So I’ve had the Moog Muse a few days and just getting into it and thought while I’m trying to learn the Synth, I’d Live Stream it too :) I've also set up a Facebook group for it - / moogmuse
I read some gossip about the sound… but there is something unique to it it seems. Like I hear an orchestra kind tibre. It reminds me of the Memorymoog… more organic than the One. But it tends to be agressive and brassy opposed to smooth and silky (like anything OB). I love it! They made a synth for everyone when it come to controles, but they choose characters above avarage in it’s sound department.
I honestly have to find out… but I guess you are right. That being said. An Ob6 is very silky… I. don’t expect that kind of smooth. But Still. I have a prophet 12… and I remember a lot of complaints about that one too, which is one of my favorite synths.
Got mine Friday and I’m loooooving it for my music production. The sound and vibe really resonates with me more than I had anticipated. Will be using this a lot Great video, GEO 🙏🏼
Good to see you back on screen! With regards to the Muse: Just by the looks alone is already killer! Where would you put this - in terms of audio quality and ease of use - if you compare it to your other excellent poly-synths? We would say P6 in terms of quality and ease of use via its excellent UI, but with more options at its core (oscs/modulation).
It's a great Synth and if I had to choose, i'd go for the Muse over the P6. The P6 has a slightly sweeter top end and has multiple FX, yet Modulation is a bit lacking and only a single Global LFO. You can sacrifice Oscillator 2 and turn it into a per voice LFO, that just leaves you with Osc 1 and the Sub and Octave down. The Trigon 6 has a better configuration as you can use Osc 3 has a per voice LFO, leaving you 2 main Osc. The Mus has got lots of Modulation, much of which is taken from the Moog One, plus it has a heavier low end and 5 Octaves, so the Muse would be my choice.
@@GEOSynths thank you very much for your very detailed explanation! Great to hear that from you! We only have to wait for a second batch, since they seem to be sold out already! 🙈
I think the "diffuse time" is effectively the reverberation time. to reduce the pre-delay you will need to turn the delay time knob right down. The diffuse effect is applied to the delay repeats.
This sounds better than Moog One to me IMHO! I hated the Moog One it it didnt sound vintage at all.. this sounds warmer and more vintage than Moog One. How it compare in tone to Prophet 5/10 the prophet is the warmest poly out! maybe the mono output. I just got the Muse still in box but curious Jamie would you take the sound of muse over the P-10? I think it sounds better than the P6 already... your thoughts? you need to hurry and make patches! I bought your moog one and prophet sounds they were the best. your pads are so insane!!
Yeah, The Moog One is not to everybody's taste, I get that. I love it, but it's not a Poly Minimoog, no, but it can do Classics quite well. I think the Muse is a bit more suited to harder hitting Sounds though, especially which use Audio Rate Modulation. I think I would take the Muse of the Prophet 10, not for the sound, but the Modulation aspects. They both sound great, but are different obviously. Ordinarily i'm not too keen on mono out Synths, but the Patch 111 is just a delight to play and it's a breeze to Program the P10.
My apologies I did watch your video. I’m watching it again. I had watched so many Muse videos, dude I’m so sorry that I got confused but I’m watching it right now. I watched it three weeks ago I believe but I’m gonna watch it again right now.
I watched a few videos on this synth, and I felt underwhelmed. Then I saw Matt Johnson Jamiroquai's video, and I fell in love with the sound. Or maybe it's just Matt's infectious joy and effortless grooves....
@@RayyMusik Overwhelming. That’s objective and quantifiable. Next you’ll be telling us how warm and organic it sounds. I’ve heard good and bad sounds from it. How it rates, on balance, time will tell. Hopefully the teething problems with it are just that.
@@kierenmoore3236 Yes, it does sound warm and organic (just to please you). And of course everybody can make “bad sounds“ (how objective and quantifiable!) on any synth.
@@RayyMusik Ha, touché! 😉 It’s all subjective, really … but those familiar with the classics, understand why they’re classics … Aaaanyway … 😊 I hope the Muse does well, in any case … I want it to be good.
At 14:20 you make a comment about how some poly synths are voiced differently than a mono so that all the oscillators can go through the mixer and filter together better without creating so much mud and whatnot. Poly synths are not built this way, though if they were I could see the notion making sense from an audio mixing perspective. The definition of a poly synth requires that each voice have its own independent oscillators, mixer, and filters. This is necessary because if they shared lets say a filter for example and the patch has a slow rising filter envelope, if you were to be holding one note and played another you would hear the first get choked by the filter and then slowly released again. Depending on the patch, the control you have over individual oscillators, and what you play, you could potentially fake polyphony, but most would still call this a form of para-phony, not polyphony. A polysynth can hit one note, have that voice do its own thing with its amp and filters, hit another, and have that second one's envelopes also independently evolve. This is only possible if each individual voice has its own amplifier and filter. Each voice can be as fat as it wants to start and then be tamed by some high passing, low passing, etc. Of course, if you play 8 FAT voices all at once, all that does have to share a single stereo output pair, but that's what the low cut is for, that's global and sits just before the delay input in the signal chain.
@@FishStickington Here’s a video from former Head of Engineering at KORG explaining the difference of voicing between mono and polysynths. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hoDhYusPQEw.htmlsi=ZYU3B-B1FET5nOrA
Looks great but the MooMu sound doesn't really do much for me right now. Filter cutoff way down, 47:38 sounds lovely and really deep, like an old Prophet-5 but bring the higher ends in and it seems 🤕🤯😳 kind of a bit headachey to me. Still, it's probably going to be a Sequential Trigon destroyer at this price point. It would be great to hear an A/B comparison on those two.
Thanks for the video Jamie. Question: have you encountered many bugs/freezing? A few people on gear space seem to think the Muse is a bit unstable at the moment and I would love your thoughts. The only feature I hope they add odd the ability to modulate the delay. Hopefully that gets added.
@@GEOSynths yes, this! Gain staging for bass and lead sounds is so much easier on a good mono and often unsurprisingly better implemented in the voice architecture. Also a sub oscillator for many bass patches is far preferable to a 2nd oscillator tuned an octave down and hope it stays perfectly in phase.
I did a little comparison to my Moog LP, and was surprised to be able to reproduce some bass sounds pretty much 1 on 1. If the Muse was a mono synth, it'd be an excellent one. But then you have the abilty to turn it into an 8 voice poly. it really is awesome :)
Hi Jamie! What we haven’t seen - what would be great, is a Muse / Trigon side-by-side comparison … Do you still have your Trigon? How would you say they compare, in terms of raw/core sounds? I wasn’t so sure about the Trigon at first, but it’s sounding pretty good to me these days 🤔 … … Cheers! 👋🏼 Be well.
Sorry I missed the livestream for questions! One thing I was wondering--some people have mentioned the Muse getting "hot", you mentioned that it's warm. Is this taken out of proportion in your experience? Do you feel there's risk of it overheating, or is it only warm? Thanks! (edit: P.S., I love the sense of harmony you pair with certain chords/textures. Do you have any music out there??)
Thanks, yes it does get Warm, but it doesn't get "Hot Hot", most analog Synths will get warm, but it doesn't cause any issues. As for Music, I don't do a lot these days but there's a few on my SC - soundcloud.com/magikroom/rain-clouds-geosynths-jamie-morden
@geosynths Thank you for the video. Those rocker switches and the muffled character of the top end killed it for me. Still a very nice effort by Moog nonetheless.
Hi Jamie, hope you are doing well. You mention sound quality is similar to Matriarch, and it does seem very close, but is the build quality similar? I’m debating selling the Matriarch for the Muse. Another question, you said you sampled and put into your Prophet X, how much of that quality is preserved in the Prophet X?
@@aquaticborealis4877 Hi, out of all the Moogs, the Muse sounds like its DNA is from the Voyager and Matriarch. You could do a number of sounds the Matriarch could, though it does have 4 oscillators…there will be differences. For the Prophet X, I’ve sampled the oscillators only, not Filtering, I then use the synthesis of the PX to make the sound.
@@GEOSynths Thanks. Would love to hear what you can do with the samples on the Prophet X. I think I’m committed to getting a Muse and selling the Matriarch, although the Muse supply seems fairly short of the demand. Getting shipping estimates well into fall and possibly winter.
In other words can you "synthesize" convincing distortion with the tools that it has? Will I be able to make a deep-purple-distorted-organ-like synth patch? Or a prog-metal-pig/growl-like bass/lead sound? Or a guitar-like lead
You were the one who convinced me that the Moog One is a great synth after all the naysaying. However, this time around, you are convincing me that the Muse is not the synth for me. Something about the tone just screams bland and characterless, even with your magic touch. I think with synths like the Prophet 10, OBX8, and 3rd Wave on the market, this is an easy skip in terms of sound. The mod matrix and sequencer are very cool, but without a good core sound it is essentially useless to me
That's a fair point, you're not going to like everything, me neither. As I've worked on many Synths over the Years, my taste has changed and there's things I look for, a different nuance to a sound, different character and ways of doing it. Right now, i'm just exploring it and the sounds i've made so far won't be released. Right now, i'm really loving the Sound of it, hopefully you'll give it another chance at some point. :)
This is kind of where my mind currently is on it. I always let new synths "cool down" before even considering writing a check for one in any case. Workflow on 3rd Wave looks to be outclassed by it, but obviously it covers a lot more territory. If you already have a synth/controller with a keybed you like the desktop model or this for the same price could be a tough decision. Prophet 10 is a different animal altogether. Focused features/soundspace (reflecting the time it was designed) with a fantastic WYSIWYG knob/function interface. Limitations to me are acceptable given the sound coming out and limitations can be a good thing. If it goes on sale again for some that could be another tough choice.
@@klstayHaving a “Cool Down” is probably the best advice to give. We all get excited by the new shiny thing, but after a few weeks it doesn’t “reflect’ as much. If a Synth still speaks to you, in terms of sound after a few weeks, then it’s the one for you. Great answer, thanks
@@GEOSynthsI hear you and I love it for its sound. It will accomplish the Matriarch perfectly. I'm exactly looking for this rich smoothness and appreciate that it also can sound harsh, glassy and belly - and nasty. 😅
To my ears the Muse sounds nothing like a Poly Matriarch would sound. The Matriarch has Oscillators based on Moog 921 module from 1970's; Filters from Moog 904a Mixer from Moog CP3 VCA's from Moog 902 Delay from Moog 500 Does the Muse share any of the above?
I have a Matriarch, Grandmother and Moog One...Had a Voyager, Little Phatty, Sun Phatty, Subsequent 37 CV...And played a MiniMoog...I know what I'm saying...I don't paint by Numbers...
I respect your experience and greater knowledge . Hence my question. I want solid info before I drop £3k. I love my Matriarch and need to know how the Muse compares. I discover now they both share basically the same 921 Oscs from the Voyager. This is great news. Do they also share the same Filter 904a ? Or anything else. Many thanks for all your vids and work. Best wishes.
@@namenaim1560 To my knowledge this beast only exist because Moog bought too many Matriarch sound boards. So they decided to stack them and add a digital control interface to them. But only a screwdriver will reveal the truth behind that :)
Great Video🔊✨ always enjoy your honesty, but dear Lord, I could hear the exhaustion in you when you had to play Blade Runner. Dear moog and any other company listening please no more Beverly Hills cop soundtrack, no more Blade Runner no more Van Halen presets OK. I don’t need to hear any more versions of the originals for the rest of my life. Do I look like I’m gonna watch gremlins part 2 ever again? I don’t wish that on anyone. The whole reason I pay this much money is for the ability to create unique sounds. Anyways, it’s my sixth day sitting with the Muse and I got to say it’s a love-hate relationship. I believe the presets can be confusing for people because some can sound great and others make it sound very digital and not good. I mean my soft tube model 84 and Hans Zimmer legends synapse, etc. should not be sounding better. I feel the diffusion delay can sound absolutely gorgeous but a lot of things hide behind it and I really wish they would’ve included the analog delay or spring reverb. I also like to imagine that someone over at moog was like “ hey, don’t we make kick ass Mooger Fooger pedals? And another employee saying yeah, but we can’t start putting shit like that in there it would be way too kick ass. I find that you really have to work to get beautiful, balanced, and unique original sounds unlike my OBX8 where it just sounds beautifully balanced, and the clarity and separation is gorgeous and not mushy or muffled or harsh. but when you get to that point of a great patch, it sure sounds amazing. Hoping they will give the ability to modulate the diffusion delay in an update. There is a lot to love, but my only gripe is the screen I cannot stand it. I mean, come on even my teo5 has a better screen, or the peak or the… So the question is are you keeping yours? Thanks again for the years of great vids, cheers
Thanks, yeah I'll be keeping it, I'm really enjoying it at the moment, there's lots to explore. The Bladerunner is me, I always do it on every Synth, not because i think people will like it, but it is a great test patch to see how 2 Oscillators stay phaze locked, which is pretty much key to that sound. As for others sounds on there, I listened to a handful, but then started making my own, which is what I demo's in the Stream.
@@McN4styFilth I get that, a Synth that has some compromises yet a lot of features, a good description. I think it’s more like a Prophet 6 though, if we were to compare it to Sequential.
@@GEOSynthsHow would you program what Sequential‘s/Oberheim‘s vintage knob does, i.o.w.: VCM? The Muse doesn‘t have the ‘voice‘ mod source, unlike the PolyBrute.
@@RayyMusikit actually does have a voice mod type mod source. It’s a per voice random voltage per key press, you can use that to apply offsets to parameters. It’s called Rand Trig.
Unlike the Polybrute this design is not forgiving of those who ignore patch signal gain. However, this is where some of the magic lies in being able to dial in how clean or driven/overdriven you want something to sound.
