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Covenant 25: Pathogens / Hellhorned
I experienced a whirlwind of emotions after infusing that Alpha Fiend.
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Off The Rails brings you a look into a different kind of Monster Train, one that has been customized heavily by Steam Workshop mods such as the Unofficial Balance Patch. We will be playing to win, discussing the mods, and exploring the changes together!
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0:00:00 Introduction
0:10:32 Rings 1-2
0:30:53 Rings 3-5
1:06:37 Rings 6-7
1:27:20 Seraph
1:36:17 Divinity
1:53:33 Run Summary
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Комментарии : 58   
@AnAngelineer
@AnAngelineer Месяц назад
I think the reserve effects are actually pretty cool : they give another way to use permafrost. You can put doublestack and permafrost and keep it in hand forever, and it will do a decent effect for free every turn.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
What I don't like about it is that it affects the floor you end the turn on. That's a weird mechanic that is comparable to something like "Deal X damage at the end of the turn to the enemy you have highlighted" or something else acting at a higher level than the card gameplay.
@draco7039
@draco7039 Месяц назад
I really appreciate this series because we get a fresh look into how you evaluate cards (blindly). Being able to adapt at cov25 with a brand new clan is not necessarily easy.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
It's actually quite difficult! You should've seen my early takes on Wurmkin cards, hah. I used to think eggs were bad!
@jeremyhicks4517
@jeremyhicks4517 Месяц назад
So I've reached rank 10 with this mod, and I have a couple tips for ya. Feverish response and Destructive Testing (A card you will unlock later) are some of the best cards with this modded clan. They destroy your viruses for you and give you a huge benefit of card draw or big damage. I also found quick to be really bad if you're going patient zero because sometimes you want to enemies to swing in. Also if you go the Contagion route (Which can be very good) A card called Pandemic is busted. You might like the new exiled champion better. It's pretty darn good imo.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
Yeah, I haven't seen Destructive Testing. Seems really useful for a build like this.
@nothf
@nothf Месяц назад
It looks like one play might be to lean into the swarm tactics by playing the virion on whatever floor has space as soon as it comes up, you thin your deck out and scale swarm tactics. Does mean you lose out on +25 to your unit, but the more frequent draw of swarm tactics might be worth it.
@AylorAivo
@AylorAivo Месяц назад
For Sympathetic Emesis's reserve effect if you give it permafrost and doublestack it's a pretty big pile of sap without ever having to even play the card.
@jeremyhicks4517
@jeremyhicks4517 Месяц назад
I'm glad you commented this. It's also saps the whole floor which is really good. Permafrost Doublestack, and then dupe the card and you're feeling good.
@XionTyran
@XionTyran Месяц назад
Actually I don't think the doublestack was being applied to the card at least in this video. Edit: I'm an idiot he didn't doublestack it he removed consume. Ignore me!
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
This is an interesting and powerful idea, actually. It's basically as powerful as Guardian's Amulet for free every turn, which is pretty nuts in that case.
@machetank4045
@machetank4045 Месяц назад
I'm still only at right after the first banner and i'm realizing that anvil makes largestone pretty cool actually.
@rosteri8709
@rosteri8709 Месяц назад
About Modding Content (Clans) there are 2 important things to add about topic why most of it is more overpowered or atleast stronger than the base game. - If the player dies to often compared to the vanilla content that feels sometimes daunting. - Since modded content is played in the community far less, they are hard to balance this in the first place, cause they have a very little amount of feedback. But hey, in the end of the day, no matter what game, there will be in the end always overpowerd and trash builds in the game.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
You're absolutely right, but it's still an interesting exercise to tease out what's too strong, what's too weak, what feels right, what plays nice with the game's mechanics, etc. As a designer, that sort of thing is a lot of fun for me!
@dreaderlord
@dreaderlord Месяц назад
Putting Quick on that demonboy really gimped you. I understand the thought, usually you go "Quick good, my units no die" but in a clan where it is all about those little germ guys dying.. Well, as you said, new clan. But you can kind of treat these germs like mini tumbs. Small chump blockers, or even useful in their death, might help you mentally adjust. You don't want to have a quick sweeper that prevents your dreg spawning tomb from dying if you require harvest scaling or such.
@XionTyran
@XionTyran Месяц назад
I actually think the nerf to Virion was what really screwed things over. I think Virion needs to be changed either back to giving all enemies some amount of contagion (maybe 1 or 2) or to instead give the BACK unit the 4 Contagion. Because as it; you screw yourself by killing the front enemy who has all your contagion, causing it to not spread. Alternatively have contagion spread some amount of contagion when a unit with contagion dies from something other than contagion?
@dreaderlord
@dreaderlord Месяц назад
@@XionTyran I get what you are saying, but in this case the idea of the run was this one, quickly scaling frontline dude, with trample, that could just stat stick all over the enemies. After all, it worked quite well once RD started to put nearly all his energy into blasting his own units, to make space for more. All I am saying that in this run, the sweep forced him to spend so much energy on killing his own units, when otherwise he'd have comfortable amounts to spend on everything else. Which is kind of funny as usually you use quick to avoid needing to heal or to ping, saving you energy. He said so himself, new clan, new starts. Or adjusted strats,
@XionTyran
@XionTyran Месяц назад
actually played with the Pathogen Clan recently and they did change Virions to give contagion to the back unit.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
I think my floor dies without the Quick just as much as the Quick was hurting me in some combats. It's a weird position to be in because Carrier is not nearly as durable as something like, say, Harvest Rector.
@dreaderlord
@dreaderlord Месяц назад
That is the case when Carrier gets hit, which would only happen with sweep. The curious thing about the virions is that you can always play them, as long as there are less than 7 units. And the unit you were scaling was also scaling armor, if I recall right. That allows you to play midfloor even against divinity. Always 2-4 chumpblocks . Anyway, you played the run well enough to win and you know what we say about that? we take those. Something to think about and maybe experiment with, but if it works, it works. Even if it is jank. Was a fun run to watch.
@straycat5233
@straycat5233 Месяц назад
I'd like to see more Pathogen runs!
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
Yeah, definitely getting a few more for sure!
@wish_cave
@wish_cave Месяц назад
only a bit into the vid but my impression is that culture carrier got overcorrected, it went from the best path by a country mile to the worst. it is extremely flimsy into relentless early game and requires a ton of protection late due to its bad base stats, and at 2 space carrier isn't always that easy to slot onto an endgame floor when I could be running like 4x demonologist with bioengineer instead and that already gets there. I think halving the stat gain but returning the health gain (so +1/+1, +2/+2, +4/+4) would be more appropriate, more base health would help too for sure
@GrenDrake
@GrenDrake Месяц назад
That certainly was quite the run. You keep ending up with things that were almost great, but ended up being terrible. The "Contagion to the front unit" makes this version of Virion feel really weird in play. Sympathetic Emesis is certainly nice, though, especially with the remove consume.
@Malroth00Returns
@Malroth00Returns Месяц назад
Maybe "rear enemy unit" would work better, you want contagion to spread
@Gremlin23
@Gremlin23 Месяц назад
Woo! More sick monster train content!
@Gremlin23
@Gremlin23 Месяц назад
Whew, what a roller coaster! At least sympathetic Emesis pulled more than its weight. Who knew divinity pukes when it sees puking?!
@ItsTangilicious
@ItsTangilicious Месяц назад
@@Gremlin23 Divinity is well known for their weak stomach.
@threefishies
@threefishies Месяц назад
Doublestack Sympathetic Emesis with permafrost makes a great dupe target... Why yes, I'd like free holdover Guardian's Amulet that doesn't eat draw. Seems good. Anyway, I think Virion is probably okay as-is. The AOE version was way too powerful, and in the current form you can use it for culture+chump or play it off-floor to spread contagion. About the only thing I'd wish for would be an easier way to kill them. Overall, the clan tends to have a lot of lopsided scaling that's slow to get rolling, but can really snowball once it does. It can feel both weak and very powerful at the same time. It definitely takes some adjusting to.
@z.georghesse2730
@z.georghesse2730 Месяц назад
I really enjoy you running some modded runs. I would also enjoy some runs with your own rebalance patch. Just watching play the modded old champions would be a nice change. Alsp what nobody mentioned, you can put some viruses on bottom lane and contiguous clears the backline before they reach top lane.
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
Totally. I think the major downside to that is that I was also hoping to capitalize on the Virion for Culture procs.
@Theotherotherhand
@Theotherotherhand Месяц назад
loved the vid and hearing your thoughts
@Jonnysh
@Jonnysh Месяц назад
48:50 Starts with three or more space makes sense to me - units don't grow in size, so starting must refer to original size - I'm wondering if there's Egg/other wurkin considerations that went into that wording
@ItsTangilicious
@ItsTangilicious Месяц назад
That's basically correct! When testing it, Herzal's Anvil didn't work with Kinhost Carapace, so I gave it the "units that start with" line. There are also some other modded clans that can change unit size during a fight, and it shouldn't work there either.
@lolfearme
@lolfearme Месяц назад
Unless they're Jelly Scholar from Arcadian - the cutest unit ever
@rodrigoneves135
@rodrigoneves135 Месяц назад
The nerf to make Virion apply contagion just to the front enemy made them kinda bad and it kinda screwed Carrier, their biggest appeal was backline clear and with everything else the clan wants to do, if you don't have ways to keep killing them they just become a problem. I found the 4 damage/turn Malicka relic and the +5 atk to all units (so they kill themselves on spikes) pretty clutch to make them less wonky.
@wish_cave
@wish_cave Месяц назад
virion is still very strong, just not as busted as before. it just does too many helpful things; despite the nerf it still clears backlines early and mid game, does heavy lifting vs early mark of invasion, still provides culture triggers that ignore space, chump blocks for you (which becomes more relevant in the endgame because patient zero 3 carrier literally blocks entire divinity waves on your floor) and consumes to get out of your way if you're playing another strategy. it's still a top 3 starter imo among all vanilla and modded clans
@rodrigoneves135
@rodrigoneves135 Месяц назад
Addendum: Sympathetic Emesis doublestacked with frozen is pretty neat.
@jospehjack
@jospehjack Месяц назад
Has science gone too far? Well, you tell me you're the one who works for NASA :-). Sorry could not help myself.
@lolfearme
@lolfearme Месяц назад
I know 'randomness' is considered unholy but I personally feel Virion should apply it's Contagion to a random enemy unit rather than the front. Front sucks because the contaminated unit just gets killed before it can spread, all enemies and back enemies feels too powerful for a starter
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
The main reason it couldn't randomly apply like this is because it breaks the combat preview. Either the preview spoils who gets it or it has to be disabled for the status, which is bad.
@lolfearme
@lolfearme Месяц назад
@RisingDusk that's a good point regarding the combat preview, there's a similar issue with Arcadian wards
@machetank4045
@machetank4045 Месяц назад
I can see you're not used to this at 40:17, yes the preview only shows -41 on the sweeper, but since you're quick he was going to get another 20 contagion which means he only attacks the pyre once. You need to pay attention so much more and do a lot more math with this clan, it seems insane.
@davidsperoni3107
@davidsperoni3107 Месяц назад
cant believe no1 said, this run is wrong when it´s right
@Femaiden
@Femaiden Месяц назад
i don't like that contagion thing. .where most of it goes on the front enemy, which is the one most likely to die just from combat damage. meanwhile, the contagion does nothing unless you manage to stack enough to equal their health, but since it's all on the front enemy which is likely to die anyway. third problem is that the contagion triggers at the END of the turn, so if it dies before the contagion triggers, then the contagion doesn't trigger. .so the enemy has to survive to spread it, but since it's mostly stacked on the front unit, that one is most likely not gonna survive. and then what if you got like.. the front guy has 45 health and you do manage to put 45 contagion on the front guy and he dies from it, does he contaminate the guys behind him or is that it? the contagion should trigger ON Death and/or at the start or their turn and it should contaminate adjacent units, not just the front one. the virus should contaminate any unit that already has it or maybe even something like, it doubles any existing contagion instead of just adding 1, so it scales exponentially, which might be overpowered, i dunno, but it's just when you collect pact shards and enemies start having 170 health, i don't see how contagion is supposed to even do anything at all in the current form. contagion does literally nothing 95% of the time. maybe it's useful in the very first ring or so, to kill the 1 hp enemies and that's it.
@michael___684
@michael___684 Месяц назад
I don't get it but I still enjoy u playing it
@Pigeon0fDoom
@Pigeon0fDoom Месяц назад
No one mentioning the anvil and hammer together?
@Femaiden
@Femaiden Месяц назад
beginning of the video, i see you pick pathogens and there's no "preview" of the champion and at first, i thought maybe he was there and i just couldn't see him because he's microscopic.
@lolfearme
@lolfearme Месяц назад
It's a recurring issue with some of the modded clans I've noticed. The champion/unit preview is actually a separate art asset that needs to be added to the assets folder and I think a lot of modded clans don't do that.
@Femaiden
@Femaiden Месяц назад
@@lolfearme yeah, i guess. I just thought it was a joke, like they made the champion really tiny, like the size of a pixel, like a real germ.
@lmm334
@lmm334 Месяц назад
Can replicate remove endless on units that already has endless?
@RisingDusk
@RisingDusk Месяц назад
Maybe? That's a great question.
@PabloLacerdaPereira
@PabloLacerdaPereira Месяц назад
virion needs a remake, it used to be op, now it feels worse than forgone power
@PabloLacerdaPereira
@PabloLacerdaPereira Месяц назад
maybe it could give 2 contagion to 2 random enemy units on death, and scrap the units that die from contagion deal contagion 1 to the whole floor
@PabloLacerdaPereira
@PabloLacerdaPereira Месяц назад
you get a chump blocker and a bit of randon damage, feels better than dregs and plink
@PabloLacerdaPereira
@PabloLacerdaPereira Месяц назад
you could also make it an eaten unity, so you choose to use it as a chump, or if eater it could give 1 contagion to all, then you dont need to habe a consume spell as a starter
@Malroth00Returns
@Malroth00Returns Месяц назад
@@PabloLacerdaPereira Dregs and Plink can take cheap upgrades well and can technically fuel harvest/morsel lines if needed. Viron is pretty much unaffected by all card upgrades and Contagion is worthless outside Ring 1-4 backline clear.
@PabloLacerdaPereira
@PabloLacerdaPereira Месяц назад
@@Malroth00Returns you forgot about the rally mechanic
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