Honestly yeah. There isn't any budget decks because you need these broken staples that are expensive and if you don't have them you are in a clear disadvantage.
In the end, it all comes down to price. No one would complain about a format having a mandatory 3-of if it was like a dollar. The OCG has been flourishing all these years despite having to constantly huff the Gokiburi copium because their cards are so dirt cheap. Just play Master Duel.
I do 1000% agree that "you're a casual, you shouldn't care about winning" is silly. Even if I'm playing a silly deck I want to have an impact on the game and take a game or two even if I can't win a match! If not I might as well stay home and lab combos instead lol. In general I mostly agree with a lot of the points here. I do think the alt formats one is a tiny bit silly though. If the alt format events are announced in advance I don't think going to an event every other week instead of every week is that bad, I can understand how it might be a serious problem if you have a small community where splitting it could kill the locals, but in general if people are wanting to play the alt format enough it seems logical to support it. Like, some of the alt format players may be people who otherwise would just stay home entirely because they hate whatever the modern staples and meta decks do, like all the Locals that died down because of Snake Eye. I think at least a nice thing about Heart of the Underdog type stuff is that the investment needed to participate is often lower, since the most expensive of expensive cards usually aren't as relevant and you can reuse some cards from your real decks depending on the archetype.
So at the end of video. This applies to people with an actual locals. There's like 3 competitive people at my locals. Turn out is 12 people usually and 7 of them are developmentally disabled. If I play full power anything I'm bullying people. Even if turn out if over 20, it's also only ever 3 rounds, so idk what to do lol
I genuinely do not care if I lose. I care if I get turn skipped, or hand ripped, or negated into oblivion. I just wanna do cool fun stuff like use terrortop + instant contact to go into psychic end punisher
Losing can be enjoyable… if you had a fair chance to win. That is why doping in sports is so frowned upon because it puts you in a disadvantageous position. If you lose honestly you can be proud of yourself after some time, if you lose to equipment or sth similar it feels incredibly unsatisfying. That’s why losing in things like roulette or even worse the slot machine isn’t fun because you are always at a disadvantage and never had a fair chance to begin with. That doesn’t feel satisfying to know you never had a chance. And to be honest Yu-Gi-Oh has become a lot like gambling and it’s not only because the Pachinko Giant Konami but like a slot machine you are putting in insane amounts of money, the deck is often stacked against you and on your screen/table you see shiny stuff/cards go big and go boom all the time until you lose after 5minutes.
his argument against dueling book and online formats is true for paper as well. Unless you're friends with pro players you want be consistently playing against top players anywhere. Most people you'll play in paper are some dude who net decked a list but is ass at the game.
I mean, lets not pretend there is any difference between pros or not, yugioh is not a game that takes a whole lot of skill, it mostly comes down to your deckbuilding. Any idiot can take a tier 0-1 and get some tops
While some decks can pilot themselves a good chunk require quite intimate knowledge with the deck and playstyle knowing how to bait, where to divert and where to call it quits plus the opponent should also know where to aah for maximum interruption
Nice yap but if that were true we wouldn't see the same names topping and winning major tournaments. It would just be any random player each time since "any idiot can take a tier 1 deck list and top". Master duel finals two years in a row was literally the same teams but I'm sure that's just luck since no skill was involved
If the Mulcharmy's piss you off just don't play the game until they get reprinted. People are still going to my locals and playing so far, and they respect each other enough that they aren't playing the Mulcharmy's. The ones that don't have them aren't going to regionals or YCS with intention to top. Maybe run some side events etc if they do decide to go. I"d love to see the stats for those who are complaining and how consistently they top events. That said every format seemingly has a problem card(s) that people seem to just hate, and this is not exclusive to Yugioh, but many other TCGs. People will spend $1000 on their decks just for a chance to top, and the ones who are quitting were probably not that invested in the hobby anyway. I go to my locals and I come last place week after week, but I get a lot of free cards or trades to build up my collection so I have fun too. Maybe just play for fun, and if you can't have fun this format Stick to MasterDuel. It's only a few months and we'll then be complaining about Maliss, Ryzeol, Tenpai format 🤣🤣.
tbh, I do not enjoy playing against Snake-Eyes. I do not enjoy playing against decks with extremely small engines that are able to play 15+ hand traps, and then recur these small engines on turns 3 and 5, even if I am able to effectively stop them on turn 1. The heavy handtrap style is effectively me showing up to play locals, getting told "no" 3 times on my turn, then trying to do the same thing to my opponent on their turn. And with Crossover breakers, where Ryzeal and Maliss have like 15 card engines with room for 18 non-engine, these design choices will continue to frustrate me. I can agree that the format overall is likely healthier with more variety, but I've finally accepted the realization that I jut don't enjoy the overall direction Yugioh has gone in Post Tear. Farfa recently got kinda torn apart for this take from Josh Schmidt, but i think he's right. The game isn't going to slow down. It's going to keep power creeping because Konmai keeps needing to sell product. I don't see us getting that giant reset banlist that a lot of people are hoping for. And if this isn't a style of game you enjoy, it may not be the game for you. And I'm coming to accept that about myself. And unfortunately, there isn't a viable alternative format except Time Wizard, and if you ever want to play something other than Edison (which I love) in paper, it basically takes planning out with a dedicated pod of players unless you're in one of the larger Yugioh regions like California.
People said this with Zoodiac (small engine with handtraps to fill the rest). Konami after a year or two will have a re-design of meta decks. Poplars and Circulars and Tenpai as a mechanic are a new thing they're introducing now. They're probably a year or two ahead of making new archetypes with different flavors. For example, full power Tear played no handtrap and is still the best deck of all time
@@dragon-id5uj it means that everyone has a different opinion of what a "healthy format" is so for someone who enjoys playing a variety of decks and/or facing a variety of decks, having more viable decks = a healthy format
reasonable build diversity (i.e. a tier 1 and 2 that has some viable options) and a tier 0 that includes more than say 2 decks, or, if you want real pie in the sky, no tier 0 at all.
Idk Yubel is kinda fun I've come around it. Snake eye just feels old and stale but it is a little interesting to play against and has been for quite awhile. It's actually MORE bearable without the dumb goofy aaa omnis. I think Fuwalos is holding back the previously top decks of SE and Yubel helps a lot. Tenpai however is not fun to play against. It is uninteractive and annoying af. Snake eye and fire king does require some interaction to win. They're very explosive decks. Tenpai kind of just says "No. No interacting".
At a casual level, I was playing RDA vs tenpai and even against snake eyes I felt like had a chance of winning but against tenpai? I just had to sort of accept nothing was gonna be happening.
Formats are the best when you have like 5 good decks. Have too little and it becomes bad and have too many and it becomes too much to concievably prepare for.
Your argument for too many is the equivalent of saying piloting a deck is only bad if the options are too vaccuous or too simple; Complex things are interesting. The simple and braindead part is the problem, but we read more than a harry potter enthusiast when reading everything from the beginning.
The existence of Magic's modern meta proves that "too many" viable decks isn't a real thing. You can reasonably expect to go against any number of like 30 decks, and you choose what to prepare for. In yugioh specifically it encourages more broad deck building choices that inherently slow the game down (another common complaint solved), and gives more credibility to larger decks which means Konami can reasonably design decks with higher engine requirements, while also breathing more life into OLDER decks that also have those higher engine requirements and simply require a slightly longer game.
No one wanna go to locals to get shit on by full power fire yubel and tenpai everywhere. So sure it’s “just” locals but most ppl who care about the game are going with the best deck they can bring
this format definitely feels way better so far but i fully agree with the issue on splitting the formats for either old or fake formats my locals do it once a month and every time i dont have a deck ready fro it due to my collection being from like before pendulums and photon hypernova cards alot of those cards in between i dont have XD
In my locals we have more people playing heart of the underdog than advanced since we are all broke lmao. Advanced was alyways won by the same guy who spent a ton of money (also very good player) so its more fun to play with bad decks
At the only Place in my City where you can go to play Yugioh locals ive already seen multiplie ppls with tripple fuwalos (ive just been there twice... TWICE) "No OnE aT lOcAlS hAs FuWaLoS" Literally the first one ive seen there at the ROTA Sneak peak had a full Snake Eye Fiend Smit Deck
Hey Stevie, have you seen the prize pool for mtg Worlds 30 that was last weekend? Ygo prices are just part of the problem. Everything gameplay-wise is just long solitaire turns at turn one, avoiding interaction with free 'no' effects and matches ending by turn 3 (if you're lucky to reach turn 3). At mtg Worlds, so much interaction with examples like the semifinals match between Seth Manfield and Javier Dominguez going through a war with cards.
While more decks doesn't neccessarily equal a "healthy format" neither does a single deck dominating a format to such a severe degree while being to expensive for the average person. I don't care if Tearlament was a "fun" skill based format, that only applied to the people who could afford the deck. Even then, a format where almost all you can expect is a mirror match with the remaining possibilities being OTK/FTK strategies that make interacting with them impossible (looking at you, Tenpai Dragon) or stun strategies who more clearly show the "you can't play" mentality the wombo combo decks also have (but people don't care because it's more fun to combo to make your opponent unable to play I guess, which is a point I don't agree with) and it leads to the format getting stale too quickly. Variety makes things more interesting and usually better for the average person (although it would be a lot healthier if it was actually balanced and cheaper if konami didn't lock new staples to the highest rarity) Tl;Dr: top end competitive players and people who support tier 0 formats need to quit whining about how they can't account for every matchup with their side board and actually learn way to play against those strategies
9:00 My locals is the exact opposite experience. I can near guarantee at least 50% of the regulars at my locals already have their full sets of Fuwalos, and my main LGS consistently has 5 round locals every Saturday unless there is a YCS or regional or something similar nearby. It's basically not worth it for me to try to play at my locals just to get dumpstered for 3 rounds before dropping and going to play EDH. At this point I just cut out the middleman and am playing EDH instead of bothering with anything beyond pickup games of Yu-Gi-Oh. Hell, I'm looking at Magic's standard format as a suitable alternative for a competitive TCG experience, and I haven't like standard in over a decade.
My locals is like 80% fuwalos, that's silicon valley for you. Format is difficult when you have a lot of really good players and fuwa, a recent set preview at a store nearby had 50 players it was harder than some regionals, we have multiple ycs toppers that come to locals
@@caseystrong9582 It's not a broken card, but not having it is a strategic disadvantage. If I play a deck without it and my opponents all have it, they have an inherent advantage over me as I now need to use my interaction on Fuwalos as opposed to an engine piece while they are free to save interaction for my engine without ever being forced to burn interaction on a Fuwalos from me. It's also bad card design in general, Maxx C and all its knock-offs are. Edit: Crossout also assumes you have Fuwalos. If the issue is the imbalance between Fuwalos havers and non-Fuwalos havers, it's reasonable to assume Crossout isn't an answer. Also Drolling to stop a Fuwalos can just kill your turn depending on the deck after they got a draw off Fuwalos anyway, might as well just go S:P pass.
There is fun into making a control puzzle deck people have to destroy in general. Krawler my beloved, make people go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM how the fuck do I actually move through all of that permanent swarm. They get a way eventually cuz I can't end a game, but it's really interesting to see people develop some way to get through all the floaters into floaters into floaters.
Someone who use to go to locals when i was 12 and went with Venoms and Gemini decks against teledads, heroes, lightsworns, zombie decks etc. Shit was not fun i lost all my games
Idk I play gate guardian and it completely slow tempi yubel down the feild spell prevents attacks the turn a level 4 or lower is summon and if an monster declares an attack of 1800 attack or less is automatically destroyed. Cause of gate guardian combined yubel targets its negated and I use that effect 3 times per turn.
Kash soldier here. i got shifter as my turn card so who needs fuwalos, also i dont need my normal so i can play sphere mode as an out to allmost everything and droll is also pretty good in this format. iam also good into fuwalos. D barrier is also still a real card and i still got kali yuga as my boss monster until Arise comes back (everytime you see heatsoul think to yourself that this also could have been a kali yuga setup). just gotta hope impuls is getting used early.
Am one of those "casual competitive" players that came back January 2024. Slowly built up my collection again because of rarity collection 1 otherwise there was no chance I would come back to the game. I kept up with it just fine up until the set with Fiendsmith where I just dipped back, and money had to go other places. I am now far behind again because they print staples as secrets you need playsets of. There is no way I would play the TCG rn without Fuwalos or Impulse. Back to MD I go.
Pokemon has TCGLive and the vast majority agree that it is not the greatest place to practice decks and tournaments hosted on it are known as “Mickys” in the community. What chance does Omega or Duelingbook really have for decent practice?
Well DB is litterally a 1 for 1 simulator. No glowing yellow cards, no little window that pops up when you can chain something, you need to actually know how to play. It's actually the best possible testing platform for the TCG besides having a decent team who know how to test properly.
You can win without mulchurmy(or the other one), dominus traps, fiendsmith, diabellestar package (dropped in price), fenrir (dropped in price), sp (dropped in price) but not having any of these really limits your deck choices and not being able to afford these when they wouldve helped/needed in most decks that people want to play sucks. Theres too many cards in the game that are confusing too like the linear equation cannon just as an example, if the cards were simpler instead of obscure cards with 100 lines of tiny text in wouldnt be as bad. I don't mind this format because i have all the ones that dropped in price so there are options for me but if i was on birds or tenpai and my deck suddenly went from cheap and affordable to extremely expensive i wouldnt be happy. branded fusion being hit instead of the puppet stings too.
This is why I respect stevie's takes. He understands this is absurd even when he can afford it and will make a video about it and point out the flaws of this fake multi deck format garbage.
my locals is Diabell Azamina Feindsmith central, I play goblins or musketeer feindsmith (getting lucky pulling one Engraver) no matter how good I play those decks are in a different league than what I can do with them. I'm only spending enough for 1 box a month verses people that have been on the card market day one I can assure you it is not feasible to have a budget rouge deck that can deal with what they put out.
Go to locals once a week? As a working dad of three, I get to my locals about one every 2-3 months. I would definitely be annoyed if they randomly decided that week to completely change up the format, even if I exclusively play rogue decks.
I don't understand why people get upset at content creators who's opinions change over something that is fluid. MBT was correct saying not all formats are bad. People are allowed to have a love/hate relationship with something that isn't static. I also agree that the format may have improved slightly, but it is still far from what I would personally define as healthy. In every state I have lived, the local scene is almost just as competitive as the regional scene for the area. Most locals have gate keepers that constantly hold top spots, I was one myself until I stepped away back in April. That part of the game has been true for a very long time. It is not rocket science as to why we have a hard time getting new players and retaining veterans. It is also a massive shame we moved backwards in terms of the game just being unaffordable for people to keep up with anymore. We are pretty much moving back to Tele-Dad days of costs of decks. I know people didn't like the cap on card prices konami placed on vendors at events, but the game felt more affordable back then compared to before and after the rule was created and later removed.
I have to ask, do most locals even have people that would get the super expensive cards like the multcharmy? I would assume in most places you don’t, or there are very few at most. Also speaking personally, if the players weren’t enjoying the advanced format, wouldn’t that be the best time to make an unofficial “house rules” format (or just try out Edison/Goat)?
I'm only able to play through simulators and md in the past before covid i could've played paper in my country but honestly i aint too mad that i'm relegated to simulators simply becaus MD is better and paper costs way too much
My only gripe with the format is Dominus Impulse. It’s such an insane card, at least with Ash Blossom, you have a chance with Called By or Triple Tactics cards, but any deck with Impulse has a huge advantage on being able to shut down summon effects twice, or even having a Nib proof without needing an Omni or Crossout.
ygo has had a pricing problem since DAD format 10 years ago. It's not like this is some new issue. The issue has been and will continue to be that the players are suckers and will buy a 1000$ deck and travel to a YCS where the winner gets a playmat.
Edison definitely ruined one of my locals for advanced . It’s just a bunch of boomers going for Edison now . We get like 9-10 players tops for advanced now when it use to be over 20
I went to a local and played trap lab against snake eye fire king azamina round 1 snake eye fire king fiendsmith round 2 out of 4 rounds and it was really unfun. I know I suck and I don’t put enough time nor money but it’s pretty unfun to feel like I’m getting wobbled in a card game.
Everyone has the right to their subjective opinion on how they ENJOY the format. To me if ycs niagra is actually what the format is, its at the very least a decent format. Now you may not like the decks of the current format but that doesnt really mean its bad.
I think the format right now is fine…… Online. In paper the format is horrible and costs you a months rent just to play a deck. But as long as you play on online simulators, I think the format is pretty diverse and fun.
They’re not Fun, but they ARE Toxic, which you, of course, love to death I thought. It’s the upmost of fun times when you can make the opponent hate the game, you’ve said this many times.
Peasants will go through the same cycles over and over again, and never stop. Wallet will be felted to feed addiction, wake up with the same awful hangovers. I am so over the same complaint videos since I started watching these vids in TeleDAD format. Impotent nerd rage is worthless. MBT cope is on the other side of the coin
I'm not a big fan of the current format personally, the (arguably) best deck, Snake Eye Azamina, has an in engine Omni that is essentially completely free for them to get out, as well as layered interaction that renders most board breakers close to worthless. Add to that Fuwalos, which I really think is just unhealthy for the game in general, and it all amounts to a pretty unfun format for me. Would I take the previous format where Yubel was head and shoulders above everything else? No, I wouldnt. At least Rota gave Ulcanix, meaning I can play my pure Fire King Deck, and the new Mermail support is really fun too, but the fact is, neither of those decks can compete with the Azamina stuff, which is just way too strong, and way too free.
Honestly I personally think the format isn't much better since the decks you face aren't different to the last 6 months, just sackier with 1 of ash etc, plus getting hit with blowout cards like fuwalos. I'm just going locals way less, gonna see how my OTS Championship goes this weekend to see if I'm gonna bother continuing.
as someone who can afford all the new hand traps, I still think this format is awful. It feels awful just losing to the mulcharmys, Dimension shifter, or other lingering effect hand traps. Even if you're playing them too.
The truth is that deck diversity is only part of a "good" format. You can have a tight format with nuanced match-ups, but you do run into the situation where not everyone wants to have so few options for deck building. Conversely, a format like POTE or ones before it (back when people weren't constantly calling a deck tier 0) can also be completely ruined by highly generic, problematic cards like Mystic Mine, Verte or Halqifibrax depending on far back you want to go with this example. While DUNE and AGOV weren't perfect formats (TCBOO basically stole games for people playing Vanquish Soul), the format did enough right to be considered enjoyable. Its easily my favorite period of the game since I started in 2021. And while I still have my gripes with the current format, its certainly in a much better place than it was during Yubel and ESPECIALLY Fiendsmith Snake-Eye format. Like, Exodia is an affordable rogue deck at the moment. I can't really shit on that.
Also, this bugged the shit out of me: >community: formats too expensive >MBT: go on DB or YGO Omega, the game is technically free! >Stevie: free emulators do not provide the same competitive environment! Bruh, the complaint was about price and feeling like they can't play paper Yugioh. Neither of you really addressed that. If you want to do paper play on a """budget""" for locals or whatever, go find an affordable rogue deck. Exodia and Centur-Ion are both serviceable decks that play well under Fuwalos. I've been actually labbing Exodia for an upcoming casual tournament (it has some pretty weird archetypal restrictions I have to adhere to since we were assigned archetypes based on anime characters and I landed on Yami), and I'm slowly realizing just how much this deck can actually do. Like, if you only include the Exodia pieces, Millennium Ankh, Heart of the Blue-Eyes and Bingo Machine, you can fit in a lot of other non engine and operate it like a grindy OTK deck that keeps close to its chest and waits for the right opportunity to murder its opponent. There's a lot of untapped potential with this deck and I may experiment with it more after this small tourney i'm doing.
I’ll be honest. Haven’t really been paying attention to any formats as of late because the current sets and how they’re built are so ass. Because of that, I don’t have a confident enough strategy to even attempt to go to a YCS or tournament. I just don’t see a point in playing right now with how sets are currently structured.
Ive kinda fallen off from playing yuguioh after getting into college, mainly cause the only reason i played was cause my friends played it and i like the shop. Now in college, i like yhe game more, and want to play it more, but cant without it being a financial and time burden just to go 0-5 to fuwaloss
People are literally never gonna be happy. Right before tempi came out, the whole "community"was saying, how going first is not fair? It's not fair.You can't win if you don't go first oh my god, the game's unhealthy, the game's unhealthy.They make a tempi deck. Oh my God, it's so unhealthy. It's so unhealthy, that's not fair. Why would kanami do this? It's like, maybe economi, shouldn't listen to the community because they don't know what the f*** they're talking about almost all the time.
If Konami cared about their players they’d make those cards affordable. The staples are staples and the archetype of the deck should be ones that should be ridiculously high. Allowing players access to a card like Mulcharmy more easily, would allow players flexibility to run different decks. But when the staples AND the good archetypes are both super expensive, it will discourage new players or players that honestly can’t continue to pour money like that to keep up with the new meta.
I agree however. But they still need to make a profit. The tcg isn’t as wide spread as it is in the ocg regions. Over there, cards can be affordable because so many more people are buying.
I’m unfortunately in the camp of having to get Fuwalos. That and Impulse have gotten to the point where my deck that can normally play through 1-2 interruption now cannot play through 2-3 sometimes 4 interrutipns and I’m gonna have to get at least a playset to play and have crossout targets
Actually watching the video, It's about the price, not the number of decks, and it's always been price. The community didn't really care that snake eyes was tier 0, they cared more that the deck was $1,000. ROTA complaints are sounding alot like AGOV complaints.
yugioh has been unfun for like 2 years. When spright and tear came out and spright wasn't close to the best deck and they nuked it anyways and left tear unchecked it was all downhill. Only decks with unfun interactions with endless resources. ROTA now is a continuous spell that searches every turn that can also pop and draw 1, versus the cyberse ROTA that requires a discard. Shit is wild how they design cards so that it kills the old ones. Now all of the decks survive because they operate on a mechanic that has no real interactability other than some niche handcard interactions or even more niche floodgates.
According to the community, who are not "pro-players", the best formats were DUNE and AGOV. I personally don't love formats where are too many decks. I have really enjoyed the last 6 months. And ROTA format has been pretty good so far. I know its bad for someone to say they like yugioh in 2024.
So i like your vids, but honestly the tech job comment was really not it. I'm myself a Software Engineer, AI is not going to replace me in 6 months. And on top of that, every single person is using software daily, everywhere and when they can. You really think it is an overpaid job? People are just glued to their screens nowadays, doesn't matter what work field or their hobby you can make software for everything.
If you play yugioh competively i dont feel bad for you. Dont like the format? Dont spend your money on it. Vote with you dollar and let konami know your not going to put up with the price gouging.
1:10 to 1:50 shows 3 different graphs they all look exactly the same lmfao This meta is ass to me because if you want to play it its like 600-800 dollars in new bull shit staple cards that cost a total of 30 dollars for a play set of all of them in the OCG. Feels like a giant pre-release event where some people are lucky and have the new meta cards and most people aren't so they are waiting for fall 2025 when they get reprinted enough to be affordable.
Yes more devks os more fun. I fucking hate tier 0 or tiers with only 3 viable decks and rogue is all trash. I want to play one of the new decks konami releases. They release like 30 new decks a year. Why cant the deck I liked by one of the best 3? Its simply not always possible and I want to play it. Like shit I like the shit decks sometimes because I like the art play style or PRICE POINT.
