I think the biggest issue with the Hornet is all I see at the dealerships around here is the R/T. My wife is in the market for a new car, and it'll be the GT Plus if we decide to go with the Hornet.
@@notsigningupforshitDONT GO WITH THE HORNET!!! I TRIED GOING FOR A TEST DRIVE IN THE HORNET, BRAND NEW 9KM ON THE ODOMETER IT EMITTED GRINDING NOISES FROM THE ENGINE AND STOPPED WORKING!!! DONT PICK THE HORNET!!
Jeep messed up big time because they should have had a 5.7 Hemi option on the Wrangler too! A less expensive option than the 6.4 . It would have sold like hotcakes for us working class people!
It’s still unbelievable to me that Ram never put the 6.4 in the 1500. It would have been top dog for some many years and brought so many more people to Ram. I just don’t get it. It blows my mind they never did that. Or build a hellcat STREET truck. I’d love to have a talk with the people in charge of that company 🤦♂️
Hornet sales? I haven't seen one on the road in North Carolina. I'm guessing the Hornet is going to be discontinued for the 2025 model year of those low sales.
Dodge is a joke. They said they’ll be the “muscle car brand” and killed all our beloved models like the minivans and sedans, only then to give us the Hornet CUV and an electric replacement for the Hemi vehicles. WTF? If they’re not gonna be a “muscle car brand” after all, might as well go all in on the mass market segment and give us a new minivan, sedan, crossover, and sports car. I only see hypocrisy with Dodge. Same with Chrysler except that Chrysler is worse. Chrysler hasn’t given us anything new since the minivan, and the minivan is gonna be on its way out in a couple years. Chrysler needs some Jeep based premium crossovers and some executive sedans. All they’ve been doing is wasting their 10yr proving span by Stellantis, by just talking and giving us two electric concepts that are both far from what the typical Chrysler buyer wants, and far from ever reaching production. We desperately want reality at Chrysler because they’re just rearranging the deck of a sinking ship. There’s almost no hope in that brand. Why does Ram and Jeep get so many new models but Dodge and Chrysler are left scrapping the bottom of the barrel? I’m really pissed with Chrysler/Dodge management. All they do is talk and give us irrelevant products. Dodge and Chrysler 10yrs ago with the 200, 300, Pacifica, Avernger, Dart, Journey, Charger, Challenger, Durango, and Caravan was a lot more iconic and desirable lineup than the bottom of the barrel vehicles they offer today. Marspeed, please become CEO of Dodge/Chrysler and give us something that’s actually relevant and desirable from the brands.🙏I know that’s a far fetched wish, but at this point I have more faith in the Mopar fans to run Dodge/Chrysler than I have in the idiot bureaucrats that are running down the iconic brands year after year. PS: Great informative video!👍
That's why nobody want it!! It's not a real and genuine Chrysler Motors build, but a contraption of an european company who knows nothing about what customers want for real!
What also didn't help the Hornet was how long (at least around me) it took for them to actually be for sale, sitting on the lot for customers to drive. All the ones I saw for most of the year (2023) were either corporate cars or pre-ordered and already sold. You ain't gonna get people to buy one if you don't have any way to show them why they should get one. I also have heard that Hornets ride rough. Like worse then V6 Chargers, which not a good selling point to the CUV market.
I agree that certainly doesn’t help, but Dodge just missed the mark entirely. Think about who wants a CUV in your mind right, then show those people a Hornet. Just the look might put them off! Who wants a muscular performance (still fairly slow) yet expensive CUV that doesn’t do anything particularly well other than being the fastest of the segment and offering bells and whistles like 20” wheels and Brembos. They made a similar mistake with the Dart too. Total fail who wants this thing at that price? Not performance people and not CUV people. I get Dodge = performance, so why not release it as a Chrysler and deliver a CUV with features people want/need? That’s my take. Kinda shocks me people making a lot of money decided it was a good idea.
@@MarspeedCars Oh yeah, wasn't discrediting what you said at all. In fact, I agree 100%. I would like to add that maybe they were also trying to appeal to the other side of Dodge owners. The V6 Charger, Challenger and Durango owners. They were trying to give them a CUV option, which may have worked if they kept the price down and made it themselves. Instead tho, they gave people who wanted a Dodge, a re-badged Alfa. Then again, seems like all the brands related to Stellantis are making questionable choices. Grand Cherokees now feel like Chryslers. Low end Jeep (Compass, Cherokee, Renegade) isn't even made by them, just rebadged Fiats. Chrysler doesn't understand that a brand needs a line up, not one car with promises of more. We discussed Dodge. Ram is the only one that seems to get its market. I just hope the new Charger helps Dodge recover and the Jeep Recon is actually something that is interesting. Edit: One thing I disagree with you with Actually. Don't make the CUV a Chrysler. Bring back Plymouth and make that our dedicated Cheap car company again. Give basic features people want, at a cheap price.
@@ThatChargerPursuitGuy "Ram is the only one that seems to get its market." While the Ram 1500/2500 are awesome, I don't think they entirely get their market, seeing as they're still 13+ years without a Dakota replacement. 🙁
@@ThatChargerPursuitGuy that's been out for almost a year now and practically could've been brought over by now. It has the same 2.0 that's in the wrangler so it makes no sense on why they haven't brought it over to the US market vs everywhere else.
Instead of having a hornet under the Dodge Brand, they should’ve made it under the Chrysler brand. I think it would fit that brand better, and Chrysler would have something.
That's because 99% of people want a automatic. You 1% are the only people that want a manual. That makes absolutely no sense for Dodge to cater to 1% of people who want a manual transmission.
@@Shaolinmonk781 It would be nice of it was an option, its not like the vehicle has to be built around it. They use the same parts as previous models and the metrics are similar so it wouldnt be difficult or costly for them to offer them and they could add cost to make it worth it for people who want it.
That 68 Charger is what we SHOULD have gotten as the Charger Themis entire time. With updated stuff on the interior. They RUINED the Charger with that damn 4dr soccer mom BS.
At 5:25 thats why dodge should've brought back the Dodge Viper but OH NO!!! Dodge didn’t feel like doing that 😡 At 7:25 what ever happened to the Jeep Recon? Are they still making that i though it would've been out by now
Take it from a guy that owns the 2023 super Bee in plum crazy with the wide body and only a few Shelby mustangs and we'll be getting the new Shelby mustang 2025 and I will be getting the six pack and tuning the crap out of it and getting to about 700 horsepower The only things the lantus wants to do is to bury Dodge so we can buy cheap ass f****** Alfa Romeo's
No new Durango until 2026. What is going on with this company? This thing has been in production since 2011. Its a dinosaur and they’re still asking top dollar. Shame on them!
Agree. Shame on them for sitting around and killing all our beloved models without a relevant replacement. Where’s the best selling minivan? Where’s the Dart, Journey and Avenger?
@trevorshark16 you do realize there was so many killed of models like the srt4 neon, dodge avenger, srt4 caliber, dodge magnum, chrysler 200 2nd gen all these models with the higher trim options were mint
Still have it! Bought it at 130k miles, put on 50k in 2.5 years and now has 180k. Going pretty strong. Lots of suspension repair and other random shit (window switch, pulley, did exhaust manifold bolts) but have taken it off roading and across Canada. Love it to death! Mds is pretty noisy now so I suspect an issue but might just turn it off. I keep saying I will do update videos on my cars so I need to make it happen soon!
Agree 100%. Even then, why did they choose the name “Hornet”? There’s nothing Hornet about the Alfa Romeo car. At least “Caliber” would’ve been a more fit name for a crossover hatchback. Now Dodge tarnished the Hornet name. And RIP Dodge Journey.
@@mrgurulittle7000EXACTLY. The name IS NOT FITTING for a Kona competitor. Caliber would’ve been a better fit for this one. And a Grand Caravan would be nice too. The cheapest minivan right now is the Kia Carnival. That starts at like $35k. A new Grand Caravan starting at around $30-$31k would be so appreciated and they need both models to survive.
@@mrgurulittle7000I agree wholeheartedly. I have a Dodge dealership nearby my area. Right now, A BASIC HORNET has a sticker price of around $38k. Meanwhile, back in July 2019, a basic Journey would’ve had a a sticker price of around $25k. And that’s without all the offers they had at the time. I genuinely believe that if Dodge wants to survive, they need to redesign the Durango and bring back both the Journey and Grand Caravan and find a way to keep both models affordable. It feels like it’s so simple but they’ve been getting so lazy. If they brought back the Journey, I would run to my local dealership to get one. And they should make a new one instead of using the one sold in Mexico. I don’t like the styling of that one. I prefer the boxy style of the 2011-2020 models tbh.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Definitely. I just checked Pacifica prices in my area. It’s kicking off at around $41k 🤣. Both Hornet and Pacifica are UNATTAINABLE. When will they realize Journey and Grand Caravan need and deserve a comeback!
I know the Hornet is a super slow seller, which is a shame because I’m kinda interested in one. Crazy right? lol. But I don’t think it’s the slowest seller anymore. Heard that honor now goes to the BMW X2. And you basically said exactly what I was thinking in regards to why it’s not selling. It’s overpriced compared to other better equipped for the price competitors, and people in the CUV market could care less about the performance. Hear me out, split the stupidly overpriced and gimmicky Hornet R/T into 2 different lesser priced models, the SXT and SX-E. The SXT will have the 1.3L turbo (which still makes good power), and the SX-E will be strictly electric, maybe with a bigger battery. Make them FWD for better efficiency, (maybe add an AWD option for the EV) make them well equipped, take out any performancey stuff like the LSD, soften up the suspension and focus on a simple and smooth ride, and BOOM! Two even lesser priced trim levels that are easier on the wallet, retains the Hornet/Tonale look, and is more efficient.
I wanna add to what you said because it’s actually a better strategy for Dodge. How about Dodge forget going “all muscle” because they already ruined that reputation with their electric muscle cars and the Hornet, and instead Dodge make a full car lineup again to compete in the mass market brand segment again? We don’t need a “muscle” 40k Alfa based CUV. We want cheap good minivans, sedans, CUVs, SUVs, and then muscle cars from Dodge. Dodge really lost their identity and are offering irrelevant models. They should aim mass market and QUIT giving us final editions of every darn model we loved.
Yup! Bring back cars like the Journey, the Town and Country, the Dart, the Caliber, the Neon, etc. Keep the Hornet if you want. They got too caught up in the muscle narrative. Meanwhile Ford and GM have plenty of choices for the masses that are affordable, and selling like hotcakes. A prime example would be GMs new 2024 Chevy Trax. Well equipped examples don’t even get past 25k-30k, and almost everyday I see one. Is it powerful? NO! Turbo 3 cylinder with less than 150hp. But like Marspeed said, the majority in this segment don’t care about its performance. What matters to them is, is it inexpensive, is it utilitarian, is it reliable, and how good is it on gas. There is still a place for muscle cars, (plenty of the new S650 mustangs running around), but 100% of Dodge's lineup, shouldn't have been muscle. It worked for a while but during those years of profit, they should have been working on and introducing more mass market cars.
Interesting! Yeah BMW X2 fills a hole that wasn’t there to begin with lol. I love your ideas, and that would definitely make sense. My thought was this was the perfect chance to revive Chrysler. Make this Hornet a Chrysler of some sort, different naming of course, and get the brand going. That way it doesn’t have to be performance focused and could actually succeed in the segment rather than the Hornet. Make it look like a Mazda CX-5 with Chrysler body styling. Now that Dodge no longer has the Journey and Grand Caravan, they got too tied up in performance, sticking to Durango Charger Challenger, and doing the same with the Hornet (seriously what CUV buyer cares about having a Powershot feature for example?? And the other performance focused features you mentioned). This resulted in a weird product from Dodge like I said, where they felt like they had to continue the performance stuff but shot themselves in the foot. None of that pressure if they just made it a Chrysler, and might have got people back on board with the brand. Chrysler is also more aligned with Alfa Romeo in my opinion, and this is just a Tonale after all. I believe the reason they didn’t is because Stellantis wants Chrysler to be an all-electric brand soon. Either way it’s a total screw up. I don’t work in any Stellantis offices but I talk about the brands enough on this channel to know this wasn’t going to be a good idea, how did they not see this? If it does last more than a few years I’ll be shocked.
I mean, they could still make a Chrysler variant. Having 3 of the same vehicle but under different brands/names isn’t that far fetched. It’s happened before. Just look at what happened with the Eagle Talon, or the Oldsmobile Silhouette. lol
So many cold concepts from the past that Dodge and Chrysler could be using...(clearly Mecum sales numbers reflect that📈) If Chrysler and Dodge would just take their time and look in the Vault at some of the dope concepts that they never brought to production and if it's a concept the public REALLY wants, it could save a sinking ship. Jeep and Ram gon' be alright b/c their legacy of iconic nameplates will be solid for years to come. Stellantis needs to wake up and pay attention to the core audience. 💯 #MoparOrNoCar Ⓜ️
Did you hear how they fired 400 white collar workers without notice? It was in the news.😔FCA with Marchionne was much better than this hell Stellantis. I wished they never merged.
