WTF is Dither? 

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I was more like „Amen!“ But yea, it’s kinda funny how people tend to make a big fuss over a whole lot of nothing. 😅

I swear 😂😂😂

It seems you severely underestimated Dan Worrall's power. If Dan uploads a 2 hour video on grass growing... you're going to watch the whole damn thing. 😂

Thank you, Dan Worrall and you made my day

Tekkerue where do I find this grass growing vid?

It's called the Dan Worrall effect.

The only videos I watch and share basically. The Internet is so full of misinformation and half-truths. Be careful out there!

exactly, i have heard so many stories from people who don't do "null tests", that's so 90's ! i think the best was once when someone was demoing a compressor to me and was telling me it was "sounding much better" and the gain reduction was not even being hit.

Agree, tho I would say this is more DSP than traditional PCB engineering.

Except none of that matters when your an 18year old who produced some Billie eilish crap that has major recognition.. So that doesn't matter really either

If you're "sickened" by that then you don't have a very strong constitution. In other words, who cares what other people do? When amateurs mess up it means more business for people who actually know stuff. You're smelling a little bit like an elitist there brah.

when I want to convert to MP3, I should first export 16 bit dithered file and then export MP3??

@@VAEOMMusic can your DAW export .mp3 directly?

@@dulmin_ yes. I use studio one and it supports MP3 export. What should I do? I work at 48k sample rate and want to export 320 kbps 44.1k mp3

@@VAEOMMusic I also use Studio One, but I'm used to dither by FFProL2 plugin. So for answering this question, I had to watch another RU-vid video to find how Dithering can be enabled in StudioOne itself (if you are not using a specific plugin to Dither). Here's what I found :- 1. Go to "Options" window (accessible via "Studio One" dropdown below title bar at top). 2. In "Advanced" category, under "Audio" sub-category, enable *"Use dithering for playback and audio file export"* 3. Hit 'OK' (the window will then close with changes applied) Since you've enabled dithering now, once you are exporting your MP3 (at 320kbps 44.1kHz), the file such exported should be automatically dithered. However I'm not familiar with this method, since I do dithering by FFProL2 plugin (so the aforementioned option for StudioOne's own dithering isn't enabled in mine). I assume you know how to export. If not ; well it is done by "Export Mixdown" window accessed by the "Song" dropdown below the title bar at top. In the "Format" region of that window, you can select "MP3 File", and set your preferred attributes (44.1kHz / 320 kbps). I suggest to use Constant bitrate. Since we're supposed to choose a 'bitrate' here (rather than _'bit depth'_ as in Wave exporting), I don't think there's any "16bit / 24bit / etc." choice to be made during mp3 exporting. Besides, mp3 's can't be in 24 bit, which is why if you're supposed to create an .mp3 file using an existing .wav file, it's advised to use a 16bit .wav for that conversion (not a 24bit/32bit .wav)

@@VAEOMMusic *If you can export 'mp3' directly from the DAW (with dithering enabled), that's totally fine.* No need of exporting 'wav' and then converting to 'mp3'. But if a DAW can't export 'mp3' directly (such that you have to export a 'wav', then convert it to 'mp3' by a *SEPARATE CONVERTER APP* ), there you have to make sure that 'wav' file (taken from the DAW) is 16bit.

LOL

I don't always go to the pub on a Friday night, but when I do I get absolutely dithered.

@@AutPen38 dithered, lol. I’ll have to remember that!

oh man thats cool. i love winamp.

i never realized that

does it? afaiui from the video it should have dithered the audio before converting

that is cool woah

It says right on that page that it uses the LAME encoder. So FL studio will most likely behave exactly the same - just as any other software that probably implements that encoder. Or any software that uses mp3s properly for that matter.

Isn't that called a bitcrusher?

Yes sir.

No one stops learning to be fair 😉

I feel like Danworralslutz.com could be an exciting prospect in more ways than one.

absotutely

Well, except that it's a very artificial demonstration showing a technical detail that's more or less completely irrelevant in the real world... How many people do you know who listen to music at +60 or +108dB? Dithering is free, so there's no penalty in using it, but except for some really extreme cases it's also mostly unnecessary.

@@d5uncr do you know what flame wars are? they are usually people arguing passionately about things which are irrelevant to most of the world.

@@d5uncr That was Dan's whole point: at those extreme levels, dithering is the last thing you should worry about - focus on the music production. Watch again and listen to the point he is making.

@@ToddBeal Well, his #1 rule at 9:54 is "Always use dither when creating a 16bit file". That should also have had the caveat that his 24bit rule has : "no one will ever know if you don't". As I said "Dithering is free, so there's no penalty in using it". But to quote Monty Montgomery (of Xiph, creators of ogg/vorbis and opus, fame) : "No one ever ruined a great recording by forgetting to dither the final master". The "Digital Show & Tell" video on the Xiph site is well worth watching when it comes to dithering. That segment starts at the 9 minute mark.

sounds are frequencies right? so that totally makes sense to a layman like me

I am a hobby EDM producer and I worked for a short time in a Radio station, the equipment and plugins/software you use are fascinating and some are unheard for music producers

@@Will-qx9vm Probably the two techniques I'm most surprised don't see use in the audio space are frequency mixing and quadrature/IQ sampling. Sure, additively shifting the frequency content of a sample is less "musical" than the logarithmic pitch shifts that audio people usually reach for, but unlike pitch shifting there's no phase discontinuity problems you need some extra intelligent algorithm for, and the effect is basically free computationally speaking. And, while audio files wouldn't actually be smaller if stored using an IQ sample format (since the frequency content of audio is so close to baseband), it _would_ make nearly all effects processing algorithms more efficient, and enable dealing with phase issues in less awkward ways. (In fact, a lot of algorithms literally start by resampling the input to IQ, and end by resampling IQ back to the output format.)

We do use frequency mixing/ring mods in sound design/synthesis but its generally far less useful for most applications because it 1) isnt much good on polyphonic sources because it doesnt preserve the ratios between notes. We usually work in EDO tuning systems like 12tet and destroying those relationships render those shifts pointless 2) It requires back of the napkin calculations that slow down production. You'd need a program to streamline it regardless.

Hi Ethan, good to see you here! I suspect you're right of course. I well remember when a DAW I used to use turned out to have a bug in the 16 bit dither and no one had noticed for over a year... But its already controversial enough to suggest that 24 bit dither doesn't matter, so that will do for now ;)

@@DanWorrall LOL, you know me, I embrace controversy. :->)

Yes I've noticed :)

My process has become this: 1. Export my mixdown file with no dither as a 32-bit WAV file 2. Import the file into RX for phase correction, save again as a 32-bit WAV 3. Pull the file into my DAW for mastering. 4. Now, when exporting the fully mastered track, I can export a 16-bit WAV or FLAC file with dither, only having applied it once with no loss of dynamic range or extra dithering earlier in the process This is most likely overkill, but will ensure the best end product consistently when dealing with any content that includes a large dynamic range