. My fingers are crossed though. I'd drive to New Braunfels or San Marcos though if necessary.
@@Christian-xf4xm Not entirely. There are also a lot of Texas Rangers fans here. Judging by the caps I see worn, it seems about 60% Rangers, 40% Astros. (But that’s admittedly a very unscientific poll, and may vary by which team has been successful most recently!)
@@OldRustySteele Honestly it's nobodies territory. I see people wearing stuff from many different teams. That's what happens when you're too far to go to any games and to close to watch the nearest team with tv blackout shenanigans.
I would love to see a raleigh team. Its a very quickly growing metro area, tom dundon is very invested, and nc has a ton of baseball interest in minor leagues. It would be great here.
Its interesting you sat thay Salt Lake City has 1.27 million in thr Metro area. If you include the Metro area along the Wasatch front (which the Utah Jazz considers) is more like 2.7 million, making it a more comparable market to San Antonio and Charlotte
If you are going to add metro areas together you are only making your case worse. There are 5 million people in the San Antonio / Austin metro area...and it's still growing
Two problems with putting in stadiums in either Nashville or Salt Lake City both starring one bad word weather! Both will need Baseball stadiums with roofs. In SLC Snow from opening day till Memorial Day and then again before Sept is out each yr. Open air stadium there your shoveling snow out of all the time like Highmark Stadium in Buffalo the last 2 Bills seasons. In Nashville it's Rain, Rain Rain all the time. Even saw the Grand Olde Oppry and the Hotel got flooded out a few yrs back in spring April- June that tornado season in Nashville. Maybe they can make the 1st stadium that not only has a retractable roof but could also retract itself into the ground when Dorothy says "It's a twister, it's a twister. Also SLC is the capitol of Mormonism. A lot of alcohol, beer and other beverages get consumed by fans at MLB games. Would they go if no beer or alcholholic beverages served I am not sure they would. 😮
Today they do in the NHL. Devils and Islanders both play within 10-15 miles of Manhattan. Makes for a really fun fan rivalry. (Devils fan here, both us and Isles fans get along in having a common enemy in the Rangers)
Austin to San Antonio is an 80 mile drive, one-way. If a team is planted in San Antonio, I can't ever see Austinites making up any significant portion of the crowd, unless there's some sort of special event, like "Austin Night" or something.
As a Mariners fan I would love an expansion team in Portland. It would be great to have a natural rival that is within easy driving distance. Ironically, I believe that the Mariners have been fighting any expansion in the Pacific Northwest. They consider that corner of the country their territory.
Except they don't do anything outside of King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties but black out everything from Bend to Utqiagvik! If the M's were playing 1 game a year in Portland, Vancouver, Spokane, Boise, Anchorage, or Fairbanks then I could see them fighting expansion to Portland or BC. They're just not doing that, they made their City Connects for Bellevue soccer moms. I agree Portland would be a great MLB city though.
There is a good reason for that , the Orioles are really hurt by the Nationals being so close with as good as they now they would sale out all the time if it were not for the Nats
As a person that lives in the Seattle area I wish and hope the mariners can move cities like the sonics did. Nothing but disappointment in Seattle professional sports and creates delusional fans believe they can win a title even though they've only made 1 playoff this century
Nobody is pointing out the obvious regarding San Antonio, they would need a dome to deal with summer time temperatures. Who has the cash ready to build a $2 billion dome in SA?
@@eugeniusbear2297 I could be wrong. I lived in Austin and only ever visited San Antonio, but they felt the same. Neither ever felt like absolute misery to me like Alabama, Georgia, Brazil, and Africa felt when I lived there.
The city is pledged to no public financing towards a MLB stadium. Indeed, the city doesn't even want to get involved in an exploratory committee to drum up business support. The mayor's office told me that the Rays are welcome to move to Charlotte, but that Charlotte would do absolutely nothing to bring about such a move.
I would love to see Charlotte or Raleigh get a team here. NC is more than just a college basketball state and they've shown it with the Hurricanes garnering popularity under Dundon and the minor league teams here continuing to do relatively well in their leagues. Even if the Braves are an option in this region, it wouldn't be that much different than expanding to Nashville at that point since they also share the same region as the Braves do.
It would have to be an AL team for it to work in Raleigh or Charlotte. This is Braves country. NFL made the mistake of making Panthers NL with Atlanta. My mom's from Charlotte but I still like Braves and Falcons. 2.3 million in the Raleigh/Durham/Cary Metro area. They need to put a stadium at Dorothea Dix Park, South of Downtown Raleigh. ❤
I’ll never stop rooting for the Giants but if Nashville does pull this off I’d be thrilled. Having the Titans here is cool but baseball throughout the spring and summer would make this place perfect.
@@bconni2 haha born in San Francisco, moved to Nashville for college, and Miami is my nickname from college because I am a diehard Miami Dolphins fan for football (despite the fact that I’ve never been to Miami)
@@armyboy1989_ was really into marine biology as a little kid at the exact same time I got into football. Dolphins were a perfect fit for combining those two interests. Ever since I’ve been a diehard fan.
As an additional note for the argument for San Antonio/Austin: SA is 5 hours away from the other MLB teams in Texas. Texas is massive; it’s not like a 3rd Texas team would really even be competing with the others (and the Greater Austin metro is at around 2.5m that is within driving distance)
@@jessicacolegrove4152San Marcos being in the 512 area code would make it more of an Austin team than SA, and SA won’t like that. New Braunfels at least is in the 830 area code, separate from both SA and Austin.
tbh I don't see portland getting a team - there's some grassroots demand, but most of the "push" has been coming from the real estate developers who own the proposed stadium locations
I’m guessing that with the embarrassing debacle that happened in Oakland, there may be a groundswell to revisiting the plan to put a stadium on the waterfront.
With North Carolina, you are correct population and whatnot, and also about Charlotte being the biggest city. However, Charlotte has shown no interest of note in bringing a team. Whereas Raleigh has shown plenty of interest
Notwithstanding that Nashville and Tennessee pledged to the taxpayers that the Titans' stadium would be the last time the taxpayers would ever be asked to finance a stadium???
In NC, Raleigh seems to be more committed to pursuing MLB than Charlotte right now. Also has less competition in the market than either Charlotte or Nashville while being of similar size. If I were king I’d probably go Raleigh/Durham and San Antonio.
I don't see Nashville being able to get taxpayer funding for MLB after funding a new NFL stadium. In NC, it's always Charlotte that gets things, but they don't really have room anywhere near downtown and can't expand the MiLB stadium.
Main thing here is the strong ownership and corporate sponsorship within the city. Regardless of how attractive the city is in terms of population and high GDP, team can only survive with a solid funding from the ownership. If you run a team like As, local fans will eventualy walk away. Vancouver is a prime example where fan base is massive as among of fans traveling to Seattle to watch Jays is simply remarkable. But they don't really have any marque corporate presence that can take on a MLB team.
Charlotte only has two NASCAR Cup races. Not sure why that would matter. That said, I don't think Charlotte is a good spot. Nashville or Raleigh would be better.
The Rays plan to build another facility in St. Petersburg is just ridiculous. People don't attend their games now because of the LOCATION. A move up the I-4 corridor to Orlando would draw from the five surrounding counties (Seminole, Osceola, Lake, Brevard, and Volusia). Orlando already supports the NBA and MLS, has a large Hispanic baseball-loving population (in Kissimmee), and the hordes of northern transplants. And no one can say the population in the Orlando metro area is going to decline anytime soon. Too bad the boat is about to sail.
That's just North Carolina, you didn't mention that Charlotte is on the State line which will pull South Carolina residents as well. I can't believe Charlotte isn't #1 on this list!!!
Another issue is bandwidth, Charlotte has a lot going on right now. Frankly Tepper is in the way, doesn't he want Another stadium? Baseball is cool but may not be an immediate priority for Charlotte.
Right now there are not enough major leaguers to fill all the teams and they want to expand?!!!! The quality of play is so deleted, its become a boring game to watch!
The A's moving to Vegas is far from a done deal. Sure, MLB has approved the move, but there is still the question whether Fisher can afford to do it. If the Schools Over Stadiums group succeeds in getting a referendum concerning the $$$ in stadium funding on the ballot for November, changes are that the public will vote it down. If that happens, you might just see the Sacramento or Utah A's (or whatever name is left over from naming the NHL team), and an expansion team in Vegas.
Salt Lake is the number 22 combined metro area at 2.705 million. San Antonio is the number 23 combined metro area at 2.637 million. See “combined statistical area” from the U.S. Census. It’s the only way to compare apples to apples.
San Antonio is a hour from Austin who has 2.4milliin people and the got money. Put the stadium in between both. Like the rangers are between Dallas and ft. Worth
I wouldn’t compare either CFL or NFL to MLB. In pro football you only have one game per week, so it’s a “Big Event” with tailgating and all-day activities. In baseball, you have to draw a good attendance for 81 home games, with 5 of the 7 on weeknights where many people have to get up early to go to work the next day. So just because Montreal supports the CFL or any city supports CFL or NFL doesn’t automatically mean they’ll support MLB adequately.
SLC sounds difficult. It's not a huge city and while the elevation is 1,000 ft lower than Denver, the offense would be rather advantaged and the pitching would suffer. The outfield would probably be kind of big. A humidor would be necessary. High scoring games would be normal.
I don't get why they always limit the Salt Lake Metro area. The real Area has nearly 2.5 Million. It stretches from Brigham City in the North to Payson in the south. over 2/3rds of the states population live in this area which is all within an hour drive of Salt Lake City. There are an additional 150K people living in the mountain valleys to the east and west also within about an hour drive. The estimates are that the population will be around 5 Million by 2035. The TV Market will be the entire state plus many communities in Idaho, Wyoming, Western Colorado, and Eastern Nevada. Which pushes the current market somewhere at or above 3.5 Million.
North Carolina needs a team but Raleigh is a much better option than Charlotte. Plus there is actually a concerted effort in Raleigh with a billionaire owner backing the effort.
I've lived in both metroplexes, and I can tell you that Charlotte is a much larger and wealthier metroplex than Raleigh. No comparison. However, you may well be correct that there is more enthusiasm for MLB and willingness to spend on a stadium. Land out in the exurbs would certainly be cheaper southeast of Raleigh around Zebulon than south of Matthews near Weddington. I tried to drum up interest in MLB at Matthews and Charlotte and hit a brick wall.
I’d love for San Antonio to get a team but I’d settle for it to go to Austin(preferably south Austin/San Marcos) and have San Antonio be their AAA team.
Reasons Vancouver will never get an MLB team: - Despite a popular and successful High-A club in the Vancouver Canadians, there just isn't enough casual fan interest in baseball to meet the demands of MLB. Vancouver is more likely to get a Major League Cricket team. (which would be great because cricket is awesome) - Vancouver is on the same path as Portland for the same reasons. - Canadian taxes don't motivate players. - Canada's version of T-Mobile and ESPN combined owns the Blue Jays and they might have a problem with another team taking away fans and their wallets. (Another reason Montreal won't get a team) - Seattle is only a 3 hour drive away & the Mariners definitely get a lot of fans from Vancouver especially when the Jays are in town, and they might have a problem with another team taking away fans and their wallets.
Yeah, i dont see vancouver getting a team. Just not in the local sports culture or history. Plus it wont be an ideal place to attract top players, starting with the crap weather, high taxes, and distance from anywhere. Would feel too much like the gulag for most players.
They need to set things up so that there are two leagues, two conferences in each league, two divisions in each conference, and four teams in each division. Eliminate inter league play, eliminate wild cards, and just have three rounds of playoffs, first place vs. first place.
I would not be so certain about the A's to Vegas. It hinges on a lot of uncertainties including stadium financing, the questionable financial health of Ballys which is giving them the 9 acres to build on, and a potential referendum on the publicly funded portion of the project. The A's organization has been unquestionably inept at building a stadium thus far, so if any of those details aren't resolved, the move is toast. That opens the door for either a return to Oakland (probably only happens if current ownership sells), moving to SLC, or most likely, staying in Sacramento permanently after they move there next year. Northern California remains an attractive place to host two teams with a large population and plenty of baseball fans. Oakland has a site picked out, legal hurdles cleared, hundreds of millions in grant money for area improvements lined up, and willpower to build a stadium if they were to work with a new owner. Sacramento is a fairly untapped market that could retain nearly all the Bay Area A's fans. Both cities offer a much larger TV contract than Vegas or SLC. I think ultimately the A's stay in Sacramento and get a new stadium built there, and Vegas gets awarded an expansion team along with Nashville. SLC will still push for a team, but their sights will be on snatching the Diamondbacks if their stadium needs aren't met in the next 5-10 years.
Portland can't even keep a Triple A Team. Why do they think an MLB Team could do better? When The Giants were threatening to move to Tampa Bay, a poll taken of the city showed they were not at all excited about the team moving there. So the geniuses at MLB decided the town would prefer an expansion team instead...now they can't figure out why the team isn't drawing fans...my guess is a new stadium will be about as attractive as the first one...especially when the ticket prices go through the roof so the team can hold up their end of the financing....The Rays would have done better to try out that Split home town thing with Montreal...
Indianapolis used to want MLB, but don’t seem to now. Most of Indiana are Cubs fans, and Cardinal or Cincinnati fans in southern Indiana. I don’t think an Indianapolis team would turn Cubs fans into an Indianapolis team’s fans. I think people would rather visit Wrigley.
NASHVILLE CANT USE A STAR >>>>THE RANGERS HAVE THAT NOW !! CAN PEOPLE GET CREATIVE AND COMMON SENSE ABOUT THE NAMES >>> LIKE THE INDIANS TURNED TO THE GUARDIANS WHAT KIND OF NAME IS THAT....IF THE INDIANS WANTED OUT THEN I WOULD HAVE MADE THE CLEAVELAND CALVORIY
By law they aren't allowed to move the team at all....the previous owner stated that when the team was sold they cannot move the team out of Kansas City. I could be wrong though.
Nashville and Salt Lake City will be the next two expansion cities unless the A’s deal falls apart in Las Vegas and in that case the A’s will go to Salt Lake City as they already have 900 million set aside for a new team and Las Vegas will get the new franchise as it makes the most sense.
@@daltontf Las Vegas was screwed once before when the Diamondbacks were supposed to be a Vegas franchise but MLB was against having a team in a place that allowed gambling .The only way for the Vegas deal to fall apart is If Fisher can’t get the funding ..Salt Lake City already has money and stadium renderings to show MLB they are ready for baseball as well as the NHL ..When expansion does come one team will be in the east and one in the west . Las Vegas was the number one choice for expansion until the A’s decided to move there . San Antonio would have to put together a plan to beat out Salt Lake City to compete. Not that it can’t be done , but Salt Lake City already has a head start
@@BoulderCityBlues The Salt Lake City investors, the same that own the Jazz, have been buying up the land where the stadium will be built. Salt Lake has shown it can entertain on a global level, unlike all the other cities "competing". The Salt Lake location is actually really good as its between downtown and the airport, which are only 10 minutes apart anyways, and a light rail line already exists along the route the stadium will be at.
I think you should also look at this a different way. If teams were not associated with cities, but everyone had their favorite team, where would you want an MLB stadium? When I lived near Dallas, I would go watch a couple of Royals games in Arlington. Now that I live in Austin, I hardly attend but I have traveled to Kansas City a couple of times for the sole purpose of attending a Royals baseball game. MLB made the tough, but intelligent decision to incorporate interleague play several decades ago. The intent was to stimulate additional interest in the league by bringing people's favorite teams closer to a location where they might attend. Over time, people eventually develop a fondness for the local team. Baseball's popularity expands. The best thing for MLB is a stadium near a large expanding metro area that is 3 hours or more away from an existing stadium. Texas is the #1 choice and it isn't even close. A team near Austin or San Antonio wouldn't hurt loyalty to the Rangers or Astros, especially if they are in the same division of 4 teams and they get to see them 9 times per year. You never stop loving your old favorite team. You do stop attending games regularly when it takes more than 3 hours to go see them. Austin is full of transplants with loyalties to other teams from across the country. Give them a chance to watch their favorite team play 3 or 4 times a year. Who knows, they may end up rooting on the local team before it's over.
Thank you for pitching Monterrey. It really is the best option, not only for Mexico but in Latin America. They are baseball-crazed there. I saw a Diablos game in Mexico City, and it was pretty exciting, but folks say Monterrey is so much more passionate. Also, they're closer to Houston than the next closest city to the Rockies, so the travel quotient is nullified. They would not only be Mexico's team but also Latin America's team, so when you think of the market, you gotta think multi-country.
I am fine with Nashville I would have preferred Charlotte but Nashville is acceptable. SLC on the other hand no. Way too small of a market. We can barely keep the Brewers in Milwaukee and SLC is smaller. Austin or San Antonio would make 1000 times more sense.
I’m from Portland but I am no longer in favor of having a team because of the location they are planning for right now. First off it’s not even in Portland. The traffic in the area surrounding where they wanna build it is some of the worst in the state. They’ve been trying to expand the freeway in that area for 3 years now and construction always takes much longer than it should in that area. The traffic will only get worse with a pro sports team in that specific area and it’ll take even longer for construction to get done
Moving team's will work better because of people moving out of city's and No mexico do to crime and cartel problems expansion is still a problem because of MLB's lack of park attendees and lack of tv viewership
Also, as others pointed out, it's best to count SLC's metro size by the entirety of the Wasatch front, which is about 2.5 mill. The state has already passed a bill that would allow for the construction of a ballpark. Idk if the group in San Antonio has the same governmental support
I think a Mexico City team would be dope as hell. There are more than 20 million people in that city, the fans would improve the genera atmosphere at baseball games and it would also create new rivalries...
Montreal has the Alouettes of Canadian Football League as Professional Sports Team. So, that makes {2} Professional Sports Teams in the city of Montreal, after all the Alouettes won the 2023 Grey Cup last Canadian Football League Season last season.
Montreal of the CFL barely draws 20,000 for what 10 games a year? If you count that maybe SLC should count 65,000 for a BYU football game and 50,000 for an utah football game going on at the same time.
Would love to see the Rays move downtown Orlando or even downtown Tampa. They deserve a new stadium and I'm tired of driving a 3 hour round trip to Tropicana field.
Charlotte is a bigger city than Raleigh, but with it being so far away from the capital, it doesn't make it easy for people further east to go see the team play.
Sacramento is the best option. California has the most solid baseball culture in the whole country, and those people have proven they're great fans the way they support their NBA team, even in down years.
3:10 "they don't want to build a new ballpark"? Everyone involved in the efforts to get MLB back to Montreal knows a new ballpark is non-negotiable in getting a team. No one thinks playing there is viable outside of a temporary home while a new park is under construction.
