Sorry for being late to the party , manic day working up in london , vile place , doesn't do much good for my social anxiety , so need to listen to music and have time on my own once home , but feeling better now and more relaxed 👍👍
The only time my mangrove allows me around or to handle is when she is in her water rub. I added a canister filter. It makes life so much better. Love your chanel.
In the mangroves? I don’t have any in the mangroves The Kim’s? It’s called a retes stack and very common with monitor keepers, it allows them to pick what temp they want Can do with mangroves, I’d recommend doing with like ply for them
Regarding forced handling vs natural behaviours, I like Tom Crutchfield's take which is that we can only observe natural behaviours when the animal stops fearing us. I think you can get an animal to accept handling without forced handling. You just have to get it to stop fearing you.
Exactly and that takes time, I’m in no rush, these guys will go 20 years plus So 2 years to get them to trust is is nothing No reason to fear you if you Leave them alone I don’t like what I’ve done in this video But it’s part of keeping, I had to check on them and they hide so much due to being fresh imports In time they will be out and I won’t have to get them out But this is the 1st time since getting them And I had to turn the soil too so helps
@@paulsmonitors I commented this on WillExotic's video, but from my experience trying to tame my monitor, I compare it to strength training or bodybuilding. Having them see you is a stress and they will fear you. In order for them to stop fearing you, you have to encroach on their space and that will stress them. Over time, they will adapt to that stress and get more tolerant (or stronger), but you must be careful to not apply too much stress. Too much stress is like trying to bench press 100 kgs on your first day working out. It will crush you. However, never trying to interact with the animal or just always doing the same thing is like working out always lifting the same weight for the same reps each workout. No adaptation will occur. So there needs to be a controlled progression over time.
@@lildragon0 I don’t disagree at all, but I do prefer to just curl the low weights until it’s completely easy, make sure you don’t upset anything Like I do agree a common goal is to be a happy captive and there is many ways to get to it, I have a few different set ups to try and see how they compare, and see what is truly ‘best’ as it were! But I’ve only had these 4/5 months and they were in the wild before that, so really no rush my end, a healthy established animal is my goal for now And them constantly burrowing For me that’s clearly a natural behaviour as I have high and low corks tubs as well as other hides, they pick to dig, I think to remove that is cruel, I’d rather it take 3x longer to socialise them as comes easier with size as they grow than force them to stress and see me But I believe we’re on the same page
Not always no, when I’m just trying to get them to feed as imports I don’t dust, as food is more important than supplements And ofc supplements are so important! But sometimes they won’t take it with dusted
I’m doing reasearch to hopefully get a mangrove monitor. When their around the 8 month old mark how often do you feed them and while their at this age do you only feed bugs?
Are you getting a captive bred one? Otherwise how do you know it’s 8months I feed bugs 2/3 times a week and fish/chick/eggs/crustaceans 2/3 times a week Small amounts I don’t have a schedule I mix it up Sometimes more sometimes less Sometimes none Sometimes all
@@paulsmonitors yeah it’s captive bred and is 8 months old (this is hoping by the time I’ve finished reasearch it isn’t sold) I just didn’t realise you feed stuff other than bugs at their young age.
Ive done a video on how to tame monitors, honestly leave em be once they’re completely comfortable and use to use presence then can try to tong feed, can take years
No point in buying and paying extra for cb from this guy they’re basically wild and he said he never takes them out so not social and baby’s will carry the same attitude just like in dogs and human
Someone doesn’t understand the morphology of indicus… if you want a social and please feel free to buy a dog, and not an indicus of me :) Yes they’re wild, cus they’re wild… I also now have captive babies I handly daily as they’re, well, not wild See how the two are different?
@@paulsmonitors you just stated you don’t handle them I wouldn’t trust you handle the baby’s but look at New England reptiles definitely proves your statement wrong
@@jasmineagueda9714 these animals are wild in the video, I hatched a baby in December, I wouldn’t be the only one in the whole of the uk to hatch this species and a handful in the world if I didn’t know how to care for them… Kevin specifically works with Salvador and they aren’t f1 or wild, it’s not the same, thanks for the comment, but you clearly don’t get it. The need to have social wild animals for animals that aren’t that way inclined is selfish. I’ve worked hard to breed these so I can then work with the babies. You watch one video and think you know me and the time I’ve put into this species. Give me a break
