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Modern Fighting Rifle | Dark Storm Industries | Shot show 2024 

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@rockbolton8173
@rockbolton8173 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for re-uploading and fixing the audio. You guys rock!
@jonbrooks6522
@jonbrooks6522 7 месяцев назад
Yea couldn’t finish the first one
@superezbz
@superezbz 7 месяцев назад
Glad you guys got the audio fixed.
@rustyshackelford7084
@rustyshackelford7084 7 месяцев назад
Pauses video at 7:30. Dispersion holes you say? *grabs ARs, cordless drill and 3/16” drill bit*
@jonathanbardunias1889
@jonathanbardunias1889 4 месяца назад
According to dark storm, everything is an assault weapon… the only thing that isn’t an assault weapon is their fixed mag lowers…. If you know, you know
@spoonskill7080
@spoonskill7080 7 месяцев назад
Man, the ignorant hate in the comments is stupid...one guy says, "Ill just grab a drill.." Yeah, you could grab a dril, but did you think of it first? There are lots of comments just to negatively comment. Grow up.
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 7 месяцев назад
wrong
@PeterRoos
@PeterRoos Месяц назад
DSI makes fine rifles, especially for people in CA and NY. They are State compliant. Just ordered my second AR from them.
@jimyeats
@jimyeats 7 месяцев назад
This is the sort of gun and gimmicky bolt features that SOTAR would just eviscerate.
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
The double ejector? I get. The cryo gas rings, well I called cryo strings Bs for years, but there is something there for certain tasks, I don't know if it applies here though.
@BassJunkie200
@BassJunkie200 7 месяцев назад
"Modern Fighting Rifle" 1/9" Twist and Carbine gas? The industry learned those are both inferior over ten years ago. 🤣
@bewbew0016
@bewbew0016 7 месяцев назад
1/9 isn't inferior despite what "cool" people on IG say. Actual studies from DoD showed 1/9 was more accurate with M193 and M855. The intended use is a civilian fighting rifle. What do they most use? Both of those rounds. But wait, what about the shift towards 77gr OTM SMK (Mk262)? Well, I appreciate you asking. 1/9 will indeed stabilize that round, even at distances beyond 600 yards. Just ask Black Hills, or if you have Mk262, read the side of the box. But Bew Bew, isn't there give and take with everything? I'm glad you asked that as well. The short answer is, yep. The answer here is 1/9 won't stabilize 70gr TSX (brown tip), however, (if you like TSX in this application like I did), you can still use 62gr TSX and lower. You are always giving something up to gain something else. As for the carbine gas system, we once again look at the intended use. In a situation which is making the weapon dirty and you are not in a position to field strip, clean, and lube, the carbine length DI is going to be more reliable than mid length. The mid length won't feel "over gassed" (as some people refer to carbine length), and shoots softer, but once again, you can't escape the all powerful give and take. With the intended use of this specific weapon system, carbine length was the better choice. If the intended use was punching holes in paper for fun or competition shooting, carbine length would indeed be a bad choice. The industry has "learned" many things throughout the years. Like, piston was so superior to DI, in 10 years, no one would even be using them, and few would still be making them. Yet, here we are. I hope this helped you understand why they made those choices. You should always throughly understand why you are using a piece of kit or weapon system. If this particular one isn't right for you (even as a fighting rifle), you should at least understand why it isn't with objectively correct information, and understand why it would be for someone else, instead of just laughing with limited information.
@BassJunkie200
@BassJunkie200 7 месяцев назад
@@bewbew0016 Still inferior bozo. The "takes" of 1/9 are worse than that of 1/7 and 1/8. Carbine gas on a 16" is dumb no matter how you look at it. If your mid gas 16" EVER has problems running due to fowling, it's a POS gun to begin with. Stupid argument. Sounds like you work for the company, using actually braindead reasoning for these mistakes. Heads up bozo, your rifle is going to flop because of these two specs. 🤣
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
​@@bewbew0016Whoa! Like whoa. That is too much nuance as to why you should not trust the industry or tactifool trends... You sir shouldn't make people think. If you ever encounter me, sir, I owe you a bourbon.
@bewbew0016
@bewbew0016 7 месяцев назад
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 This actually made me laugh. Thanks, dude. I would definitely take you up on that.
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
@@bewbew0016 Well I drink at a bar by the river, in a midwestern town with three rivers. If you can find the right one at the right time, I'll have a shot of Knob Creek for you.
@XDWX
@XDWX 7 месяцев назад
Ive never heard of anyone complaining about any modern AR having issues with handguard rigidity. So many companies think they are the second coming of Eugene Stoner by putting ambi controls and other gimmicks.
@radradR0bot
@radradR0bot 7 месяцев назад
it becomes a factor for mounting IR laser to keep zero. stoner didn't know about NVGs
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
​@@radradR0bot Well he did eventually but that was still well before m1913 rail became standard.
@Liberty4Ever
@Liberty4Ever 7 месяцев назад
Gotta respect the meticulous attention to detail. This was the only ARFCOM coverage I've seen from 2024 SHOT where the MSRP wasn't mentioned.
@ARFCOMNews
@ARFCOMNews 7 месяцев назад
Sorry I dropped the ball. Prices are on their site. dark-storm.com
@Liberty4Ever
@Liberty4Ever 7 месяцев назад
@@ARFCOMNews - The pricing was less than I expected based on the component cost and custom machining. I can only assume that they love designing their ultimate AR so much that they aren't charging for engineering. I can sympathize with that! I was more surprised to see the reasonable cost considering they're in New York, on Long Island. Nothing is cheap that close to New York City.
@ARFCOMNews
@ARFCOMNews 7 месяцев назад
They also make ban compliant versions of their guns.
@Liberty4Ever
@Liberty4Ever 7 месяцев назад
@@ARFCOMNews - I noticed on the Dark Storm website that they had a special section for those living behind enemy lines in commie states. I didn't click through, but they apparently offer special solutions tailored for each commie state. Just click on your state - Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Illinois....
@ravenovatechnologies6554
@ravenovatechnologies6554 7 месяцев назад
Heaven forbid the guy makes a mistake. He's only providing you a free service, while running on very little sleep.
@grantb555
@grantb555 7 месяцев назад
I like this guy. Lots of tiny improvements over a standard
@prongATO
@prongATO 7 месяцев назад
Lol the sarcasm is strong with this pair!
@col.strayga1389
@col.strayga1389 7 месяцев назад
So, just another Ar-15.
@bletters26
@bletters26 7 месяцев назад
Gimme a 1 in 7 and a mid length and I'm sold
@nunyabeezwax1413
@nunyabeezwax1413 7 месяцев назад
The roll mark.
@insanitypepper1740
@insanitypepper1740 7 месяцев назад
2011 called it wants its twist rate back.
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 7 месяцев назад
correct
@jonathanbardunias1889
@jonathanbardunias1889 4 месяца назад
I love to be proud of a company from my home state, but these people are not your friend
@EquipaPatriot
@EquipaPatriot 7 месяцев назад
so, WTF, from my MF'r?!
@justme_gb
@justme_gb 7 месяцев назад
Carbine gas length that is not a piston - interesting.
@celmer6
@celmer6 7 месяцев назад
This AMBI bullshit has gotten out of hand. Real world 70% of us will never use it. Over the past 35 years I just run right handed guns left handed as needed with no issues. Out of all my guns 3 are AMBI and the AMBI levers cause more problems than they solve for right handers. The 2 biggest pain in the ass's are AR-15 and 1911 safety levers. They either pinch or interfere with the grip hand.
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
I found an ambi safety that doesn't interfere with me but still plays decent with my lefty buddy. However for most yea I agree.
@308hit
@308hit 7 месяцев назад
Where is the non-nfa DS-25 ????
@frankpalermo9307
@frankpalermo9307 5 месяцев назад
Jesus! What's with the hate comments?
@rhino67
@rhino67 7 месяцев назад
1:9? ya not about 1:9...I shoot lots of 77gr...hard pass
@Nogeri
@Nogeri 7 месяцев назад
does it take glock mags?
@deltasource56
@deltasource56 7 месяцев назад
no only sig mags
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
​@@deltasource56 Damn I was hoping for Colt mags.
@CircaSriYak
@CircaSriYak 7 месяцев назад
Answer: nothing
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769
@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 7 месяцев назад
Audio fixed good. Still like the buffer tube and 3 prong....
@lucasblanchard47
@lucasblanchard47 7 месяцев назад
This is a 4 prong
@producerjuan5850
@producerjuan5850 7 месяцев назад
Dat quality audio tho 🤌🏼🤌🏼
@PoopPheast420
@PoopPheast420 7 месяцев назад
Yay! Audio fixed
@ColeDedhand
@ColeDedhand 7 месяцев назад
There is no reason to do a 1/9 barrel any more. Pass.
@Steve-yo4ld
@Steve-yo4ld 7 месяцев назад
1/9 is more than adequate if you're not going super heavy! I own and have owned 3 ARs, 2 1/9 and one 1/7! Was always satisfied with the 1/9! My heaviest choice is Winchester 64gr PowerPoint! It's an amazing round.....
@jimtheedcguy4313
@jimtheedcguy4313 7 месяцев назад
When the majority of gun owners shoot 55gr ammo, 1:9 makes sense.
@snugglezbrah5558
@snugglezbrah5558 7 месяцев назад
1:9 vs 1:7 will make no measurable difference in heavy bullets. Sierra says a 1:9 will stabilize their 77gr bullets.
@bewbew0016
@bewbew0016 7 месяцев назад
Dude, 1/9 are more accurate with typical fighting ammo, and you can still run Mk262 77gr OTM through it, no problem (just ask Black Hills). One of the few problems would be 70gr TSX, but you could just use 62gr TSX or lighter. Myths and fudd lore have vastly overstated the ammo you can't accurately shoot (and yes, I mean at distance, not just 100 yards. I mean 600 yards) through a 1/9. You don't have to run one, but there is nothing wrong with doing so. To act like you gain things and lose nothing with a 1/7 is a similar logic to getting a 12.5" because you get the velocity of a 14.5" and maneuverability of a 10.5". There is absolutely a reason to still produce 1/9. Just as there are 1/8 and 1/7. You aren't aware of them, but they exist. Again, if you don't want to run it, then don't.
@Steve-yo4ld
@Steve-yo4ld 7 месяцев назад
@bewbew0016 Absolute perfection, thank you!✌️
@RobertMoritz-b1t
@RobertMoritz-b1t 7 месяцев назад
1/9 was a big miss. Dumb. Other aspects are well thought out it seems but… 1/9, why oh why, that is just dumb. Zero point.
@bewbew0016
@bewbew0016 7 месяцев назад
He explained the point, and I did as well in more detail. You think it's dumb because you're missing information.
@celmer6
@celmer6 7 месяцев назад
Because 1/9 twist stabilizes both M193 and M855 just like he said right at the beginning of video. Were you even paying attention? Go watch it again and pay attention this time.
@bewbew0016
@bewbew0016 7 месяцев назад
Exactly. Not only does it stabilize M193 and M855, but with those, 1/9 is more accurate. Furthermore, if you decide to run 77gr OTM SMK (Mk262), 1/9 will stabilize them as well, and is accurate out beyond 600 yards (for the people who say it will only stabilize to 100 yards). Just ask Black Hills, or if you have Mk262, read the side of the box. There is always give and take. With 1/9, you can not run 70gr TSX (brown tip), but you can still run 62gr TSX and lower. So, as you can plainly see, there are multiple points for making it 1/9 twist, and given the intended use, none of them are dumb. Like I said, you only think so because you are missing information. If you don't want to run a 1/9 twist, then don't, but you should truly understand why it is you are running a piece of kit or weapon system. A point I made earlier was don't fall into believing fudd lore, or the kind of illogical thinking of getting a 12.5" because you get the velocity of a 14.5" with the maneuverability of a 10.5". So, hopefully, that answers your question "1/9, why oh why?" and you're now better informed on the subject.
@RobertMoritz-b1t
@RobertMoritz-b1t 7 месяцев назад
1/9 may stabilize 77 or it may not.. it is marginal depending on a variety of factors including: 1) Bullet velocity 2) Atmospheric conditions (altitude, temperature, etc) 3) The barrel’s true twist rate - is it exactly 1/9 or is it 1/9.25 1/9 is marginal for heavier for caliber bullets and there is no point. Accuracy advantages with mil-spec m193 or m855 will be negligible at best between 1/9 and 1/7 . Mil-spec ammo is not exactly match ammo… Fudd Lore is the myth that 1/7 “over stabilizes” 55 gr. Unless shooting an ultra-frangible varmit bullet at very high speed causing the bullet to shred itself apart, there is no issue with accuracy degradation of a 55gr in 1/7. If they did a 1/8 that would be fine. 1/9 is on the threshold of functionality with heavy for caliber bullets. Back in the early 2000’s when most commercial barrels were 1/9 and heavy OTM’s hit the scene, some barrels shot them fine, some didn’t. Match barrels are 1/8 for a reason. With over 20 years experience with the platform and as an avid handloader my perspective is based on experience not “Fudd Lore”. Are you going to swap your 1/7’s to 1/9 for the supposed advantage you espouse? I doubt it.
@celmer6
@celmer6 7 месяцев назад
@user-mn5cv3lq7y I own 1/7,1/8,1/9,1/12 and 1/14 twist AR-15's and have been rocking the platform for 33 years. The argument that 1/9 twist has no purpose is short sighted and foolish. People say the same thing about 1/14 twist. That's because they don't know that 45gr Hollow Points and Ballistic Tips love 1/14 twist and are pushing 3,500 fps. It's all about the application. I don't have any problems with 1/9 twist. I treat it and use it just the same as 1/7 and 1/8 twist. I've never had stability issues from it with Black Hills MK262 or any other round. 20 years ago the barrel manufacturers didn't have the consistency that they have now. Manufacturing has improved a lot since then market wide. And on top of that the original report of 1/9 not stabilizing heavier rounds is ambiguous because of the unknown factors and that makes it unsubstantiated FUDD LORE. Bring forth the shooter,ammunition, rifle and video of the event for examination. Homeboy probably has a $400 Olympic Arms AR with 12,000 rounds of steel case down the bore looking like a sewer pipe from all the barrel erosion.
@C420sailor
@C420sailor 7 месяцев назад
Dark Stain
@kevinmurphy1694
@kevinmurphy1694 7 месяцев назад
Classic dark storm - terrible fit and finish im sure like the rest of their products
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