I worked at a GM dealer for a few months. I saw Delco parts made in multiple countries, for the same part number. South Korea, Indonesia, Mexico, Japan, all for the same part.
Did moog upper control arms and lower ball joints less than 3 years, 5,000 miles ago. Already replacing them. I’ve been doing ACdelco or GM genuine on my trucks now. I’ll fork over the extra coin for quality parts. Saves me time and money in the long run
Put a new Moog problem solved pitman on a Chevy 3500 chassis. Just didn't fit fully onto the steering gear shaft and was skinnier than the oem arm. Scrapped it and put a Delco oem quality arm on. Moog used to be top-notch, now a waste of time and money.
Almost certain they went into full bankruptcy, Moog as we know it is dead. Some Chinese company bought the name and sell their products under the Moog name now.
@@GainingDespair Chinese? I just received upper control arms with ball joints for my K1500, #s RK620719 & RK620720 and they both indicate they were Made in Taiwan, so that blows that theory out of the water considering that relationship.
The different part numbers COULD be from a 're-boxing'. I've seen that a lot over the years. Some parts distributors gets convinced by a manufacturer to switch to their brand. They hire a few flunkies to take the original parts, cross reference (if needed), put the old in stock parts into different (new manufacturer's) boxes, and 'TA DAAA' new parts line WITH new prices. Flunkies are also sent out to the stores where close to 100% of the time (from my experience of going through this MANY times over the years) the numbers will NOT be put in any sort of order so the store employees have to sort and rearrange the shelves. Along with the 'mandatory' leaving of extra labels because the flunkies didn't bring all which were required. Thus you're left with a wonderful experience of attempting to explain to customers as to WHY 2 packages of the same part numbers don't look the same.
Rockauto is an aggregator of sellers, just like Amazon is. They scout and find parts providers then give them a selling portal to access more customers. Sometimes the high use items are directly shipped from RA, other times the seller ships to you using RA boxes. It’s like Forest Gump says about a box of chocolates.....you never know what you’re going to get.
Problem with aftermarket parts: The engineering drawing has dimensions, tolerance, material specifications, and important features. By copying a part, that information is missing. In this specific case, who do you think has the drawing and who made one from a part? Not a quality control problem if you don't have the drawing. It's a counterfeit problem.
I ordered ac delco lower control arm bushings for my 82 c10 after watching this vid. The ac delcos are loose on my shafts like the moogs are in your vid. I'm returning them and going poly now.
I can relate to this....wish I could have seen this video sooner. I ordered two Moog inner tie rods from the same Amazon source. Their built quality is soooo different. One looks greatly made while the other looks cheap and very corroded as new. Never again!!!!
I personally have installed a lot of moog in past 25 yrs. with no issues other than chevy pitman arms that were keyed wrong in the pitman arm locating hole.
Moog is American company and has plants all over the world ! Which Rock Auto explains but it is left to the consumer. I’ve had American made OEM parts prematurely fail and foreign parts . Mazda’s are a joke with cheap plastics made in Japan. The blower motors are almost $500 , I bought an American made blower motor made from steel with far better bearing and bushings . QC is everything.
I did radius arm bushings on my 66 f250, and I did moog on one side, and no name on the other. I am going to see which one shits faster, and I bet its the moog
Sooooooo tired of playing the parts game. It is ridiculous. Why is it really this hard to find an accurate, readily available, quality part from a company with good customer service that has a decent warranty?? Its hard enough to figure out where your part was made before you order it. I never know who to buy from anymore. I'm crossing my fingers with my new moog tie rod ends and ac delco UCAs and LCAs. Good luck, hope the bushings last!
Yup, moog tie rod ends already done. Granted I plowed a handful of driveways this winter, so I get it BUT at 150,000 miles of abuse and neglecte (before me) my STOCK original GM tie rod ends made it 2+ plowing seasons....food for thought I guess. $20 part, whatever....I tried
Moog has like 16 countries they sell and manufacture from.The RK series is the 3 year warranty oem replacement,the CK series is the more expensive upgrade version.I found this out the hard way
Moog has stuff made in china , Korea , Mexico , and Alabama. You can differentiate based on the letters in the part number and price . You get what you pay for as ussual
Who is to say whether the control arm is a millimeter skinny and both bushings are tight . Your test leaves out alot of factors and one important one. I have installed MOOG parts on everything I own and never ever has a part broken or failed catastrophically . Since we are talking about parts that can kill you when they fail I will stick with Moog.
I replaced my lower control arms on my malibu last year. Payed the extra money for ac delco over the other options on Rock Auto and they already failed. The bushing at the knuckle has the same play that ur showing, if not worse. Haven't removed them yet but with wheel off ground u can see all the play. Was fine for almost a year then slam, slam, over every little bump and drifts while shifting. Ball joint boots are dry rotted too.
Go AC delco if you care about the vehicle. Based on my understanding they sub contract their parts manufacturing all over the world. I assume they demand higher quality control than most places. I expect that to change in the future based on their profitability.
Detroit Axle is absolute shit. Do not buy from them! Do your research. They’re a 3rd party dealer that gets shit parts from China. You’ll be lucky to get a year out of the garbage, and that’s if you ride your bike all summer.
@@tylerdubois9020 my cousin got burned on a whole front end for a 2007 silverado. The CV shafts lasted 6 months and the ball joints about 8. The rest of the parts were in a lot worse of shape than they should’ve been, too. Maybe you have better luck, but I’m not taking my chances. After that happened I did a little searching about them and I wasn’t at all impressed with what I found out. It’s disappointing too, because I live in Michigan, so to put a name on your product that makes people believe you’re getting high quality parts from the car capitol of the world, and you get some made in China shit, is kind of a slap in the face.
@@LESLASLESLAS Yeah I agree with the false-branding is bull-shit. Yeah I have read mixed things, maybe I just got good luck or maybe their control arms are better quality, who knows. Quality Control issues can lead to that, where some parts are good, then another batch is terrible. The Control Arm set I ordered was off of Amazon, and it had all good reviews (which on Amazon doesn't mean anything). I've had issues with Moog as well, I don't think any brand is really free from failure to some level.
Moog parts used to be awesome when made in USA. In my experience, I haven't had any issues with newer made in China/Taiwan Moog parts. However, it looks like the part that came in the Moog box, wasn't actually a Moog product.
That sux. I had an issue with a set of none Moog ball joints, from ebay. Moog used to be the go to choice of the professionals. I guess they're trying to compete with China.
I have used AC Delco Gold and it's honestly been better than OEM for me in some cases For instance I replaced the idler arms on My 1990 dodge B250 and the AC Delco Gold ones were the exact fit however they came with grease fittings and over all just seemed like a superior build to the oem ones that had both failed due to lack of grease.
It matters where the parts are being made, for a number or reasons, quality of the steel being one that isn't readily apparent like fit but, the primary factor is that it matters, when they are being made, here, then there, then someplace else, then all over the place, while a bunch of management suits, chase the lowest operating costs around the various third world nations of the world. Far as I can tell, Moog doesn't make parts anymore at all. They just place orders with various third world factories, package them up in their boxes and peddle them to the end users. Made the mistake of replacing the lower control arms on my Subaru Outback with Moog assemblies, Made in China. One of the ball joints completely failed within 15k miles... Ate up a practically new tire too.
Moog quality drop alot. Pass Moog at all cost. I like to add, my Camry lower control arm with the ball joints already clunking and making noises. Just don't have the time to get another LCA, because it is hassle replacing it.
You can order the same part from ten different places; everyone will be different. Doesn't matter who the manufacture is, they all buy from who has the best price at the time. All manufactures are doing that. No one place is better than the other.
ACDelco sources from multiple suppliers, all of which are media grade or better for their Pro line and median grade or lower for their Advantage line. I have never seen an ACDelco BJ that incorporates some of Moog's patented features, for example their new minimum profile boot, and Moogs are usually greaseable while most of ACDelco's are sealed and use a plastic bushing. I'm not suggesting Moog always makes the best but they do not appear to resell for any other brand, though there are many clones, some counterfeit and some in the gray area of misrepresentation and fishy packaging.
@@stinkycheese804 I'm trying to figure out what ones to go with for a 93 c1500. Might just buy complete upper and lower with new bushings and ball joints already installed.
Get the ball joints with the best warranty. Look, every mfg has issues at times, and the end customer is the one that suffers. If you go to NAPA, they repackage Mevotech, MOOG and other mfgs parts, and then warranty them locally. It provides a bit of consolation when they fail.
@@mattlawton4715 I was thinking they had two product lines, better and best, but could be wrong. I had heard moog was still good, but they were out when I did my tahoe ball joints, so went AC Delco. If its in spec, China probably still makes a good part to their standards, but hate seeing all these companies doing that.
This sounds a lot like this guy cherry picking his garbage worn steel shaft, for parts that could have fit with not a completely destroyed control arm shaft. I don't care if you can see the original machining marks, steel parts in contact with other metal parts wear out and become undersized. The AC Delco parts aren't a true press fit like they would be factory, their nominal size just seems to be better than the moog ones in this instance of an undersized shaft.
@@JosephArata No. Nothing short of machining the part down to a smaller diameter would have achieved that surface finish, unless there was only minimal rust to remove that did not substantially change the diameter, certainly nowhere near 1mm. It is not at all true that this portion of the shaft would have worn out and become undersized. That's ridiculous and anyone who has done this sort of repair before, knows this.
I use to Buy Moog suspension components. Dornan use to be good My replacement instrument cluster for my Silverado was off by 3-4 mph under over 60 was 4-6. An led bulb was out., Soon it shorted out it was fun to find the parasitic drain. The cluster. Ac is spot on use cell speedo app and timer is exact. NAPA is going to stop selling Dornan due to fitment and quality control. A shop I use to hang out with the now new owner gets after me for not using Delco or Delphi. Everyone in the shop has lecutured me. In a bid needed new caliper bought house brand O'Reilly's as out of better brands it leaked fluid in steady stream I refused the OEM calipers until Rock Auto sent Delco it worked first try. The I o Reilly nearly broke head off banjo bolt try to stop the leak used the new washers it was not machined correctly.. Like optics, tools , audio you get what you pay for
Always use moog problem solvers or ac delco professional Theses are the higher end parts. On the moog you will be able to tell if it is the problem solver with a k stamped on it. If it has an R stamped on it, it is ths lower quality part. Both companies lower end parts are pure junk. Spend a little more and it will save you a lot later on.
Would crack into pieces and become ineffective. However, he could have just put a metal shim in to make up the difference, but why bother when you have it apart and can just reject and use another part instead.
This is like the third or fourth RU-vid channel pointing out quality control for this company is completely gone!! My problem is that i watch RU-vid and sometimes this is the first time i've ever tried something and if i got a part that didn't fit right, would i know that it wasn't fitting right? Starting to get very scared of the brand the sad part is is probably a lot of those parts on my car..
The only time I've ever had a problem with a Moog suspension part not fitting, was when I ordered the wrong part number and it was my error. 🤔 Moog does have plants all over the world, and things like the hubs and bearings are made in South Korea which are much higher quality than the Timken Hubs made in China.
I was gonna buy moog wheel bearings for my 97 Vette n after seeing all these moog complaints i won't fork in the money for them n they aint cheap either 2 wheel bearings are 360 dollars..fuck..now what? Ac Delco? Help ..which should i get?
Got a brand-new set of MOOG Wheel Bearing Hubs for the famous 95 MERC, which lasted about 2 years and then failed. Replaced the MOOG hubs with genuine Motorcraft "HUB 3" parts, and all is well. SOME Motorcraft parts are still made in the USA, but not many.
Timken makes great bearings. See if you can cross reference the part number. Bearing from Japan and USA are usually the better quality, but you get what you pay for!
Not MOOG part in bag, someone switched out new parts for new cheap part. My MOOG parts have MOOG imprinted on part and bag is different. RockAuto buys wholesale so you sometimes get returns.
Mechanic just fitted a lower Ball joint for GS300 which came in Moog Box but on the base says Made in Japan three Fives. Rock's description says not greasable but part not only has a Nipple for greasing but also a small hole, in the Rubber to allow excess grease -pressure to release. Not mentioned or seen in the 2000 Car part description of the Moog item.. Will a MOT Test fail the car if they see grease coming out of tiny hole?? Dirt may not get is as seems to have a cross cut flap inside the hole. Unfitted Ball joint same product and doesn't feel smooth in movement. Why? How can they be called Moog brand?
Rock Auto drop ships from the same distributors as the local guys, enjoy paying twice for the same part. Also their is nothing wrong with the MOOG in this video, The shaft is NOT suppose to be an interference fit, it grips on the ends of the inner sleeve when tightened down, it isn't going to rattle when tightened down.
FROM A FORUM THAT I FOLLOW: "Just a side note Moog bought out Mevotech a few months ago so what you might think is a moog control arm it could very well be mevotech(cheaper brand). We (my work) reboxed mevotech parts into brand new moog boxes when that happened.' "There are 2 different numbers for moog control arms. There is a CK# and those are moog and then there is the RK# that are cheaper and were the ones that we reboxed."
MOOG are garbage in my experience. I had their wheel hub failed twice (2nd was warranty replacement) within a year. MOOG are not much better than cheap no name parts on eBay.
The answer to your question is... Rock Auto 😂 they are notoriously bad. Ordered two of the same water pumps for a 95 Mercedes SL.... they send me two water pumps for Mercedes S500
An OEM quality or equivalent aftermarket bushing will last as long as the original did, years longer than 6 months. Polyurethane can be an upgrade for a race car, but can also be harsh and squeaky or else a continual lubrication burden.
Moog tolerances are shocking way out from oe spec,on the sealed ball joints you cannot grease the covers hide the fact they don't even grease under the boots sufficiently so they have a terrible wear rate
That's been my experience too. In the last decade, I've had too many genuine Moog tie-rod ends that were utter junk. They moved all their manufacturing overseas and the quality control is very poor.
I bought some Mevotech parts in the past. Cheaply made chinese junk. Recently bought some more for a Mustang. They were not cheap. Came in very solid looking pieces made in USA. I guess I will order more from them.
What I've been told by GM, is that aftermarket parts are usually made slightly larger or smaller on components that have wear on them. This way after some years a shaft in this case could be a little worn or eroded away, an aftermarket part should be made slightly smaller so that the fit is tight. An OEM part would be too loose. So in this case, the Moog might be a perfect OEM but the shaft might be slightly worn.
Moog use to be very good back in the day. Now it seems there garbage. I've had some parts fail on me to over the past couple of years from moog. As of right now it's not safe at all to buy auto parts from Amazon it's to much of a gamble. Ac delco is GM.
I have spent several thousand dollars on rockauto parts in the last 5 or so years. I have used Moog and ac delco advantage and ac delco professional. Every single Moog part has been higher quality than any oem part I replaced it with or any ac delco part I have used. I do not trust anything made a delco. I have never gotten a decent part from ac delco. Every single part was cheap and wore out right away. There is no comparison between Moog and ac delco
I'll take the AC Delco Professional or Dana Spicer over Moog any day. Moog isn't the company it was a decade ago. Terrible quality control as they moved more and more manufacturing overseas.
@@karlschauff7989 I tend to agree. Like many companies, they are riding the shirttails of their former reputation more than actually producing quality parts. I've seen it time and time again over the past 10-15 years and unfortunately I don't think it's going to get any better.
@@karlschauff7989 Hardly. Moog parts have changed almost zero in the last decade besides a bj boot change because that was their primary weakness in the past, boots that didn't last as long as the rest of the BJ did. You think Moog was made in USA 10 years ago? Lol, no they have multiple factories all over the world and have for decades.
Does this dude have a personal thing about moog cause i see so many videos about how bad moog is which isn't entirely true there's a thing called returning the part and getting a replacement shit I know people who redid there whole underside in moog with no issues. Personal experiences may very. Sounds like moog is annoyed with this dude and purposely sends him broke parts.
I have no relationship to MOOG, or any auto parts company. This was only my singular experience and is not a representation of MOOG as a whole. I have other MOOG parts on other cars. That being said, every parts manufacturer that subs work out will have out of spec parts at times. I spent many years as a mechanic and saw my share of Factory FFF'd parts.
