Coaches have been talking to players during scrims for ages. This isn't against any rules (outside of algs games proper obvs). Stream sniping on the other hand...
@@JohnJohn-bz1lqYeah they probably just mean competitive matches where there's something at stake in general. Stream sniping in scrims is kinda sad though, and I support Moist..
Wait but how, originally I heard them flying from the jump tower there is an easy rotation for other team which they took, it can be expected from the other team that they would land there is my judgment wrong or am I bad at the game cause even if there coach was stream sniping that I would have said to do what they did (and there in scrims not agls) coaches can tell the the playes the play styles and rotations of other players
@@ryan555.3don’t think he means within the confines of the U.S. court system, something can be deemed illegal in any sport/esport meaning it’s an automatic DQ.
@@ryan555.3 1. {Illegal} contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law. 2.{LAW} the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties. for soft brains like you it means people in a community decides what is right or wrong.
i love how everyone think its okay because it was timmy team now imagine if this was hal or sweet teams💀 there will be hundred of videos, hundred of twitter post from unrelated apex creator, noko spending an hour discussing it(the worst of all)
think you missed the whole point. anybody supporting moist through this, is most likely thinking bleed is wasting time and trying to prove a point doing this goofy shit in scrims when they wouldn’t dare do it on actual game day
Coming into this being no fan of either team, both teams are cringe but the stream sniping is braindead. As a coach you should never talk about whats happening in game or make suggestions.
@rJealous So you're trying to say that stream sniping is bad, as we agree, but talking to the players about what other teams are doing and making suggestions has never been ''illegal'', as you put it. What? that's contradictory. Telling your team what other teams are doing live in the same match is literally stream sniping, no matter how far the team is. I never said Coaches just talking is bad, it isn't. Falcons coach talks in games but its always to questions out of game or what happened last match. Raven did that also but less.
in my opinion although it was a shitty thing to do it just isn't that deep because its scrims. however there is also the point that competitive competition should have integrity so the coach should at least get a ban for the week after all he is the one that relayed the information.
Right, I'm surprised no one else seems to realize that. They planned their strat to challenge bleed, they didn't show up to tunnel coach made an accurate assumption that they went sky east instead. So moist headed back out the tunnel and seen bleed landing at sky east.
There's nothing to indicate that Bleed "stole info from the other's stream". They preemptively decided to ditch the contest before the next match even started.
@@BruceWayne-wh4of they muted for a reason I think it’s pretty clear they received information and wanted to talk about it without getting caught lmao.
@@qNeros They muted cause they didn't want Moist to know about the strat lmao. I don't think you understand that there was nothing happening in Moist's stream at the time that would've changed Bleed's strategy. Bleed would've ditched the tunnel and flown to their buildings no matter what, because Moist was approaching the situation the exact same way both matches before.
@@BruceWayne-wh4of if that’s your opinion then so be it. There’s no reason to mute, change strategy privately then come off mute and start giggling about not leaking the information. It’s clear as day they’re both in the wrong.
@@qNeros Huh? People do that all the time in scrims. Why would you want to leak the strat before the new match has even started? It's completely normal. And again: This has nothing to do with opinions - Bleed won the contest at that point 2-0 already. The only reason they decided to take the buildings instead was to show Moist that they won't be backing down from the contest, and how ludicrious it is to keep fighting it. I don't think you are comprehending that nothing about Moist's strategy changed from game 2 to 3. They only changed what pills they landed on, Bleed would've most likely won the contest again anyway.
People who say Bleed is overreacting, tell me you’ve never seriously competed for something without telling me you’ve never seriously competed for something 😂
huh? so if a player cheats one time at practice vs in the actually competition when it counts, is verrryy different. maybe they monitor him to make sure it doesn't happen again. but like, being banned from ONE double dribble in basket ball practice? oh no!!... cry me a river....
@@Amu313 comparing stream sniping to double dribbling is crazy lmao it’s more like you’re scrimming against a team to practice for an official match and you both agree to run a certain play to practice a scenario but one coach says “screw them I’m not practicing that play” and does their own thing during the scrim, wasting both teams time essentially. I’m not saying to ban Moist’s coach from an official ALGS match day. But I do think a ban from a scrim day/couple scrim days is justified. They literally fed their team information on what another team was doing.
@@Amu313 potential sponsors and esports teams looking for a squad do watch scrims, especially teams that are not signed. So if someone is cheating in anyway it might ruin opportunities to show quality as a unsigned team
nah this shit is pathetic coach should be banned for this. ppl saying they got there karma because timmy crashed its bull shit. you're only cutting them slack because you like the team. this is so lame.
it was already a scuffed practice.... you going to ban a track runner because he slightly cut his lane ONE TIME at practice?... bunch of little girls in here...
coaches speak sometimes in scrims, to give ideas or remind something they practice, Is not that strange, if the coach figure It out in some way that the team Is gonna be sky east or whatever he says, its okay to say It, but if he give that call cause he was stream snipping thats fucking cheating
My favorite part of this is dropped's team sitting there talking smack for the rest of their game, and then getting upset when they get told that they aren't a threat on game day. They probably won't be cause theyre so worried about "claiming" all these areas lmao. Take the 50/50 tho, keen to see Timmy and the boys at LAN.
Scrims aren't that serious. This just shows 90% of this comment section has NEVER done anything competitive in esports throughout their lives. Literally.... just a bunch of gaslighting. There's no "Official Ruleset" in scrims. There's what most folks know as a "gentleman's agreement". It's frowned upon yes, but all of you trying to say "oh it's because timmy" blah blah blah - the ruleset is on the website - knock yourself out. Why do you think a bunch of ringing occurs during scrims? Tired of this generation constantly trying to shame, discredit or cancel people.
Both teams in the wrong, bleed practicing in bad faith, listening to timmys steam before hand. Moist shouldnt have their coach communicate anything. Bleed is the most to blame here, they are wasting everyones time by fucking the scrims up for both of them. Everyone saying Moist is the problem here dont understand how bad this is for both teams.
It's pretty clear both teams stream sniped, Bleed knew Moist's strat before they left the legend select. Shitty on both teams tbh but in the end it's only scrims, nothing was on the line, leave it at that.
Their coach should be banned not the players. They tried to take the fight in tunnel because they weren’t cheating only to find out they went sky East by the cheating coach.
@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519then that makes them guilty. They’re pros and do this for a living. They knew how the coach got the information right away. Them listening, made them part of the problem
Stream snipe allegations because they made an observation? OR did they stream snipe? Who knows, but these dudes are egoing after only winning because timmy froze lol
In the tunnel their coach says "they're being d***heads and going sky east" which is knowledge he only would have if he was stream sniping as none of his players had that information (and he said it with certainty)
Bruh falcons did it the other week in scrims when it was a solo zero and hal went to sweets stream and he teamed with LG for the game. Lmao so whats the difference
bs - coach just enabled both teams to have a good fight. easily proven by moist losing. there would be reason to complain if the coach would have called way earlier so moist could have PREVENTED the move. which wasnt the case. so lets rather talk about game performance having impact in the match results of pros shall we? oh nvm everybody knows and nobody cares.
So who stream sniped? The other team were already communicating where moist was. Or did i miss something team moist said? Looks like moist tried a new strat and the other team knew already.
They didn't knew about the new strat, they preemptively decided to ditch the contest for sake of getting the Sky east buildings. Moist's coach unmuted in the call and told his team about it, so they instantly turned around and tried to fight.
After "2:0" Dropped asked wxlzy in chat to let them have tunnel cuz Epi is taken. MST made it a ego thing ... so everyone knew game 3 will be straight up tunnel contest. Ppl sayn BLD sniped too is crazy.
Wxltzy came into Dropped's stream and said you can tell Minustempo but he won't care, but if he decides to do something [punishment, I assume], fair Almost verbatim. Dropped is ticked obviously, and it does compromise a match supposedly meant to simulate ALGS tourneys, but I have the inkling that Dropped understands that streamsniping coaches is tough to prohibit in scrims and that it is prevalent. My hope is that there is some repercussion on this. Sadly, I can recognize how this probably doesn't solve streamsnipers in scrims, because they can choose to communicate off-streams, but it will deter it.
by no means do i wanna sound like im defending Moist, but....why did they say "im not leaking shit I'm muted". i almost wanna say they were stream sniping as well to know moist was gonna contest tunnel.. or was that just a product of the way the video had to be cut to give the different perspectives and theyd been muted since the prior game and were discussing their strategy
Gamers is the only people I know where they will call out the crazy things like “get shit on your so bad,” yet they both sitting at like 10 hp You barely won the fight my boy lol But stream sniping is not cool so I guess Karma lol
It's just scrims lmao people are acting like it's the fucking finals. When we did scrims for Dota tournaments nobody cared for stream snipers because it's not that deep
Zipp, Raven told his team about the idea to ditch the contest before the next match had even started. He wasn't streamsniping, they would've pulled the same maneuver, no matter how Moist would've adjusted their strats. Moist's coach on the other hand was blatantly stream sniping, since he passed down information that he would've had no other access to other than by watching the enemies stream. On none of Moist's player POVs you could see or hear Bleed flying behind their back to the buildings. It was definitely stream sniping. Now, is it that big of a deal? no. But it's still important to acknowledge the fact that only one of those 2 teams was stream sniping, and that team was Moist.
@@sadly2 it doesnt matter, their strat was still the same concept. Contest for tunnel, just different approach. Why would Bleed change their strategy for them tryibg the same thibg over and over?
glad someone else said it these guys could be completely in the right about something but the way they sound and talk and act just make them so unlikable and make me side with the other side
The Moist coach situation is fucked up but also what a bitter feeling of the Bleed players talking. They playing just scrims and acting that way, immediately wanna ban them and talk bunch of shit. The need fuck the calm down I guess. Maybe because of the video cut I don't see the whole picture though but still.
Competitive integrity is important. The coach should be banned for the upcoming week. Moist got outplayed and it would've been much worse if the coach didn't give them the info
@@garrymiller3171 u say bc he did something that is illegal in ALGS during SCRIMS he should be banned for the week, bro its just scrims it aint that deep
@@abnerjvd I just said that the coach situaion was fucked up how so. I just don't understand why Bleed boys are so salty even though that situation taken place in scrims which is basically practice game
@@АлександрПавлов-о1хI agree. It's not really the players fault as much as it is the coach, (From my understanding) bleed is definitely over reacting.
They do it after or before every game for last few weeks tbh even before timmy was on the team. Just like TSM did with Raven and Hal. Moist does have a overly meta playing style
They all ass lol and overly hyped but still better then me so can’t say much lmfao 😪 I’m convinced they all cheat in there own ways no BS apex community now days just really ain’t the same honestly
lol you guys realize that oth teams dont give a shit about the streamsniping, dropped and them were just trolling with the "ill message tempo about a ban". you can even hear them laughing. chill out. and like timmy said, theyre all friends, theyre not gonna fuck with each oithers money by getting the other team banned for a week.
Yeaaaaah this isnt a good look on either part and something should be said or done about it, especially if its this blatant. Whether it be a day or two ban from scrims, or something.
Defeats the whole purpose of scrims. Scrims are for simulating comp environment. If you cheat in scrims, it gives you an unfair advantage and reduces the practice quality for your own team and the enemy team.
@@siskin7340 I think It was explained in the intro that Bleed knew about the plan of Moist for some reason as if they were also watching the Team Moist stream, besides the coach of Moist also watching Bleed's POV.
@@lilpeko4328 someone commented saying raven had alr planned for Bleed to pull this maneuver before the games but idk im just going off of other peoples words- also zipp just said he felt sus abt it not that it was 100% true
looks like the new patch has issue with people keep getting tap out of the game. my mate also has the same issue. especially who uses multiple language input. the input will tap them out
I still dont get why coaches need to be on matches until the very end were they think its ok to leave... It should be mandatory for them to quit as soon as the match start even if its scrims.
