not sure about that Moebius went on to Japan and came back with tons of manga he got fascinated he promoted manga in france and then there are influences on both sides even before that with cubism and japonism but most of all, Miyazaki and Moebius seem to share a lot in common more than Otomo
Yea, well it's been quite documented, and OTmo has been outspoken about it. See: www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-04-09/akira-katsuhiro-otomo-remembers-french-artist-moebius Or: biblioklept.org/2015/03/05/flowers-a-short-moebius-inspired-comic-by-katsuhiro-otomo/ And if you haven't read it yet, I highly recommend Domu (the manga that precedes Akira), which is quite clear in its homage to Moebius, but also the beginning of Otomo developping his very own style and universe. As for Moebius and Manga he was surprisingly old school, conservative and very critical of the manga industry, which he did not consider for a long time as true artistry. Of course, I could relay some interviews, but do you understand French ? Anyway, it's easier to be sure about things when they are rooted in, you know, facts and examples. Cheers !
@@tomforsythe7024 'Politicians': aka, the folks who are actually willing to work to achieve their goals, instead of making excuses, blaming others, and simply complaining about it.
He was a sweet man. I met him at a signing at Forbidden Planet in NYC, brought a postcard because that was all I could afford, and he did a full sketch on the back.
Dollie's crazy outfit at 16:48 could absolutely be the inspiration behind Queen Amidala fashion. Both have a Japanese flair with literally out-of-this-world hairdo and accessories.
On Moebius' style: when doing SF comics, Moebius used a fine-nib pen to get the same line weights throughout the composition, both for the essential base drawing and hatching. Although he did rely heavily on colour in a lot of his work, his use of hatching, crosshatching and stipple depended upon the situation. For panels depicting panoramic urban or technological scenes, for example, he'd simply use the basic line as he was already putting in tremendous detail. If his backgrounds were less crowded or in closeups, he'd use hatching and the other techniques to add depth, such as with the panel when Club retrieves the box from the locker. Other times, he'd add in a few hatch strokes or dots just to spice things up a bit in what otherwise would be fairly blank panels with stark linework, or in panels of medium depth, to make the art more visually interesting. As he further refined his style over the years and experimented, his linework became sharper and he leaned more and more on colour and tonal shading to create visual depth and his shading strokes became even more minimalist, as is evident in his later SF works such as The World Of Adena and The Incal, and works he executed when he started using the graphic tablet. Now, when doing his Blueberry Western comics (as Jean Gir), he drew with the brush to get starker contrasts, heavier lineweights to emphasize shading direction and foreground objects or figures, economically rendered thick and thin hatch strokes, and to lay down heavy blacks for value. This was also a standard style with a lot of the Western and adventure comics that were being published in France, Belgium, Italy and Spain that was common to those genres (e.g. Hugo Pratt's Corto Maltese; although Pratt, I think, mixed it up with both the brush and the pen for his panels).
His hatching was very reminiscent of Dorés engravings and is absolutely sublime. I knew a collector when I lived in France who had some of his original drawings and they were absolutely spectacular.
Yeah the Gir/Moebius distinction is fascinating. There's a cool non-Blueberry western he did as Gir called Mississippi River too, brush inked and much more traditional looking. It was actually published in Metal Hurlant (because Blueberry was on hiatus due to a royalties dispute with its publisher). But it was signed Gir since it was Gir style. The pen really transformed Gir into Moebius, that's where he got magical to me. I like Gir, but I LOVE Moebius. He was actually torn between the two identities, his traditional and avante-garde sensibilities separated out like a split personality. But Blueberry was actually his cash cow. In his own words, commercially Blueberry (ie Gir) was the sponsor of Moebius, the former selling 100k and the latter selling 10k.
i am no artist.. but Moebius has captured my imagination since childhood. I read Heavy Metal mag for many years and always gravitated to Moebius. been collecting his prints and books for years. just very evocative.
One of the best decisions i've ever taken as a comic book fan is to subscribe to your channel man, you take comicbooks as a form of art not just as entertainment and i thank you for that.
Fun fact: the demons on the album cover of SLAYER "Hell Awaits" were completely stolen from Moebious artwork from an issue of Heavy Metal by the artist Albert Cuellar. He also ripped of Frank Frazetta and Bernie Wrightson on the cover artwork he did for the SLAYER album "Live Undead."
Highly detailed backgrounds is the most salient Moebius trope to me. His backgrounds were often just as detailed as the foreground. There's a "see something new every time" aspect to his work.
1. Man speaks about one of the most important names in comics and the various ways he influenced pop culture. Perennial favourites like Alien, Star Wars and Blade Runner are discussed. 2. The audience: BUT TEH FRENSH TOOOAAASSST :D
david vincent yes, there are industrial baguettes in France and Western Europe to, we eat them everyday and we do not stop calling them a baguette because of that.
The bread is no problem, but most will eat it with creamy cheese like camembert, rustique, blue, etc... and a glass of red wine! 🍷🔪 It's like eating pasta with nothing, but freshly baked bread can be good on it's own.
Yup. And from here it went all the way to the deepest levels of hell, except the fries. Seriously, having to eat that could make him hate France and us French. If one day I have to visit my family in the US, I'm really afraid of what "french" food I may find there.
@@ProductionARF No certainly not a baguette but some sort of arcturian scum that looks like baguette but has the texture os some spongy fongus, the most horrible baguette i have ever seen!!
Same! I i read the Incal first, then the long tomorrow second. I absolutely loved both, then i eventually read everything else that moebius made. His work was def. an inspiration in my own artworks and he will forever be remembered.
Hey Man, Moebius is my favourite artist of all time, and this was a great video. I have to say your channel is very underrated and super entertaining. Keep it up man
Quick update - I watched the He-Man Master of the univers documentary (netflix) yesterday and suprise suprise! ... Moebius did the early sketches of the main heros. Of course he redesigned them a bit and Mattel was not too happy LOL. This He-Man documentary is a must watch because we see the creative process behind the toy line, the TV show and the movie.
My bff is a comic expert, starwars megafan, blade runner fan, and a comic store mgr. He has no idea about this influence. You have gifted me an opportunity to surprise him, which is rare at this point in his trajectory. I am buying moebius for him and sharing this vid at him when he receives it.
oh my sweet jerry cornelius! he is in for such a massive world of wonder I nearly envy him, the sheer joy I felt when I first discovered Moebius in 1977 Heavy Metal, Mind BLOWN!! Even now after all these decades, his art still blows my mind!
You should maybe have mentioned, that Jean Giraud / Moebius has two very different Styles. he also signes his Work differently: He allways signed lt. Blueberry with "Gir" and his SciFi/Fantasy Work with "Moebius". His Work as Moebius is much more minimalistic than his work as Gir
Actually he nearly have 3, when he worked for editorial comics, kind of humoristic cartoons, he used his Gir name and drew a lot more simplistic, something between Sempé and Peanuts. Definitely a genius
I wish that comics were respected as an art form in the U.S. Like it is in Europe and the rest of the world. They are an American invention that should be celebrated.
They're not respected in France. Not at all by the politics or the so-called intellectuals, even the nerds are 65% mangas 30% US comics, 5% others stuffs. Most people don't even know who Moebius or Mezières or Jodorowsky are, they think the 5th element came out the mind of Besson by accident... French comics used to be something really huge in sci-fi, but they're out-fashioned since decades. Simply because the governments never helped them. Literature is respected over everything in France, our elits thinks culture is all about books and words. This is why they don't want music, they want french songs, they don't want cinema, they want french dialogues on screen... Our French cultural policy is made this way, and as a result we just had to support more and more stupid songs and stupid comedies. But they hate comics, especially fiction because there's beautiful poetic pictures in it. It tarnish the beauty of the sacred French language... And with science-fiction, imagine... The heroes aren't even Frenchmen, what a nightmare !
No sadly in Europe comics didn't get the attention they deserve; I always thought it is more respected in the US! hihi :-). But I think in both US and Europe comics are getting more attention
Yeah pretty much the same here in Germany. Comics are not respected. But lately the comic marked is growing at least in Germany. But Manga is the most read by young people and I am wondering why?
Great video! I read The Long Tomorrow when I was 12 or so. I blowed my mind. Later I knew Moebius was Jean Giraud, the same artist that drew Blueberry, and I simplu couldn´t believe it!!! Great job, discovering unknown artist for the U.S. general public! There´s much more out there to see than superheroes!
I guess these are the "Arcturians" that were referred to by the Marines, in the mess hall scene, in James Cameron's "Aliens". Corp Hicks laughs at the other Marine for supposedly banging a "male", and since they are shapeshifters, it becomes clear why he would say that, "it didn't matter because it was an "Arcturian"..,Anybody think I'm right? I'm right....
I like Moebius as my wallpaper. My type of vibe. Not too distracting for a wallpaper but still filled with detail, so every now & then I catch a few seconds of looking around, thinking.
I have a signed postcard sized, drawing by Moebius. He was at "Comic Kingdom" in San Diego, in the 80's. He would look at you, then draw what ever he decided from his observation. He just used a felt rip pen. It was quick & flawless.
Yup one of my greatest influences as well.. one story which jives with this vid is while I was working on Prometheus and meeting with Ridley the first time.. it was just the two of us meeting to discuss the engineers and ancestors of the Alien creature.. Ridley dropped “The long Tomorrow “ in front of me.. I had a big stupid smile on my face for two reasons. first I hadn’t seen it in such a long time and it brought back all kinds of happy feelings and Ridley was presenting it to my for influence for a certain sequence that was later cut from the film.. but I proposed we use that scene where Dolly transforms right on top of the guy..of course it would have been inverted for the Hollloway love scene ...anyway ...good stuff here..
Actually not really, some historians said that it is from belgium, others from paris as " Pommes-Frites ", it depends, some said that it existed a long long time ago so no, fries aren't Belgian, at least there are no proof.
well French fries are definitely not french... we call them belgium here, but ulltimately Potatoes comes from south america Though fried shaped cutted potatoes seems to have an unclear origin in the western world, wether in belgium (XVII century) or france (1789) its more than probable that native americans came up with it earlier... But they're definitely not seen as french food nor belgium as it seems you guys eat most of them.
This is a thorny question. First, in France, the French fries terms do not exist, any more than Belgian fries: They are called simply french fries. For the historical part, I will base my memory on a reading that I made about it a few years ago (and I do not remember the reference). Basically, it was said that the first mentions written on fries come from Belgium, but a menu mentioning potatoes fried in goose fat about a decade after this Belgian writing was found in the region of Toulouse. The written records do not mention how long ago this practice existed in either of the two countries, it is for the moment impossible to decide this oh so thorny question! ;) Can be in a third country? ...: p
That was exactly what I thought. That was some burnt bread with some dark oil on top. Maybe the person that made it knew of the French term “pain perdu," meaning “lost bread." That half education still troubles me. To make french toast, you first dip slices of bread in a mixture of beaten eggs, milk, cinnamon and vanilla. Then you fry the egg-coated bread in a pan until browned. The person who made this version of "french toast" must have started a house fire and somewhere in between the raging flames, decided to toss bread into the inferno. Meanwhile, a large oil tanker crashed ashore and provided the syrup? Catastrophe? You bet!! French toast? The fuck is wrong with you?!?
4 года назад
@@deadowl7709 Cinnamon ? Vanilla ? Still an americanized version. I can count on the fingers of a seal the recipes of french sweet cuisine that have cinnamon and vanilla (well, we use vanilla-sugar in some recipes to kil the egg flavour like in the "île flottante" and the only time I've used or seen used cinnamon is on Rice with Milk recipe "riz au lait"). It's sugar, egg and butter (real butter) and nothing else. Still, funny answer ! :)
@ There is a version of that in germany without sugar. It's called "Arme Ritter" (poor knights) and it's basically old, dry bread soaked in milk and egg, fried in a pan with salted butter. And if you were really poor, you left the eggs out.
@ , DEAD OWL's version is the same as how I've always made french toast, the cinnamon and vanilla are optional, we don't add the sugar with the egg/milk but it is served sometimes with a powdered sugar topping and always with plenty of syrup (usually maple syrup) available and yes I am an American.
Great video! I love Moebius. I recomend the French SciFi animated film "Les Maîtres du temps" (The Masters of time) for which Moebius did the design and co-wrote the script. Has a lot of the tropes you presented. Very trippy at parts and it scared the hell outa me as a child.
@@tomforsythe7024 not referring to shooting the Arcturian, at least... not with a gun (Lenny face). Rewatch Aliens when you've got a chance or are so inclined to hear how Cameron worked a reference to this story possibly/probably into the film.
Dude, your channel is my current obsession. Love what you’re doing. Funny story I had to share with you: I’m much like you, a famously finicky eater, but when my wife and I were in Paris, I promised I would be adventurous. And I was, even eating a couple of things she wouldn’t. But escargot is snails, and I could not get past that. We took the leap to try it at the Louvre, and my wife dug right in. Loved it. Insisted it was like a delicious garlic and butter pork treat. And honestly, it was, and I liked it, but nope. My body wouldn’t have it. And that’s the story of the time I puked escargot around the corner from the Venus De’Milo and the Mona Lisa.
if you woulda said turned in sugar and cinnamon also it would have been what we in sweden call "fattiga riddare" or rougly; Poor (finanicially) knights. Often done on stale regular bread or Wienerbröd/danish pastry/Kopenhagener Gebäck A real quick and easy kids favourite
Just recently became a sub 4 days ago...brother let me thank you out right for all your hard work and amazing content. Jean Girard is my favorite artist of all time...this is gonna be a treat. cheers Mr tropes.
there is this sci-fi comic book called "ficcionario" by Horacio Altuna and Carlos Trillo that is also influenced by moebius but it is way more trashy, horacio altuna by the way is one amazing artist that is very popular in spain and france
@@mehernoshtarapore8902 Carlos Trillo used to work with everyone in Argentina. He was one of the most prolific authors ever, along Oesterheld, Robin Wood and Ray Collins.
I have just noticed that dave gibbons also took some inspiration for the distopian reality of Watchmen, specially the cloth looks very similar to the moebius style.
Oh man, u did that for us man? U ate the discusting, slimmy-ass freaking gastropod mollusk ! I am flattered and actually impressed with your dedication to keeping entertainment an important piece of your channel and that's ontop of all the insightful examinations of various artists and other creators. I've learned quite a bit about these talented people behind the artwork watching your videos. I am also always very much entertained whenever I watch comic tropes. Thank you for eating a uber creepy, slime secreting cold dead slug Chris.
It's really salty... Ewugh! ...It has a weird aftertaste... It's consistency is discusting.... Or something like that, whatever you said but I'm laughing Evey single time I think about it. LoL.. Ha that is some funny stuff there.
Love how Chris is grossed out by escargot and then cleanses his palate with A HOT DOG, which probably contains a load more disgusting things than the snail does.
True but he's use to the taste of hot dog. He seems to be grossed out not by the actual taste but by the idea of essentially eating bugs so he went for something more comforting to him.
10:45 quiver-shivs might have helped influence lightsabers a bit but this probably came out after the dune series where they have those vibrating knives that at least in name sound like inspiration for quiver-shivs as while they glow (possibly from heating up or from being made of plasma blades) the name makes it sound like they vibrate or make a really fast movement in the blade that aids cutting
Comic Tropes : hello, i'm french, i love Jean Giraud 's work an i think he is "the" master of "Bande dessinée" ;). I didn't know that he has influenced Gibson and Carpenter, thank you for this video.
This is an awesome vid. One of your best ones so far. I want to track down some of Moebius' work. I love art that leave a indelible mark and motivate future generations. I love how your vids inspire me to look deeper into this hobby. Keep up the great work.
The episode I was hoping for! Moebius is just some brilliant stuff! Apart from that, you gave a look of genuine discomfort while preparing for a bite o escargot lol 😂 I don't blame ya, I never tried it either
Well done! Moebius is truly a wellspring of inspiration. I love the mix of artistic complexity and storyline simplicity in The Long Tomorrow. I recall seeing it for the first time in the "adult" basement section of a Sacramento, CA record/comic book store. If you ever get the chance to visit France or Belgium, be sure to check out the comic/graphic novel stores - truly an awesome experience.
Nice vid !! Moebius actually started his career drawing Blueberry, a great western genre comic book, really a great comic book. His style was initially similar to that of Jijè. his master, which made western comic book and other stuff, as well anyway Giraud brought a lot more of realism evolving his style and becoming a great master after some year. At the same time, he did other drawings and even painted some sci fi covers for novels and magazines into a totally other style and that evolved to style he signed as Moebius. As Moebius he revolutionized french comic books, together with other artists , founding the magazine Metal Hurlant (Heavy metal in USA) all the rest is history !
These videos are great. They're more interesting because he comes up with things to do other than talk about comics. Like having guests, or enjoying a bottle of wine and slowly getting drunker during the video. It's like you're just hanging out at his house. (His french toast looked super burned, though.) The videos would be even better if they had a couch and a coffee table with some snacks on it.
I love Moebius! I discovered him back in thhe 90´s, and have his series Incal (published in Portuguese by Meriberica), something in Spanish, and once I got an isseu by Dark Horse comics that is a collection of many pieces (Is the man good?, Trip to Pharagonescia and others). He´s one of the best ever! Thanks for the tribute. Bye!
This is a great, break down, analysis on him and his work. Another sci-fi movie that immediately comes to mind that I can tell he influenced was The Avatar movie.
I was just thinking of how to explain the sound to Americans. The vocal in 'Dirt' without the 'r' at the end is the best I could come up with yet. Try it like: Mir-bee-us :D
Don't let that fear get to you. Frog legs have a very mild taste, mostly comparable to something like chicken. The texture is also just that of a tender meat. There's absolutely nothing to be worried about except that, at worst, it may not be your new favorite food.
Thank you so much for some of these videos. They introduce people to a lot of comics that they wouldntve otherwise heard. I loved the one about Cerebus and I am a fan of it now. You should try one on Asterix maybe.
It's really unbelievable how this short collaboration with Dan O'Bannon single handedly shaped the face of SciFi for the next decades, in comic books, manga, movies, novels and whatnot. Without this little story, we wouldn't have Blade Runner, Alien, Fifth Element, Akira, Neuromancer, the whole cyberpunk thing and so much more. What an achievement.
This reminds me so much of the movie Heavy Metal. I know that you mentioned that he was involved with that magazine but the movie, specifically the story with the cab driver Echoes this story.
Excellent video! I'll add that if you look at any of Ridley Scott's pre-production artwork for Blade Runner, he drew roughty in the style of Jean Giraud. Also, Tarsem Singh's The Fall is clearly heavily influenced by The Airtight Garage in particular, especially the costumes. Singh is known for 'borrowing' visual ideas from others. Here's a story I've never written down before. When i was in college, I worked a summer job for a Hollywood miniature shop. For reference, my last day was when they started up on Ghostbusters and 2010 (I'm old). One of my jobs was to rearrange the storage bins out back. I couldn't help looking at everything in there, including a few things left over from Blade Runner. I came across a stack of pre-production artwork in the style of Moebius from another of their films, Brainstorm, though the technology in the drawings (headsets, etc.) wasn't anything like his designs. In fact it was pretty weak. When I asked about it, they explained that it was drawn by the original Production Designer on Brainstorm, who was let go at some point because they felt he wasn't a good fit. I want to say that it was Robert Boyle, famous for several Hitchcock movies and Fiddler on the Roof, but I'm not sure. In any case, it was confusing to me that he would 'borrow' the drawing style of Jean Giraud but not learn from his design sense. Seemed like a mystery that I would never solve. About a year later I was taking a 'visiting artist' class in Production Design. Hollywood professionals would visit once-a-week for three week runs. One of them turned out to be that same Production Designer. At the end of his first visit, he pulled out a small stack of Lieutenant Blueberry books and started lauding this "French artist unknown to Americans". Mystery solved! So of course the following week I brought in a stack of Moebius books and, just as I was hoping, blew that man's head wide open. I explained Giraud's various pen names, his involvement with Metal Hurlant, and even his work on Alien. The man pulled out his wallet and offered to pay me anything I wanted for that stack of books. Unfortunately several were out of print, so I steered him towards comic book stores.
I love your vlog episodes. I love your examination of Mobius. I get annoyed at Americans approaching foreign food with the expectation that it will smell or taste bad - kind of snobbish.
Awesome episode Chris! I wish you would do a Milo Manara or a Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri episode but since they make erotic comics I guess that wouldn't fly here in youtube...bummer cause they are amazing artists
Milo Manara did make at least one album that is not primarily erotic - actually I am disappointed he then decided to just concentrate on butts. Very talented.
I'm glad you mentioned how he used the language of film to frame his stories, but you failed to mention another unique facet of his: his incredibly varied styles of drawing. Almost 99% of comic artists have just one style - Joe Kubert, Frank Miller, Tony de Zuniga, Neal Adams, etc - but the difference between, say, his westerns and his sci-fi AND his Arzach fantasies are like night and day.
Both Heavy Metal were canadian movies. But since we speak french we are very very aware of Mœbius work. Un fact of all europeen french speaking art and culture (popular or fine arts) Thats the beauty of being canadian.
I was about 10 years old when the movie was released and had no idea what those two soldiers were shouting about. Flash forward to present day: hell.. it's almost as if that scene was a "prelude" to online arguments. lol
I discovered Moebius' works fairly recently, but he has quickly become one of my biggest inspirations, along with comic artists I grew up with, like Domingo Mandrafina and F. Solano López. On a side note, I'd love to see you cover The Eternaut or any other comics from Argentina, if you can get your hands on them.
@@UCKY5 Indeed i'ts Möbius. That vovel is rarely used in english at all. I can find only one old english word coördinated, but even that is not used anymore with the vovel. Example of the vovel in wikimedia: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Close-mid_front_rounded_vowel.ogg
The _Incal_ collaboration with Jodorowsky is probably his most epic work. But I quite like the _Aedena_ series, which also features a lot of his trademark arid landscapes, and these collections of buildings set among them made of adobe blocks or something like that. Yeah, very trippy.
May be they are may be they aren't both nations claim them without ever proving anything, but one thing is for sure they are better in Belgium. I'm French from the Belgium border.
This is a thorny question. First, in France, the French fries terms do not exist, any more than Belgian fries: They are called simply fries. For the historical part, I will base my memory on a reading that I made about it a few years ago (and I do not remember the reference). Basically, it was said that the first mentions written on fries come from Belgium, but a menu mentioning potatoes fried in goose fat about a decade after this Belgian writing was found in the region of Toulouse. The written records do not mention how long ago this practice existed in either of the two countries, it is for the moment impossible to decide this oh so thorny question! ;) Can be in a third country? ...: p
. The written records do not mention how long ago this practice existed in either of the two countries, it is for the moment impossible to decide this oh so thorny question! ;) Can be in a third country? ...: p
When I was a teenager I spent several month's allowance & bought a three volume set of Moebius's strips (autographed!) at my local game store. Fantastic artwork and bizarre stories (plus plenty of nude female artwork which I appreciated :-) ). Especially liked Arzach, the Incal, and standalones like The Long Tomorrow, even if I didn't quite understand what was going on. There's one story where a spaceship pilot activates a hyperspace drive, but there's a malfunction and he's plunged into a hellish landscape. That scared the hell out of me, and perhaps was the inspiration for the film Event Horizon?
I shed a tear everytime is see an american eating "french food" that looks like it's made in china. Because we really want you to taste the real deal. Imagine if every US grandma made [Typical Grandma Dessert] and i went by eating a knock off of it, knowing little; you would be sad too :P
