Lot of people are misunderstanding why i said sun was strong in the early game. Let me clarify. If Sun is jungle, he gets his level 4 faster than sidelaners, ao in that little time frame he can be strong. Especially in early game skirmishes when the enemy is still at lvl 2 or 3.
But enemy jungle also lvl 4... , sun is good at late game.. not early. Bad about sun is need alot of mana for his skill and if use damage build he fragile like markman , if use thunderbelt first he farm slower.. and thunderblet normally only hit 40 that is only 55 def each until end game therefore , thunderbelt is quite useless. Sun only good kill lord and turtle fast....
This is a good item if your enemies was soft and easy to kill, but this is a squishy item for sun, it's better if your sun has 2 defence item the core item is thunder belt, but the other defence item would be counted at the enemy for lifestealer heroes, mages, and burst
@@fraxinusdmchu2371Sun Is Easy, But Its The Item That Will Make New Sun Player Confused. Because He Has So Much Build Variation, Different Build Then Different Playstyle
eu server is better until mythic in ph the epic ranks play like warrior but in eu epic ranks play like mythic its weird but then when you get to mythic they play like the mythics who are in epic lol and ive played 100 games in ph server on 300 ping if you are wondering
@@yuandatriogary191Yeah it was pretty OP. Have been trying build and so far thunder belt+endless+demon hunter is the best since you can proc it immediately with E together with clones. Which means if you have 2 clones, each E proc 3 times with item passive. This wukong changes have been great so far.
@@marrymejisoo3413 how was it better when current belt deals more damage, a slow that almost acts like an immobile and a lot better defense while the past belt depends on ur hp and can't even be spam by hero that has long skill cd
Yet some top PH global sun players that plays with JG Sun are immortal ranks already, and with plenty of matches and 50-60%+ winrate already... All heroes can work, its just a matter of team composition, team coordination, and the individual player's gameplay.
@@Christian-CTDCits true to some extend, but sun definitely not a good xp laner nowdays nor jungle. He lacking too many things compared to other xp lane or jungle and not fit on the meta badly
Some people dont know thunder belt verry over power this patch. In the early 1 stac thunder belt is 210 true damage, skill 1 or 2 sun get 110 true damage, skill 4 get 150 true damage.
My rating on 🌞 Jungling:7/10 Pushing:8/10 Baiting:8/10 Escaping:10/10 In Summary Sun is extremely annoying but squishy asf hero he's strong when he has all clones but weak to burst and sustain heroes.. How to counter sun?Use Heroes With Extreme burst or any hero with good CC.. Eudora In Bush(ambush sun when's hes roaming solo) Saber(High Burst) Clint(Good Mobility and Good Stun) Kagura(Ult Can Kill Both Sun and his clones, depends on your skill) Akai(Can stop his clones) Best Build for sun?Semi Attack speed build with Hybrid Defense..why? Coz sun is SQUISHY ASF🌞🙂.. Sun is very good against this junglers; Gusion(Sun Can make gusion useless with his ult) Karina(just exhaust her ult and she useless) And more..
Tips for new players: Don't just build mindlessly following these youtube shorts, learn what items counters and benefits which heroes. For example:- If your are marksman and enemies have lots of health build DHS, if they have low hp but hard to kill build penetration ( Malefic or Hunter Strike) . If you are playing against heroes that can sustain in teamfight like yz or Alice build use anti heal. If your enemies have One shot (physical dmg heros) like Fanny or Saber build Antique Curass or Bruteforce it reduces skill dmg. Whereas if they have mages like Eudora or kagura build Athena, if heroes who deal continues dmg like Harley, Lylia, Esme or Zhuxin build Radiant it stacks with each dmg. Main and most important tip: Better play with team or friends soloQ is miserable not even the tips I gave you can save you from soloQ curse, No matter how good your rotation or jungling skill is you will get butfkd if you have teamates who have lowest braincells.
@@quibble9003Hunter Strike is a viable build though? But it depends on who the marksman is. If its Layla or Ixia or Beatrix or Brody then yeah but not first item. Miya, Claude, Karrie, any marksman that relies heavily on basic atk should never build it.
@@illusion5739 im not saying its unviable, im saying its never optimal to build on mms. because one, mms dont benefit much from rushing fury hammer, and two, malefic roar is a strictly superior late game penetration item.
As a person from Burmese region i think people from my region would be watching this multiple times Bc sun really is more popular than chou in my region
@@lanrun9775 a pro in NA but just a regular player in PH server who can't even beat a legend players. he knows that before since he played in PH server.
@@pleasedont7439 minsi can screw monkeys since his s2 damage anything in its path once minsi has Corrosion + Sky Piercer. Not only that minsi S3 lock Sun S3 which one of his damage source
@@Arshenborne Sun now runs Thunderbelt, no, Minsi is not killung those clones in 1 go. Also, did you not read? I said if Sun manages to Ulti and then S1 before being locked, he will win. Jesus, learn to read.
It's beter sun to have thunderbolt with brute force and dominance ice to be more tanky and deal damage...since sun is too weak now....I recommend two to three defence item for more sustain....or else sun melt too fast comparing to other exp laner
Problem with exp sun is that he can't outburst high aoe lifesteal heroes without full damage build and every high rank meta exp laners are lifesteal heroes
sun is my favorite hero In my opinion sun is better with full damage items, sun is not good for long term battles so you need to hit and run when playing sun. I often get MVP on Honor-glory with Kda 14-2-7
He's good on early when he just reaches level 4, after that he goes back to eternal farming. His kit makes ganking Very easy so when the enemy laner is still level 2, he can easily initiate 2v1 with his own laner and probably get a flicker off or a kill. Then he go back to farming cuz the enemy has outscaled him once again at level 4. Until he starts getting Thunderbelt, he'll start joining team fights again with trying to stack up as much as possible. Them Corrossion scythe and waraxe is the key. He can finally join fights and start carrying against most squishy enemy. The final touch is when he got DHS and Malefic, At this point he can fight any enemy cuz he have a lot of def and M.def from thunderbelt stack, and %health dmg + high penetration.
Endless battle+demon hunter is better. You dont want to wait a long time to stack Axe stacks since your clones doesnt last long(except ult). You dont need corrosion either because your clones can proc thunder passive. Meanwhile endless gives you mana regen on top of movespeed and hybrid vamp which is better than pure spell vamp. Wukong doesnt benefit from spell vamp that much since he have almost no ability dmg. And demon hunter gives you lifesteal + current hp% dmg. All of these PrO pLaYeRs seems to not understand their champ or worse never read skill description. Their macro might be good but their micro and mechanics knowledge is poor. They even build Malefic Roar on Wukong when his passive already gives him 40% armor reduction 😂
When I play solo in NA server , it only takes me 130 games to reach glory but when I play solo in SEA Server it takes me 250+ matches just for glory lol.And in NA server it only takes less than 15 min for a match but my local server usually have 20+ mins for a match and ofc it's a hard game too😂
Looks like even Mobazane doesn't know Windtalker is the 2nd best item for Sun, next to Thunderbelt. Why? Using his skill 3 procs Windtalker passive magic damage and all are full damage. Yes, FULL. Clones are supposed to deal only a percentage of the damage of any item, including Thunderbelt's true damage but not Windtalker. I don't know why that is but it's awesome. LOL
"Jungler rotation? wtf you talking about, i don't have one" - Zane in his livestream (This video reminded me of the video where two guys dug a hole on a beach just for fun, and the next day it was covered by a news channel saying it was a crater formed by a meteor😂)
You misunderstood, what i meant by strong is that junglers get their level 4 first. So compared to sidelaners whos levels will be below junglers. Sun will be "strong" in that sense.
I still don’t get why would I build war axe on sun, I feel there’s so many better items like endless battle (gives mana regen + true damage + mov speed + CD) or hunter strike (gives penetration + mov speed + CD), I will use the build but without useless war axe with spellvamp.
@@ShiniRoma it's still nice to have since Sun's clones inherit 100% of his Attributes, so the Hybrid defense stack from the main one, gets transferred to his clones as well.
Met a sun with using this strat like weeks ago and he was very good he kept going away so his clone wouldn't give me gold which was very smart but unfortunately he met me a ruby user 😂(ended in 10min)
Khaleed also has potential as tank to counter enemies that has no cc but all burst 😅 just need vengeance and max out skill2 first 😅 then buy oracle and dominance to strengthen skill2 😂 Khaleed durability nerfed right ? Dominance ice also changed 😂 guess to balance who 😂 🤣 that shit reach the "broken" point once
I actually use sun as roam tank 😂 red roam ft tough boot , thunder belt , burning mask , dominance ice , Athena , last item free slot for immortal/ brute force/ antique cuirass 😂 if you can timing your doppleganger and your attack that emblem echo aoe will double 😂 means your doppleganger also trigger it .. doppleganger also carry all item unique skill like dominance, burning mask, antique cuirass effect, Athena 😂
