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@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ MORE BASIC CONCEPTS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Biphq8Bqe7I.html&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder Hey guys, brought back this tacview because I feel like it explains a lot of concepts that might be useful to those of us new to air to air combat in DCS, I hope you guys found this useful and thank you for watching, if there are other concepts you'd like discussed let me know in the comments below and I'll see what we can about it. Thanks again, All the best.

@hkguitar1984 6 месяцев назад

Good idea GS, with your channel growing you may need to drop this video once a year.

@C_P_B_C 6 месяцев назад

So.. what you are trying to tell them is: gitgud.

@hkguitar1984 6 месяцев назад

@@C_P_B_C 👍😉

@Error-33 6 месяцев назад

Having tacviews every couple of videos would be amazing for the channel man. We missed them 😅 Amazing video is always, very informative

@hkguitar1984 6 месяцев назад

@@Error-33 Ditto The tacviews would also be interesting for some of the ground attack missions.

@ChevyRob313 6 месяцев назад

Learned more in 10 min that hours of “dcs tutorials” thanks brother

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

Glad you found it useful man.

@souzamce 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinderI doesn’t even have a pc gamer so far but your videos is just amazing for who loves this amazing machines. I am watching all your videos and just bought a GPU for starting assembling my pc for someday enjoy this sim as you do. Tks a lot.

@JethroRose 6 месяцев назад

been playing combat sims since falcon 1.1 and just learned that chaff is more useful when the missile is below you due to the lack of ground clutter. makes total sense. One thing I think needs more explanation though is how you can abuse the missile's need for lead pursuit to make it run into obstacles like the ground. And how smaller changes in your heading can have large turns required for the missile, especially if you're fast - because it needs to pull more lead when you're fast. cheers!

@isaac77655 6 месяцев назад

You should spin a wheel with planes and dogfight them against each other

@gabrielraveleau1798 6 месяцев назад

F-22 vs ME-262 could be happening then...

@mcyounglordlauch7012 6 месяцев назад

@@gabrielraveleau1798 ez me 262 win, as tech from the Germany back then is just the best Gotcha :)

@petta0616 6 месяцев назад

and if there is a difference in performance between planes, like say MiG-21 against something like an F-14, then the plane that is objectively worse gets an AWACS or something

@travis5457 6 месяцев назад

Great idea

@hernerweisenberg7052 6 месяцев назад

Wheel of Plane?

@theSarmatt 6 месяцев назад

Tacview feels nostalgic man

@grievesy83 6 месяцев назад

I miss the Tacview debrief.

@recreant17psn47 6 месяцев назад

Miss

@snugglyhugs8698 6 месяцев назад

@GrowlingSidewinder I'm new to the channel, and finding it's becoming the highlight of my day/week when new videos are available. When I looked at the older videos, I found the tac-view and review awesome to watch as it gives me ideas for the stories I'm writing. Is there a reason why you stopped doing them? Do you think you could bring them back on occasion like this? Thank you for what you do! Smile and be happy!

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

I would love to bring them back from time to time but the reason I stopped is cuz I was constantly repeating the same concepts so I’ve reduced it to only doing it when there is something new or interesting to talk about.

@johnkruton9708 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinderRepeating the same concepts of crushing your opponent 🎉!! I know you don’t always win but when you do it’s “Double Kill Dominating” (voice from UNREAL TOURNAMENT)🏟️

@joostvisser6508 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder even if there is nothing new to talk about, it might still be good to do them every once in a while. There will always be new viewers who never came across those older videos :)

@death_parade 6 месяцев назад

@@joostvisser6508 Isn't that exactly what this video is?

@snugglyhugs8698 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder That's a great choice. Thank you for the tac-reviews when they're there, and thank you for responding. Do you have a video that goes over the aircraft's user interface? I'm starting to learn how to read the radar and HUD when watching, but was curious if there's already a video. Don't have to take the time to link it as I'll find it if it's there. Thank you, and I hope you're having a wonderful Easter!

@mrploppers2269 6 месяцев назад

6:19 Can we appreciate how well he drew that y with a mouse

@viridisxiv766 6 месяцев назад

he doesnt just tell you what to do, he tells you WHY you should do it and gives full examples with technical/mechanical background information for context. perfect teaching method.

@hasnains561 6 месяцев назад

Honestly, even with being familiar with most concepts covered it’s still always great watching these recaps and refreshers. Plus this one was done really well, good stuff.

@Stabcc 6 месяцев назад

Air combat for idiots let’s goo :D

@_vortech_ 6 месяцев назад

How do you calculate the MAR or NEZ (No Escape Zone)? Do you just generally set a rule that if an aircraft is at such an altitude, you avoid coming within such a distance? For instance, if hostile is at 15000 at mach 0.8, you should generally avoid coming within 20 NM of the hostile? I mean, is there a basic scale chart, or mathematical equation that can provide that determination? Also, should you assume the hostile is carrying the latest and greatest on board, or is there information/factors one can use to help determine how to establish their MAR and maintain combat dominance against the hostile?

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

So yes you should always assume he is carrying this best payload, unless you know for a fact what he is carrying (obvs in real life you wouldn’t) as for the ranges of the MAR you have to do “testing” to figure those out. And it’s the main reason why countries don’t release the real capabilities of their missiles because then the enemy can figure out the MARs and survive.

@OnionKnight64 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinderAlex Hollings touched on this concept in his AIM 260 missile video too

@Houtka86 6 месяцев назад

I just started dcs and I really appreciate these videos. Dcs is quite a lot when you just start out. Having these videos are such a big help. Thanks GS

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

my pleasure, glad you found it useful.

@ArcaneActual 6 месяцев назад

I'm always learning something from the tac view. You could have talked about this dogfight for an hour and I still would have watched it.

@zalseon4746 6 месяцев назад

This video made a lot of videos made by fighter pilots make way more sense, thanks for posting this!

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

My pleasure glad you found it useful.

@FakiMadajaki 6 месяцев назад

Hell yeah! TacView is back!

@FinalFirebrand 6 месяцев назад

Appreciate you taking the time to educate people instead of being all high-faluting like some of these "I've never actually flown a fighter but I'ma act like I have" players. Love your content!

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

humility is always the right answer and elitism is the cancer of any community. Hope to see that kind of crap phased out of the DCS community, its already gotten much better over the years.

@lordhickory3322 6 месяцев назад

Oh my god yes an explanation video, love it! I‘ve been a long time viewer, but still I enjoyed this video and learned some awesome things through it. I hope this won’t stay a one-of-a-kind video and we will see some expanse to this new series! Keep up the great work, I love the videos

@hellbentstudios8721 6 месяцев назад

Been watching for a few months and really liked all the videos. This one really helped solidify my understanding of the the things you say. Thanks a bunch!

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

Glad you found it useful, thank you for watching.

@rickgould2152 6 месяцев назад

Mate.... im no fighter plane enthusiast or anything.... but Ive watched all your vids.... very interesting!!! Thanks heaps for taking the time to explain...

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

Thank YOU for watching. Much Love.

@sogerc1 6 месяцев назад

So I guess the drag from the atmosphere is the missile's biggest problem, because if it wouldn't be you could climb and force the missile to trade speed for altitude. But when you dive the missile following you will trade altitude for speed which seems to be not enough to compensate for the denser air. Is the towed decoy modelled in DCS? I would like to see some F35 action with that.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

Yes it is modelled but I think only for the f18

@sogerc1 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder Seeing it on the F-18 would be nice too!

@neothaka 5 месяцев назад

I'll learn how to play DCS when I'm retired. It's so daunting, but at the same time would be great to understand so many of these concepts. Good simulators really have strong educational value.

@VAPhillyFan54 6 месяцев назад

I would actually love to hear more about the logistics of a fighter. Usage of tanks and pylons/loadouts, route planning, force or divisions of force, weapon selection, etc. Basically what a ground army would plan as logistics, but from an aerial perspective.

@kevinmoriartyphotors 6 месяцев назад

great for newbies to the channel but also for those of us who've been here much longer but are a bit thick.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

I can relate to the thick crowd 😄

@PappaBear_yt 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, but did you "Jam the WEZ"?!? 😉😁🤭 Great video, another GS classic! I miss those Tacview commentaries of yours. 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻😓🍻🍻🙋🏼‍♂️

@rowdyace5719 6 месяцев назад

Day 59 of asking for Christen eagle 2 vs F-22 Raptor

@TheHarbinger827 6 месяцев назад

Could you touch on the topic of radar multipathing and how that can be used to defend incoming missiles? And can you provide sources or places to research this concept?

@PepperDog76 6 месяцев назад

I’m only passingly familiar with the terms and tactics so, even being a long time viewer, these videos help a ton. Keep up the great content!

@bblvrable 6 месяцев назад

I think the simplest answer to the question why GS's missiles hit while his opponents' don't is just because he's a better pilot. Usually. Sometimes it's also just luck.

@mikestewart4752 6 месяцев назад

That was a really easy to understand explanation my man, thank you.

@Ogivekrew 6 месяцев назад

How do you know how big the MAR adjusts?? Like if you dont know what missile is being shot at you?

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

You assume he is carrying the best missile he can carry and defend according to that.

@Daniel-jq4qk 6 месяцев назад

I missed the Tacview.. I appreciate this.

@user-yp9nz6bs9q 6 месяцев назад

Notch: ground clutter, Beam: Chaff.

@AndrewH2791 6 месяцев назад

I was just thinking to myself the other night that I miss the tac view videos and here we are 😄

@thejack01 6 месяцев назад

You became a friend even if I don't know you or met you on dcs. But still, I feel it this way. Thanks for all the lessons you give, I find them very useful for my learning.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

My pleasure, thank you for watching and I'm glad you found it useful, Much Love.

@petergerdes1094 5 месяцев назад

Why isn't there a program on the plane that simply algorithmically implements the maximal missle energy bleed course (for the incoming missle type)?

@lonniecombs7431 6 месяцев назад

Why do you survive missles when the enemy doesnt? Lol in the last month youve been getting spanked alot by those missles, usually when yer in an f-16

@ceasaraepoling5910 6 месяцев назад

I miss the Tacview days

@TheSerpentineFire 6 месяцев назад

i have to say that your kind of education is the one i prefer. No long talking, just straight facts with a good explanation. Thx for taking care of your community and showing us your knowledge und your thoughts in the active battle. Keep going with your work, still love this channel. Viper out :)

@srlsigns7944 6 месяцев назад

The only thing better than tacview videos is a pickle in a porta-potty.

@caesarzayit2524 6 месяцев назад

Good one buddy, i came from P3D, and i never flown a fighter jet, because of that i'm struggling in this sim and seeing this tutorial teached a lot, thx.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

my pleasure, glad you found it useful man.

@isaiahandreiaguibay8849 6 месяцев назад

this is gonna be pretty useful if I want to join the US airforce

@fredericmari8871 5 месяцев назад

Very cool. That explains quite well how/why you defeated their missiles. Why yours managed to hit? Which part of the defensive sequence did they fail?

@GrowlingSidewinder 5 месяцев назад

They failed to identify and stay outside of the MAR. They should have shot their missiles and turned away at the edge of the MAR.

@mrp8488 6 месяцев назад

Requesting Su-57 vs J-20.

@leatherneckprepper4477 6 месяцев назад

As a rifleman, seeing an Apache, a cobra gunship or an A-10 circling overhead, giving air cover, would give me a throbbing

@kwkfortythree39 6 месяцев назад

Well, A-10 can also give you friendly fire...

@leatherneckprepper4477 6 месяцев назад

@@kwkfortythree39 so can field artillery

@OurHomeHome 4 месяца назад

Thank you brother. I learnt much more things in just 10 minutes from you.

@GrowlingSidewinder 4 месяца назад

my pleasure thank you for watching, Much love.

@AversiveBison 6 месяцев назад

Really enjoyed the breakdown of everything. I feel like i have a good understanding of all the tactics you use now!

@scootersplace9324 6 месяцев назад

That was a great explanation for what we hear thank you

@hydranmenace 6 месяцев назад

More tac view! Good times.

@TheDodges.Travels 6 месяцев назад

Great video, thanks! I understand the concept of using the increased drag from the denser air to bleed energy from opposing missiles, but by drawing them DOWN doesn’t gravity help maintain the missiles’ energy? Other than being outlined against the blue sky and opening yourself up to an easy radar silhouette, what about a rapid climb to force the missile to bleed energy overcoming gravity?

@catplane2521 6 месяцев назад

Got the same thoughts. When you drag the missile to the deck and then pull up again, the missile shouldn't have enough energy to follow you?

@Mike_Romeo 6 месяцев назад

Gravity is one of the weakest forces in physics.

@The_TownDrunk1 6 месяцев назад

Best explanation of Notch, Crank and MAR I have seen, thank you so much!

@sillygoose210_6 6 месяцев назад

Such an informative video, I'd like to see more of these.

@tomatofrog5108 6 месяцев назад

One question, while going down puts the missile in denser air slows it down but would going up also be useful to make the missile fight against gravity its a thing I've been thinking about.

@NLozar22 6 месяцев назад

Attempting to outclimb a missile is generally a terrible idea. You need to have a deep understanding of the performance of the missile that was yeeted at you and how long you have to defend for before attempting to outclimb it. Notching, descending and turning cold are general far more advisable.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

yes, it "works" to make it fight gravity but its no where near an effective force has drag and friction, also consider that as you climb to make it fight gravity, you are slowing down as you exchange gravity for Kinetic energy so you're making yourself an easier target to kill. This method works if the missiles energy state has already been defeated, but that case you can do whatever you like anyway the missile is already dead.

@crm247 6 месяцев назад

2 Videos in 1 day?

@MarcusDrall 6 месяцев назад

Day 399 457th time asking for a reenactment of Sam City in the A6 Intruder from Flight of the Intruder, movie version. Talk to HeatBlur about their A6E.

@peterruiz6117 6 месяцев назад

A bit late, but I would like to know how YOU learned all of this...Can you imagine an airbase where all have been killed by a neutron bomb....No security, no pilots, and YOU are the only defense left for America .. Hop intp a plane ? I might try a ground attack plane, or even a helo...Gatling guns on both sides....Dreami'n 😅 Video idea ?

@nitonono4143 6 месяцев назад

is there a way to play DCS without trackIR or Tobii, only bare PC? I installed DCS way back in 2015 but I uninstalled it because it's so hard to look around inside the cockpit.

@karlisandersons450 6 месяцев назад

Some other interesting concepts would be the process of detecting an opponent, differences between missile tracking (radar / IR), the need to assist the missile after it's been launched and the engagement range of different missile types.

@icedragon769 6 месяцев назад

Ok but how do you know what the MAR IS. Knowing to be mindful of the MAR is good advice for staying alive, it's not too difficult of a concept, but that's only useful if you know what it is, and since a missile's Rtr is so dependent on type, speed, and altitude, how can you figure it with certainty in the moment?

@happyhaunter_5546 5 месяцев назад

I love when you make these videos; I sometimes on stream react to your dogfights (I get loud and excited like a sports commentator) and I think I say stuff that nobody understands a lot, so this is super helpful to help me explain some stuff to them so they know why I go WOOOOO THRUST VECTORED HIM ASS RAHHHH

@IetsgoBrandon 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! looking forward to seeing more combats with F-35, because it will has the largest quantity in NATO

@Admiral_Fredward 6 месяцев назад

This helped so much thanks matey Do you have a buyers guide I can watch? As I want to get my first plane but not 100% sure what to get I’m leaning towards an f-18

@writerrhino166 5 месяцев назад

I work with a couple of retired fighter pilots (one of them a Red Flag Aggressor), they love it when I drop in their cube and discuss the finer points of the Crank and Notch. 😎

@theoldlore 5 месяцев назад

Okay but how do I dogfight with my Thrustmaster T300 Racing Wheel?!?

@itwasme2435 6 месяцев назад

BTW, Tacview

@jpoo4572 6 месяцев назад

Sure i missed a day, so day 14 of asking for yf23 interdiction/infiltration mission. Also awesome videos, makes the day go a little easier. Keep up the good work dude

@Mauser102 6 месяцев назад

I'm very glad this wasn't an announcement that the abortive DCS: MAC was still being worked on.

@paulmdevenney 5 месяцев назад

This is the single most valuable video I've watched on air combat. I would happy hear the other 35 minutes you left out :D

@rtpfixit 6 месяцев назад

I don't even have a PC that can run DCS and I love these videos. I had no idea of the limits of fighter jets or the importance of energy management.

@ayroods 6 месяцев назад

Question, after you turn and dive into denser air to bleed off energy from the missile wouldn’t climbing back up to altitude, bleed off even more energy from the missile since it’s now working against gravity?

@klekaelly 5 месяцев назад

It's interesting that to dodge the missile, you have to pull it down into denser air. This confused me because I thought gravity would cause the missile to accelerate as it went down, by converting the potential energy of its altitude into kinetic energy. Because of this, I was thinking that it would make sense to crank and climb instead. I guess the math just doesn't lean that way!

@wk4250 6 месяцев назад

Would you explain the difference between the MAR and No-Escape Zone (NEZ)

@wingmanemu3473 4 месяца назад

i wonder if clutter notching works in VTOL VR, so far ive been used to notching with only chaff and flare, dont think i ever tried clutter notching

@jameslanning8405 6 месяцев назад

You sure of all them 'terms?' I was thinking it was, "Hook, Line and Sinker!" LOL

@ph2738 6 месяцев назад

Hitting a 90 degree notch against a pitbull missile seems like it would be a decreasing angle from 90 degree to the bandit because the missile starts turning to pursue you. So maybe you start turning back into the bandit to approximate the notch to the incoming missile.

@Lee-sti8wrx 6 месяцев назад

Love your explanations dude. Gotta say and I'm not trying to blow wind up ya ass but you're a really good teacher and do it so chilled. Makes people want to hear and learn from you, ace job man.

@GrowlingSidewinder 6 месяцев назад

appreciate you man thank you, glad people find the info useful/interesting.

@Lee-sti8wrx 6 месяцев назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder 🤘

@matthewmeizoso8723 5 месяцев назад

When you stated using variables I was waiting for a complicated equation.

@Rhyhmx 5 месяцев назад

Appreciate it, I've literally just found your channel and its not like I was never interested in this but not enough to know anything so this cleared up a lot of questions in my mind

@edwardhugus2772 6 месяцев назад

Ive already learned all of this from you, I clicked like and watched just because its a GS Video!

@DanielMak1234 6 месяцев назад

What is the difference between the No Escape Zone of a missile and the Minimum Abort Range?

@jeffschneider9516 6 месяцев назад

I really appreciate how clearly you explain these concepts. I would love to see one of these videos for WW2 aircraft!

@rfp313 5 месяцев назад

So did you figure this out yourself or did some fighter guys give these pointers? How close does this stuff come to classified info? Have any fighter guys reached out about your videos?

@Kyuschi 6 месяцев назад

This is making a lot of things make more sense as to why they seem completely backwards to me, coming from mostly flying warbirds. Wanting to be lower than the enemy is taking a lot of getting used to lol

@sageg58 6 месяцев назад

Do tacviews again

@istvanbarta 6 месяцев назад

I always wonder if the radar dish really moving like the camera on the targeting pod or it just have an effective cone radius?

@JulieanGalak 4 дня назад

So when doing the notch, you turn 90deg from the bandit, right? Doesn't that put you outside the gimbal limit of your radar? I thought that was somewhere around 30deg each side of the nose? So do you accept the loss of lock, and just hope you can reacquire quickly when you turn back in?

@GrowlingSidewinder 4 дня назад

correct (mostly) the angle off the nose a radar can maintain lock depends on the aircraft. Some are 60 some are 80....the su57 because of side mounted radars can maintain lock IN the notch. But regardless generally what you said was correct for 99% of aircraft the notch is a defensive maneuver. Because it forces you to break lock. Generally speaking you are only notching if you are in the range no escape of the enemy missile otherwise you would probably prefer the much safer option of just going cold. But yes even from the notch (if you survive) you will try to recommit and target the enemy aircraft again. (but if you are in this RNE then he was probably in yours, in which case 1 of you is probably dead)

@jackschumacher8472 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the quick lesson on air combat. Now your other videos make more sense.

@SwordOfApollo 6 месяцев назад

Assuming the best modern missiles and radar, would you say that a fighter jet that can supercruise at Mach 2 and 65,000 feet (and starts the fight that way) would have an advantage in BVR over other fighters that start lower and slower?

@maximumvibe9355 6 месяцев назад

i hope this is a joke dawg

@Mike_Romeo 6 месяцев назад

Lol, has faster and higher he flies, the more kinetic and potential energy his missile has. Slower and lower flying enemies would not only have less energy, they also need to fight greater air resistance.

@SwordOfApollo 6 месяцев назад

@@Mike_Romeo Yes, that's my thinking for why aircraft capable of this mode of operation would have a substantial advantage. This is my thinking toward NGAD: higher and faster. But I want to check my thinking against GS's experience. He's talked a lot about targets being easier to pick out against the sky and he always goes low to defend missiles. A fighter starting at this altitude may find it difficult to go low enough to defend missiles, especially without creating contrails. I think staying high and fast is great, but GS probably has a lot better intuition about this than I do. There might be situations where this way of operating is a problem.

@Mike_Romeo 6 месяцев назад

@@SwordOfApollo Gettling low is much easier than getting high cause you wont have to fight gravity and you dont need to reach high speeds to get up. Nobody is staying up unless their missiles have a massive range adventage. They always need to defend to the ground because the enemy is forcing them to do so. Its bettee to be cautious then dead.