So many things went wrong in the Hare Krishna Movement - still the core teachings, philosophy and culture is great. We live in the HQ of ISKCON (Mayapur West Bengal) since almost 10 years...
Yup, absolutely correct. The 11 diciples of Prabhupad high jacked Prabhupad's Iskcon movement and also a few poisoned Prabhupad also. They wanted total Power and Control. Investigate "Radhanath Swami" Richard slavin. Most popular Iskcon "guru" involved in marriage ceremonies for young girls to older men in the 1980's at New Vrindavan west Virginia temple. Responsible for the murder instruction to have Sulocana Prabhu shot in the head and killed. Radhanath swami also has been claimed to have spread the teachings of Black Tantra (black magic) to other iskcon "gurus" Investigate him, Bhakti Tirtha Swami was found to be practicing black tantra as well at New Vrindavan, he was close to Radhanath. These fake Gurus in Iskcon are Demons and Abuse children and Women and Murder men who try to stop them.. Don't get involved in Iskcon, it's a mafia organization. Just follow Srila Prabhupad's original books and his old recordings from classed online, and videos. ..Help Expose The Fake Gurus..
This is True! I've been through Christianity, the JWs, buddhism, islam sadly bit then suffism, aspects of Judaism, zoarastrianism was.. basic. And then the Vedas and it blew my mind. Experientially I found tangible truths in Vaisnavism but was sorely disappointed with the behaviour of some devotees. This is one crazy fake guru they're talking about and there were many others Cultish behaviour in how so many devotees turned Iskon into a cult based on status, influence and money/ power. The philosophy is beautiful but I saw too many of these fake gurus doing alot of illegal things AND giving interpretations of verses that they weren't qualified to and that served just them and their Agendas. Prabhupadha was the last official guru in the disciplic succession and that's how it should have always been. When I raised this, I was ignored and then ppl started actively avoiding me. I wasnt hurt but surprised how ppl could not see what I did Or see and choose to pretend It's a shame really? I think I'm a good judge of character so cannot fathom how so many continued actively in the movement. It's sad how guys join to meet 'hot girls' etc. it's just nothing to do with what the movement is all àbout. Love not lust.
Thank You for the point of view. Would You say the ancient Assyrian empire, the empire of the ancient Huns, the ancient empire of Xerxes of Persia all of that was free of wrongdoing? What about the burning of widows in India? Do You see Asia as superior to the west? In which way in particular? Please also acknowledge the humanity of people in the west. Corruption and wrongdoing is not a mere western phenomenon. Just be careful please, I think a way of becoming the evil we wish to abolish is to generalise and to judge inconsideratley. We need to do something about the current problems in the west. Probably You didn't mean that the 'west' is bad in the sense that the human beings here are all inferior, but please do point out what You really wanted to say. I pray for You and wish You all the best. May we have no more destructive imperialism. May we live in a world of true peace and understanding. What do You think about the suggestion: To see who's in power, become aware of whom You are not allowed to criticize? And what about the Chinese society before the Cultural Revolution as well after that? Have You ever studied the History of China? Was it truly better? If so, in which sense? How do You set Your moral standards? Have a good day, James
succession of spiritual masters is the highest order of pure devotees passing the Supreme knowledge from the beginning of universe. And you think that suddenly after Prabhupada materially passed, these 11 appointed disciples to act like priests, become the successors of parampara? Obviously, they misinterpreted the instruction! They are arguing, that we need physical person (them) to approach the Spiritual Master, but that goes against the whole principle of knowledge about the eternal soul. It shows that you learnt nothing from Srila Prabhupada. Not even that he didn't die in 1977, but just left our insignificant sight. Now we have 2 or even 3 generations of socalled gurus, that continue from those 11 apointed ritviks. What have they done in comparison to the one showcase of pure devotee of The Lord, Srila Prabhupada? They have molested and raped children, exploited the accumulated riches of ISKCON society, altered the holy books that Srila Prabhupada endeavored so much to translate and give purports to, the books meant to save the whole material world! And they kill anyone opposing their total destruction of Prabhupada's work. That is what is called DEMON. And you worship them as good as God. SHAME ON YOU!
I quit college at USCD in 1972 when I was 18, to join the Hare Krishna movement. Best decision ever for me personally. I appreciate Joe and David's balanced views and observations. I thought the exact same thing about Kirtananda as Joe expressed - the guy never looked right to me. Kirtananada was the son of a Baptist minister and had spent time in some type of mental hospital, before joining the Krishnas. It was somewhat known that he was gay before he joined, but since he had taken vows of celibacy, it was assumed that he had given up any sexual activities, based on spiritual strength - If that was the case, his abstinence didn't last for more than a few years. At that time in the '70s, there were no types of background checks, and anyone could join who was willing the follow the devotional principles (vegetarian diet, no sex outside of marriage, no intoxication, no gambling) and the rigorous schedule of early rising for the first meditation (4:30am) and two hours of chanting daily. It was all voluntary, and anyone was welcome to give it a shot. I personally followed the disciplines for 3 years in a temple, and it was great. It gave me a confidence and realization that God is real and lovingly present, within and without. It also gifted me with a fearlessness in living life - which worked out well, as I've gone through some crazy stuff over the years - but that's life in the material world for everyone, to various degrees. I still practice chanting happily at home. Not all kids were molested. and not all by leaders. Some were molested by the older boys at the boarding schools; something which happens unfortunately at many institutions / boarding schools. There was a fringe element that committed the crimes as discussed; that was a deviation by a few. For the most part, much good has manifested by those and for those who did not deviate from the principles as laid out by Prabhupada, the founder. The movement continues to grow, especially in India, and also in Russia - a place where people have rejected godless communism for the most part. Some Russians have embraced yogic principles and practice and travel to India regularly. The present PM of India, Modi, highly praises Prabhupada as one of India's most glorious spiritual luminaries and teachers of the Vedic tradition ever, having established 108 temples worldwide in 12 years, after having started in NY alone and almost penniless, in 1965. Even more impressive if not miraculous, during that same 12 year period, he translated and published over 70 volumes of Vedic literature, starting from his time of arrival in Americal at age 69, until his passing at 81.
@@ogaraconor The Catholic church certainly has not been exempt from it's share of corruption and scandals over many centuries. There were Popes in around the 10th century who had their critics put to death by being boiled in oil. There also may very well be pockets of the church leaders past and present, involved in ritual satanic child abuse, or/and individual garden variety pedophiles who were individually perverted and just moved from parish to parish without serious consequence. Hopefully, that happens less now. That being said, I'm sure there could be very sincere and genuine priests and and congregation members in the church who have dedicated themselves to God, within that tradition. God / Holy Spirit lives within each heart as witness, guide and friend, and knows who is who. Sincere people are always protected and guided by God. Phony people will be attracted to other charlatans to mingle with in the name of religion, but will have their actual motives and mentalities exposed over time. God is loving and gracious, as is real religion. Hate, perversion, greed, and power mongering don't represent God in any way.
@@ogaraconor I"m sure there are good and sincere individual Catholics, and good and sincere individual Catholic clergy as well. At the same time, there has been documented abuse of power in horrific ways within the church organization, for centuries.
Ok, does it have a population of book distributors? Or a group presenting krsna Lila's sexual pastimes with little kids? Because there's something really off now in that way after so much molesting etc.... that does make a good mix, pedophiles and worshiping little kids sexual pastimes, would you agree?
Friends of mine from Australia stayed there when they were touring the country in a van. They were treated very well and it was the highlight of their tour.
I lived with people who lived there and they were initiated by kirtananda. I married and lived in the Hare Krishnas and decided to let my daughter choose to want to learn about Hare Krishnas. I protected her from everyone. Never trusted any gurus or anyone not even her own dad. In my experience the director is correct. Hare Krishna philosophy is pure but there are real scum who have taken advantage of being in this religion/cult. There are some amazing pure beautiful souls in the Hare Krishnas and you easily see who they are. They’re not the big wigs. They’re the little people. It’s always the little people who are pure and saintly. Avoid personality cults and personality gurus. But underneath this crap the philosophy is amazing and the humble pure devotees are also amazing
Prabhupada never appointed these 11 guys. They appointed themselves... I grew up in this movement and I never got abused. I was one of the many few who got lucky... So sad these people made such a mess and created so much pain for children and so much bad "PR" for such a beautiful and deep philosophy...
Do they have some crazy paramilitary security wing patrolling those thousand acres of mountains with AR-15s and shit? David Koresh types? I've been many times and I know how it is way out in the mountains, in the middle of nowhere. It's essentially lawless and you have to take care of your own problems. Why are they doing business with Haliburton? Weird thing for people abandoning materialism to do. I think there is some kind of CIA MKULTRA shit going on there. Thoughts? Did you ever witness overt violence? Government spooks?
Interesting podcast. I served 4 years of my 15 years with the West Virginia hitman for the local Krishnas in the Moundsville Penitentiary. He was an odd man. I remember him well. Had a few conversations but not much more. He stayed to himself.
This guy that he is interviewing doesn’t know much at all. He might be a Director of the movie but I can guarantee you since I have been with the movement for over 50 years and I was in management for a while plus I lived in New Vrindavan West Virginia. I can give a much better more clear picture. A lot of what he said is true, but he got a few things wrong which are important. For example, he said, the spiritual master of the movement Srila Prabhupada Appointed 11 gurus, but that absolutely was not true. He only Appointed 11 men to continue each with their own territory to become ritviks Which means priest. They’re only job was to make sure things run smoothly according to the way it had been done in the past. To basically oversee, but they were not supposed to be micromanaging. They were not supposed to be taking worship and sitting on high chairs. They were not supposed to be Raking in a bunch of money from their followers. They were not supposed to take any disciples for themselves. Everything was to be done on behalf of Srila Prabhupada And his movement. All 11 of them got into cahoots with each other a very short time after Srila Prabhupada left this world. And they hatched a plan. A very devious plan convincing others in the whole movement because of their charisma and authority… That they were left to be spiritual, masters, or gurus and take their own disciples. From that day forward a tremendous amount of deviations took place, and so many other horrific things. I work directly under Kirtanananda in the 80’s. I could not put the pieces together back then, but I saw things and was perplexed. I had already become a disciple Srila Prabhupada in 1975 and was never a follower of these 11 and never agreed to what they were doing. I tried to stay there as long as I could to get to the bottom of things and help figure out what’s up and try to correct it somehow. I was not on Internet back then, so it was very difficult to figure out things as far as what was going on. Finally, I had to leave and over the next five years or so I started realizing what had gone on. I have learned a heck of a lot over the last 40 years since I removed myself from living monastery type life, and I have continued fervently with the Krishna consciousness practice personally. I have been shocked and learned many truths, and I am very clear minded about all of it. So many of us have worked very hard on a daily basis to expose, what has actually happened. We try to keep the pure essence of the teachings and the Vedic literature without deviation and help those who are innocent income for that reason. At the same time yes, we try to expose as much as possible for anybody who is willing to listen. It’s the same kind of thing going on in the world today . All over the world people have been living a lie and have been controlled by the Cabal… Corrupt governments everywhere all working together under eight dark web of criminal elite. There was actually a conspiracy in our movement and they had poisoned Srila Prabhupada. Since then, they had taken many followers, and collected a lot of money, and started their own nonprofits, and things happened that most of members did not even know about (And still don’t ) as they blindly worshiped them. And to this day it continues. Our very wonderful movement was infiltrated by a very bad element, and it is the belief of quite a few of us that one or two of them infiltrated from the CIA with the purposefull intention of destroying the movement from within. They were all convinced in one way or another to band together and be those 11 so they could profit with their positions. There are a lot of stories of abuse, and they changed the books which are ancient old literature. You can find this kind of thing happening in Christianity as well. The Bible was changed, and many of the books were hidden. The evil demoniac elite people have a goal to destroy peoples sovereignty and destroy religion and brainwash our young children all over the world through the educational system that they devise. And it goes on and on and on. I still follow Krishna consciousness independently, just like many of us who try to Reform the movement from within… That did not work. We were either kicked out or the situation became so bad we would have to leave and could not do a thing from the inside anymore. There are tons of us that really do have a story to tell. I’m afraid this person being interviewed doesn’t have a clue really who Srila Prabhupada was and what really happened. Although he did seem to know halfway some truths. I would suggest Joe Rogan to actually interview through research somebody that’s viable and can really tell the true story. I can help connect him with somebody who would be a true good source if he wants to do future interviews about this. There has been a whole committee of us and the main ones on that committee have worked hard and spent tens of thousands of dollars working with forensics. Voice forensics, and forensics regarding toxicity and poisons using hair samples, etc. We have two very well written hardback books with all the documented proof evidence chronologically what happened regarding everything. For anyone that’s really interested in the truth I would suggest give me a message and I can guide Joe Rogan further, who to talk to if he really is serious to do a show with better correct information. I also know about the Peacock film and I am friends with many of the people who have been either traumatized or kicked out or threatened, etc..
As a landman. I acquire oil and gas leases off of landowners so the company can drill. New Vrindaban, West Virginia (Main Krishna Community in the US, 1000’s of acres) is in big time Natural Gas country. I leased the whole community in 2010 and made good commission from it. I met practically all of the high ups in the community and I can tell you all of them are good people and hate what happened in the community back in the 80’s. They are all super peaceful.
@@jjg1501 Weird how people like you would rather live in their own preconceptions, rather than consider an alternate viewpoint from someone who has a first hand experience. Actually, it's not just weird - it's insulting to your fellow man, and sign of not only being arrogant, but cripple-minded. I heard cnn has openings. Maybe you should take your talents there.
I was a member for 20 years. It is not what it seems. It is a full on cult. Authoritarian control, abuse, the whole bit. Despite the folded hands and smiling faces.
Three of Joe’s past guests are Hare Krishnas. John Joseph and Ray “Raghunath” Cappo both lived in the Brooklyn temple as monks at different times. Ray’s still heavily involved in ISKCON and Joseph is still a devotee. Tulsi Gabbard is also a devotee; she took her oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita in 2013.
Correction, Krishna is the source of Lord Vishnu. Vishnu is a Purusha expansion of Krishna. Krishna is the Original form and source of all incarnations. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead
What's not being mentioned here is that the Hare Krishna's were a strong movement in India before it coming to the west and of course it goes back thousands of years. There are numerous groups or temples that don't belong to the organization ISKCON which people refer to when speaking of the Hare Krishna's that's something that's missed when they talk about organizational issues. It's like when a group of churches that may be Methodist or Baptist or whatever else do horrible things and all Christian churches and communities get associated with that. I'm also not saying ISKCON as an organization is bad or good I'm just pointing out that it's one group of many that come from the same line
They dont need to go deeply into the traditions as their movie is about the New Vrindvan Chapter . I hope they put early history in like the Hells Angels attack on New Vrindavan and the devotees being held at gunpoint . Thats an amazing hillbilly story
@@blindi6326 Yes it most certainly does. ISKCON is an organization that was set up by Srila Prabhupada but the teachings and the line of Gurus goes back thousands of years this is a fact. Stop spreading misinformation
@@blindi6326 sanatana dharam goes back to the beging of time . Gaudiya vaisnavism which this Hare Krishna movementis part off goes back to Bengal 500 years ago with advent of Golden Avatar mentioned in vedic texts as golden for this age of Kali yuga
I grew up in rural FL. In the 90s one of the ranch properties we bought had weird ruins on it, that were apparently built and destroyed/never finished by Hare Krishna people. This was in the middle of nowhere, in the woods. It was a strange dome structure. Grew up wondering what it was when my dad told me recently it was them.
This place is in like south Florida? The devotees bought it not realizing that it was on a flood plane not very good for agriculture. They sold it and moved on. The dome was made because it’s made of insular polysteel. Very durable.
Locals referred to the guy as Swami Bhaktapad. There were always stories going around that there were bad things going on at the palace of gold. He was on house arrest in an apartment next to my school. My friend lived in one of those two apartments, I’m just not sure if he was there when the swami was. He was allowed out something like an hour a week to go get groceries. Saw him walking across the park to the store a couple times. Had friends that would go out there in the 90’s and I think some that still do. Quite a few for the festival of color. Girl I went to college with said her dad had been one of his bodyguards. Never verified it, but never had any reason to not believe her.
I have never seen so many weird people in one city like I have in Vancouver Canada. I don't know if all the weirdest and strangest people in the entire country of Canada migrate there or what but it is wild.
The temple in Moundsville WV is pretty but we all grew up hearing crazy stories about what was going on up there. Then we found out it was worse than we thought. But a new group now owns the land and they seem really nice compared to the 80's group in that temple
I am a hindu but tell me guys wat difference is there in the hare krishna movement and catholicism ? Like i dont see a difference in the way they approach spirituality. Instead of meditating on mary and jesus u meditate on krishna thats it right? Maybe the stress on salavation has only one way is not there but i dont think christ even cares abt that nor is the figure of christ that cheap to care abt ur belief in his literal death and resurrection , its all church's dogma. Leave that one part and focus on his main teachings and one will have a grt life with meaning.
Facts it's just Catholic stuff with our beloved Sri Krishna ISKON has ruined Hinduism and ruined the greatest book Srimad Bhagwat Geeta that book is filled with misinterpretation.
First of all we can't judge or screen these human faced monsters while they are approaching to a particular religious group and secondly u must realize that Christ and Mary are the MESSENGERS of the God but KRISHNA IS THE GOD and in hindu culture we medidate to forms of the GOD for ex: tridev not the preachers, we memorize the contributions of those divine beings(preachers) or them to be straight forward and the monster that has been discussed in the podcast is not anything new in the history of religious bodies it's like say if we have basket full of apples then there will some rotten regardless of which farmer grown them from whichever farm ok? So on this basis do you think making this social issue as religious is needed?
I spent 4 yrs in Hare Krsna.....It gave me a lot as I engaged in meditation, Vedas reading BUT when it became destructive on my self confidence especially as a woman I started to quit....It was 2 yr proces to go out of all these dos and donts....In HK woman was pressed there to be HUMBLE NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING ESPECIALLY GURUS.....
@@marksw575me too. I met so many amazing ppl at the temple. And as someone said, it was the ones who shyd away from showing their fake devotion who were the gems. I built so many deep connections there and find that it's not easy to meet ppl with beautiful hearts anymore
Sorry to hear you ,,, every where good and bad is there even in our family also husband childrens also not comparable even though we are adjusting and going ahead, I think u read Bhagavad Gita This nature is built by duality according to nature different people are there. One more thing Krishna will test us in different ways whether in those situations also we holding Lotus feet of krishna or conquered by Maya ? Any system whether ISKON or Christ or anyother thing good and bad is there but our goal to focus on Krishna and qualify in his tests and reach to his aboard.... U can see the example of meerabai, Santh thukaram, Ramanuja charaya also hated by his guru Yamuna charaya but he didn't gave up .. ISKON WILL GIVE BEST PEACE AND CONFIDENCE AND INNER STRENGTH DONT LOOK PEOPLE BEHAVIOUR THERE JUST LOOK KRISHNA'S MERCY HARIBOLL
I remember a documentary about this back in the 80's. I think it was on 60 minutes. The title of the guy was boc-to pod. It was eventually ex-communicated from the actual movement.
Powerful ideas always attract the best and the worst of people. The issue is that leaders need strong egos but it’s what purpose they channel their ego for that determines whether it’s a cult or a religion.
Important conversations thanks. Definitely this Darkened stuff has gone on, and to some extent does go on in the Krishna movement, which is a fact. It is also a fact, that stuff goes on like this , ( wherever ) you get large groups of people , over a long period of time. My personal experience is, I humbly feel , I have gained more clarity, and development in Krishnas consciousness, than , all other paths I have tried . Sincerity on the path, and facing ugly facts ( ie, the toxic aspects within the Krishna movement ) , head on, and in a balanced way , I have found to be very helpful all round 🙏 Chris, from Brighton, UK
They actually show up regularly to the Boston Hemp fest (420 thing), I actually have a business card from one of them and it lit just says like “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna” like 12 times on the front lol
I grew up less than 5 miles from New Vrindaban. I wouldn’t call it cold or remote. It is about twenty minutes outside of a metro area of 140k and it is rare it gets below freezing outside the dead of winter. The local folklore is the remaining people that were missing were dumped in a local lake, Birches Run. This lake was actually drained roughly 20 years ago.
Yeah, same thing I was thinking. 😂 that’s “remote”? I grew up in between Huntington and Charleston. Definitely remember that place being promoted as a tourist attraction.
Using astronomical clues found in Mahabharat (which Bhagavat Gita is part of), astronomes has dated Bhagavat Gita to be about 7600 years old. That means 5600 BC.
I haven't watched the show yet but I will even though it will obviously be sensationalised etc. I studied the Hare Krishna stuff for two years with the plan to join them full time and give myself over to them when I felt I was ready but it never happened because the deeper into them I got the more horrible things I would find out. For instance Prabu never passed away but was unalived by those closest to him and he never appointed them as gurus, they did that for themselves after they had poisoned him. At that stage he had said many times (there are audio recordings to prove all of this stuff including the poisoning) that he wanted to disband the Krishnas because he did not like the direction they had gone in etc and by then all of the children were being harmed, they were bringing homeless drinkers and drug addicts into it just to make up the numbers and they were walking around carrying machine guns etc. The message and Krishna conciousness is a great thing and I don't think even now that the Krishnas themselves were a cult but ISKCON did in the end become one when it all fell apart and it was all done by the same bunch of evil maniacs who do most of the bad stuff that happens here like wars etc and so my message would be follow the scriptures and messages if you wish and you will benefit from it but always remember that god is within and a part of you and you do not need a human to give you his message etc.
I bought the bagavad gita from a hare krishna at the dallas airport back in 1990. I was 13 on my way to visit my grandma in connecticut. I was into philosophy and buddhism, but back then it was hard to get access to hindu texts.
@@taylorlibby7642sounds shallow, hollow, and ultimately depressing. Ask literally anyone that’s done that lol it gets old knowing your partner is only with you for money, doesn’t matter if they’re extremely attractive.
had a coworker who was a Mennonite growing up and escaped it, lost track of her, apparently she moved states, she nonchalantly said how inter course before 18 with their leader was absolutely “needed” she talked about it as if it was okay, damn
Everyone who had any knowledge of ISKCON knows that the West Virginia temple was not sanctioned by ISKCON. Yes the one who called himself kirtananda was off doing his own thing and this is why he and the temple he built was not part of ISKCON.
To Westerners: If you really want to enjoy or read deep philiosophy THE BEST India has to offer read Vedanta. Very high level but the best thing India/Hinduism (culture not religion) has given to humanity.
While still in the ARMY I drove to New Vrindavan in 1973 and was very surprised to see Keith Hamm (Kirtanananda Swami) dressed in traditional monk clothes sporting a holster with a revolver . This was long before the Golden Palace even began construction.
Good discussion, yes there is evil everywhere, especially hiding in the guise of goodness, however, it's very easy to throw the baby out with the bath water; The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and ancient Vedic India are universal and is up to the individual to see the essence... ofcourse crazy people are going ruin the purity, however faith in Krishna or Buddha, Jesus ext. is not reliant on any institution. which are inevitably corrupt... Hare Krishna Hallelujah
Doesn't have to be a monastic, but an academically inclined or at least educated orthodox Christian would be cool. Jonathan Pageau on Rogan would be amazing.
Sometimes genuine spiritual practitioners are labeled as cults. We need to leave room for positive communities without casting wholesale suspicion which amounts to a form of discrimination.
The ONLY spiritual teachings I “trust” anymore are those that don’t require belief, but rather direct the seeker to ask, “who am I who believes this or that? Who is this ‘I’ who is seeing, believing, thinking, feeling?” In other words, to “know thyself.” Somehow I think that is more suitable in a world that is full of narcissism and codependency, which is the dual dynamic of cults.
Actually Don't Read the Orange Cover Bhagavad Gita as it is, 500 edits in that book. Totally changed Read 1972 MacMillan Bhagavad-Gita, this is Srila Prabhupad's original Gita Without All The Changes!
It's says in.gita that action is better than non action, but never be greedy about the fruits of your actions. Basically a good way for a king to control you. Stay in your caste.
Once in Estonia a hare Krishna dude came up to me and gave me a book. I was like thanks man. But then he immediately chased me down and wanted money in exchange for the book. I was like no way and handed it back. He didn't look happy but what the heck I never asked for that thing.
So this one usually happens because they are told to not give it away free because something free (which is correct in principle) is not valued but they are a confused lot and use such stupid tactics. The Gita in pure form is worth a read although not the Iskcon version. It is a great philosophical book and still relevant to this day on how to lead an appropriate life even if you were a non believer.
So I got my first apartment at 16 I was working about 16 hours a and I've been a vegetarian since I was 12 since the Smiths broke up I used to go like three times a week to the hare Krishna place in Boston for the free vegetarian meals and they never bothered me they never t haunted me the scientologists on the other hand
@@dinom3106 I used to see hk people around all the time but not so much anymore. I had time to kill one time and I took a Scientology personality test. I got mail from them for years. I changed addresses a bunch of times, I was in federal prison but no matter where I went id get stuff from the Scientologists. Nothing against them though.
I had an encounter with Krishnas at LAX when I was 18. I had finished Army AIT and was going to be stationed at Ft Ord, Ca, in Monterey. Before I caught my connecting flight from LA, I was approached by Krishnas trying to get me to buy a book. Luckily, I was in uniform and was rescued by another soldier who knew better than me what was up. They were more aggressive than Jehovah’s witnesses.
Not learning the ideologies of others is not really the path towards a better world. I wouldn’t really say that a rescue. If you have their book and it is BS then you can call it what it is.
@@NityanandaChandraGranger I wasn’t interested in “learning the ideologies of others”, I was trying to find my gate and not miss a flight. Did they want me to learn about them or just get a few bucks for a book? I must have looked a bit overwhelmed and a fellow service member recognized that and helped. I’m sorry I used the word rescue; I didn’t mean to imply I was in danger of hearing a different point of view. I was a medic for 32 years. I got pretty good at empathy and open-mindedness. At that moment, it would have made no difference to me if they were Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, or from the church of satan. Nothing about this experience was organic; it was an ambush.
someone tried to sell you a book ????? Oh my God, are you ok sweety, do you need a moment....... better to join the forces and kill people for your country ??? NOW that IS MAD !!!
@@NityanandaChandraGranger the problem with ISKCON philosophy and something that separates it completely from Sanatana Dharma is the Christian idea of proselytising and trying to convert others to their ideas, as though the kooky notion that robotically chanting Hare Krishna can replace meditation
@@jzkramerall the great ancient teachers of India, Shankarcharya of 7th century, Ramanuja, Madhvacharya, traveled throughout India and taught and swayed people by the wisdom of their presentations. Please learn the actual religious history before making such claims, as they are not backed by facts
Rogan get the legendary legionnaire Dominique Vandenberg on his life story is awe inspiring. He was the guy who created the fighting scenes for gangs of New York and the star in this independent film. The mercenary released in 2020 . Rip Rob Kaman you will be missed
