Nathan Statler I used to believe that too, but in hindsight with the Astros ordeal and now this failure to make a cohesive, mutual agreement between the owners and the players, I begin to see that he is not nearly the best commissioner.
I work for the Production team for the South Bend Cubs, the loss of a Low A team like mine would mean I would lose my job I went to college for. Thanks MLB and billionaires
@@jonahdecory3958 Well when the US Congress, most of the fans, MiLB as a whole, individual MiLB teams, and players hate Rob Manfred, no one can defend him
I was in High School and I remember asking my Coach why the MLB had so many Rounds. It used to be 50 and then they shortened it to 40. And my Coach told me the most sobering/depressing thing you could tell a young Baseball Player... He said players drafted in the 20th Round and up aren’t there to make the Big Leagues. They’re just there because the Player who was Drafted in the 1st Round needs someone to play with. So let’s say this years drafted had the usual 40 Rounds, and let’s say the Mariners drafted some Catcher in the 32nd Round. That Player isn’t there because the Mariners expect him to be the Starting Catcher in Seattle one day. He’s only there because Emerson Hancock (RHP the Mariners took in the 1st Round) needs someone to catch for him. That was one of the most sobering/depressing things I’ve ever heard...
THENATECRATE actually he was very up front and said it was wrong he was rude to Beli because he called Altuve, Correa and the rest of the Astros out and Correa defended them
Well it’s going to be the 2021 season after how this negotiation has gone. One thing is for sure the players are going to want Manfred’s head as just the starting point after the bad faith negotiations ownership conducted.
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MLB wasted the greatest opportunity they ever had to be the biggest show in town and grow their fan base. Now they've committed suicide.
As WWE and UFC have shown there was no audience gain to be had in this and as team sport case reporting has shown it was never really possible to grow in this environment.
If you were to go from college to Triple-A to the majors college players need to get rid of metal bats metal and wooden are two different animals never understood why they use metal bats in the first place
Definitely see the second pathway happening, NHL NBA and MLS teams only have 1 or 2 direct affiliates and MLB could definitely want to see the same system implemented.
Just a thought, but MLB forcing out 40 some odd minor league teams is just going to create an even stronger independent league system. High quality stadiums, baseball ready markets, a lot of out of work talented ball players. You can bet that someone is going to take advantage of that and create new independent leagues that absorb all of those former MiLB markets.
I think you are right MLB wants what football and basketball have major national minor league sports that promotes their league and develops players for them for free.
It's just sad that a lot of small town american cities will lose their minor league teams. Living close to a milb team is what gives a lot of kids the interest to play the game. I just feel like cutting a lot of those milb teams will hurt baseballs popularity especially in the midwest and the south.
I’d like to talk about how terrible getting rid of 42 MiLB teams is. I mean like you said 42 communities are losing teams. Let take Arkansas for example, other than two MiLB teams all we have are collegiate sports
Is there any evidence that Rob “just a piece of metal” Manfred even likes baseball? Anyway, he’s now saying he’s “not confident” there will be baseball in 2020. Didn’t he just guarantee it a few days ago? How quickly he changes his tune. 🤡 🤡 🤡
My idea for a season Keep in mind this idea will try to protect the players but still have a exciting season First Off: each stadium will have fans with a 33% capacity since some states are reopening (unpopular opinion I know) 100 games (only played against division opponents) and an All Star game will be at the end of the season right before the World Series 4 divisions based on geography (2 divisions of 7 and 2 of 8) 4 teams from each division will make the playoffs and ALL playoff games will be in the California region because Cali has 5 MLB teams (5 game series for division semifinals and 7 for the division finals and beyond) Each player will get paid a prorated contract for 80-90 games since there will no fans and the owners won’t do a full salery since the owners are greedy shits (aka; 80-90% prorated salary) The regular season will start in late July and end in mid November and the postseason will go from late November to late December with a shorter offseason to prepare for 2021 Each MLB team has a 40 man roster and a 25 man practice squad whole season since there is no minor league season and they should have the chance to prove themselves Do you guys agree reply if you do or don’t because I think this is a good idea and i know this is a long comment lmao 😂
Hold up... so the top International draft signings? What happens there if they delete Single-A and Double-A? Wouldn't that cause a large decrease in numbers of young Latin American talent?
this would mean that Stockton and Modesto which are in the Central Valley of California and not just a pretty boring place to live despite high populations, but quite a dangerous area to live in will no longer have minor league baseball teams.
I say keep it 4 1 reason the international players. I believe some countries in Latin America MLB academies they start at young age. I think it's 13 or 16. A lot them get drafted at young age. European pro sports teams use academies to help develop players at young ages. A lot these up coming players in Latin America don't play college baseball.
The big problem with Path 2 (which, I agree, is where we are heading; not where we should head, but where we are headed) is aluminum. The college and pro rules in basketball or football are not so different that you can't fairly evaluate talent - the same is not true in baseball simply because of what the bats are made of. Convincing the NCAA to switch to wood is probably the owner's hardest sell in their path.
Sadly baseball is dying and with Rob Manfred as commissioner it ain't getting better. Fun fact: the average baseball fan is 57 years old. Now that's scary! Let the kids play already!
I love going to see my local A affiliate Rome Braves (despite being a Phillies fan) every so often but I would MUCH rather see college baseball gain importance, with an FBS FCS type split perhaps replacing what was AA and A. I’d love to see the passion that the SEC has for football come to baseball and with so many freaking Braves fans around the South, I think it’s feasible if there was less of a gap between college and MLB.
Path 2. Sure a lot of players would lose their jobs, but if this is taken at a gradual approach it could help the game for the future. Baseball’s popularity is diminishing and it’s more important than ever to grow the game. This would not only sky rocket the popularity of college baseball but as well help create more young stars in the process. People will watch these guys develop in college and bring hype to the draft, after a year or less in the minors they would be up with the big league squad.
@@nickvowels8239 I actually agree with you. Not a fan of Manfred myself but this particular plan is something I have thought of as a way for the mlb to better engage with the youth. In addition, if college baseball starts using wooden bats, it could reduce the gap between the pro and amateur levels for the batters
Just looking back at what happened to Kyler Murray speaks a lot about the general perception young talented players have towards baseball as a career path. Baseball must invest more in college baseball.
If the affiliated minors are cut down, the independent minors will fill the gap. Independent leagues will experience a boom, with plenty of quality players available, and with cities and towns that have been contracted out of the affiliated minors being eager to retain baseball.
@West Texas Rain Possibly, but not if they go with the 2nd option Dawson Wright mentioned, it's college, AAA then the Majors, no double AA or single A, they'd rather the colleges pay for the players initial development and medical insurance (a big expense no one talks about) while the owners only pay for AAA and MLB and get rid of the low minors altogether. It would save them a billion+ a year to not pay for hundreds of facilities, coaches and managers plus the players, buses, uniforms, umpires and you name it. The owners woulds save $millions each a year per team by not supporting all that. As for International players I'm sure they wouldn't mind have minor ball in the Dominican Republic for them, lot cheaper than here without certain pesky Labor laws to deal with, fly them into the DR from other countries, then if they're good bring them up to AAA. Now do I see that happening, not really because it is bad optics, but MLB has shown in the past that they don't care about looking bad for awhile until it blows over, so I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly, if an owner figures it will save him millions of dollars a year, I wouldn't put it past the owners to implement a scheme like that.
I've been a fan of MLB since childhood, and yet the hardest/saddest moment for me would be the elimination of the MiLB teams, especially the team (and subsequent short season league) I now live in. Oh and the St. Paul Saints were rumored to be joining the MiLB in the proposed agreement. Currently, it is independently owned & one of its biggest shareholders is Mike Veeck, son of innovative MLB owner Bill Veeck. If the plans of MLB completely taking over are true, how fitting that history could repeat itself where MLB could take a team away from Mike as the AL owners pretty much did with Bill (owner of St. Louis Browns who then sold his team to Baltimore & then owners fabricated that everything was cool between them & Veeck).
By eliminating low A and even double A doesn't make sense to me. If college becomes the prominent choice for player development what happens to having young talent on mlb teams going foward? If you require players to first be in college by the time they reach the majors they'll be 21-22 years old and we all know that a lot of the career records needed those 18-21 years to add to their stats. For instance if you take 3 years off Trout's (19-21) resume would he have 3 MVP's right now? I doubt it.
I would remove all minor league affitations and have a separate underleague where after a few years can be drafted directly to an MLB team like the NFL and NBA. It would require a few additional roster spots and remove some minor league clubs but it would make the league more appealing and the draft more worthwhile.
Baseball will absolutely die without the minors Most baseball fans are formed through watching MiLB. Casual fans stay with the game because of their local team And most kids play baseball because, while it is impossibly hard, 40 rounds makes it seem possible to reach the majors.
Actually there will still be a 5th level - low rookie ( Gulf Coast and Arizona leagues). They need this low level ball primarily for foreign players who are signed as young as 16. Also the minimum MLB would likely go with is AA and AAA. AAA is more a holding area for veteran players in case there are injuries on the MLB roster. AA is where most of the top prospects play. Often if you see a top prospect at AAA it's in order to manipulate his service time.
One glaring question that you missed is how would teams be able to draft players from other countries? Such as Puerto Rico,Venezuela, Japan to name a few
There's the international signing period for players from other countries. Every team has a certain amount of $ they can use to sign international players. Players can sign with whatever team makes them the best offer.
I really hope that isn't what happens to the minors living in the Baltimore/DC area there are so many teams to go watch including the minor leagues but Manfred needs to be fired at the end of the day.
while think the first should be done the only AAA cant they need slots for 15-16 internationals unless chg age keep in latin america longer get in the draft at 18 or get them into colleges/junior colleges which you fail to say like pujols did
The issue with the second situation, is now feeding the “D1 or bust” stereotype at the HS/college level. Plus, whatever governing body sponsors baseball wouldn’t allow for a season to be played in the summer. As that would kill the college summer leagues
Yea and most of them have unique features or ones the mimic fan favorites from the MLB. My local team's stadium was intentionally placed so the there was a river that home runs could land in with the state capitol sitting perfectly in the background of center field
It is now February, the MiLB system of the past is now destroyed in favor of a new 120 team system with all historic leagues within dissolved in favor of geographical names (probably will be sponsored). What do you think will happen now?
all of us in this room should band together and buy/save/organize all the dropped minor teams and starting building on a 20 year plan to XFL the MLB, but succeed.
How many NFL minor league teams are there? What is the popularity of the NFL versus MLB? Does Wright watch NFL football with no NFL minor team in his area? Are the Minor Leagues in place to give less talented players that will never make the Majors a summer time job for 10-15 years?
I wouldn't mind them cutting some of the bottom MILB teams if it means that money was reallocated to the rest of MILB teams to make sure players are actually given a living wage... But we all know that's not going to happen.
I hope baseball takes this opportunity to aggressively change the game. Some of the changes I would like to see: 1. An aggressive realignment of the divisions. Let's put teams like Yankees/Mets, White Sox/Cubs... basically obvious geographical rivalries in the same division instead of having them in completely opposite leagues. 2. No more extra inning games. The games are already too long. When I was a huge diehard baseball purist I didn't mind a 16 inning game that ended 1-0, but I don't like that anymore and neither do most other people. Play 9 innings, which is already a marathon, and if it's tied let's have a homerun derby at the end. Kinda like how soccer or hockey ends in penalty kicks and shootouts. 3. Stop with the "unwritten rules of baseball." You sound like a bunch of crybabies making $10million and then whining that someone stopped and stared at the ball going over the fence for 4 seconds. Every other sport in America has guys showboating after a touchdown, hanging on the rim after a massive dunk, or the goofy celebrations after scoring a goal, but baseball has these stupid "unwritten rules" that say you can't toss your bat after you hit a homerun without some overpaid jackass crying about it. Let the players celebrate and have a good time. If you don't like it, don't give up a 500 foot dinger. 4. Bring back collisions. I'm sorry Buster Posey got hurt, but in a "non contact sport" I think it's awesome to see a guy running over the catcher or sliding hard into second base to break up a double play. 5. Either get rid of the DH or have it in both leagues. Just pick one, but let's keep it the same across baseball. 6. Salary cap. Teams need to be somewhat fiscally equal. Not only does there need to be a maximum that can be spent, but also a minimum. Hopefully that'll keep things equal and limit a teams ability to tank for better draft picks or essentially trying to buy a championship. 7. Minor league system... you've got rookie level, class A Short season, Low A, High A, AA, AAA, Arizona Fall League... how many levels of baseball do we really need? How bout this... get rid of the ones that don't make any money. I remember going to AA Memphis Chicks games when I was a kid and watching Michael Jordan play baseball at Tim McCarver Stadium when he was with the Barons. All of those games sold out. Any other games you could get a ticket almost anywhere in the stadium because it was mostly empty. Not many people were showing up to watch Bob "The Hammer" Hamlin and a minor league affiliate of a middling Kansas City Royals. The team eventually moved to Jackson TN becoming what is now the Jackson Generals, and Memphis landed the AAA Memphis Redbirds and built the fantastic Autozone Park. There's certainly a place in this world for minor league baseball, but I'd be willing to bet you could axe half of the teams and most people wouldn't notice. 8. 162 games is one outrageously long season. I don't think it'll ever happen, but I'd rather the season be 100 games at the most. College football teams have some of the largest stadiums in the world. How many home games do they play? 7? 8?? Know why people are willing to go to a college football game and sit at the very top of a 100,000 seat stadium? Because there's a very limited number of opportunities to do so. Baseball has the longest season with the longest games. I'd rather have a shorter season with shorter games and more fans in attendance. 9. Less day games. I've always been a Cubs fan and maybe I'm a little biased in my opinion here because the Cubs always had more day games than anyone for years because they didn't have stadium lights. I remember the 1998 season I would skip school to watch the Cubs play day games while I was enthralled with the homerun chase. I don't think I'll ever be as absorbed by baseball as I was back then. I'm certainly not going to skip anything in life now to watch a 4 hour baseball game that starts at 2:05 on a Thursday. 10. Do something to make the draft relevant. This year was the first time the mlb draft has even sniffed main stream relativity and that's because it was only 5 rounds. We all love hearing the stories of Mark Grace being a 24th rounder and Mike Piazza being drafted in the 62nd round... Why, oh why did they have 62 rounds? But don't we also cringe at the story of a Mark Appel? Or even Mark Prior? The length of the draft before this year was 40 rounds. Teams are just trying to find that diamond in the rough, but they've also got this thing called "undrafted free agent." If they keep the rounds short and eliminate a lot of the minor league, maybe we can see some of these first round guys before they spend 5 years in the minors. Players that don't get drafted can still sign with a team, but the draft actually means something in other sports, unlike baseball where it means absolutely nothing to the casual fan that just watches games occasionally. So there's 10 things I'd like to see baseball do and hopefully, if the 2020 season truly is lost, maybe they can use that time to improve the game.
I stopped watching baseball when the Expos got screwed out of their World Series (Strike) and then they moved out of Montreal....all major League sports are dead to me now.
All minor league teams should be independent teams. If the San Jose Giants weren't just an SF Giants affiliate, they'd be my favorite team no question. MLB should just worry about itself and not try to controll the entire sport in this country.
Won’t shortening the gap between college and the majors just decrease the level of play in the majors? It’s a terrible idea that will hurt the most important level of baseball more than anything
Theres too many restrictions on the players contracts. Theyre taking advantage of control to push down wages for peak players and only players that actually benefit are the lucky guys that get bad overlong overpriced contracts...
I think the former minor league teams will change to independent baseball in cities/towns that can support them. Thus giving MLB a free development system they don’t have to manage or hear people complain about the low salaries.
what about international free agents. Most of them would never develop if put directly in AAA. imagine if the Yankees put Jasson Dominguez in AAA today, he would never become the star he's expected to be
What exactly good is Manfred doing for baseball?? It's not as popular anymore. Manfred's attempts are just making it frustrating for actual fans. A lot of teams struggle with attendance. I'm just wondering how broadcasting negotiations will go soon. Are ratings still high enough that networks like Fox, ESPN or Turner are still willing to pay billions??
I’m an open minded baseball fan. Yes, Minor League Baseball getting smaller is a big loss for fans in certain communities. However, I also think MILB is too crowded. If every MLB team had just AAA, AA, and High A, I would be ok with that. As long as MLB tries to relocate teams to have baseball in as many places as possible. I do see the benefits of this over time, maybe it is just me haha
Damn I’m sorry to hear that, if they take away AA that would include mine and honestly I would stop caring about the sport, I like baseball because of how deep it goes and they’re taking that away
The idea of taking out the lower minor league teams is TERRIBLE because what if there are future MLB stars on those teams and their opportunity is taken away from them. Well, if this is the case then Rob Manfred in my opinion will be marked THE WORST COMMISSIONER OF ALL TIME. Rob Manfred really needs to get is head out of his butt if Major League Baseball will ever be good again.👎👎👎👎👎
Maybe I'm completely insane but I can actually see the elimination of low level MiLB possibly being a positive thing. Most minor league players are already being paid less than they would make flipping burgers or bagging groceries part time, for a full time job that they've already trained their whole lives for, and doesn't allow them to keep any other kind of job. Most low level MiLB players will never get to so much as sniff a Major League field, so what's the point in keeping them around? Yeah a lot of towns will lose their Minor League teams but if there's a market for baseball in those areas then new independent leagues and teams will spring up to fill that need and those teams will, by necessity, allow their players to play closer to home and hold down jobs for most of the year while still giving them the possibility of advancing their baseball careers.
