Moesha was a great student and did typical teenage things and Frank was always unfair to her... but MYLES was smoking weed and doing the most but with zero consequences
He for gave her! And he has a right to be mad she lied! That’s the problem with society these days girls think they can do and say whatever they want and get away with whatever they want until the consequences come then they blame others for their actions! Same old story! I would’ve helped her pack all her sh t and she would’ve been out!
Awww that line right there: “You only call me Moesha when you’re mad at me...but you want me to be pumpkin for the rest of my life...I’m sorry...I can’t”
I agree. Most fathers have a hard time accepting that their pumpkins, princesses, sweethearts, and babies of daughters EVENTUALLY HAVE TO GROW UP. And with growing up, comes BOYS. But Frank was very stubborn and strict. He needed to loosen up a little and give Moesha a little more freedom.
The crazy part is.. Frank proved to be the biggest hypocrite ever! He gets mad at moesha or Dee or anyone for "lying and not acting responsible" when he lied about having another child and cheating on his late wife.
Its ok to parent your kids and everything but Frank goes to the extreme like the only reason Moesha made the decisions she made because Frank ran that house like a damn boot camp she had no privacy couldn't do nothing.....he barely let her hang out at Then Den like Moesha is a responsible young woman like when she was thinking about having sex at least she had birth control and condoms
What the hell he is a man you wanted him to be a weak man to his kids he was actually nice and mind mannered he was just strict with some rules he was also known as promiscuous lol
@@derrbearrr2.076 Well, yes he had skeletons in his closet but Dee is Frank’s second wife. His first wife knew he slept with another woman, but he only slept with her when he and Moesha’s mom were separated not while they were still together, and they actually worked it out, and got back together. I guess that’s why Dee was more quicker to forgive Frank then Moe.
@@a.b.s_productions I think people forget this bit of information. They are acting as if Frank was going behind his first wife's back and cheating on her (not that what he did was right because he was still married to Moesha mom so he shouldn't have slept with another woman). They were living apart for a few months and they thought they weren't going to get back together again. It was not as if he was living secret life.
@@MissLadyG99 Exactly, yes he was still married but whether or no you’re separated from someone for months on end, sometimes people sleep with someone else, it’s a very tough situation especially if you don’t think you’re going to patch things up.
That completely ruined his character tbh. He was a flawed husband and father but after his affair and everything came out it made him into a hypocritical and deceitful person. How do you marry someone and never bother to tell them about an affair baby you had? And how do you preach good morals & responsibility to your kids when you’re the biggest liar?
Frank was so damn irritating literally getting mad at EVERYTHING Moesha did or even didnt do???? And never believed her when she was telling the truth, Clearly did it cuz she's a girl, he didn't even get mad like that when Miles was caught smoking but sure as hell was quick to be on Moesha ass about it when it wasn't even hers. 🙄🙄
even though a lot of people disliked frank's character, its undeniable that he's a realistic depiction of some parents out there. i know a ton of people who's parents, mothers and fathers included, that are just like that.
That’s why we hated Frank…it was both he and Dee were waaaaayyyyy to realistic. Dee reminded me a lot of my stepmom, tough but defended me and my siblings a lot.
I never saw Moesha, but I like the idea that he's a realistic parent (esp bio parent) that doesn't suddenly understand at the end of the episode (tho I don't know how this ep ends so idk lol; But still more realistic than other "strict" tv parents.
what frank doesn’t understand is moe is level headed for a women her age. and he treats like like a middle schooler instead of a young adult. and let’s not forget his double standards. or the fact he even had a love child and cheated on moe’s nother
I didn't like this scene because frank didn't stop her. She just said to put a little more trust in me, said sorry and was probably going to go ahead and be better. My parents literally agreed with him which i still don't understand. It's like parents have double standards like they want us to be more mature unless it benefits them, they say they trust us but always thin were going to do something wrong. it's like we don't know when we need to act our age because if we do were being an adult. She was like 16 and the fact is they had to beg frank to call her, and say for her to come home. Myles was literally had to pull a bigl plan just for her to see her again. then he smoked because that's the only way to get their attention. Its like dee is the one I like. she isn't to hard on them, but just won't let them do whatever they want. LET THEM HAVE A VOICE FRANK.
IKKKKK FRANKS THINKS HE’S THIS ALL MIGHTY PERSON BECAUSE HE’S A MAN!!!! AND ALSO THINKS HE HAS SOME SORT OF GOD COMPLEX TO FEEDS HIS EGO. SO ANNOYING AND HE ALSO HAS DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR HIS KIDS. IVE ALWAYS LIKED DEE BECAUSE SHE’S A REASONABLE PERSON TO DEAL WITH😌💅🏼
Yes that's true but let me ask you this was her and Q talking in her bedroom? Thats why frank was so furious he been here before with Q and moesha in bedroom making out.
@@kobrathadon4956 Amen..so many people especially in the black community don't realize a father will question these things and wen many didn't have a father it appears like frank is unreasonable
@@donaldwhiteheadjr1694 She wasn't but she did this same thing before and she lied about boys being at the party so she really made it hard to trust her
I have to give Andell major props for stepping in to take Moesha in until she and Frank "came to an understanding". Too many black kids don't have people they can turn to when they aren't getting along with their parents or when their home life isn't safe or ideal and they turn to the streets or worse and we've seen how that turns out. Big respect to Andell and people like her.
@@Bloombaby99 You're supposed to obey your parents, young lady. Stop acting grown and you wouldn't have to worry about the streets and unsafe environments.
I hate frank and all other men who feel like they can control their daughters. It’s weird and predator like behavior. The way these men view women as being sex objects and not actual humans deserving of respect
I wouldn't say it's predator like more just overly bearing and never letting her have freedom. I think he does have good intentions he just needs to loosen up and give her space
Aww u stumbled onto the wrong video. Frank is overbearing and stuck up. But he never treated his daughter as a sex object. Take your uninspired feminist rant elsewhere. Shout-out to Dee she was the best character on the show
@@MrStaley EXACTLY. He was controlling and overbearing but didn't treat her like a sex object. Sometimes people like this always try to make it into an anti man rant
@@getstompedon2200 It doesn’t matter what his intentions are. The fact is his behavior is terrible and that’s it. It’s weirdly possessive and so I won’t blame someone if they were to view it as predatory. Cuz that’s how predatory men tend to act anyhow. Or at least just the one factor
Frank is by far the most stubborn no by far the most stubborn fathers I never seen on TV. Moesha Said everything is true. He didn’t take the time to really listen to her and understand. She has since she just went downstairs and just talked and that’s it. Frank can’t seem to let his pride go
I respectfully disagree with you lol. This one scene doesn't do it any justice for Moesha behavior at times. It just made Frank out to be an unfair parent. And that was not the case. Mo was no angel on the show when it started. She always got into something but she was also in high school and finding her way in life as a teenager. But she always got into something, you will just have to watch the episodes that lead up to this scene. Cause Mo use to be buggin out😂😂 she was the female version of her brother Dorian (Ray J) during the early stages of the sbow. And he gave Frank more hell than Mo did lol. Frank wasn't always the most easy going father at times. But he protected his daughter just like most fathers would. He even caught her and Q almost about to have sex in her room. Without even knowing it. And that wasn't even in the episodes just yet that was later on down the road on the show. And we all know he didn't approve of Q at all. Cause he was just a "thug" to Frank. But he was just a cool chilled hood dude that love Moesha.
@@wonderwoman5732 Girl shut up, I haven't responded to your annoying ass in months. You basically been talking to yourself. You that butthurt over Frank and a tv show. You need to seek canceling. I have tried to be rational with you when we started going back and forth months ago. And tried to understand from your piont of view and give my perspective too. You don't know nothing about me or what I've been through in life. Let it go and move on. Or go seek help. Cause you are obviously dealing with some past life trauma
He really Is . He gets on my nerves and is a complete hypocrite . Like he gets mad at her for every little thing but it’s ok for him to hide a son for 18 years
I feel bad & sorry 4 Mo 4 being accused by having sex which was she wasn’t her father should’ve asked her what was she doing up stairs with Jeremy when he saw them coming downstairs her & Jeremy was just talking.
Frank lied, Moesha's mom lied, Moesha's aunt lied, and so did the members of there extended family. Every time they referred to Dorian as Moesha and Myles' cousin or the son of Frank's sister and brother-in-law they all lied.
@CoilsFit4aQueen The fact still remains that the entire family except Dee lied to those kids. Just because Dorian's parents are the ones responsible for him doesn't make it ok for the entire family to participate in the lie.
@@MissLadyG99 Yet the entire family isnt Moeshas father who specifically treats moesha like every little thing she does is punishable by law. Thats what we mean when we lambaste Frank, specifically, for being a hypocrite. That's the difference. That's the context
@@iliveontheinternet1009 I know the show and the context of it. The still remains that the entire family lied to those kids. They didn't have to participate in the lie instead it was Frank's sister who came up with the lie.
Here's the thing with me because I grew up on this show. Its apart of my childhood. Moesha was very mature for her age physically and intellectually. They wanted her to be responsible but they also wanted her to stay a kid. Teen years are very tricky because your body is going through changes and then you have boys that you are interested in and then you have school to focus on and your parents expect you to do chores and have responsibilities. You gotta learn how to balance it all.
Frank's parenting style was so problematic. Moesha was a mess, but the iron fist doesn't work on everybody and is old fashion. IMO, he didn't understand her grievance for her real mother either.
When I was growing up I was accused a lot that I having sex just because I also had male friends. I reached a point where it was starting to affecting to affect my school work. PS I actually started dating at 18 and had sex at 20.
I can't believe Moesha's dad he's so stubborn, first of all telling Moesha to stay away from Quintin, second sending her to a boarding school, third getting mad at her for sneaking up to Tiwana, fourth shouting at her with a tattoo on stomach & he's telling her to stay away from Jeremy
Frank was awful towards everyone including Moesha, I never realized this until rewatching the series. He never trusted Moesha, he always doubted her, etc.
WORD OF ADVICE TO ALL PARENTS OR SOON TO BE PARENTS: IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR CHILDREN LYING TO YOU, THEN STOP LYING TO YOUR CHILDREN. YOU WILL GET THE SHORTER END OF THE STICK AND THE KIDS WILL TELL IT LIKE IT IS VERY THICK.
It took me some twenty odd year to realize Frank wasn't a "tough love" caring father, he was an ashy ass misogynist who hated he was losing control of his daughter and scarred and ignored his youngest son to the point where he needed therapy.
we live in a different era men were actually more masculine .. you actually had great black shows and you didnt have reality shows depicting black ignorance . the culture has gotten worse since the 90s so its all how you really look at the big picture
@@ryanr20091 So let me get this straight, More masculine to you means the following: calling your daughter a whore when she goes out with friends and ultimately trying to control her to the point she breaks contact with you, cheating on your wife and having a child that you force your sister to raise it lying to your son and calling him your nephew, and refusing to acknowledge the damage you did to your younger son when he opens up in therapy....that's toxic asf
@@Ariethecomic Now you are arguing points that I never even made in the first place kind of like debating yourself . I hope you know that's what's actually going on . You have to address what a person actually said vs what you just added in .
He was also a hypocrite who got mad if anybody lied to him about anything but he didn't seem to have a problem with lying to them about Dorian who was really the brother of Moesha & Myles instead of their cousin.
@@Otto8845frank was an asshole people always try to say oh moesha was the problem. She was a brat at times but he always shut everything she wanted or tried to tell him down. He never gave her chances to explain herself or tell her side of the story. Like the episode when Myles was caught smoking and they thought it was moesha. As her father frank she should have protected her from Dee thinking it was her and trying to give her a drug test. But he didn’t he went with it.
I see from Frank's point of view as long as you live under his house that's his rules completely understand but he's also a hypocrite too because he had a whole another child outside marriage that he didn't tell any of his family about until the last season 😂
You mean he didn't tell his immediate family about Dorian because his family knew about the him and so did Moesha and Myles' mom. All of them went along with the lie that wasn't even started by Frank and they continued to lie to Moesha, Dorian, and Myles. Because Dee came into his life at a later time and by that time the lie had "become the truth" (not that a lie ever becomes the truth) Frank probably didn't see feel the need to say something to her (messed up as that is.... I guess he had gotten used to Dorian being his nephew).
Dee never should've told Frank about boys at the slumber party. She knew he was gon' wild out, burst in the party and make a scene. Frank wasn't going to be happy about it.
I always tried my hardest to understand Frank all these years watching this show, I grew up with strict parents as well. But Frank was just a straight up unfair fool, liar, bias and ignorant. So stubborn and never admitted when he was wrong. He's lucky he didn't push Moesha away to the point she was a street girl, cause that could've happened.
Frank was militant as hell I get having rules but this man was like a warden I see why she left meanwhile he had a whole son (dorian) ain’t nobody knew about.
the reason i love this bc usually when someone leave their parent after doing something wrong, it's usually a big argument between the two. i rlly admire this cuz it doesn't always shave to result in a huge argument
You people are weird talking about you hate Frank. Frank was a GREAT dad and because of him, Moesha didn't have kids while in highschool like some of fast heathens.
how was it because of him? she couldve chosen to have sex plenty of times but she didnt out of her own personal convictions. SHE kept herself from that. lol and he was an asshole who turned out to be the biggest hypocrite by hiding a secret child he gave up bc he cheated on his wife. so yea.. he sucks
@@jaydubbs8277 Because he raised her not to be loose. If she wasn't afraid of what he thought or would say, she would have slept with ALL those guys she was with.
Tbh, this scene only highlights why it's important to be an authoritative parent rather than an authoritarian; One parents and disciplines with the goal of improvement, the other disciplines with the expectation of perfection. Frank used the same stubborn tactics over and over again rather than viewing each situation with nuance or recognizing Moesha as an autonomous, growing and fairly responsible kid who would've been pretty receptive to a heart to heart once in awhile and therein lies the problem. It was like his mindset never changed through every problem she had to work out and so things between them remained stagnant; Their relationship never grew because her own character development was at odds with his lack of development, so every time some new situation arose he had to act like he "didnt know what she would do", which became a trope anyone would get tired of after awhile. He also failed to consider himself as somebody who had a whole lot of growing and learning to do, too, which is where I think they dropped the ball with his character and ultimately caused the shows end. It would've been a game changer to see a black father/parent that started out as an authoritarian, dictative figure who, as time went on, began to acknowledge the value of understanding his children on a deeper level every time they made a mistake and thus fostering closer, less tense relationships with them. It would've made the "child on the side" story arc so much more complex, interesting and cushioned rather than a fucking travesty that outed him as a self-righteous hypocrite. And that's not even my opinion, it's literally why the show ended. That story arc upended what was already a very flimsy character and audiences ended up hating him. But had he been one with nuance he would've had the space to take accountability for his actions plus he could've both examined and reconciled his own shortcomings and how that often times *wrongfully* resulted in projection. I feel like a lot of people wouldve seen it that way too :/
Even my dad would never be like Frank. He would know I would be telling the truth. See I live right next door to my nana and pas house, so I would move next door with them. But like I said it wont ever happen cause my dad aint like that
I honestly don’t blame Moesha for wanting to move out again, Frank was so unfair towards her. Moesha was a great person and as like many others teenagers did typical teenage things. She is literally apologizing and he not forgiving her what caused her to move out again.
