Mo-Fi SourcePoint 8, better than SourcePoint 10? 

Here a recap of my systems: HIFI SYSTEM Turntable: Technics SL 1200 mk5 by Mr.1200 (rewired arm, rca socket, external power supply) + Ortofon RS-309D 12" tonearm on an Acoustand plinth. Cartridge: Ortofon SPU #1E, Nagaoka MP-110 MC step up transformer: Auditorium23 MM phono preamp: Fezz Audio Gaia Mini CD player: Technics SL-P1200 Streamer: Primare NP5 Prisma DAC: Audio Exklusiv P0.8 Cassette tape: Braun C301M Preamplifier: Shindo Mazeris Bellevus Model 454 Power Amp: Decware Zen Triode SE84UFO On the bench: Amp Camp Amp and Reisong A10 SPEAKERS: Altec horn/Onken system: - Altec 414-16C woofer - Altec 802 mid driver on Altec 511B horn - JBL 2404 tweeter - Werner Jagusch crossovers TV SYSTEM Preamp: Rotel RC-972 DAC: Rotel rdp-980 CD player: Rotel rdd-980 Power amps: Rotel RMB-100 monoblocks Speakers: Jbl 4530 + JBL 2426J on 2370A horn DJ CONSOLLE - Technics SL-1200 mk2 - Technics SL-DZ1200 cd player - Allen & Heath Xone 23 mixer

Complimenti davvero! 😄🇮🇹

Great system! What are you collecting/listening too/Dj’ing?

Sick ass system!!

Stunning mate... You've created a very special room..thanks for sharing :D

The one crux of Steve's reviews appears to be just what sounded best with his stuff. Now ... that ... is telling. The Source Point 8 sounded bigger with my stuff. But if you change and input source you know, everything changes. But what we needs is the best possible electrical match for each speaker and then comparing them side by side with not the same source, but the same CD or record played on ideal source equipment and then ... say well, that system was not as good as this system.

​@@keplermissionI'd argue it's more room difference than anything

That cd deck alone is killer

I know right. Been a Patreon for years

Saying any bad word against any product would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

I like your plan!

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner comes to mind. The mail order contraptions that never work as hoped

@@keplermission I started diy'ing hifi because a lot of commercial components don't deliver, break, and/or offer terrible value for money. Like if Coyote stopped buying acme crap and built his own traps:)

@@peterlarkin762 The Douk Audio ST-01 is Amazon's take on the Dayton Audio HTA 100 BTA. In the movie Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood, they mention 'The Duck of Death', Douk, Douk of death.

2 of the other speakers Steve runs the comparison against are half the price of the SourcePoint 8's.

Welcome!

Not that I know of, of course everything else makes a difference: the room, the electronics, your listening position, your mood, etc.

Nope. Just buy them and compare them yourself.

@@keplermission thanks Steve

@@seanb3303 You know ... I have two systems I've compared for years and you know, I mean you really you should buy all these things and just compare them yourself with different sources and in different systems. A speaker might take years to sound good because you have the wrong source or amplifier. Now what good is there of Steve reviewing your choice of affordable dainties?

@@keplermission I definitely have zero interest in your opinion my friend 😉

@@seanb3303 Zero funds too. Very sad. 🤕

I bet the stands look much better in black vs white. The white makes them stand out more.

Pass HPA 1

White was all they had in stock when the speakers were shipped to me. I'm sure black would be nicer.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Black definitely would be nicer. And on top of that, Steven, if you turn them right side up, they'll be even better looking. Seriously, I just checked their website, seems to me that you have them facing the wrong way forward :D

No the smaller diameter of any speaker the wider the dispersion and the Source Point 10 is going to have poorer dispersion but you know, is the 10's x-over point lower? You know ... how good a designer is Old Bones?

Steve wanted to congratulate Andrew I guess. I have the Uni-Fi Reference, less than 1/2 in price. Very happy with these for my room and needs.

@@1Hiprascal i also have them and am happy with them. I just think the comparison doesn't maky any sense and it doesn't add anything. The one with the bigger model within the same brand and range does for example, specially because Steve thinks this one's better and that's something one's not expecting.

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@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Quick service, Thanks Steve.

It's Daniele 😂

Next level innit!

@@sitomdd then Daniele

@@EMP698 You can edit your OP you know? Also in case you aren’t aware. Daniele and @sitopiazza are the same guy.

I'll just say this, the S 400 is a better, more complete sounding speaker. Or another way of saying it the reference sounds undernourished by comparison.

Why uses decimals for 1000's? Type $700 like a normal functioning adult.

@@enjoshi-godrez8775Maybe in your country. Everything in his comment is using 1000 as reference. Looks logical to me.

@@hopje01 there is no country that uses a decimal based system for every 1000 of a currency. We switch to 1k, 2k, etc *because the number becomes larger and larger to write* . $0.7k is longer than $700.

@@hopje01 nobody types something like $0.7k unless they are deeply autistic.

@@enjoshi-godrez8775 Yes because individuality is completely verboten in a Fascist society right? Grow up pal. Let it go. And MYOB! ✌️

Smaller speakers are usually lower sensitivity than larger speakers.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Higher sensitivity in the larger diameter but smoke and mirrors because the inertia point is lower in the smaller diameter. What does it mean? Well the Damping Factor and power of the three amplifiers Steve used for the Mo-Fi 8 probably suit it better than what he'd used for the Mo-Fi 10. The question would be whether the 10 is capable of sounding as good as the 8? That' questionable, it has 40 watts more handling than the 8 and despite higher sensitivity its inertia point is higher. Steve is not really being exhaustive in testing.

@@keplermission No he’s doing subjective listening tests. The way most people buy speakers. Some of us actually only care about how they sound, and not how great the measurements are. And not everyone is going to go through the process of learning the acoustics of their room, and learning loudspeaker design, etc. In fact most are not. So you’re basically asking him to cater to a much smaller audience of measurement inclined people. Which is horrible advice for his career. There’s already people on here that do that sort of thing anyway. Erin’s Audio Corner is where you should check out for that type of content. ✌️

@@amb3cog You know NEC of Japan put the IFCAT system in their amplifiers to cope with higher speaker sensitivity's extra big back e.m.f. and that was with a 91.5db SPL, 8 ohm. You see higher sensitivity speakers need amplifiers designed to cope with back emf and medium sensitivity speakers despite their lower inertia still need more current and usually have a round transformer to supply it. I mean subjective listening tests you know, has to be qualified into classes of speaker and amplifier because what sound bad with your connected stuff may in fact be good with the manufacturer's intended equipment. You know?

It would be, if I had one here to compare!

Pass HPA 1 and LTA ZOTL

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@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac ❤

90 dB

Andrew Jones has no loyalty to any company. Offer any kind of money and he'll jump ship gladly.

Then don’t buy it Jog on

@@_fakeklg An intent to buy the product under review is not a prerequisite for commenting.

@@edd2771 fantastic That’s nice 👍

@@_fakeklg No worries there.

Huh? He has to have the speaker to compare it. Heck he has to hear it to compare it. Has he even heard that speaker? And if so when? Two years ago? Our acoustic memory is horrible. He can’t compare everything basically. Simple as that really. ✌️

@@amb3cog an Andrew Jones design wirh similar pricing...oh well

@@joeldavis4766 Not trying to be rude. But, are you intellectually challenged? This isn't rocket surgery. It's very simple. To compare two things he has to hear them both, and he hasn't. So he can't possibly compare them. End of story. ✌️

All concentric driver speakers are designed to be listened off axis. I forget the exact reason. But it’s due to the design. Erin from Erin’s Audio Corner explains this in his videos. I recommend you have a look. You’ll understand this all a lot better after doing so. ✌️

@@amb3cog diffraction where the tweeter waveguide meets the woofer. 10 degrees off axis is perfect for these, as per Erin's measurements.

Good question. I will pose one answer on behalf of a small percentage of the population. I have KEF LS50 and Tannoy Cheviots. I never liked the sound of any 3-way tower speaker I ever heard (except my old Allison Three's) -- I owned 4 and listened to dozens. They sound disjointed, abrasive. My ear doc said I am probably one of the few people who are ultra-sensitive to timing and phase errors inherent in 3-way towers. As soon as I listened to point source (or dual concentric), my problem was immediately solved. It made a HUGE difference to my ears. Point source speakers eliminate certain frequency interference problems near the crossover point, because regular speakers have different drivers playing the same frequencies but are different distances from your ears.. There are more and more concentric speakers being developed. Zu in Utah. Spatial Audio. Cabasse, etc, etc. For floor standers, Tannoy are the best followed by Zu. KEF is good for stand speakers.

Differences in crossover and cabinet design will produce different sound. And the drivers may be similar in type doesn't mean they sound the same. After all, not all 6 inch cone woofers sound alike!

@@HAL9007how do you like the Cheviots? How do they compare to the LS50? Warmer?

Designer Andrew Jones explains that he went for 8" or 10" to be able to reduce excursion (which was important because the woofer is behaving as a waveguide for the tweeter in the middle).

@@syr1964 In my setup the LS50W's sound brutally honest, they reveal every detail and imperfection, so you need good sources. They also image like banshees. The Cheviots are my faves -- dynamic, warmish, lush, detailed -- like playing a good analog system. I have really good sources and electronics for it -- Sonore and PS Audio.This setup sounds as good as any TT system I've heard. I play both speakers with subwoofer -- KC62 for the LS50W's and REL T/7i for the Cheviots -- they make a big diff.

Well you know, Steve didn't try wrapping them with a sheet and telling us if the speakers sounded any different. I mean if you have to shift a product ... give it a helping hand and I thought Steve never gave negative reviews? Well there you are.

@@keplermission Thanks for watching!

I'd paint those stands black ASAP.

@@pnichols6500Agree…I’m sure the black versions would look a bit better.

Because we’re not all in the same size room. I can’t do big towers for instance. They’ll boom. And because stand mounts and subs have better bass overall. Which means better everything. Except for scale and dynamics. But they’re much better at imaging, and soundstage. And just present the music in a much tighter way. Pick your poison. ✌️

@@amb3cog Thanks for the reply. I guess...pick your poison? My Tannoy's (in combination with my Rogue Audio Sphinx V3 hybrid tube/integrated) amp have great imaging and soundstage. Although, I believe you're correct about the room. I'm blessed to have a nice big rectangular room. I believe that the room is actually the most significant part of a "sound system".

@@zizendorf It’s just an expression. I think you’re looking too far into it. There was no alternative meaning or anything other than pick what works for you. They’re choices. And they’re designed to be appealing to all customers. Which one product has trouble doing. Even Apple had to break down and admit that themselves. So they released different size phones. These companies are trying to make money. So they give the consumers what they want, and many people prefer stand mounted speakers. While many prefer floor mounted. Hence both. Take your pick. ✌️

I would love subs and large bookshelves, but I don't have the space or the budget... Towers are excellent value in this regard, and it really depends on the room. Boomy towers are often helped by cushions against the back wall, distance from wall and placing them on pucks, granite or thick MDF.

@@peterlarkin762 Agreed! With my room's size and configuration, I love that I've got the space to have my towers a full 3 feet away from the back and side walls. It makes a huge difference. As a result, my Tannoy's don't need a sub-woofer.

It's a super popular speaker, so it's relatable by a lot of my viewers. .

The time has come today!

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac ^ The Chambers Brothers ( 👏👏)

The Sourcepoint 888 has been announced, questioned and answered lol.

Almost nothing sounds good near a wall. Have a male friend talk with his back up against the wall, and then have them move two feet away from the wall and continue talking, then 3 feet away from the wall. The wall is a gigantic reflector that's interfering with the direct sound of the male voice. Same problem with audio speakers.

i want bigger speakers not smaller speakers. Now if someone could invent a driver that's say 15" or larger that can somehow operate full range like a scaled up headphone driver, THAT would be sick! unfortunately I don't think physics is our friend here :(

I'd be curious to hear these but yes, aesthetically speaking, everything about these speakers (and stands) are fugly.

They do. I have the speakers and stands. They aren’t beautiful but the white is hideous.

Sorry you feel that way! I did not have any other $3000 speakers of the same size as the sourcepoint 8.

why would you want a tiny pathetic speaker, no thanks. even crossing at 80hz to a sub, that thing is going to have a lot of excursion at only 6" if you like to turn it up even a bit or listen to bass heavy music. you'll lose efficiency and have to pad the tweeter more. just all around an inferior idea.

@@Artcore103 They are called desktop speakers, and they are used by millions of people. There's virtually no excursion to speak of at the volume levels I tend to listen to. Small speakers are perfectly capable of good mid, and high range.

@@dieselphiend desktop/near-field use, sure. Living room nah, which is how most are using small bookshelf speakers, foolishly.

to be accurate 3db is twice as loud in the bass, especially the deep bass and the tactile part. 10 db is double the other part of the frequency range.

No ... no ... it's smoke and mirrors, it's best to measure with your own Sound Pressure Level meter just exactly what each speaker is giving at a certain volume. No.

@@keplermission What’s smoke and mirrors? General guidelines? Are you high? They’re called “general” for a reason. You haven’t found some source of information the rest of us don’t have friend. You’re simply just failing to understand how things actually work, and are full of hubris. ✌️

I didn't have any speakers that would directly compare. Please understand, that other manufacturers will not spend a lot of money to send me speakers for comparison purposes.

Well, that your choice. But since people bought German and Japanese cars after the Second World War I figured it was OK for folks to judge the SourcePoint 8 on its own merits.

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac I'm not judging the speaker only joining Mo-Fi company

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac And that went right over his head it seems. Oh well. ✌️

Maybe leave the power off until things are connected?

@@louiesipes2257 thats NOT The anser. Its risk asses ment. Accidents will allways appen. Of course everybody Would do to turn The power of normally but accidents happends 3veryday when People for some reason forget best PRAXIS. I am talking about risks. A risk has Two parts. Part 1 is The probability that an accidents happends and part 2 is The concequence of The defined accident. So Risk = probability that The accident happends * (* stands for combined). So a Risk can become to High to accept in three ways 1. The probability for The accident shall happends are verry High and The consequences is not low. 2. The probability is not low and The consequences is High. 3. Both the probability for The accident are High and The consequence is High. And in this case The consquence are almost maximal (even death of The operator!). So there are EVERY REASON to redesign The plug and make safe. The way you argue can be fatal. So even if mostly there are a way for The user to operate to make The operation safe has NEVER stoped The engineer to build in safety function in electronics if any such function is possible to create. And without them many thousand operators during histiry Would have died totally in vain.

@@per-henrikpersson1884 A book to describe stupidity.

Louie! I bought these at Axpona. Steve’s right. They’re really good.

@@stevezeidman7224 Hi Steve! I knew you did…..so you’re tickled with them? I’m looking sideways at them😊 I may end up witha pair

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