I actually don't find you guys talking over each other distracting at all, I find it funny as hell, I enjoy the show. I may not always comment, but here listening along with thousands more like me.
You CERTAINLY do not talk too fast, guys! It's literally a normal conversational rate? I'm glad it's not one that I have to speed up to get through! Keep up the good work!
2:20 False. The only reason they bringing back 790 platform is that with KTM 790 engine you can LEGALY RESTRICT it to A2 license (35kw) in Europe and most parts of the world. It is very important for people who were buying bike with the intention to get a full A license later on and then they don't need to change their bikes. 890 engines were too powerful to legaly restrict it to A2 license.
1:43:33 Adam, if you can, don't sell that H2. Let the Revzilla team restore it for content. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying many of us would love to see a historical bike like this, alone with all your memories brought to life. It would make for great content, especially more so If you and your dad's history were evolved.
Hi guys, Fabi from Vienna here! I can confirm the insurance topic of owning multiple bikes that Simon mentioned. Very nice that this is so easy to do in Austria :) Just wanted to leave that here, big fan of the show guys 🎉
I noticed that covering the front brake with a finger or two also helps index the throttle, especially when I'm standing. It gives my throttle hand a non-rotating tactile reference point. Really tames unintentional throttle movements.
Just gotta say that between me sending the email and this podcast: Got a couple of quotes from Racetech and others, got into an accident with the FZ6, bought a 2009 R6r, found out that it was the perfect bike for the type of use that I have for it (weekends and lots of track), and 6 months later I got my R6 stolen. Looking into getting a ZX6R or a Daytona next. With the R6, at 6'1" and 230lbsm I looked like a gorilla in a mini-bike, so I've been told that the Kawi and the Triumph are a bit longer... The "downsizing in power" alternative would be an R7 too... Dunno, much thinking to be done
Great episode, perfect way to finish. I don't know the engine sounds, but do enjoy your guessing. Most of the time, I agree with we have the best hobby.
One thing that I dislike about the camera rear view mirrors, and what might help them feel disorienting, is how close the focal distance is when using them. When looking out the car and on the road, your eyes are focused at a distance quite beyond the location of the mirror. With a mirror, the focal distance will be similar in that you will be looking to the mirror, but then from the mirror, out the back of the car and to the road. Whereas with the camera, you’re focusing on the screen which is relatively close to you. This causes your eyes to change focus much more dramatically in order to view the screen than would a normal mirror. There are many benefits to camera systems, but this is one negative that I find quite intrusive. But perhaps with time one would become more accustomed to it. The gauge clusters are all quite close to us after all.
China makes a LOT of bikes (generally small moped and small displacement bikes) so I don't have a problem with Chinese bikes in general. However - I'd not buy Chinese or Indian made versions of Euro-brand bikes - not because they can't be good or even that I'd not want to buy one - but rather because I'm actually paying for a European bike (a premium since they're expensive relative to other regions) and I want a European bike. So yea - I'd buy a Royal Enfield but not a F850... if BMW wants to price their bikes in line with other Indian manufactured bike I might reconsider... but they don't do they? Makes me wonder if most objections to Chinese or Indian made Euro Brand bikes is reliability based or more based on the Euro pricing?
Camera vs mirrors: With cameras you lose the spatial awareness that comes with practiced use of mirrors on any vehicle. I personally prefer that spatial awareness vs the inevitable image and distance-relation distortion that always comes with using anything other than your eye.
So I ended up going into the octane page and Tagged all the Dan’s to see which one submitted the bike and we had a good laugh about your guys guesses lol
Regarding highway vs city safety - I think there are different risks at play. Highway is higher speed, but generally less opportunities for a collision and everyone is moving in the same direction and at relatively similar speeds. So one of the biggest dangers on the highway is falling and sliding at speed. For that, motorcycle gear can offer good protection. In the city, speeds are much lower but the opportunities for a collision are much higher. And people are moving in all different directions and different speeds. So the biggest danger is hitting a car that pulls in front of you, where the harm comes from the sudden impact more than the slide on the pavement. Moto pants and jacket won’t do much if you hit the side of a truck at 40 mph, but a helmet could save your life. So, I think that being more relaxed about wearing full gear (but always wearing a helmet) for city riding makes sense, even though highway riding is probably safer than city riding.
Spot on. Even if you do get in an accident on the expressway, it's likely to be a merge issue or similar, and if you fall, it's in the same direction as other traffic, so you're not going to have serious trauma from a vehicle impact (other than hitting the back of stopped traffic or someone hitting you in stopped traffic (lobby for filtering people)) mainly concerned with sliding on the asphalt which you can guard against with gear. I'll take destroyed gear and some road rash and pulled muscles over compound fractures, crushed pelvis and fractured spines any day.
I avoid cities when I ride... I definitely feel less safe riding in city traffic vs. highways with lighter traffic (even though speeds are typically higher). I guess I personally feel safer at 65-75 on a country road vs. 40-65 in stop and go urban traffic.
Tire inflation… I’m listening to the listeners comments. Spurgeon just said let air out of your tires for adventure, type/off-road riding… Also having a day at the track do you let air out of your tires for a better grip and to heat up quicker. At what point do you run at recommended tire pressure, by recommended I mean what’s on the tire? The next guy to comment was.. she’s wondering if he should change bikes to something that looks nicer is more comfortable and has more or less storage space, when Zack finished reading the comment, Spurgeon jumped right in and said that’s easy just get a KTM it does everything, looks great. You can haul your stuff good performance on road off-road blah blah blah. Spurgeon if you’re so in love with your KTM… Empty your garage of all your other bikes. Love what you guys are doing. Right now I’m riding my bicycle on an indoor trainer while I listen and watch you on RU-vid
everyone should care where the things they buy are manufactured, vote with your dollar, don't buy goods made in nations where the freedoms and rights you enjoy are not available to those making those products.
Thanks for posting. Well, if you are suggesting the P-Strom, might as well and go the extra step and call it the P-Strong. :) It might be a positive incentive for the older gentlemen suffering from prostate issues. ; ) Regarding the issues of motorcycle accidents, I remember reading an article several years ago stating a rider is more likely to have an accident in surface streets, but more likely to have a serious accident in the freeways.
The thing with pinky and ring finger on break and thumb and index on throttle is how I was taught when first tried dirt bikes and it felt pretty natural. Plus its very similar to how you ride a quad that has throttle lever under your thumb and you naturally break with pinky and ring fingers.
My personal opinion is that KTM lowered the displacement of the base 890 to fit it into the broader 650-800 class created by the new Hornet/Transalp and GSX 8S/V-Strom offerings. In the case of the US spec'd Duke 790 you still get the same WP suspension, Spanish brakes, motor specifications and output claims and a retail price around $2,000 less than the previous base 890. Quality of CFMoto's other newly released bikes seems pretty good and no CFMoto typical weight penalty according to KTM's claims so sound pretty good to me.
One caveat about the two finger vs four finger braking/covering is making sure that your brake lever can be squeezed without hitting your fingers for maximum braking. Personally, I switch from four to two fingers depending on the speed that I'm going.
One of the things I like most about HS/LS is that it's very conversational. Its like hanging out with friends talking about motorcycles and motorcycling and friends talk over each other all the time. Don't change a thing! HS/LS uniting V-Strom lovers the world over. I would think you would be more likely to have an accident in an urban area but more likely to have a fatality on the highway. I also believe it has a lot to do with the rider and if the fiancé in question is an alert and responsible rider that will greatly reduce the risk no matter where they are riding. To me the helmet law is akin to the seat belt law, it shouldn't have had to be made into a law but it did and eventually we all accepted it. A rear mounted camera on the bike that shows on the TFT or HUD in the helmet would be perfect. The problem with mounting the camera on the helmet is that it will turn with your head. "So if you've a date in Constantinople she'll be waiting in Istanbul!" Spurge complains about men to Nicole then mansplains tire making to her, NICE! lol! I am really starting to wonder if Spurge has stock in KTM. Perhaps Adam could find a motorcycle or automobile museum that would like to have it on display. That would allow him to keep ownership but not have to have it on hand and also allow enthusiasts to enjoy a piece of history. Sounds like a cruiser but I think not a Harley. Victory Octane maybe? Oh SNAP finally got one right! Still waiting for the East Coast Highside Lowside Live show and the Wellmont in Montclair N.J. is a perfect venue for it! Good show as always, see you in 2!
This weeks engine guessing game made me think of my own motorcycle. I ride a 2008 Aprilia Dorsoduro 750 and the sounds just the same. I thought for sure I know it, but like you guys I’m batting 000
In this episode Zack and Spurge discuss several technical riding questions. Spurge mentioned going to Yamaha Champ school where he offered information from the course. Viewers that are looking for a more technical understanding of riding can take the online Yamaha Champ U course where they discuss many of the core concepts of their in person courses. Would recommend it to anyone.
Josh, just plan your repairs correctly and do them in the Autozone parking lot (not a joke...done it many times). Even better, make friends with motorcyclists in the area...someone will happily help out for six pack.
Haha nice. Insurance is so weird. Back in the day I got married, added a driver and another car, and my rates went down $20/month. (Pro-tip: Divorce brings them right back up, 😆.)
One interesting thing is that in Michigan, where we have a law that allows helmetless riding, when chatting I find that a lot of the people who ride without a helmet don't actually understand the law. The Michigan law requires you to carry an extra $40,000 in health insurance for each individual person who will ride helmetless on your bike. If you get in an accident and the police report indicates you were riding helmetless and the insurance company notices that, they can completely deny you coverage for the damage to your bike because you were not carrying legally required insurance, and your health insurance may add $40,000 to your deductible since that amount should have been covered by the legally required additional insurance. I don't think I have yet found a single helmetless rider that knew that and was carrying the required insurance. I guess lucky for them they're all HD club riders who only go in a straight line to the next bar or coffee shop as a group on weekends, so they tend to not get in a lot of accidents.
Agree. Myself, I hope the Svart- and Vitpilen 701 will make a return. They probably will eventually, but then with the larger parallel twin engines. The 701 engine is still in the lineup for 2023, in the Supermoto for example, so it's sad they didn't continue with the Pilen 701. Speaking of Qvarnas, will we ever see them on Daily Rider? Please? :)
@@C64SX I hope the 701 makes a comeback it's such a cool looking bike. I've looked at a few used ones but really not trying to fly to CA and ride it back
@@SitKid721 I really hope you'll find one closer to you eventually :) I found a used one at my local Husqvarna dealer just before Christmas 2021. Around 900 miles on the clock, condition like new. Since new bikes were sold out, I figured this was the best chance I'd get to own an almost new Svartpilen 701 :) Such a beautiful bike, and very fun to ride. It's a keeper!
@@C64SX nice!! I told my local KTM dealer here in Austin to keep a lookout for one for me and he said he would so we will see. It really is such a nice looking bike I get people asking about my 401 all the time most people think it's a custom job and are always surprised when I tell him it's a Husqvarna
@@SitKid721 Would love to have the 400 as well. I had the 125 version before I got the 701, and it was a lovely but underpowered bike. Since the 125 and the 400 share most components, I can very well imagine what a great package it must be with the 400 engine :)
Spurgen, spurge… Mr. spurge! Again, listening to the listener comments, high side, low side, RU-vid episode. The comment was from some guy talking about the helmet law, and he stated that Spurgeon was anti-law, which Spurgeon took offence to. I think it was Zach, who said Spurgeon is for helmets, but not for the helmet law. My question to Mr. Spurgen/spurge is if you’re going down the interstate and you’ve got a full tank in your whatever bike you’re in you can go 300 km before you have to pull into the next gas station, fill up and do another 300 km, it’s beautiful it’s sunny. It’s warm. You’re on the way to Sturgis. Let’s say you’re riding the Harley geezer glide of your choice. Are you wearing a helmet? Are you exceeding the speed limit? After you filled up your motorcycle which you truly love in spite of the pain in your tailbone and you have to go against a right turn only sign to go back to the freeway do you turn left? In asking if you were a law-abiding person, I’m not asking if you rob banks or murder people or steal things.
The BMW f series motorcycle are assembled in Germany. The engine is assembled in china by Loncin. The previous engine in the f series BMW weren’t assembled in Germany either. They were assembled in Austria by Rotax. Why is that people didn’t have a problem with none German built motors in the previous generation f series motorcycle but are now upset with none German built motors because they are built in China? Does it have something to do with the motors being built by non europeans? Does it have something to do with the people assembling it being Chinese? Also what does the characteristics of the engine have to do with where it is assembled? The engine was designed by BMW. I also heard a lot of moto journalists saying the rotax engine in the previous f series BMWs were boring and the new engines have a lot better performance and character. Maybe Zack should describe what makes the previous bmw f series motors better than the current ones. Maybe even describe why other parallel twin motors are better. That I think would be a lot more interesting conversation…no?
I think the MSF tends to train riders using a "least probability of fubar" policy. So they teach "brake than turn then accelerate out" rather than trail brake because brake then turn doesn't ask riders to manage multiple simultaneous tasks (throttle, brake, turn-in) at the same time. SO when someone is learning how to handle the throttle they really shouldn't be trying to tackle braking simultaneously (because they probably need to learn about that too). They also don't teach covering the brake to avoid the whole "cover brake while maintaining consistent throttle input" potential issue. So that brings up the question... how does one progress from "Noob" to "Rossi" in a smooth progression of skills building, you don't go straight to drifting the rear into turn one from barely balancing getting it moving without stalling. Is there a series of "ride like this and learn... then add this... then change this... then... then... then..." steps that could be identified.
In terms camera vs. mirror: While I get the idea of cameras supporting mirrors in cars for backing up, hitching and surround view, I am not a fan of replacing mirrors, because they lack the 3d view mirror gives you. That makes recognizing speeds and distances a lot harder.
Greetings from Ireland... To Spurge's Dad ! He and I both know why the V STROM 650 is a glaring omission from 'Daily Rider' ... IE : It's unbeatable. As for KTM's made in China... How bad could it be ? mmm.😉 Dad's rock
interesting hybrid or alternative we could do for helmet laws: make it so if you dont wear a helmet, insurance companies dont have to pay anything and dont have to cover you at all. Life insurance and vehicle insurance, both. Maybe even throw in medical insurance as well. Then, without passing a helmet law, people will understand how wise it is to wear a helmet.
UK: our stats show that Highways are safer than Urban (less accidents). Gonzales- make that FZ6, yours. Ah, the old tire scrubbing\ coating question... long story short, MODERN tires are slippy when new purely because they are super smooth out the mould- scrubbing them in is literally roughing up the surface (not cleaning off a coating that isn't there any more).
I found myself hemming and hawing about getting a "practical bike" versus a "fun bike". But then I thought about it all in context: For most of us (not all, but most) in the USA, our motorcycles live alongside a car of some sort. All bikes are impractical relative to a car. Meanwhile, nearly all bikes are more fun to ride than driving most (not all, but most) cars. So the specturm doesn't really range from "practical" to "fun" but rather "fairly impractical but fun" to "completely impractical and more fun." The key to me was realizing that if the "fun bike" is, let's say 20% more fun than the "practical" bike, I only need to ride the practical bike 20% more to balance that out. If I only ride the fun bike on Saturday for 2 hours, but I can commute or pick up groceries once a week extra on the practical bike, that tips the scale to the practical (but still fun) bike. Just my 0.02
Dan don’t listen to these young whipper snaps they don’t know what they are talking about!! Has a larger rider myself I find that stock mirrors just don’t get around my shoulders and arms and having to fold them in just to look back. Jay Leno has a bike with a camera rear view display, and it’s a jet bike Y2K. I think it would be an awesome add on to your bike with stock mirrors. Like I said these guys don’t know what they are talking about. ONE OF THEM won’t even try out a TURBO bike!
As someone who rides, my biggest fear is being forced down from either being side swiped or T-boned and having a foot injury.. My career field would not allow me to work until I'm essentially completely healed..And that can easily be six months or more. I'm tempted to go full race boot at $500 for max protection, but I can't help to feel weird going that route because I ride a 22' Indian Scout Rogue.. Any suggestions would be great!
arnt all motorized vehicles require a license/registration? I know in NJ we had cops chased us around as kids on our motorized scooters which had like 0.1hp engines. Seems like people dont realize this. Also many trails i have been on specifically prohibit any motorized vehicles what ever you want to call them. People are just a-holes. Also I dont know why you would want to replace a 2010 versys 650.
As an owner of a BMW R1250R who was given a F900XR as a service loaner, I absolutely agree that the 900 engine feels tinny and underwhelming and lacks the trademark BMW character. No idea if that can be ascribed to country origin of production or not, but it’s a notable difference.
I just can't afford KTM where I live! I can get a 390 Adventure, or save a little (not much to be fair, like $140) and get a V-strom 650 Just to give an idea on how the prices match up!
i have a comment: i dont know if this is something you would be willing to tackle, but here goes. i need recommendations for mad scientist motorcycle content to subscribe to. do you know of any? heres some context: i have a 1986 honda shadow 1100, that i accidentally parked under a SUV. im rebuilding it, but its oh so slow. the reason for that, is because im converting it... to a fuel injected, meth injected, computer controlled turbo charged around-towner. no one does this around me, so i dont have any peers to bounce ides off of, and gain motivation from, so ill go out and weld a little aluminum here, calculate some volumetric efficiency there. very slow. its been over a year, and im less than half way there. who does this? maybe i can subscribe to a channel, or join a forum, or something.
I also in circle my thumb and first finger and use metal finger on on my levers. It’s just what I got used to, perhaps it’s because I ride one of those darn cruisers!
This is a comment about the helmet laws even if it doesn’t sound like it… In France all powered two wheel riders have to wear approved motorcycle gloves. This removes the shall I shan’t I choice. The reason this law came to pass, a law that many British riders think is stupid, because paramedics asked for it. They felt that as a group they were wasting far too much time treating moped and scooter riders who rode without gloves. In general most motorcyclists in Europe wouldn’t consider riding without suitable gear.
The issue I'm facing with tiered licenses is that I'm old enough to get the full license however I cannot use the bike I intend to purchase as my first bike (a 400cc) on my road exam because it is deemed "underpowered". So now I have to find out if I can use a loaned bike from a friend or I'll have to pay to use a learner bike from the bike schools around here. I intend to get a bigger bike once I have had this one for five or so years. A bit annoying.
Bmw with the 750/850 got so much flack because it is made in china. I had the 750 and the engine is really. No problem what’s so ever. If the quality standards are the same no matter where they are made
You could argue that more accidents happen in urban areas because that’s where the people are! Just like how 90% of all shark attacks happen in shallow water. I feel you would need to compare % of crashes that are fatal in one area vs the other. I imagine urban will still be the less safe, due to the likelihood of multi car accidents which are far worse for bikers, but it would be a better comparison I think
As soon as spurge mentioned the indian I’m like that starter sounds like my octane, and then as soon as the 4000 built dropped I’m like that’s 1000% an Octane!
With regard to accidents, the urban environment definitely seems to be more dangerous than highway. I've had many more close calls with cars and dumb pedestrians/cyclists in the city than on the highway.
I enjoy the banter, just because some people take it seriously doesn't mean you should tone it down! Now that is another slippery slope 😉 Thanks for the content guys.
They do TALK about trail braking in the MSF Advanced Rider Course. It's a good course but really not terribly advanced. Since my state underwrites MSF classes I only have to pay $50 for it so I plan to take the ARC every spring just to have some range time with a coach.
@@michaelmurdock4607 Yes they offer New Rider where they provide the bike (usually like Honda 250s), Returning Rider where you supply the bike (used frequently recently by MI riders who have been riding illegally (without CY endorsement on their license)) and ARC Advanced Rider Course also where you bring your own bike. All are $50. Last year at least Total Control was running classes a couple of hours from my house, I'm probably going to go to that also this year if they offer it again.
In Belgium you can ride a normal electric bicycle without a plate but when it can go around 30mph u need to put a plate on it because it can go the same speed 50cc scooters go which you can get at 16 and need a license for
problem with reverse camera "mirrors" is that the possible failure point is much more likely and whatnot for you to have no way to see behind you at all.
In Britain the statistics show that motorways are the safest roads in the country. The huge difference is that all the traffic is travelling in the same direction.
Interesting topics, at 50:00 in... Never realized I did that naturally myself until listening to this and it strikes me as something that forms from riding 3-wheelers(ATC's) at a young age with the push-button throttle then moving to dirtbikes and adapting, maybe? Hmm... Also, 53:00 in... Just turn yadamn head?! We have a SUV with back-up cams that are still useless while towing and I ALWAYS use the physical mirrors, can't stand all the mirror-less camera crap.
So, I'm supposed to spin my head around 180 to be able to check if the car behind me is slowing in traffic and what the hell does your SUV towing have to do with rearward visibility on a motorcycle?
@@RollinwithRoland That's wonderful BUT I'm not you and I never suggested it be standard equipment. It's beyond comical that you felt the need to tell me how to look over my shoulder though. Thanks for that insight. 😂
@@FXSTB YOU'RE the one that replied to MY comment... It's beyond comical that someone NEEDS to tell you to look over your shoulder if you have an issue with view from your mirror, or needing someone HOW to tell you to look over your shoulder 180 degrees while on a bike...
@@RollinwithRoland That's because YOU had to be a typical TROLL with the "turn yodamn head" comment. Don't want to be called out for being a dick? Don't be a dick. You don't want it? Fine. No one said you should. I didn't comment because we disagree.
Your speaking speed is fine. I actually still speed you guys up to 1.25. Lots of podcasts I do 1.5 or even 1.75, so I guess maybe you're faster than normal but not "too fast"
It was controversial within H-D to open assembly in York, PA, but using Italian or Austrian engines for some bikes was okay. BMW and Rotax have used established Taiwanese engine company. The Detroit / Windsor thing may go away with electric.
Regarding the Suzuki V-Strom; shouldn't they call the new (800cc vertical twin) adventure bike the "I-Strom"? Following automotive convention, V is used to designate engines with cylinders splayed at some angle (and pairs of pistons sharing a single crank-throw & two cylinder head castings), and I is used for inline engines with each cylinder having it's own crank-throw (and a common head casting for all cylinders). Thus I-2 is a parallel twin with a 2 throw crankshaft and a single cylinder head casting, and a V-twin has a single-throw crankshaft and two cylinder head castings. And before some wise-ass points anomalies to these rules... the Volkswagen "narrow angle" V-6 is an exception (however, I think of that engine as an I-6 with offset bores). Another exception is the old Honda Trans-Alp (and Ascot & Hawk & Deauville/ NT700V) with offset crank pins giving the same perfect primary balance of a 90 degree V-twin, but with a narrower V-angle.
On regards to mirrors - I remember from my trainings a quote about adjusting what you see in the mirrors: "it is not so important what is behind you, much more important is what is just next to you". The meaning was to adjust them so you can see a car that might be just overtaking you, but you would not see it in the mirror if those set to see what is behind you. And that sounded reasonable. Anyway, I use those large doubletake mirrors and still trying to set them so I can still see behind me, but I always check carefully for the blind spot in the mirrors for those cars close to me on the sides.
I dont mind the motors or even the bikes being built in like india or China. I mean ktm been making engines in china for a while and India has proved they can make bikes with both the duke series and the royal enfields. I mean both countries do have far more bikes on the streets in their countries than we do in the US. I think they figured it out
For the guy living in an apartment, he can rent a storage unit to do the work on a month to month basis. For the guy about the old Kawaski sidecar rig, I say keep it and use it for parades and shows.
I really don't understand the argument to NOT wear a helmet.... is the 'wind in your hair' feeling really worth all the risk? All the gear...all the time.
Hey, I got an idea! You could have a guy who flexes like he's all "anti law" and then he starts self-lubricating every time he hears about a new law! Oh, wait. You've got the Spurg for that.
Watch Harry's garage latest you tube video.He talks about the problems manufacturers are have meeting government emission limits from manufacturing vehicles especially in Germany.
