MODERN MODE JAPANESE PLAYERS SMOKED ME 

There should be some kind of restriction between traditional and modern control players. Modern controls is a direct upgrade from traditional. Maybe have modern control players earn rank slower than traditional control players? That would incentivize the use of traditional. Tho for tournaments i have no idea how rules about this will be.

@@damsen978 The thing is tho they dont want to incentivize the use of traditional, there is a reason when u started the beta it automatically put u on modern. They want you to use modern and is the way they see the future of their game.

@@damsen978 Daigo in his play sessions played people on modern, and he fell to some of the Modern traps, you know how many times? once. He adapted to modern control shenanigans in one fight. Top players aren't top just because they do qcf,qcf very fast. Modern or not top players gonna keep being top and scrubs will keep being scrubs. The only ones they might suffer are the middle ranks, the ones that because can easily beat bottom of the bottom of the barrel players think their shit doesn't smell, those are the ones that gonna cry foul when they lose to someone using modern.

@@damsen978 lmao the Copuim is so hard

@@TypicalBlakk What copium? I don't even play fighting games. So shut your hole kid.

Pretty much. Modern has those quick reaction supers, so you have to be mindful of it like A groove in cvs2.

Ism my ass...Fast pitch baseball vs t-ball.

All I'm saying is viewership gonna tank if dudes just be standing there reacting with 1 button. Gonna make things stale to watch. Imagine evo moment #37 but daigo just held parry.. think the whole convention would have gone crazy like they did?

@@x260houtori that moment will never be topped so why even bring it up

Yup. It's actually a balanced feature. There's also reduced damage on special moves done with modern inputs

Yep, It's broken by design.

@sturdyelement You do not understand the game or its nuance. IT has nothing to do with boomer controls, the issue is the game is designed around boomer controls fundamentally. You need to balance for both control archetypes and execution should be rewarded. Even ryu in ssbu has quarter circle inputs that gets rewarded. Also walking up and doing these commands is difficult to do without misinputting. The game is designed around this.

@sturdyelement modern is supposed to remove inputs so newcomers who cant get a grip on that mechanic dont feel overwhelmed. the problem is they also change specials and supers so theres no delay. the pros are already starting to realize they have to use this. why is this a problem then? because modern is also packaged with a negative thats meant to balance out the ease of use: you lose normals versatility. this doesnt help. removing the delay for inputting specials is way more important than a couple of neutral options. but the reduced moveset is still going to make the game more boring to watch. and like the other guy said already, the game isnt balanced for instant supers, meaning offensive options will be shut down by the threat of instant punishes, making things even more boring. its a fn mess tbh

@sturdyelement and if people don't like it and the game dies then capcom will have to get over it and maybe focus on stuff the casuals actually want which is more fair monetization

I'm a classic Luke and pull of lvl 3 supers like that all the time. The modern player read Justin and was prepared to react with super most likely and it is very possible to do that on classic if you have the read and you're just waiting for them to run into you or DI or w/e

That's the modern trade off. For the onebutton specials you lose half your buttons, which can and will make or break a match. You just have to adapt and deal with the new restriction since you've gained so much elsewhere.

​@@shirakani Yeah that's what I was thinking too. The trade off becomes really apaprent when you watch Modern users play. Haha, I wish people would just watch the match before complaining, but oh well.

@@demidevilqueen I actually do like to watch how Modern players deal with the trade off... Losing half your buttons is a lot harder than most realize and in this example Luke is supposedly one of the 'better' characters in Modern. Capcom definitely have a very hard task ahead of them balancing the viability of Modern vs Classic but if they can do it, then it'll benefit everyone as a whole as this sort of evolution of FG's is required for the genre to go past being a niche thing that only certain people can play.

@@shirakani Like I mentioned, just add the special and assist button to the classic mode, this way the players can keep the benefits from the both world.

@@shirakani Luke is missing only 2 normals on modern, and he has access to all of his specials.

Reversal Bear Grab for days.

He be dishing out the ZanGrief

I think there was Japanese blog post regarding it, he has one button SPD.

"The power of Gief, in the palm of my hand." "Unbalanced as everything should be."😂

1 button SPD 😮

I heard Gief will only have access to light SPD in modern, so the threat of being KOd with 3 SPDs is greatly diminished.

@@Danceofmasks is that light will be used for the ap button but you can still do the manual input like with Chun Li spinning bird kick? I hope so.

Dhalsim will probably be really bad on modern controls because losing a lot of his normals would make him much worse

Most character combos are easy to learn except for Dhalsim and Akuma, I welcome Modern Controls so I can pull off the combos I want now with minimal mistakes.

@@vendictawhitford488 combos aren't the advantage of modern, not really. The best thing is not showing buffering in neutral. If your character isn't crouching before throwing out a hadoken, your opponent has less time to react. You also get more reaction time, such as if you get jumped on. In actual combos, you want to do the motion input to maximise your damage.

You can buffer in the forward x 2 inputs before the move finishes! It's very lenient too. That knowledge helped me with drive rush combos a lot

@@liljon042 Ahh thanks man! That's gonna really help ;O

Imagine evo moment #37 but daigo just held parry lol. The auditorium would have been silent lol.

Most people don't have the discipline to practice motion inputs. It's the reality sadly

Hilarious that I didn’t notice I was missing inputs until I played against another Chun and went to check Classic movesets after the matches. Honestly made me cry

I'm just now getting into street fighter and she was gonna be my main. I've been wondering if modern or classic is better but by this comment I feel like I should 100% choose classic moving forward

@@Gerud0 Plus if you get over the learning hurdle for playing in classic (since you're a newcomer & I'm saying this not knowing at all how much fighting game experience you have in general), you'll really be able to do a lot more in general. It'll honestly feel amazing being able to do all these different things you otherwise couldn't do in modern. Chun-Li has always been my main in Street Fighter & I can say for sure that once you get the hang of her she is amazing.

yoga guy as well

All charge characters are also super bad in modern because you still have to charge the exact same, but you still lose tons of good stuff for the characters, so the very very little you gain is offset by what you lose, and the hard parts of the character type in the first place still exists entirely

Justin posted a picture with Daigo

Probably the footage isn't out yet

Not if you have good muscle memory no it's not lol plus you have more options to get around.

Muscle memory? Lol

Everyone complaining, but the funny thing is...... You can do it to u choose to make the game harder on yourself

@@1017himi Just chose not to play the game instead of dealing with woke controls in a competitive environment

@@guymontag5084 don't sound to competitive to me if everyone is leaving bc they cant beat modern controllers a competitor is going to find out how. But your chose is cool to, I would punk out to if I played classic and couldn't beat modern lol

You havent tried him yet? Tried him for the first time in the SF6 demo, fun to play. I went back and tried him in SFV and feels overall the same.

I mean Luke was 100% using manual inputs for his specials as he was using different variations of his flash knuckle. Probably only using auto input to react to fireballs and jump ins.

No it isnt, fuck cheating controls.

modern most of the time doesn't even take all the normals. Modern is cracked. The only downside to modern is that not every modern is created equally

I was in the same boat regarding first proper street fighter game etc. Trust me convert to Classic, its a game changer.

Just takes some time to practice mate. You appreciate the journey and when it becomes muscle memory

For real this is literally more degenerate than hitbox lol

@@erikharnden7952 these modern controls are awful, not fair.

hitbox costs money, everyone who has SF6 has access to this.

@@NeverToBeSeenAgain Sure, but do we really want everyone to start playing with ''this'' because it's more optimal? Modern control are less expressive, offer less control, are less kinetic and fun to use (imho), offer less variety in play style and execution, it lowers the skill ceiling... it will make the game more accessible but leave less room for mindgames and impressive plays. Having access to it doesn't make it a good thing for me, because if Modern is the only way to be competitive at this game, then I'd rather not play.

@@Psil0 oh yea I'm not saying its a good thing, but that is why there is less pushback. I'm still on the fence until I see more play at the top level because it does have its pros and cons, just gotta see if its balanced or not. I do think it opens the door for Capcom to do interesting things with balance because they could swap out moves in a characters modern moveset to change their balance.

Thank you my friend

Agreed

I remember that shit. Never touched that junk.

@semiserioussam it was good for beating shin Akuma and god rugal lmao.

That's what's going to make Guile so good with modern...100% flash kicks

@@ADreamingTraveler Meh... You don't get to jump on Guile players anyway. And they still have to charge. Flash kick is basically up + kick on classic. Modern doesn't improve flash kicks much. It's actually better with Shoryukens because 1 the motion is slower and 2 classic input makes you leave crounching stance and makes you hurtbox bigger for a few frames.

@@ADreamingTraveler wdym? flash kicks are already 100% on keyboard or hitbox.

​​@@guymontag5084 hitbox classic is faster then modern flash kick. I am controller player that plays classic.. Only time I enjoy modern is with zangief.. Even I can win more in modern.. It's just not as fun.. I have never taken zangief ever in any game.. So me using modern on him feels like im playing him as intended.. If I were to use ryu as noder id feel off.

Yeah. Noobs are thinking modern controls are broken or something because these influencers want clicks.

This has potential to create a Strive situation where the identity the series once had, and it's fans, are completely alienated for the hopes of mass appeal. A risk with deep and extreme downsides. They're relying on all the other mechanics and content of the game to distract. If SFV had this, the franchise would've been killed there and then.

@@riffcrypt8438 what do you mean “hopes of mass appeal,” everybody and their grandma knows street fighter

@@soupwithpotatos1542 Let me rephrase, hopes of gaining a new playerbase.

@@riffcrypt8438 Except this is SF and has a much easier time actually reaching out to a wider player base. Guilty Gear isn't in the same league in this particular case (Not saying it's not a good series). Have you played on Modern Controls yet? It didn't remove the games identity at all.

No you were just bodied by a better player.

@@ElJosher I just beat your ass lmao

Go classic. If you want to play at a "higher level" then having part of your moveset removed is off the table. Grind classic. You'll eventually be able to do everything someone using modern can do and more.

Learn classic and modern, try to find what’s best for you, fighting games will take years to play at a high level, at least 2 years most, depending on the game and character So just grind it out and find what’s best for you and mess around with other characters if you’re interested in different archetypes likes rushdown, zoners, grapplers ect

@@jonathansuttle7678Well…not *everything* but you can get close. No matter how good a super buffer is that’s still a millisecond more than a single button tap

How old are you curious?

Try both, see if you like which. I would start with modern, they give less mental burden and let you focus on more important thing.

So basicallly super easy compared to what u normallly would have to do

People are so focused on the damage nerf (that is much smaller than people realise and can also be bypassed with manual inputs) and just ignore what other implications it could have for the game. I think nerfing the damage on normal attacks too will go a long way to solving it.

@@evilweevle Ironically, the damage in modern is actually higher than in classic. 1. Most of the supers executed in classic will be hit confirmed with prior strings. And the scaling for supers at the end of a combo is much higher than the damage penalty for raw supers executed in modern. There will only be rare occasions in classic where a raw super will connect because you have to buffer it or executing it on reaction will limit the usability to a smaller range of use-cases. 2. Substitution of supers in classic for a special move does not result in a much lower overall damage. 3. Modern does not restrict you to modern shortcuts. You can still do the motion and deal the same damage. 4. Modern gives additions options to dump meter resulting in less waste. 5. The threat of an instant raw super or easy dp reduces the opponents' options drastically. => Allows the modern player to play more offensively. => More damage.

@@romzen do you actually lose moves with Modern, or can you still do *all* manual inputs if you choose?

@@darkchild130 You always have to sacrifice a number of moves in modern. Some normals entirely. Some can only be used when pressing the assist button or after prior use of other normals.

@@romzen seems like a minor trade off for instance reaction times.

Nah. The in game matchmaking(ranked and unranked) system is not seperated, and there was no option to do so in the beta. So I think it's fair to assume official CPT events won't be seperate either. And if CPT event's won't be, it's unlikely and majort tournaments will either.

Brings more players to the SF scene. So I can see the logic in implementing them

Online??

@@philliplamb-jh7bf yeah, during the beta. Forgot that when I changed character for the first time I had to change settings too 😅

You can still input motions depending on the character. Luke still has sandblast and all his knuckle stuff

There something satisfying about being able to play like a pro, when you ain't even close and would likely never get there!

@formulaic78 I'm new to sf but I can sure input an EWGF Gimme classic controls. AN INPUT IS AN INPUT

@@tacitozetticci9308 I can as well but doing it the exact frame you get up off the ground is something my brain can’t process

@@formulaic78modern ain’t making anyone play like a pro

Practice more and you'll be able to. Don't cop out and take the easy way.

​@@dillpickl4416If not a cop out because even if you practice all of that, you still have to practice your reactions and your spacing. There is still skill even with one button reactions. The solar the game is not built on input alone

@@dillpickl4416 Actually it's not a practice issue. Ryus overhead is 20 frames of start up, the average human reaction time is 15 frames, the game has been tested to have 3 frames of input lag, that gives you 2 frames to input a DP which is impossible because a DP requires three directions. Even if you take someone like Daigo's 12 frame reaction time that gives you five frames to input a DP which is ridiculous, maybe a hotbox shortcut could pull it off but it's still pretty unfeasible hence why even pro players resort to just blocking overheads.

No they are not lol all the big tourneys allow them including Capcom cup.