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Monarch 612 Lathe Restoration: The Tailstock Dilemma - Making One Good One from Two.... 

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Monarch 612 Lathe Restoration: The Tailstock Dilemma - Making One Good One from Two....
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@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 13 дней назад
On my way to the next post reserection of this old beauty. Thanks a bunch Keith.
@4GSR
@4GSR 8 месяцев назад
Keith, if you are interested in it, I have a 21" 4-jaw steel body chuck here that has a D1-8" back I'll be more than glad to donate to VM. I don't believe the chuck has ever been used. Let me know, Ken
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 8 месяцев назад
Very generous, hopefully something works out. Merry Christmas!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 8 месяцев назад
Please send me an email and we can discuss. I show my email address at the beginning of each video when my name pops up on the screen. Thank you!
@4GSR
@4GSR 8 месяцев назад
Email sent. Thanks, Ken@@VintageMachinery
@glennanderson4440
@glennanderson4440 8 месяцев назад
Very generous, but a 612 is a D1-6, at least mine is.
@4GSR
@4GSR 8 месяцев назад
That's what Keth said. I'm very surprised that large Monarch only has a D1-6 mount. I tried. Ken@@glennanderson4440
@kowalskitk4
@kowalskitk4 8 месяцев назад
wow! nice to see you in healthy size Keith! keep it up!
@Daniel_cheems
@Daniel_cheems 8 месяцев назад
There's nothing like the old machines
@bobkelly2447
@bobkelly2447 8 месяцев назад
Well done Keith !
@russkepler
@russkepler 8 месяцев назад
Like others i would suggest shimming between the top casting and bottom casting for height (after scraping the base to the bed and to level). Turcite will just make the tailstock too slippery on the bed. There are materials similar to Turcite used to fill gouges in the bed if you want to use a fill material but I am unsure of using it to cover the entire base bottom.
@billbryant7194
@billbryant7194 8 месяцев назад
Yes, that is where I would have expected the shimming to go. Putting in the ways would expose it to wear and the need to replace it at some point in the future.
@user3141592635
@user3141592635 8 месяцев назад
I think that as well.
@Bob_Adkins
@Bob_Adkins 8 месяцев назад
@@billbryant7194 I thought of the same way to shim it, but either way is good because Turcite lasts a very long time.
@johnspathonis1078
@johnspathonis1078 8 месяцев назад
Agreed. Also this would allow shims to correct any out-of-parallel between the quill axis and the headstock axis in the vertical plane. Correction is also required in the horizontal plane.
@russkepler
@russkepler 8 месяцев назад
@@johnspathonis1078 what is usually suggested is to scrape the tailstock base level with the lathe bed both ways. That let's you simply shim across the top of the base to get the quill on the spindle axis height. You don't want any gaps in the shim due as the clamping forces holding the top down would distort the top when you clamped the tailstock to the lathe ways. When I scraped in the tailstock on my Monarch it took a .006" shim to get the quill back up to the spindle height.
@paulstuard7988
@paulstuard7988 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to you and family
@donhoffman3206
@donhoffman3206 8 месяцев назад
Here it is early Xmas morn . The Moon and stars are shining brightly,. Just lit up the fireplace and low and behold was a utube gift from the Great Machinist from the East. Thank You Keith!
@georgelawton9075
@georgelawton9075 8 месяцев назад
I suspect after this video is aired. Someone will have the exact tail stock you need.😅 I’d know that. It will be Marry Christmas to you.
@schwartzenheimer1
@schwartzenheimer1 8 месяцев назад
Been away from the channel for a while...imagine my surprise to come back and find 2/3 of a Keith Rucker left! Seriously, happy to see you looking healthy and breathing normally. Good job! Have a great holiday, and stay well...
@michaelcothran4064
@michaelcothran4064 8 месяцев назад
Had to do the same repair on a 24x12 1957 Monarch & had to figure it out also, right at it Keith
@michaelscott8226
@michaelscott8226 8 месяцев назад
Happy to see the 612 getting towards completion. Honestly, I half expected it to leave the shop, as it wasn't being used at all. Keith's Home for Wayward Cast Iron Machine Tools is the place where manual machines go to live again! Can't wait to see your ultimate solution to the height and base clamp issues. Merry Christmas to you and your family as well as to all of your subscribers and Patrons!
@MrClickbang357
@MrClickbang357 8 месяцев назад
Good to see you got the tapered shaft out and it fit the other tailstock like a glove! Can't wait for pt 3!!!
@philipmackin1025
@philipmackin1025 8 месяцев назад
If it's worth it I wonder if Keith will refurbish the live centre quill? Too bad the large end-stock doesn't split between the base and top like the small one does. That would be much easier to add a shim between the base and top. Come to think of it, in my mind, refurbish both end-stocks.
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 8 месяцев назад
i sent keith those 4 plates for the press. its great seeing them get put to use!!
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 8 месяцев назад
I remember when you sent those, you said something about them being drops maybe from where you work. It’s been awhile ago so I’m probably off base a ways son the back story but what you donated sure seems to be very helpful. Thanks for sharing!
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 8 месяцев назад
@@Hoaxer51 yes you are correct!
@daveb3910
@daveb3910 8 месяцев назад
Don't scrap the castings, send them back to monarch so they can refurb them and keep them in circulation and keep the company going for machine support. Although they're expensive it's good to keep the company around for support
@ifitsrusteditsmine
@ifitsrusteditsmine 8 месяцев назад
Thank you Keith for so many hours of entertainment. Merry Xmas to you.
@WeTrudgeOn
@WeTrudgeOn 8 месяцев назад
I've found that a needle scaler does a great job of cleaning castings. It leaves a sandblast like finish.
@mikeycoop66
@mikeycoop66 8 месяцев назад
I am very happy to the large Monarch getting some love. It was the first lathe in the shop and had definitely gotten lost amongst everything else. It will be even better to see that thing making chips and working as intended again.
@sbrunner69
@sbrunner69 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas everyone!
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@dirtapple1716
@dirtapple1716 8 месяцев назад
I know this isn't a spectator sport, but I was cheering you on in the living room!
@jacilynns6330
@jacilynns6330 8 месяцев назад
I’d split the tailstock from base and make a shim between base and tailstock on surface grinder. I’d also take a reamer to that quill as it is probably abused and rusted.
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing.👍
@Humphrey-e3u
@Humphrey-e3u 8 месяцев назад
The reason most goals are not achieved is that we spend our time doing second things first.
@componenx
@componenx 8 месяцев назад
If I had been interchanging the two quills, the diameter, thread pitch, or something else would have been wrong! I'm glad that wasn't the case here.
@CameronMcCreary
@CameronMcCreary 8 месяцев назад
Nice find Keith. When working with older machines, sometimes one has to be prepared to re-build certain parts. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@jeffanderson4979
@jeffanderson4979 8 месяцев назад
Your weight loss is incredible. Good for you. I’ve been a subscriber for years.
@whalley6044
@whalley6044 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas! I was wondering about the purpose of the shims on the plug in the back. I'd check if the key was trapezoidal rather than square & the shims were to set the clearance to control rotational slop in the quill. I.e may need different shims for different quill. Don't know why they'd do this but don't see another reason for the shims. Rather than shimming the tailstock height you could get Clark to cast you one & machine it to fit - be a neat project for us to watch.😊
@TMxl-w5t
@TMxl-w5t 8 месяцев назад
1 year later ZZZZzzzzzzz 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 8 месяцев назад
Great job.
@migueltorres6073
@migueltorres6073 8 месяцев назад
Belated Merry Christmas Thanks for all the good videos
@WillyBemis
@WillyBemis 8 месяцев назад
Thank you Keith! It’s great to watch you bring this Monarch back!!
@leoncolyer9420
@leoncolyer9420 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas and a happy new year 🎁🎄🥳 from Victoria Australia 🇦🇺👍🇦🇺👍🇦🇺👍
@Ropetangler
@Ropetangler 8 месяцев назад
And Tasmania too! Thanks for all your content Keith.
@johnlee8231
@johnlee8231 8 месяцев назад
Was afraid when you picked up that tailstock without the clamping bolts in there that the base was going to come apart from the top casting. On my smaller tailstock thats what holds them together except for the side to side adjustment bolts that just push on the casting. So glad that wasn't the case.
@propulsar
@propulsar 8 месяцев назад
I enjoyed this épisode.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 8 месяцев назад
Great to have parts on hand!
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 8 месяцев назад
Restoration of a tailstock for the Monarch is starting out well. Looking forward to following along. Thanks for sharing.
@markbernier8434
@markbernier8434 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to Kieth and all the family.
@DAKOTANSHELBY
@DAKOTANSHELBY 8 месяцев назад
Christmas morning and here I am getting my Monday morning Keith Rucker fix! Merry Christmas!
@dalebennett5227
@dalebennett5227 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas
@tedmiles2110
@tedmiles2110 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to you and thank you for all you do for the vintage machinery community and the Georgia Museum of Agriculture! I have been waiting for you to work on this good old tool! Good Job my friend! Ted Miles, long time viewer
@Uncleroger1225
@Uncleroger1225 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith! Thanks for many years of education, inspiration, and entertainment, God Bless
@mdouglaswray
@mdouglaswray 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith!
@michaelc.3812
@michaelc.3812 8 месяцев назад
Keith, looking good with the thinner self: I’m hoping it’s a healthy thing and not from anything I’d wish to avoid. Be well.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing. That great idea, I was way overthinking that height reconfiguration.
@lukemeisenbach1964
@lukemeisenbach1964 8 месяцев назад
The tailstock lead screw with the morse taper quill had an ejector rod on the end. Pretty sure the permanent center one doesn't have one and you are probably going to want that.Bet the original screw won't fit the right hand drive.
@stencilled
@stencilled 8 месяцев назад
Great work, Keith.
@jonareli
@jonareli 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith
@user-ck6cd3ve8t
@user-ck6cd3ve8t 8 месяцев назад
Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt.
@Stktnc
@Stktnc 8 месяцев назад
"I'm not going to worry about this right now" and "It sure is quiet around here"...phrases never to say in a shop, construction site, restaurant, hospital, basically anywhere😅 I know it's got me in the past!
@railfan439
@railfan439 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video, Keith. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Jon
@bernardwill7196
@bernardwill7196 8 месяцев назад
I wish Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family. Greetings from Germany
@dennisdaggett3966
@dennisdaggett3966 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith. Really appreciated the Christmas card. I thoroughly enjoy your work and your projects.
@jonbracken9394
@jonbracken9394 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith. Keep all the great videos coming!
@InverJaze
@InverJaze 8 месяцев назад
Looking forward to seeing how you are going to resolve the quill alignment problem.
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith. I'm sure happy for you that the other spindle interchanged. Going to be a nice tailstock.
@johnalgar4747
@johnalgar4747 8 месяцев назад
Thnk you for all the videos and instruction you have provided through this channel. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@StevenEverett7
@StevenEverett7 8 месяцев назад
Great videos Keith. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@jeffanderson4979
@jeffanderson4979 8 месяцев назад
I bet with the weight loss your sleep apnea may be a thing of the past?? I grew out of mine after weight loss. Let’s hope! Love your videos
@bryansmant870
@bryansmant870 8 месяцев назад
A tale of two tailstocks. Merry Christmas
@greg4367
@greg4367 8 месяцев назад
Merrey Christmas, Keith , to you and to your family.
@scrotiemcboogerballs1981
@scrotiemcboogerballs1981 8 месяцев назад
Always great videos thank you for sharing have a merry Christmas
@tonyjones9715
@tonyjones9715 8 месяцев назад
MARRY CHRISTMAS to you and your family.
@jeffmay1332
@jeffmay1332 8 месяцев назад
Looking very healthy Keith!
@oldschool1993
@oldschool1993 8 месяцев назад
The clamshell lock is 2 pieces, the bottom half is threaded so when you tighten the handle it squeezes the 2 halves together. After removing the top part, all you had to do was tap the lower half downward to break it free of the quill.
@ianpendlebury3704
@ianpendlebury3704 8 месяцев назад
Exactly.... I was shouting at the screen. Anyhow he got it done.
@oldschool1993
@oldschool1993 8 месяцев назад
@@ianpendlebury3704 We didn't get a clear view of the clamp side of the quill, but I suspect there was a pretty good scratch where the quill was pressed past that rusted in lock.
@russkepler
@russkepler 8 месяцев назад
That lock is called a "split cotter", or it used to be called that anyway. It used to be a common way of locking a cylinder in a housing with minimal movement on locking.
@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks
@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks 8 месяцев назад
Would have been interesting to watch you turn that built in center into a morris taper.
@melshea2276
@melshea2276 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas and happy Monday!😊
@richb419
@richb419 8 месяцев назад
Hi Keith, it maybe a good idea to protect the lathe bed when you are working over it. isn't Turcite material a light load material, doesn't seem the best stuff for the tail stock adjustment. Merry Christmas to you and yours
@thunderstruck1078
@thunderstruck1078 8 месяцев назад
I can't figure out who would want a fixed center in their tailstock. Who would want a lathe without an ability to use a drill or a boring bar in his tailstock. There has got to be a way of exchanging the tooling. Maybe it just screws in. I guess that's not important any more. Great job combining the two tailstocks into one.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 8 месяцев назад
The fixed center was probably off of a lathe that was dedicated to making a part or a production process.
@GWBoen
@GWBoen 8 месяцев назад
Good morning from Texas Keith Merry Christmas 2023
@paulpipitone8357
@paulpipitone8357 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas all
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS 8 месяцев назад
Most excellent.
@kindabluejazz
@kindabluejazz 8 месяцев назад
Seems there should be an official designed-in way to adjust the tailstock height - that's something that would be part of routine maintenance to adjust over time for high precision work.
@johnb6763
@johnb6763 8 месяцев назад
Things that work. Cheers
@chrissmith513
@chrissmith513 8 месяцев назад
Use W D 40 🎄🎄🎄
@walterplummer3808
@walterplummer3808 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for all the videos. Merry Christmas!
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@alanglen5902
@alanglen5902 8 месяцев назад
I imagine you need a metal shim to raise the tailstock. Otherwise the clamping bolts will compress a non metallic shim, and the tailstock will drop with use. What do you think???
@timf6916
@timf6916 8 месяцев назад
Good job
@jamesworsham125
@jamesworsham125 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Kieth
@smaggies
@smaggies 8 месяцев назад
Great work Keith, Merry Christmas
@donteeple6124
@donteeple6124 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas !!
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.... 🙂
@williammurfin6354
@williammurfin6354 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith, family. Just wondering if with the shaft you swapped out, as it has screw in end that looks to hold that purpose built end for it could you make a another insert that has the right Morse taper end in it??? I understand that's a lot of work but could it be done????
@kindabluejazz
@kindabluejazz 8 месяцев назад
I noticed that, but it doesn't have the access hole on the side that is needed to wedge out tapered spindles.
@ruben_balea
@ruben_balea 8 месяцев назад
It's relatively easy to Make a morse taper hole, you only need to make something closer and then finish it with a Morse taper reamer, but it's even easier to swap the quill if you already have the proper one 😉
@kindabluejazz
@kindabluejazz 8 месяцев назад
@@ruben_balea Sure, you can make *anything* with enough work. But my main point was that it was obviously not designed to be swappable with a morse taper center.
@ruben_balea
@ruben_balea 8 месяцев назад
@@kindabluejazz I didn't mean that it was designed to be swappable, only that the modifications are easy to make for someone who already has other lathes and milling machines.
@ksingleton101
@ksingleton101 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith and Happy New Year!
@charlesnoneofyourbuis5819
@charlesnoneofyourbuis5819 8 месяцев назад
R 9:10 Merry Christmas to you Keith and your Family. Have a Happy New Year.
@JohnfromEngland
@JohnfromEngland 8 месяцев назад
Keith have you got two dead centres and a bar that you use to set the run out of the turning between centres You should be able to use that to precisely mean sure the difference in heights but clocking over the TOP
@ml50486965
@ml50486965 8 месяцев назад
marvelous work! But how are the shop cats doing?
@kennyronful
@kennyronful 8 месяцев назад
Did you check the existing tailstock paint for lead before using the wire wheel to remove it? I would suggest using a particle mast when doing this type of operation, just in case.
@tomswindler64
@tomswindler64 8 месяцев назад
Cool 😎😎😎👍👍👍
@catfishgray3696
@catfishgray3696 8 месяцев назад
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL...LETS GO TO WORK...
@lecnac855
@lecnac855 8 месяцев назад
I surface grind my shims then scrape them in.
@troykitchens9924
@troykitchens9924 8 месяцев назад
Merry Christmas Keith!!!!
@bloodknottrevelian3396
@bloodknottrevelian3396 8 месяцев назад
I noticed on the quill that you didn’t use that the centre was retained by a screwed ring. If you were to unscrew that ring would it then reveal a Morse taper behind the centre?
@thunderstruck1078
@thunderstruck1078 8 месяцев назад
Is the tailstock casting all once piece or two pieces? Instead of shimming it at the bottom perhaps you could do it between the castings, assuming the casting is in two pieces.
@donbyers1448
@donbyers1448 8 месяцев назад
When the tail stock adjusting quill screw was unthreaded from your morse taper quill, it had a lot of corrosion on the threads. Would it be beneficial to clean the internal threads on the morse taper quill?
@gus9675
@gus9675 8 месяцев назад
Keith, Ever consider glass beading instead of wire wheeling the more precision parts? Merry Christmas!
@JaapGrootveld
@JaapGrootveld 8 месяцев назад
A shimed up tailstock, Hmm...alignment problem comming up. No problem. Keith will tell us its alright when it's done, without a smile on his face and we act as if he done a good job.
@greeceuranusputin
@greeceuranusputin 8 месяцев назад
And on the next episode of This Old Lathe...
@jrb_sland
@jrb_sland 8 месяцев назад
I'd be concerned that an overly-casual shimming operation to lift the tailstock will fail - you'll have no easy way to adjust the centering up/down, which might[?] be troublesome in a similar fashion to the left-right centering necessary for correcting subtle taper cutting? Admittedly the usual cutting tool position up/down would take care of a small error, but... Perhaps this is just my tendency to OCD kicking in?
@number2664
@number2664 8 месяцев назад
Turcite on the tailstock I have heard bad things about. Being slippery it makes it hard to clamp the tailstock down and it may slip under thrust.
@Ropetangler
@Ropetangler 8 месяцев назад
I have heard similar comments, perhaps brass would be more suitable.
@number2664
@number2664 8 месяцев назад
@@Ropetangler i recently pulled apart a DSG lathe that had brass/ bronze liners underneath the saddle. But they were not solid pieces but more like bronze lined steel liners.
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