I like how she mentions at the end that she was so afraid of losing another baby, that she forgot to drink and smoke and THAT'S why Clay survived. Yeah, a real miracle right there.
At that point, it's really a miracle. I mean, she didn't stop for any of the ten kids/ten years before and then, just, poof, she finally took a pause for 9 months? A neglectful person suddenly behaving properly for months after years of being unable to control herself is more miraculous than a medical miracle.
@@animefan2454 I would say it’s not her fault but she was smoking. She should’ve known not to smoke unless it’s based on a time before people knew smoking was bad for pregnancy.
@@nycolleamendez5608 if i recall as an adult he was alright but when he met bloberta and drank due to her encouraging to do so thats what also fucked him up
@@EpicFableBean well yeah Bloberta played a huge part But I think he was, how do I say it? Pretending at least, I think so because well we know that they always tried to keep appearances about their marriage, so something tells me that Clay maybe took an effort to keep a perfect image, probably there was going to be a lot more of backstory about Clay pre-marriage and how he was Though we may never know for sure, the show was cancelled too soon
@@EpicFableBean I mean ultimately it was clays fault for staying that way, but you could also blame it at the fact that he had no support system. The journey between clay and orel are very similar. Both were born in bad households, but orel at least took all the bad things as lessons that made him better while clay stayed a terrible person.
I feel the same way. The world is a meat grinder and our lives are so fragile that in a moment our worlds can be turned upside down with no way to escape and we only have an illusion of having control over our lives not realizing that its solely based on luck, circumstance, and people willing to allow up to move up in the world. There is no reason to morn the dead especially ones that never even made it into the world. They didn't even reach contentiousness, they got off lucky we have to fight to survive.
@@lgbtqiarights I know that, and still made me uneasy, didn't change as a adult, just got even more toxic. (Though Bloblerta played a part on it too) Blame the parents, but also blame Clay who never dared to truly change for the better, just wanted to drag everyone down with him.
Eh, ten times is a little too much to not put in your head together that you either need to get your body checked out or you're doing something fucky. And if you don't see the alcohol and tobacco as fucky, then you're just being ignorant.
@@BBoy4040 Yes but back then the masses were ignorant. At one point doctors were telling people it was healthy to smoke. They were made ignorant and more so by believing these things.
@@randomcenturion7264 Can you stop commenting this on EVERY single reply? Those are not even proven to "cause" miscarriage, especially jumping or exercising. Roller coasters are meant to be avoided because it's a heart thing, people at any heart risk can not ride and high blood pressure puts mothers at risk and even artificial stress could potentially cause a miscarriage. They didn't even know what HPB was back then... The horse back thing is only a risk because you could always fall off, pregnant or not, though ladies have ridden when they had to long before cars. Again, no one, not even doctors knew any of those risks at the time...But you don't care, you just want to be angry and righteously judge an imaginary cartoon women about "endangering" imaginary made up fetuses? As someone else said, *touch grass.*
"you're my miracle" "so I can do no wrong" "that's not what I said" "and I'm also worthless" "that's your awful father's words not mine" "how can I be special and nothing at the same time" "forget what your father says" "forget what my mother says. got it" clay
@@CrystalRose1111narcissist is a word people use to manipulate abuse survivors. Be very very cautious of people who speak of "narcissists" because 9/10 they are just clout chasers who will lie to inform their version of reality in your mind without regard to reality or your well being. Any label used to attack someone is ripe to be used to manipulate. Whether you call Muslims terrorists or you call every damaged person a narcissist, you're just wrong because ultimately you can't claim to know what label should apply. You're just not that smart, nobody is.
A lot of people say this show is religious/Christian criticism. But moments like these make me think it's more a show about generational trauma with an emphasis on religious trauma.
The fact that she never realised how she originally treated her life during those past pregnancies with the drinking, smoking, and excesive activities (if you listen carefully she mentions activities like horseback riding, riding roller coasters, and jumping on a trampoline) for being the real causes of the miscarriages is especially shocking. Along with the fact that by devoting and distracting herself was she able to LUCKLY get successfully pregnant considering the damage she must have already caused to her body.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Not exercising wouldn't have killed the baby, maybe not eating would but even then it would've been possible to carry the baby as long as her body would handle it.
Horseback riding and trampolines don't cause miscarriages. Falling/physical trauma can cause that. It's fine as long as you're not like obviously racing 60 mph. And there is no evidence or history of rollercoasters actually causing miscarriages. Do you think cars, trains, and planes also cause miscarriages?
Y’all need to understand that during this time period smoking and drinking during pregnancy was not only a normal thing to do but was encouraged by doctors
@@creqmpufff3069 to be fair, although it's of course not true I can see why they thought that because even now people with for example chronic pain are advised by their doctors to smoke once in a while as it can soothe the pain, it also helps people with eating disorders get an appetite. Maybe doctors back then applied the same logic to pregnancies. I don't know if what I said here is entirely true since I only got it from my friend who has the experiences mentioned here though
@@LeGoodMusica23 ohh, yeah i’ve heard where it’s legal to smoke marijuana, doctors advised in smoking once in awhile to help w/ pain i think. thank you for taking the time to answer :)
@@creqmpufff3069 tobacco companies really like pushing their products, to the point that they tried to hide the health risks they knew it caused. It’s not much better now. It’s just called vaping now. Juul is 35% owned by a tobacco company, this makes them the owner of it. They purposely advertise to young children to get them addicted to their products
That is my number one favorite Moral Orel clip just the end. Her listing all of the tings that she did not have time to do because she was praying so hard.
@@deon6045 Did you know that if instead of eating out at a fancy restaurant for lunch every day. You fast and read the Bible in your car you will have more money at the end of the month. And if you eat magic mushrooms God and Jesus will tell you that you are doing a good job in person.
I mostly feel bad for her because Clay was born in 1955, and his sibling would have been born before. But smoking wasn’t considered dangerous and actually encouraged until 1964 (idk about drinking or the rest). So I just feel like if she just knew it was bad she wouldn’t have done it
@@Ambipie See, I could maybe give the drinking and smoking a pass, but trampolines? Horse back riding? Fucking rollercoasters? There had to be a line somewhere where at least Arthur knew this was a bad idea.
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 Depends. Unware of the smoking and drinking effects? Fair enough. Trampolines, horseback riding and Fucking rollercoaster rides? Nah, by that point you've got to be aware you're putting your kid at risk.
I love the detail of the names all starting with "Cl", Clark, Clarissa, Clementine, Clara, Clarise, Clea, Clancy, Clarence, Clinton, and Clondike. Then finally, Clay.
She talks about how much of a miracle he is, but decides to tell him that she had 10 miscarriages even though he was just a child. Say what you want about Clay, but that could mess up any child in general.
@@phucdatbich7333 But how old IS Clay? And honestly that kind of thinking is idiotic. Kids understand a LOT more than you assume, and she explained it in a perfectly age apropriate way if not a little tone deaf. The fact his siblings were not born alive is NOT what Clay can't accept, it's not being the one and only in EVERY capacity that has him upset. You don't need to tell your kid the dark details of everything, but you are doing essentially all children over the age of five a disservice by acting like they can't understand.
@@queenofhearts9100 Actually a miscarriage is considered death. I don't think you should talk to kids about the death of an unborn child at that age, especially 5.
@@afrikasmith1049 well you're wrong, end of story. Discussing the dark details isn't appropriate, but explaining a fact of life such as death should not be delayed.
I love the gab at 50's and 60's logic, a woman desperate for children doesn't thinking not smoking or drinking would help. I wonder if there's any statistics for kids born in those decades with foetal alcohol syndrome, the condition wasn't recognised until the mid 70's.
To be fair the industry even had doctors get paid to state that smoking was healthy sometimes it was even encouraged whose to say some of the drugs they administer now aren't entirely influenced by money and whatever the affluent wish to follow
It didn't help that the renowned OBGYN Alan Guttmacher (who went on to be president of Planned Parenthood) was advising women to smoke during pregnancy.
@@maggiequinn. They STILL advise women to smoke while pregnant if they are already smokers. Stopping CAN cause a miscarriage, as my aunt was told by four different doctors. Withdrawl is no joke, even for things like cigarettes. She was encouraged to slowly cut down over her pregnancy, but under NO circumstances was she to even attempt to outright stop until she was down to one or two a day.
@@queenofhearts9100 Makes sense I was speaking though mainly on my research and accounts from older female relatives being told to start smoking by doctors and what brands of cigarettes to buy back when it was popularized for the sake of those who held control over what went back into the body of americans not for the sake of health but mainly for that of the industry that was chosen it still exsists today less apparent though to many substances things we don't quite know enough on our own on what they give us to children b/c it always comes down to money and the agendas of the affluent who are in their peak and power now while the rest of us toil and wait for death thank you though for sharing that fact I wasn't aware of it and it was nice to have learned something especially about such a important although disheartening issue .
@@maggiequinn. It's easier to spot the quacks now because we have invested in something called the scientific process and things that are true must go through multiple sources to be authenticated. If you look into different drugs you can find out the efficacy of them but you aren't completely wrong some doctors with dubious intentions are incentivized to push things like pain pills and certain anti depressants but it's so obvious you'd have to be an idiot to fall for it.
yeah, finding out you weren't going to be an only child and that you could have had siblings, or that you wouldnt have existed if it hadnt been for them not making messes you up a little.
Yo tengo un hermano muerto no nacido y creo que igual yo hubiera nacido porque soy fuerte y terca y se me dió la gana de nacer. Mi hermano mayor también es muy fuerte y por eso nació. Él otro es muy débil y apegado a mami por eso nunca nacerá ni crecerá ni se desarrollará. Nacemos para morir. Bueno, seria para vivir nuestro momento, dar gracias a Dios.
So Clay was born only because his mother was so busy praying for her 11th child to be born alive that she didn't have time to smoke? Damn that's depressing.
Is it me or the message is the adults on this show are messed up because THEIR parents are even more messed up! It’s a miracle Oral broke the cycle of bad parenting!
the most depressing part is that clay is the only child survived but his siblings are not and since his mother death his father hated him but not worth slapping or hit him he married to a beautiful that led him drinking and fell in love with a man but broke his heart he is doomed from the start
Well he married because a beautiful woman lead him to drinking. ANd the realization that he'd lost his freedom and dreams because he was married kept him drinking. The lesson. Marriage and parenthood for the wrong reasons are basically poison.
That scene hit hard with me. My mother miscarried 5 times before I born, then was blessed with twins. My umbilical cord strangled my brother to death in the womb and my shoulders were wide enough to prevent me from coming out the natural way. She had to have emergency C-section to get me out. She was always sweet but strict with me. Life is bizarre with how it can screw you up, but its not always bad. A man missing a finger appreciates the 9 that are left more.
Some say that Clay's mom was horrible but considering the timeframe and how she talks, I think she just didn't know that smoking, drinking and certain physical exercise lead to miscarriages
His mother was just unaware of how her dangerous activities caused the miscarriages. She didn’t know any better. Clay was always horrible and acted bratty and was only upset that he wasn’t the only kid his mom was pregnant with.
they used to think cigarettes were healthy so... we cant blame her for smoking then. she probably smoked thinking it was helping because they believed smoking was "healthy".
The worst part of this scene is that Clay’s mom thinks that her praying is what allowed him to be born and not her stopping all the activities that you’re not supposed to do while pregnant. Edit: auto correct turned Clay to Carly
bruh you can see arthur puppington slowly going further away as the pregnancies went on...i feel like the look on the father's face in those pictures says it all. he knew the stuff she was doing was hurting the babies but he said nothing....
People in here talking as if this was the breaking point for Clay. But I'm sorry you need to finish the episode to fully understand why Clay is so far gone. Spoiler: Because of this little stint that made him feel worthless, he pretends to die and gives his mother a heart attack. This in turn leads to his father calling him worthless to the point of saying hitting him is "not worth it". So Clay starts to act up, simply so his father will hit him. Clay started to associate love and self worth with violence, because the only way his father acknowledged him was through corporal punishment.
I also had 3 dead siblings and when I found out about them i really felt sad about them and i imagined how me and my other siblings life would be like it's just sad RIP
I haven’t watched this far in mind you but this is, I haven’t experienced this so I don’t know how this feels but I had a friend that was born because their older sibling was a miscarriage They felt unwanted, they felt like they were the replacement, and that was with one sibling beforehand so imagine that but so much worse
That really isn’t fair. People can’t help miscarriages. They happen and they’re traumatic. Their mother’s miscarriage has nothing to do with them. Their mother wanted a child, tried, and eventually got one. They aren’t a replacement.
I guess it depends? A lot of people I know just really wanted another baby after a miscarriage. Yes, that was a "replacement" but they did really want them. I don't have kids, but I feel like if anything happened to one of my nephews I would probably want what would technically be a "replacement" child. Sure, it wouldn't be the same but it just sort of feels like a natural thing to want.
I don't think people are getting the point of this. Clay isn't "sad" or "mad" because he found out he had dead siblings and she never told him. He's mad because he thinks that he wasn't her "precious only-ever". He's throwing a tantrum over supposedly not getting the amount of attention he wants despite being absolutely showered with love and affection by his mother. He's a spoiled brat. That's why in the next clip when he pretends to kill himself his father immediately knows his antics. He's a piece of shit. He always has been.
people are failing to consider while, yes, smoking and drinking while pregnant was normalized and even encouraged by doctors, idk if rollercoaster rides, horseback riding, trampolines, or practically starving/dehydrating yourself was encouraged tbh
This scene really goes to show the early narcissism of Clay, not only does he feel a sense of upset at not being an only child in his mind he takes it seven steps further and decides to cause the trauma that killed his mom and ultimately leads to his future of bad parenting and substance abuse
If I watched this show as a kid this could have fucked me up. I was okay with Aqua Teen but something about this show made me not want to watch it until I got older, and holy shit was I right.
I found out both me and my sister are rainbow babies when my mom let it slip. There were one baby that died before each one is were born. She was the second attempt and I was the fourth. I mentioned this to my mom years later; and she completely denied it ever happened. She’s known for gaslighting though.
“Gaslighting” lmao dude. She probably denies it because it’s too painful for her to recall. What would you know about losing a baby. You sound like an insufferable kid.
@@jordanloux3883 And his dad didn't love him. So after his mother died all he had to hold onto was his inflated self worth, which clashes with his feelings of worthlessness from his father. That causes a lot of hate.
@@Kyller9-2 Not true. His Dad DID love him...until his selfish prank killed his Mother. I can understand why, not many can get past something like that.
@@queenofhearts9100 ... lol you have no reason to think his dad loved him befor that happened. Kinda seems like you didn't watch the episode. Also people don't just become abusive and cold to their kids out of nowhere.
Wow the funny thing is if she hadn’t smoked and drank, those other babies would have made it. Her dialogue that Clay is canceling out says it all. She couldn’t drink or smoke with him because she was so nervous and sick, she couldn’t socialize or really even eat.
I wonder what Clay would have been like if at least ONE of his siblings survived, given the fact that he desperately wants to be the center of attention.
it’s so damn sad. his mom babied and spoiled him under the belief of clay being a “miracle child” whilst effectively damaging her body with cigarettes and alcohol to the point of having 10 miscarriages. and the dad, while obviously the more sympathetic of the two since it *was* clay’s doing, refused to show him any love and resorted to slapping him at any chance he got. clay was already fucked up since the beginning, and after his mom’s death, it was already way too late to save him.
My stepsister smoke, did drugs and probably drink while being pregnant. My nieces looks normal and healthy but it still too early to say, I pray that they don't have disability or any health issues down the road.
Stuff like this changes kids and makes them evil and bitter but it’s our job to change that or to at least change ourselves Don’t let the past decide your future Be different Be better
People of a comment think that this is what messed him up I actually think it's the opposite I think it messed up the parents. And he later became "the special child", it reminds me of Jeff Warren's the prophet the FLDS. When children are brought up as literally God's gifts, they tend to develop narcissism. Because the parents put their kids on a pedestal. Also this would have been before the ages of fetal alcohol syndrome and people knowing that cigarettes are bad. Fun fact the Nazis knew how bad cigarettes were back in world war II.
I think for the most part Clay was flawed as a result his upbringing but likely moved past it as he got older until he met Bloberta and that’s ultimately what made him the way he is, not to say that he’s a saint as he didn’t make any effort to change his life if he was so unsatisfied with it.
He never had the skillset or life experience to work on bettering or changing himself. He feels trapped with no real sense of agency due to his obligations to a wife he doesn’t love (and who probably never loved him) and children he never wanted, and lashes out at everyone else for his inability to move on from his past.
Kinda ironic that clay became an alcoholic, just like her mother before quitting smoking and drinking in which caused himself to survive only to inherit the habit that killed his unborn siblings
The time period here was in the 50s right? And Cigarettes weren't really deemed as deadly, sometimes people even supported cigarettes back then. So she wouldn't had known that, that would've killed her children.
This hits deep in my soul because my mom told me she miscarried 3 times before she have me and my 3 other siblings...except she did not smoke or anything like that, she was just too young until she had me at 18... Also to add, dad's side of the family has a history of miscarriages, stillborns, and premature births...
I'm shock of how many kids died inside her til i remember that in all the picture she was smoking, so yeah big wonder ow they died and yet clay was only to get to live because she stop smoking and drinking
5/8 of my mom's kids made it to birth. All 5 of us are still alive today. Older brother will be 21 in August, I turned 19 in April, younger brother will be 18 in October, 2nd youngest brother will be 15 in July, and youngest brother will be 11 in October. I'm the only girl.
Jesus, knowing you lost a brother/sister who died before being born is horrible but to have 10 siblings you would of never met??? I don't know how i would cope with that knowledge specially at a young age
smoking, highballs, horseback riding, rollercoasters, trampoline, little wonder how she had 10 stillbirths/miscarriages even at the time this is just pure reckless negligence
bro you know that there is a thing known as science lol. They couldn’t have known until it was proven and easily accessible, to them it could have been anything. Who knows what pregnant women should avoid 50, 60 years from now that is all too common
