More About Mix Knobs (phase shift, oversampling and so on) 

I'm working in video games and the film industry because of this guy. Thanks for bubble popping and clarity in a very muddled industry, Dan. Your videos, combined with internships and work to be done, have helped push me further than you can imagine. You're a legend.

10:18 as a plugin developer I can confirm that our voices are just like this, always!

as always the defacto statndard for sound engineering knowledge

What's left unaccounted for is why you'd ever want to mix the output of a compressor into a parallel dry signal? If it's less of a wall you want, just turn down the compression ratio.

Your self described “low effort” videos with you discussing something without a script is still the most information dense and excellent sound videos on RU-vid. Loving the consistent videos

In your "Fifth Decade" meaning not yet 50? You're a baby!

Dan, wasn't it a bit irresponsible to use the engineer's real voice? He has a pretty distinct voice and can surely now be identified. 🤔

The Vocoder! 😄

if you follow Dan, you know phase shift isn't really a big deal most of the time

Hey Dan. Would you ever consider doing a mix breakdown of some of the work you've done? Wether that would be on your own music or music that you've mixed for others.. I for one, would love to see that 🙂

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And then we have things like Melda's free MFreeFormPhase which allows you to set the phase of individual frequencies...

Great analysis. For context, we approach these design issues slightly differently in our multiband compressors, albeit with similar objectives: + We process the dry/wet mix separately inside of each frequency band, where phase issues from the crossover filters present less of a concern. Some of our plugins have up to 64 separate dry-wet mixes going on internally - luckily this is fairly cheap in terms of CPU. + We avoid using IIR filters for crossovers, especially in the low end. They are not kind to signals with sharp corners, and you can hear it. FIR crossovers however can be made to give "perfect reconstruction" of the multiband signal (absent heavy processing), even at much lower latency than that required for linear phase. + We generally use linear phase oversampling on the high-frequency bands, and (cheaper) IIR oversampling for lower frequencies where there's more breathing room between the signal and Nyquist.

SOFTUBE!!! GIVE DAN A LICENSE FOR GERMANIUM COMP!!! PLEASE!!!

one of your videos on oversampling convinced me to mix at 48k a few years ago and I have not regretted it one bit

When Dan asks "What sorcery is this?", you know you're about to learn something.

Oh yes! Cableguys seem to know what they're doing with plugins. Some of the smoothest, most well engineered plugins I've come across. Same as FabFilter plugins. You virtually never see any major issues with them either. Well, except for Twin 3 having its compressor post the output gain! Something I thought they would've designed differently. I caught myself out there, setting the compressor then changing the output gain, which only drove the compressor harder when I increased the output. Had to think for a minute what was going on until I realised the compressor gain reduction was increasing. Thanks for yet another in-depth, extremely interesting video Dan. Really appreciate them!

Hello Dan! Record a little mixing session for us, please.

You caught the Swedish accent pretty much perfectly.

This is the only RU-vid channel where I put a like on the video before I watch it. And I never un-liked once I'm done with it.

This video is the reason why nerds never become good producers. Yes, perhaps they can develop useful VSTs. But OCD stressing over things that don't matter in a musical context is time not well-spent. More on the music, less on the technicalities.

I will always despise phase shifting and I will always fight it. 😅 Great video ! 💜🔥💯👽👌✨️

I'd never understand this type of complaints. If the instrument built this way use it as an effect or a part of a sound then. And if the result isn't what you wanna get just use different one. There're plenty of SSL-type compressors on the market. Which is the right/better one? Does it even matters? Just pick one that'll give you the result you want and don't even bother "is it mimicking hardware the right way or not". Yet I'd never be tired of those "professionals" who started getting concerned about some effects the plugins might bring to the sound only after they have studied it in Plugin Doctor or such thing... It's been very OK before and "impossible to work" now. Lovely!

The band-splitting filters having non-perfect phase at the crossover is lazy implementation. Conjugate mirror filters should ideally be used for that, they gaurentee perfect reconstruction after summation

I was hoping Dan was going to end with "don't fear the Reaper" but that wouldn't have made sense here.

Very interesting that you low pass the overheads at 10k. I may try this. I've heard it mentioned somewhere before as well.

Yeah, I haven't heard 18k in..... awhile, seems like a non issue.

Very useful. Thanks Dan.

Great demo on that. As a final take, we now know Softube engineers have been replaced with AI. 😮

Are all oversampling features created equal? For example is 4x oversampling on my stock waveshper equivalent to 4x on my Analog Obsession pre amp? I often want parallel saturation (with minimal aliasing) and have to use Patcher (fl studio) to run 2 copies of say, the TRANSATURATE plugin, one wet and one completely dry to match the oversampling and eliminate the phasing in the high end.

I hope you were using the Softube vocoder for that dev’s voice. Brilliant.

Dan's making up for lost time! Love it!

First video I've seen of yours, Dan, for an age. Not been getting notifications, as, it appears, RU-vid didn't want me sub'd to you any longer. Bizarre, never been ghost un-sub'd before. All fixed now though, and ELATED to be back on the DW firm.

Not sure how much of that I understood but as a big Softube user it's nice to know there's some very clever software under the hood. 😎

I have to mix at 48k because my audio interface works at that sample rate, I am nearly in my 5th decade and can’t really hear above 16k so I can’t even hear an 18k notch

My ears encounter a lot of times some 'fase shifting' (problems) when I am sending to a parallel Chanel. I always fear and listen well for those combined " latency / fase " issues. Thanks edit: but its not in the upper highs where the difference seems the most, but i hear some wierd fasing or difference in the mids

Effortlessly a genius. The vocoder twist took me out.

Hi Dan, a besotted sub here. I'd be incredibly interested to hear your take on a recent youtube post by AP Mastering entitled "Shocking results: 16 EQ plugins tested. Do they all sound the same?!" Thanks!

The Softube Vocode Crystalizer Choir patch video tho…? 🤔🤔🤔

Hello DW sir Plz make a video about waht will happend when we use linearity on any insert and master at the same time... Does it make polarity reverted of insert in master?

Recently dealt with this on the free Voxengo Tube Amp saturator/distortion, kept getting a weird notch/comb on render when using it on a parallel distort send until I found the linear phase os filter option in the settings!

these are always SO enlightening lifts those little worries all up! video number 3 of asking for a clipper video and why it is and it isn't just compression

As soon as you changed the samplerate on plugin doctor my tinnitus was triggered. Hillarious, maybe you’re into some deep science discovery business

"depending on the needs of the algorithm" - ah pure sanity, the most valuable trait human being can have.

Totally figures that the Softube dev sounds like a Brit thru a vocoder. Totally apt

Recently, a video popped up in my RU-vid recommended feed. The video discussed how a single plug-in could transform this guy‘s mix. When I personally listened to his examples, the only thing I noticed was a slight volume change. What are your thoughts on plug-ins like the one shown in this video? Plug-ins that say they can make your mixes better by messing with the phase are automatically not getting tested by me. Like you have said 1 million times, in most cases, faze shift may sound good and is not something you should be that worried about. Faze shift is not scary, like a lot of people and marketing seem to think it is. You can do some really cool and amazing stuff with faze shifting. I am blind so I cannot see wether a plug-in is bypassed or not, so I cannot be fooled by seeing a green light turn on, or animated wave forms in a plug-in display. I didn’t notice any change at all in the way it sounded except for what could’ve been a 0.1 DB gain boost. The guy in this video mentions that the low mid end of his mix was boosted, but there was no EQ being applied to the sound, and that this plugging was adding more punch to the sound. Like I’ve said before, I just feel like the sound gets ever so slightly louder, which could make someone think that it sounds a bit more punchier. At first, I didn’t even know the plug-in had been enabled, until the guy said “wow”. Then I knew the plug-in was on, and I could not hear any difference at all. Thought I would share this to you. Any plug-in that says it can make your mix better by adjusting the phase shift is not worth my money or my time installing it unless I can noticeably hear a difference that I like between when it’s bypassed or not, with the audio tests being level matched. thought I would send this to you so you could analyze this plug-in and see what it actually does. I wouldn’t be too surprised if it visually makes it look like it’s doing something, but it’s actually just raising the volume up by a slight bit. here’s the link to the video I saw. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LvrQ_GuUvvo.htmlsi=we-_EeIsNS0w2ukJ

Today it was more of an "I and welcome back"

Dan you've missed big chunks of what is important here - the amplitude response still matters. Elliptic filters have wobble in the pass band amplitude response (not good), and you haven't even shown how much rejection is done by each filter, which is important.

I saw a video of a Mastering engineer saying they turn off over sampling on their mastering clipper and maybe even limiter? Because they find the over sampling filter to be more audible than aliasing from a clipper only kicking in every so often. I tested this myself using Kclip 3 and I could swear I heard a difference when the over sampling was off versus on, even when no clipping was applied. So is it the shift I’m hearing?

I can't figure out, why people complain about that issue. Fact is, correct me if I'm wrong or too stupid for this, that you can't get over Nyquist. That's a law, no matter what your sample rate is or where the plugin starts to dip in. Yes, you get a phase shift, if you go beyond the Nyquist level, but that is something, a compressor tries to avoid at any circumstance right?

How is your health been Dan?

Please do an analysis of Slate's VTM. I assert that the bass bump region of his tape emulation is excessive & unrealistic, even after using the bass-bump adjustment slider

😂😂 man the voice shifter

You need to release a plugin that just tells me when I'm about to do something irrepairably stupid while mixing in Reaper 🤣

as always, great and straight to the point.

Iv been meaning to get around to it but i downloaded a free ai mastering plugin and im gona use your i won the loudness war song as a ref

These videos oddly remind me that I want to do this stuff for the rest of my life.

Vocoder 🤩😍

You're the best, Dan

Dan do u have any opinions on har-bal eq?

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Fascinating video as always, much appreciation for the refined balance between breadth and precision! I have one counter to the notion of the 18kHz notch being unnoticeable, which is simply that stereo information is concentrated towards higher frequencies, and a notch might impact stereo image even if the character of the sound is indiscernably affected. But then, as you mentioned, simply switching to 48kHz sampling or using native mixers solves the issue anyway.

Interesting idea: sidechain filter in compressors causes phase shift, it means the compressor “sees” the sidechain signal delayed from the main signal. One option is to try to use linear phase sidechain filter and compare the sound. Another option is to apply all-pass phase rotation to the main input matching the phase shift of sidechain filter for sidechain input.

New Dan Worrall video! First I like it, then I watch it.

Conclusion = track with hardware or dsp plugins ^^

Best thing is to use quality samples with layering to avoid using multiband dynamics.

Just have your engineers only use linear phase oversampling methods, duh

Thank You! I love the way this plugin sounds... adds nice dimension, warm cozy coloration... and doesnt sound too expensive.😂 grateful to geta copy while they were giving it away! thanks SOFTUBE, thanks Mr.DanWorrall

i see dan i click

Tell that to whoever produced R.A.M. to filter the cymbals at 10k given that in the hi-res version they pass 30k... And between the two versions the difference is palpable, even for you given that those frequencies You don't listen to them with your ears

He said knobs!

yes!