Modern Flip Lines and the Clean Line Principle | Ep. 61

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On episode 61 of Gear Garage, Zach talks about a more modern flip line that follows the Clean Line Principle. A variety of flip lines are available at riverhardware.....
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@danaadler5532 5 лет назад

Hi Zach. Thanks for heads up on the dyneema flip line. It fits in the extra pocket of my Green Jacket.

@GearGarageTV 5 лет назад

Yes I was pretty excited to learn about it too!

@lqdKaos 2 года назад

I like the idea of it always being in my PFD pocket. I cant count how many times I have forgotten to take my flip line out of my gear bag at the put in, or left it in a raft at the end of the day. Also, it wont be tight around my belly after the winter... Its like all my gear shrinks during the off season. :)

@muirgirl 2 года назад

Watching this just gets me all salty about how terribly the Green Jacket fits female bodies; the Layla that Astral just came out with can be 'improved' (by dropping another $40 lol) only with the addition of the quick release belt, but they didn't think that us ladies wanted nor needed that amazing front pocket you guys get to choose if wanted. Super annoying to have to pick between useful gear storage access or a PFD that fits. I covet that pocket! ETA- spelling

@stevekelly6463 4 года назад

'Clean line' principle is over 30 years old now. It was the result of a number of documented fatalities. It includes keeping your body clean from anything that may snag and keeping all ropes used for in water rescues free from anything that may snag

@Gatormanforlife 3 года назад

Yes. In the pocket is best. I keep mine in the velcro pocket on my throw bag belt.

@dgiroday1 3 года назад

Hi Zach, the weak point on the nylon tubular webbing is going to be the knot. The 4000lb breaking strength is for the webbing and doesn't capture the true breaking strenth with the knot. The actual breaking strength will be significantly less. In a worse case scenario, knots can reduce the strength by 50% (ie. the girth hitch). The sewn bar tacked Dyneema is probably stronger than the tubular nylon webbing with a knot. Great idea to use a lighter smaller item that fits into a little pouch. Much better than having something that could snag on a strainer during a swim. Imagine trying to pull yourself up over a log and something snags at the worst possible moment. You have great videos. Keep the drive alive!

@garrettgalea6864 3 месяца назад

Hi Zack, love your videos! I wonder what people's thoughts are on using 1/2 inch webbing, or "hoopie". What I like about it is that I can make it any length I like, unlike the pre-made ones from blue water. I also like that I can make it long enough to make a webbing harness with. It's also very affordable, and packs in my PFD well. There's also a couple things I don't like with the 1/2 inch vs the 1 inch. I wonder if the 2,000 lbs breaking strength is okay for an anchor. However, it's no biggie to double it up. I also wonder about the quality of the webbing harness I could make with it, I worry that it will be too tight on my thighs and constrict blood flow, while the 1 inch makes a more comfortable harness. it looks like the line from Blue Water is also 1/2 inch, so I wonder what you think about that. I also like to make a coil of my flip line and clip with with a carabiner around the inner piece of my Green jacket. out of the way, hidden, not adding bulk to the PFD or clutter to the pockets. Let me know what you think!

@GearGarageTV 3 месяца назад

A custom one out of hoopie sounds good to me. It's maybe too weak for an anchor once you add a knot to it. I've never needed a harness for rafting so that's not something that matters to me.

@travelinzac 3 года назад

Astral GreenJacket and i think BlueJacket as well have a small cavity in the chest for their mini throw rope. I keep a classic tubular webbing flip line in this space with a large autolocking carabiner. It's never come out accidentally, is central so you can access with both hands and without thinking, and there is no zipper to open to get to it so quicker access. I prefer tubular because its nicer on the hands than dyneema. In regards to using the rabbit runner as an anchor, it's actually stronger than the tubular depending on how you configure the anchor. Because it has sewn ends it is full strength end to end, if you wrap it around a tree and clip both loops you have a bomber (though not redundant) anchor point. Where as the water knot in tubular will reduce the materials strength by half.

@aaizner847 3 года назад

Please forgive my ignorance; I'm self-taught. What's wrong with just using a doubled up section of a 550 cord, wrapped around a carabiner? I can't think when I'd need to lift more than 1100lbs with my flip line, and the paracord/carabiner bundle doesn't even take up 1/4 of the pocket I keep it in.

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

Yep that would work too. You can use most ropes and just tie it to a d-ring with a bowline if you want to keep it really simple. The advantage of the fancy webbing is that it can be used as a boat or shore anchor for a mechanical advantage system.

@jessiedav578 2 года назад

thank you so much for these awesome videos, I always learn somethin or other. Just a suggestion, when you post links to products, maybe consider posting the link to the actual company instead of Amazon, that way when people take your great advice and buy something off your links, they can help keep a few bucks out of Amazons pocket. Thanks again!

@GearGarageTV 2 года назад

We get a commission from Amazon when you use those links. If you don’t want to support Amazon the just search for the product and buy it somewhere else.

@bearsharkp3901 Год назад

A pocket a bit more forward would be cool for this application. There are also snap/Velcro combination rapid opening pouches/pockets/flaps we use in the army that would be handy for this

@American5270 Год назад

When I started guiding someone had died due to their belt line. So we weren't even taught that method. I like to put my line in the soft pocket on the pfd that doesn't have a zipper because it's easier to deploy

@briandoss5321 3 года назад

Great Video again, Thanks! What is the length of the runner you use?

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

10' for smaller boats and 12' for larger boats. This is the runner I like amzn.to/3rTbPdG.

@petebenson5030 Год назад

Talking about clean lines. I have sort of have some first hand experience. I flipped in horn in a fully rigged 18' boat. I came up under the boat and it took a while to find the edge of the boat. I tried to haul myself out, but something stopped me under the water. I tried again harder, no dice. For an instant I thought this was it. Then I felt around and realized an oarlock was hooking the sternum of my PFD. Maybe if the pfd had been tighter, or I had been a different design I might have come straight up. But really if I had entered further left and pulled harder it would not have been an issue. I did have an old school flip line and biner in my pocket. It took six of us to unflip that boat.

@GearGarageTV Год назад

Thank you for sharing your story

@benjamindbailey 3 года назад

Cool! Going to give this a shot. Is a non-locking (like the Mad Rock bent gate) caribiner OK for the purpose of flipping a raft if I store it inside my vest, or is there a downside to a non-locking while flipping a boat?

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

I would suggest using a locking carabiner for every whitewater application

@benjamindbailey 3 года назад

@@GearGarageTV OK, thanks! I have heard to use a locking but one person I know has a non-locking for a specific use he keeps in his jacket.

@coryweaver3044 4 года назад

Hi Zach, what size would you recommend for the Bluewater Anchor Sling for running a 14ft raft? It looks like the make a 10ft and 12ft. I would use it as a flip line in my pocket like you suggested and want to make sure it is long enough to get leverage while flipping. Thanks!

@GearGarageTV 4 года назад

I'm not exactly sure. If you're tall go with the longer one. If you're shorter maybe go with the shorter one.

@msilva3084 3 года назад

This may be a dumb question, but why a locking caribener? That just seems like extra weight and an extra step vs a non locking one.

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

So that you don't get accidentally clipped into it when a boat flips or something else happens

@LoganLovell 2 года назад

I'm working on refining what I keep on my PFD and what I leave in my dry bag, and your videos have been super helpful, thanks!

@GearGarageTV 2 года назад

Awesome- I’m so glad to hear that

@hugejackedman1951 3 года назад

if you tie a knot in your webbing the strength is reduced 30-40% so the sewn sling is probably stronger in an anchor situation as long as you don't tie a knot in it

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

Great point. Thanks for the comment!

@NobleEndeavours123 2 года назад

I've lost count of how many of these episodes I've watched over the past few months without leaving a comment of appreciation. I whitewater solo canoe however I find many of the topics you discuss on this channel very useful and thought provoking. Just wanted to say thanks for doing this!

@GearGarageTV 2 года назад

Thanks for the nice comment! I'm stoked you're enjoying the show.

@NobleEndeavours123 2 года назад

@@GearGarageTV I enjoyed today's show too. I am wondering if the low floatation thing comes from surfing/windsurfing. In that sport a similar argument is used to support the need for low/no floatation so that you can dive under/through crashing waves

@johnbrunzell 2 года назад

Great meeting you last night! Also thank you for your continued education!! You are very appreciated!!

@GearGarageTV 2 года назад

Yes it was great to meet you too!

@dcmacken 4 года назад

What about the length of your flip line?

@GearGarageTV 4 года назад

It depends on how tall you are and the boat you're using. You want to be able to attach it to a d-ring and be able to lean back on the upside down raft. Lengths between 10 and 12 feet works for most people and most boats.

@nickg4757 2 года назад

Thanks Zach!

@davidberg5819 4 года назад

How long should the flip line be

@GearGarageTV 4 года назад

It somewhat depends on the boat you’re using and how tall you are. You want to be able to clip it to a d-ring on the raft and be able to stand on the opposite tube.

@alexandrevaliquette1941 2 года назад

3:13 Here is the main issue: Proper risk management requires proper statistics. Question A: In the last 20 years, how many raft guides died because the personal flip line got stuck on something? Question B: How many hours on the river did all the raft guides in the world get in the last 20 years? Divide A/B X 100 000 hours = accident frequency rate per 100 000 hours. Then, compare that "frequency rate" with the "frequency rate for all the other whitewater users". I would bet that this risk is not over represented, even if you use a non-locking carabiner to get extra speed. Of course, nobody wants to be "that statistic". Often, we put a lot of energy to manage a low risk, but don't care too much for a way higher risk (think life in general). Thank you for your video, thumbs up for me!

@j.ottman1115 3 года назад

Excellent, thanks Zach. Well done. Will be losing the trusty webbing and gaining the extra room in the front pocket...

@GearGarageTV 3 года назад

I did the same last year and am loving the new slings

@flaxendlconway7134 5 лет назад

Great episode, Zach. I always learn a lot from you! I have to say that I converted over to this method after taking Nate Ostis's Swiftwater Rescue Course. I love that it takes up such little room and fits easily in a PFD pocket!

@GearGarageTV 5 лет назад

Awesome. Did you get the same Bluewater flip line or do you use something else?

@flaxendlconway7134 5 лет назад

I got one from Metolius...can't think of the name of it. Sorry.