MLB Integrating Negro League Statistics Into Records, Josh Gibson Now Significant Stat Leader 

You think he’s never said it before??

Only around his white friends ​@@LastStopPod

@@LastStopPod lol wouldn't doubt it but who hasn't its a word

Hilarious

Lmao.

It got kinda awkward at the end.

Cracking up imagining a white Jackie Robinson trying to play lmao

Lol at him letting D But finish his sentence

Don't go too hard on the guy, those folks can get rowdy and judgmental at the drop of a dime...

@@Fortniteclandanny Who cares? Those folks sit on this same network insinuating that basketball is a black man's game. If a black guy isn't winning MVP then the award is illegitimate. White men need to start reacquiring all of this moral territory we've surrendered in the name of "wokeness".

You could honestly see it in his face after the first time he did it

Dorsey knew what was happening there he tried to address it by kind of saying Pat was making it weird.

It was unnecessarily awkward.

Well at least he granted permission. Us whites should be soooo thankful for that privilege. He didn't have to but after all, not to a white

Yup. He forced that joke too much. Dude he was interviewing was getting annoyed by it

I don't think it was a joke I think he was genuinely feeling awkward

@@Rgdarkchildeven if he was genuinely feeling awkward he was making it worse by constantly bringing it up

you have to be careful with every word thanks to liberals

@makers721 And every book thanks to the religious right. It's not a political thing dude. People on both sides find the things that they can get mad about and do so. People have been bitching and moaning since the dawn of time. Again...nothing to do with politics. Politics is just the place you see the dumbest bitching and moaning.

nothing was uncomfortable. you are just weird.

Nah dude was acting like saying the word negro leagues was weird, love pat but he mad it weird for no reason

@@great274 that’s because some liberals get offended when you use the term

Yeah, no one would’ve batted an eye if he said “Negro league” which is its official name, but him bringing attention to it EVERY TIME is causing the uncomfortableness that he’s trying to avoid

he’s trolling you guys but you’re too blind to see it 😂

But he doesn't need to be in the MLB hall of fame to prove that.

do you genuinely feel like you are oppressed if negro league stats aren’t a part of major league record books lmao

The “they never played in the MLB” argument is really bad considering the negro leagues folded once black players were allowed in the MLB. It was essentially a merger

@@BribableBuffalo you cooked some fire with that last quote my guy

the ABA and the NBL stats should be recognized by the NBA.

@@markjackson6431 don’t forget the harlem globetrotters!

nah you’re just a weirdo moms basement type trying to stir things up cause you’ve got nothing going on in your life.

It's not racist to look at this with skepticism. Josh Gibson, as much as a GOAT that he was, played less years in MLB than the guys whose records he "has now broken". If you want to honor him, do so in a separate category

@@szlava3641ah so segregate them again? This was an extremely in-depth project by the MLB that took several years of digging through archives and doing what they could to correctly attribute stats. There’s nothing wrong with this at all.

@@mmonkeyman1403 There are players in MLB who were phenoms in Japan, like Shohei Ohtani, Ichiro Suzuki and Masahiro Tanaka. Did MLB include their NPB (Japanese baseball league) stats and records along with their MLB stats and records? Nope!! There were/are phenomenal players from Cuba. Did MLB add their statistics from their playing days in Cuba to their MLB stats? Once again, No!

@@mmonkeyman1403 You can have a player in the minor leagues that hits .367, and has 310 homes runs. Does that mean we add those statistics to his major league stats? No.

That story is true, but you have to add the context of his smart base-running, not just pure speed. Bell was going to 2nd on the bunt and advanced to 3rd because the 3rd baseman had crashed in to field the bunt, then was able to score from 3rd because the catcher ran to cover 3rd and the pitcher didn't cover home. He didn't just blaze home from 1st on a routine bunt.

The infrastructure was in place for you to thrive today. 😂🤣

Cope 😂🤣

Some good ole Boo-hoo whine&cry gimme gimme black culture bull shid comment👆🏻 A cope! He said lol😭

Yep!

​@JasonWalkerJamaica which begs the question: how was the color barrier not broken until 1947 if he became a major leaguer in 1945?

Oh nooooo a black man being made to feel uncomfortable regarding race. The nerve! We must protect him!!

@@curtiswarren8628 tried to use him like a parrot who would say negro so Pat could keep talking

So you’re so racist, geography is irrelevant? Cope harder

COPE!!😂

Different country.

I will tell you want a gimmick looks like- from 1901 to 1947 the nation was “gimmicked” into thinking that the major leagues consisted of the best of the best baseball players- that’s a gimmick.

And I read "Only The Color of The Ball was White" and I read and hear stories about The Barnstorming Games that Negro League Teams played against Major League Teams and won more games than they lost.

@@JuliusC1973 lol lmao even

Pretty sure there are stories about him hitting 600ft homers at Forbes field

@@GodfatherBoxSet If I'm to believe Buck O'Neal there have been 3 Players who have swung a Baseball Hard enough that it sounded like a Jet Turbine: Babe Ruth, Josh Gibson and Bo Jackson.

​@JuliusC1973 to be fair barely any top mlb players participated in those games in fear of being punished

right? nfl will do it eventually

They are working on it, nfl has a team digging back through all the video available to get the stats right as far back as they can. This was a year or two ago that I heard about it though.

If blacks were the ones who collected all the sacks, it would have been done yesterday. 🤣

Gibson had far more AB's but due to poor bookkeeping not all was accounted for. He was also said to hit over 800 homeruns, but the MLB only gave credit for what was recorded officially. He played for 16 years. I think it's safe to say he has FAR more than 2168 AB's. He also had to got to leagues all around the world just to play, but I say that to say that, perhaps we're not having g this conversation about his loss of records had he been able to play in the "Majors".

@@shujaamwenyemaarifa6821 Great. Now make up stats for the time players lost in the war years, since we're giving records based on "ifs and buts". It's not about whether they could have done it or deserved to have the chance. They didn't. Pretending the NBL was a comparable league doesn't make it true, and it insults the great NBL players by validating segregation. If it was comparable, NBL players wouldn't have been fighting for the chance to play. Josh Gibson homering off factory workers is less Major League than Mike Trout homering in a minor league rehab game, but we're expected to use those numbers. It's ridiculous DEI.

@@shujaamwenyemaarifa6821 They shouldn't count anything as a record until the they integrated. For exactly the reason you are saying. Josh played in a league with 7 teams he played 50 games two or three times in his entire career. Most of the time he played about 25 to 30 games in a season (according to the stats we have). These guys were probably all working full time jobs while playing baseball. I doubt the skill level was the same as Players in the MLB at this point as a whole just based on the amount of playing time and practice being so different.

False, cope.😂🤣😂

​​@@klay369100 PERCENT B.S. THE NEGRO LEAGUE PLAYERS PLAYED AGAINST THE MLB ALL STARS AND WON MOST OF THE TIME. 🤡😂Cope

🦝🦝🦝🦝🦝🦝🦝🦝

Nope. And aside from the fact that the NL stats are notoriously shaky and that there was no real standardization regarding how scorekeeping was done in the league, the fact remains that Gibson only had about 2500 career plate appearances, and Satchel Paige only started 20 games in a season once in his career. I might be able to pitch 22 seasons as well if I was averaging 80 innings per season. 🤣

I don’t think MLB has considered the Japanese league as a pro American Baseball league.

Those were leagues in the 1800s they were credited in 69 just like the negro league got credited in 2024

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W comment

The wt league, was scared of the competition against them.

It means Gibson's numbers would have been closer to these guys, no way he could've average .372 for his career, Ty Cobb had .366 and that destroys most great players avg

"Correction" being the language we're playing with to justify this farce.

@@cobbler88 What is it about the Federal League that warrants their inclusion in MLB stats over the Negro leagues?

Why do you think ? They weren’t given the opportunity to play in the mlb simply due to racism. Therefore since they weren’t given the opportunity they are not going to scrutinize or diminish their accomplishments based on the league they played in.

@@northwestjuggernaut Ok, we should add all of our little league-hs stats too since we aren’t given the opportunity to play in the MLB🤷🏻

​@@Deerhunter178 Exactly what I said. If they're going to rewrite history, then they need to start integrating minor league stats, too. It's only fair.

​@@vintagecollector5340 It's not the same thing. It wasn't a minor league the skill level was equal. You're crying out falsely that its the same

@@qxc7434 I suppose you're here to correct everyone, because you were there to watch Josh Gibson play?

at least he didn't say "Nay-grahs"

Not even close. 52 players played in both leagues. 19 of those made all-star teams. Of those, 6 won Rookie of the year and 9 made the Hall of Fame.

Were* Ofcourse they were, they sent their best. Naturally

@@Tyrannis07From 1949 to 1959 9 National league MVP awards went to former Negro League players.

@@GeechieDan-uu9wm What's your point? 58 out of the last 60 AL/NL MVP winners played in the minor leagues. Does that mean the minor leagues are just as good as the majors?

@@Tyrannis07 No, because the Negro league teams regularly beat minor league and major league teams. Those 9 MVPs in 11 years proved that the Negro League teams had a talent pool to rival the Major league teams- and to be honest- they could have taken a lot more Negro league players after integrating the major leagues. Of course the American League dragged their feet with integrating

COPE 🤣😂

The Japanese didn’t have professional American leagues.

You know these people?

@@donthedon8675No, not personally. I certainly don't mean all black people. I mean what I said. The EXACT same humans that lobbied for this will be complaining about it in a year or two.

@@St.MalikiMakes perfect sense 🙄

@donthedon8675 im sorry if reality is bothersome to you. But in the real world there is a large amount of people who's only goal in life is to blame white people for all their problems. This will never ever ever stop. They scream they want their records included, but they don't actually care about it. I gaurentee two years from now those EXACT same people will be crying over how MLB "stole" thier records

500 exhibition games between negro leagues and mlb. Guess who won the matchup

These stats stretch back to the 1920s, the MLB has included stats that predated the MLB in the early 1800s in leagues that aren't the MLB. This isn't that big of a deal - at least not in the way you're making it.

no one should have any issue with the browns claiming they have 4 super bowls anymore if they want to be consistent

Do it.

@@luckilew thank you for your consistency 👍

@@Hardveur7 I’m all for it. I truly believe can you tell the history of a sport without certain players. I don’t think you can and that’s with all leagues. It’s not a black or white thing for me but there are players left out of the history of these sports.

@@Hardveur7 specifically the word super bowl doesn't work because it wasn't invented yet. But the browns can absolutely claim they've been world champions

They've been recognized for decades. But that's a far cry from pretending posthumously integrating them.

Hard to claim records when MLB themselves don't even know his true numbers.

You can look into it but it's not that interesting of an examination since it's largely comparable to whatever the contemporary and readily available MLB stats of that time are. The thing about the Negro Leagues is that its several leagues over the course of several decades. The earliest data being from the Negro National League in 1920 and the latest data coming from the Negro American League in 1948.

Where they belong

@@medarby3066 So ray cisms isn't bad, as as long as it's against whites? Sounds about right. You don't want equality, just to be the oppressor.

Ofcourse. Another public ceremony to honor the country's make-a-wish demographic. Some need boosts in life & it's not their fault they're the way they are.

Cry harder. They were scared to play us

Your complaints are talked about in this video that you clicked on to make this comment.

Maybe if you people weren't afraid of a skin pigment... 😂

@@davruck1

The negro league was just as good/if not better than the mlb

They were always part of the story however no these stats are not the same league and thus nobody in reality will count them

In the 77 years since integration, only two US-born black pitchers have made it into the Baseball HOF based on their MLB careers. We pretend that these were separate but equal entities. In no way was that true. And the nut of the issue - the record-keeping - was notoriously lacking and sketchy in the Negro League. There's a reason people name the same half dozen or so players whenever they bring up the league. Sadly, it was a sign of things to come that integration killed something that had been pretty successful for its community, just as happened in the 60s when so many black businesses, etc., disappeared for the same reasons.

In my opinion, I feel Williams should be higher on this list, especially since he basically missed 3 prime years that could have only improved his numbers (also missed 2 more later due to Korea). In addition, even though the fenway park pole down the right field is the shortest, it also juts out to the farthest point out of all MLB stadiums.

@@HbAz783V That's certainly a fair point but it's just my personal list as a fan. And as i like to say what the hell do i know lol

I'd likely have to go Williams, Ruth or Gehrig because if the power aspect as well as hitting for high career averages. Paige gets all the buzz, but he only started at least 20 games once in his career, and only threw 100 innings in a season six times. Like Gibson and his 2500 career plate appearances, the sample size is just too small, which is ironic considering how long Paige pitched. Then again, if I was averaging 80 innings a year ... 🤣

@@cobbler88 Paige pitched forever it seemed like to me and maybe i bought into the myth and legend mor than what was actually documented. And not taking anything away from Williams but based on what i've read about him Joe Jackson was the most pure hitter. I base that off of stats and the statement Ruth made himself calling Jackson the best hitter he had ever seen . We'll never know what kind of numbers he could have put up if he had been able to have a full career.

@robertredmon5409 It's not like Jackson only played a handful of seasons. He probably had at least another 5 years in him, but he did play 13 MLB seasons. 2) I have no reason to believe Ruth was lying, but what is a "pure hitter"? It's almost like nailing down "most valuable" but we've been using the phrases forever. 🤣 I throw Williams ahead of him because of "recency" and the combination of being able to hit for average and power while maintaining low K percentages and not being juiced to the gills like more modern guys. Jackson had much better speed. I just like my offense a little more mixed up. You're more at ease throwing to the guy who will only make you pay with a double. As far as FAVORITE players, that's a different conversation. Take care.

All they have to do is alter his stats like they've been doing. I mean, nobody even knows his true numbers anyhow. Easy to manipulate and alter his stats when nobody knows.

BLASPHEMY. ACCORDING TO MLB , AFTER MUCH ANALYSIS. JOSH GIBBS IS A BETTER HITTER. SO COPE🤣😂

@@SaySpawn According to MLB Gibson hit .42 points better than the best liveball era record. And they act like it's the same league.

You mean the black category. That’s what you want to say.

@@DMalltheway in the league that they were in. the major leagues dont include japanese league stats either.

@@Hardveur7 We aren’t talking about the Japanese league. Stay on topic.

@@Hardveur7 MLB includes leagues that existed prior to the mlb as discussed in the video.

@@Hardveur7 Stay on topic, the Negro league isn’t the Japanese league.

I think you’re making a fair point.. except the Moon comparison, because he played in an actual lesser league.. and I think that’s the sentiment/conclusion being made here: the Negro League wasn’t a lesser league, talent-wise.. I don’t think this is the absolute best way of handling the situation.. but I also don’t see it as something to be upset about.. the leagues didn’t have to/get to play against each other.. so I think it goes both ways in terms of “validity” of stats and crowns.. and now that the MLB is the surviving version, they’re doing their part to record history as equally as they can, pulling stats from an unequal time.. I think as long as the names of the teams and leagues are next to player names and stats, people won’t get “confused” as to what they conclude (and there’s allowed to be grey area).. like, if someone, in their heart, wants to hold on to Cobb as the BA leader, I don’t think there’s anything stopping them.. but I think having the best ball players of the day side by side in the annals of history is a worthwhile endeavor.. And if we want to be mad at something, we can direct that towards the people who separated the sport/society.. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them being historically chastised and acknowledging that their messy way of living resulted in a mess.. they cost the Negro League players in the short run and apparently, the MLB players in the long run.. that’s what inequity does - no one “wins” lol.. so stuff like this should encourage us to live in a way and treat each other in a way that the future will respect..

And if we had more food world hunger would be solved

If my grandma had wheels she’d be a bike

@@Ccthomas-ks1hnyes bc ur analogy is equal to the op’s comment.

They are different leagues… is that hard to comprehend or what?

@@naeroled yea it was meant to be a stupid analogy bud. Glad you got it

Never. This is travesty enough for one lifetime. Allowing Harold Baines in the HOF was bad enough. 🤣

And at your comment😂

“Everyone who disagrees with me is racist” That cope died in 2020 after Kirby robbed that pregnant woman

⁠@@GurtiusMaximushe’s saying some racist people will disagree with this. Not that all people who disagree with this are racist. Your inability to see the nuance says something though.

@@leastselfawarepotassiumthis is simply the nba adding ABA stats which they should

@@leastselfawarepotassiumwell you can explain further i would love to hear the debate thats kinda what comments are for

Blame the Landis and the white owners for Gibson only having 2500 at bats. If you want to taint Gibson's stats, we can taint Cobbs stats because he never faced black pitchers

@davidstewart799 it don't matter two completely diffrent leagues! So Ichro is the hit king since he played pro ball in Japan! Lol this is a complete joke and another way for the woke left to erase history!

@@justinmosher6557 What does the NPB have to do with American Baseball?

@@mmonkeyman1403 the Negro league has nothing to do with the MLB!

Not only that, but only 2500 PLATE APPEARANCES over his career.

Who's records should have asterisks

He had more strikeouts but those records are incomplete. They only recorded 11 as strikeouts

In a league that wasn’t the mlb lmao this can’t be reality here rn people can’t be this stupid

@@VictorRodriguez-yg4lw but we are going to trust all the other stats? He also only played 40-60 games a year, he would not have enough AB to qualify for a league batting title or be recognized as an all-time leader in BA since you need 5000 Plate appearances and he only has something like 2100 . This is affirmative action baseball.

@@tucsonbandit I agree 100% with you! It’s a joke! I was just stating why only 11 k’s

@@tucsonbandit If you take all of his career plate appearances, he wouldn't have even played 5 full seasons in MLB, given the average PAs for starters at the time. And Satchel Paige only started 20 games in a season once in 22 years. He averaged less than 80 innings per season.

Josh Gibson's prime started at age 21 in 1933. Over his 14-year career, he went to the plate 2526 times. In four seasons from 1933 to 1936, Lou Gehrig - who had a 17-year career - stepped up to the plate 2,769 times. Satchel Paige only started as many as 20 games in a single season once (he completed 3 of them), and averaged only 80 innings per season for his 22-year career. He threw 1751.2 IP over his 22 seasons. Bob Feller threw more than 1900 innings in his six full seasons bracketing the 3 years he left baseball to fight in WWII, and he finished at least 20 games every one of those seasons, finishing more than 30 of them twice. To be honest, if we're going to include the stats, we need to start kicking some of the NAL players out of the HOF based on small sample size.

Shut up, 🤡

stay mad

Great analogy

I mean, they let Harold Baines into the HOF, so they have a track record of stupid things happening in pro baseball.

They weren't woke enough to pretend the 2 leagues were equal before. It took awhile but they finally ignored reality to make some people happy.

@@Tyrannis07 And, like Hollywood driving away traditional fans to try to bring in microscopic groups that have no history of going to their films, how's that going to work out?! 🤣

A league so terrible that it produced numerous MVPs in the MLB?

Likewise, MLB competition was watered down as well with that logic during that era.

@@nicklesf6566 Not to the same degree, and it wasn't even close. People act like total clown white players were holding onto jobs while super-powered NBL players were being kept out. It was basically trading a white .270 hitter for a black .280 hitter in most cases. Whereas in NBL, guys who hit .280 against MLB pitching were hitting .375 or better against NBL pitching. And that's taking the best 2 or 3 players from each NBL team: The rest were left unemployed after 1951. And those were the guys these new "major league" stats were being recorded against. The Dodgers added Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella & Don Newcombe and their team batting average and team wins went down. League-wide there was basically no change from 1946-1956 in runs scored or team ERAs after integration. The only difference was black players who deserved to play were getting the chance.

THE NEGRO LEAGUE PLAYED AGAINST THE MLB ALL STARS OVER 50 TIMES. GUESS WHO WON MOST OF THE GAMES. THE NEGRO LEAGUE.🤡🤣😂

Satchel Paige is regarded as the best pitcher ever, he played in the Mlb at 44 years old and dominated.🤡😂

They also counted their exhibition games against local factory teams and pick-up games on barnstorming tours. It's ridiculous.

COPE🤣😂🫵

​@@Tyrannis07COPE 🤣😂 NOBODY told them to ban black players. If they weren't racist, this wouldnt be a debate in the first place 💯

@@SaySpawn It wouldn't be a debate if people used common sense instead of their feels. You have one side using statistical analysis and the other side using skin color & emotions. I'll post comparable batting averages and some clown's response will be "COPE". It's like trying to explain to a kindergartener.

Gibson's sample size of plate appearances is just too small. It's barely equal to 5 MLB seasons. But the times being what they are, you're likely not going to hear in-depth discussion. The fact of the matter is that record keeping was notoriously bad in NAL, and score keeping wasn't exactly standardized. The numbers are likely nowhere close to what they would have been had they had MLB score keepers doing the games. And it's a tough claim either way to say that the average NAL player wasn't good enough for MLB. I would say that the differences between the top and bottom of the rosters in MLB would have narrowed a little with integration, but we greatly exaggerate how much less of a career players like Ruth would have had.

Right! They kept the best players away to protect the pilgrims 😂😂😂

that seems like there’s no contradiction at all. they’ve already been receiving recognition for decades now.

They couldn’t.

Mlb guys never had to face them either

@@luckilew Most leagues who don't play in the MLB can't play in the MLB either, crazy I know. You don't see Japan's stats being integrated and their players are arguably better than ours to this day.

@@thatboy3930 thats a different country.